Why does the market constantly underestimate Spurs?

I concur with yr analysis CCM.

CCM, thought we'd be in single figures for the league after last night's romp but as you say astonished to see 12s. every chance we could say win 7 of the first 8 games now. pretty friendly fixtures coming up apart from your lot

I don't think Chelsea are that good tbh. Think they have been fortunate to get 3 wins, defensively they look very suspect. Kepa doesn't look great either so far, but it's still very early days on him.

I'll start by saying I don't see us as title challengers at the moment and for now top 4 is the main priority but you don't think we're that good? Our pre season was about as shambolic as you could get with the former manager taking the first 3 or 4 days of training. This after the original date for players to come back had to be put back a week due to all the uncertainty behind the scenes. Within a week of training under Sarri we were flying off to Australia for one poxy game thus eating into more of the preparation time. Some of our most important players were involved until the final weekend of the World Cup meaning they came back 5 days before the start of the PL season. We have a new manager imposing a completely new style on the team. The potential for a total shambles in the first month or so was huge. Instead, you already have a side who went close to breaking the PL record for possession against a side who, after seeing us in 2 games, decided they had to resort to the tactics they used against Man City last season.

We're light years ahead of where I expected us to be at this stage. One of the biggest concerns before the season started was the Thursday/Sunday grind in the Europa League. There's an argument right now though that we could play an alternative 11 in the Europa League for most of the group games given that, in the first 3 games, the likes of Fabregas and Cahill haven't even been on the bench. There's still the possibility of it changing in the next couple of days but for now we have a much larger pool of players available to us than has been the case for 2 or 3 years.

The season hasn't really started yet. The top clubs have had the inconvenience of the World Cup to deal with this year but things get trickier for them when European commitments kick in. Tottenham will take a lot of confidence from that win last night but their main concern is how they'd cope if they lost players like Kane or Eriksen for a prolonged spell. Liverpool are stronger this season obviously and could go close with the front 3 they have and the added depth in the squad. United are in big trouble already and City are still the team to beat.

simple answr is spuds win fick all and are serial losers.. might win the odd game in style but ar underachievers big time... same agian this year .. be surprised if they ewin anything , lots of examleasof thios if you look at their record. cutural and historical losers

Tough read that, dragon.
Swollen thumb?  Or been on the sauce?

No hard feelings.
Just proof read it next time.

how many times do we have to go over the same old ground ?

there was never any chance of catching leicester. spurs only won 6 of the first 16 games. by the time we were in with a chance it was too late and leicester (or spurs for that matter) hardly made a mistake in the run in until it was over. would have needed to win something like 17 out of 19 games 2nd half of season to catch them. absolutely impossible

must be 100/1 at least the 3 consecutive top 3 finishes and as sofaking getting 77 points playing no proper home games was a remarkable effort last season

no reason why spurs can't get somewhere towards 90 points this if things go well and important players stay fir (got 86 points 2 years ago). the likes of kane, eriksen and dele are not even at their peak yet

all those saying spurs can't win this and can't win that have to be right every season. spurs only have to get it right once

Sounding a bit like an AFC who were happy with top 4 spots, at that point we prob had a negative spend too, only last few season Wenger started spending real big money on so called superstars but that didn't work and we are where we are now. It is obv getting tougher these days with some teams not only in Prem but Europe seemingly having unlimited funds to spend, Pool and Spurs do have great Managers in place, Chelsea,s could prove to also cut the mustard here in time, jury will be out for now ref the AFC guy and Jose, who knows what he,s gonna do, prob end up walking.

Decent start for Spurs but a settling in period is around the corner at the new stadium, might take a little time to adjust to that as well, do agree about the price being value as mentioned though, funny how big Utd and AFC after 3 games, just goes to show the sign of the times right now

so why have they not wony anything in recent years . the answee to the ops question is that the market doesnt unerestimate spurs they usually get it right  and the reason is they dont win anything- period

cos they've been competing with 5 clubs with more money and 2 or 3 them vastly more money. it's extremely difficult. sure might have won a cup by now lost a final when massive underdogs in poch's first season and a couple of other semi finals

the club is already light years better than 4 years ago. pochettino inherited an absolute shambles of a team really. season before he took over we conceded something like 27 goals in the 8 games against the top 4 teams. an absolute disgrace

if you keep knocking on the door chances are you'll burst through eventually. liverpool's trophy cabinet not exactly groaning with the weight of silverware in recent seasons either

i take your point ccm but the bookies are not fools and they dont often get their prices wrong, they would be out of business if they did.
i still believe that they are priced up on expectaion and the expectation with spurs is that withot adding to the squiad they will be still way behinfd city and now behind a vastly improving Liverpool ( Champs league finalist and strengthened in key areas) its not rocket science

so why do you think the bookies are pricing spurs at such a large differntial between the top two in the betting?

liverpool are nearly always artificially short in any market. as for spurs people fall for the hype of no signings being important - we haven't really signed a key player for 3 seasons now - and endless clueless pundits queueing up to repeat it when the continuity and stability of spurs is always the biggest thing going for us

market pretty meaningless anyway. 2 of the last 3 seasons it's been spectacularly wrong at this stage of the season. leicester won from nowhere and chelsea were 30+ after a handful of games

as for the betting i think Liverpool are on a slightly more upward curve than Spurs ..there does seem to be a solid  yearly improvement  ...also they reached the CL semi finals this year

The title will be won or lost when City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs play each other.
Can't see that any of them have played a game that they were expected to lose yet, personally.
How far they each go in Europe - particularly Chelsea on a Thursday followed by the Sunday 1PM graveyard slot every week - could also be a key factor.

And the idea of squad players being interchangeable doesn't wash either. Look at City's bench compared to the others. Mahrez, Sterling, Sane, Jesus, normally 3 of those are going to be on it for starters, and that's with their best player currently missing. No way can Liverpool and Spurs boast options like that.

Barcelona's squad players are just as bad. None of them would get in the Arsenal team imo. Indeed they have taken players such as Song,Hleb and Vermaelen off Arsenal, who were squad players for Arsenal. Barca have just had a core of Messi and a few other crucial players who were very rarely injured.


Bernard Silva was a pretty regular starter anyway wasn't he

Debruyne is the best in his position in the world and cannot be replaced so there will be a drop off for City.