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By:
penzance
When: 06 May 24 19:11
Moyes picked up 1Pt more from the same amount of games more
or less.Performed wonders.
By:
sparrow
When: 06 May 24 19:50
Yes he did better than almost all of them in the past 20 years or more.
By:
sparrow
When: 06 May 24 19:54
His league finishes were even better than Ron Greenwood if you remember him.
By:
sparrow
When: 06 May 24 19:58
Even now, after a dreadful run post-Christmas, where heavy defeats by Arsenal, Crystal Palace and Chelsea have contributed to a joint-record highest goals conceded (70) in a Premier League season for the Hammers, they are still on track to secure a top-10 finish.

It would be Moyes' third in four and a half seasons. No West Ham manager has achieved that since Harry Redknapp over two decades ago.
By:
sparrow
When: 06 May 24 20:07
In my view the blame lies squarely on whoever decided not to bring in players in the last two January transfer windows when we were struggling with a small squad and European competitions. The present board have never had any experience before of European competition involvement and possibly that was a factor here.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 06 May 24 21:39
Or it just Moyes that decided he had enough
In them two windows
Didn’t want big squad , and who got Phillips in ?
By:
sparrow
When: 07 May 24 08:29
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/06/david-moyes-leaving-west-ham-mutual-consent

West Ham are closing in on the appointment of Julen Lopetegui after confirming that David Moyes will leave his post as manager when his contract expires at the end of the season.

Lopetegui, who has been out of work since leaving Wolves last summer, has agreed a deal in principle to take over after holding multiple rounds of talks with the London Stadium club. The 57-year-old Spaniard was lined up after West Ham decided to shelve plans to hand a new deal to Moyes, who is set to depart after four and a half mostly successful years in east London.

Moyes’s future has been uncertain for much of the campaign and his chances of staying were diminished by West Ham’s poor form during the second half of the campaign. West Ham have won four matches in all competitions in 2024 and their hopes of qualifying for Europe for the fourth consecutive season were ended by their 5-0 defeat by Chelsea on Sunday.

The humiliation at Stamford Bridge has convinced the club to provide clarity around the situation. While Moyes is ending on a disappointing note, confirming his exit will give supporters a chance to give the Scot a proper send-off when West Ham host Luton on Saturday.

Overall, Moyes has done an outstanding job since returning to the London Stadium for a second spell in 2019. He led the team away from relegation trouble after replacing Manuel Pellegrini and went on to establish them in the top half of the Premier League. They finished sixth in 2021, seventh in 2022 and won the Europa Conference League in 2023, West Ham’s first major piece of silverware in 43 years.

However, complaints over the 61-year-old’s style of play have not gone away and West Ham have been considering a change for some time. Moyes’s position was under threat during last season’s relegation battle and he has had a tense relationship with Tim Steidten, who joined as technical director last summer. It emerged last week that Steidten has been asked to stay away from Moyes and the first team for the rest of the season.
In a club statement on Monday, Moyes said: “I have enjoyed four and a half brilliant years at West Ham, and the club is in a stronger position than when I returned back in 2019. When I joined West Ham for a second time, the club was one place above the relegation zone, and it has been a terrific journey to have achieved three consecutive seasons in Europe.

“After leading the club to safety, we guided the team to finishes of sixth and seventh in the Premier League, and I was delighted when we won the Europa Conference League title last June – the club’s first major trophy in 43 years. I would like to thank all the players for their support, and all the success they have achieved, over the last four and a half years.”

The West Ham joint-chairman, David Sullivan, offered “sincere thanks and gratitude” to Moyes.

Steidten has been involved in the search for a new manager. West Ham have held talks with Sporting’s Rúben Amorim and the former Bayern Munich manager, Hansi Flick. Amorim, whose contract contains a €15m buyout clause, has said that he is staying at Sporting.

Some figures at West Ham are in favour of a move for the 39-year-old Amorim, who is regarded as one of the best young coaches in Europe. But it has never felt likely that West Ham would trigger his release clause.

Lopetegui’s availability has made dealing with him easier. His contract has not been signed but, barring a late collapse in talks, the deal is expected to be confirmed soon. Lopetegui wants to build a team capable of challenging for the Champions League. But West Ham will need to invest and bolster an ageing, light squad if they are to push on this summer.

Sullivan is believed to have been won over by Lopetegui. The former Spain and Real Madrid manager won the Europa League at Sevilla in 2020 and guided Wolves away from relegation trouble after taking over midway through last season, finishing 13th. He left Wolves because of concerns over their lack of transfer activity. Lopetegui is regarded as a workaholic and a gifted coach.

The question will be whether he can work within West Ham’s structure. He was forced to leave the Spain job after agreeing to take over at Madrid on the eve of the 2018 World Cup. He then lasted 128 days at Madrid and his three years at Sevilla ended badly.
By:
penzance
When: 12 May 24 14:21
Nice to see a youngster given a game,Earthy.Scored within a minute of coming on.
Early days yet but he did seem comfortable with the the ball.Looks a decent young
prospect.Hope he gets given a fair crack at it.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 12 May 24 22:19
Would been nice to of seen more young homegrown players get some game time
This season
Glad for kid hope he grows cos looks about 15  years old
Had yesterday off
Didn’t watch second of it
Had it with this season sat in garden
Enjoy afternoon free of football racing
By:
penzance
When: 19 May 24 19:24
Hope the new bloke's a bit more attack minded.
Hardly got into City's box,nothing to play for either.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 19 May 24 22:11
Yep he’s now gone
New fella got some rebuild ahead of him that’s for sure
By:
sparrow
When: 20 May 24 10:08
Should have played 4 up front and gung ho and enjoy losing 8-2.
By:
penzance
When: 20 May 24 10:38
Might've been 8-7,you never know.
By:
sparrow
When: 20 May 24 12:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TRaVKI_hiw

West Ham 0-5 Man City - Manuel Pellegrini Full Post Match Press Conference - Premier League
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 20 May 24 14:52
What made me chuckle yesterday
Was the introduction of Alvarez 3-1 down
70th min
He’s thinking let’s keep score down
Rather than let’s go over half way line
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 22 May 24 08:16
There raft of mangers about wanting jobs
We’ve gone for Spanish Moyes well supposedly
Why ain’t it been announced yet ???
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 23 May 24 11:43
All them mangers we could go for we get
Spanish Moyes
Let’s see how he goes I’m not excited
potential better options like Amorim, Fonseca, Poch, De Zerbi, etc.
O well
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 23 May 24 11:44
The alarm bells are ringing if Cresswell and the cuckoo - Antonio are part of J Lo’s plans. ‘Mr Moon is in the building’
By:
penzance
When: 23 May 24 12:14
Give the bloke a chance.
We aint seen a game under him yet.
By:
sparrow
When: 23 May 24 13:41
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/23/julen-lopetegui-west-ham-premier-league-silence-doubters

Julen Lopetegui has chance to silence doubters in new job at West Ham

Jacob Steinberg

Former Wolves coach is tasked with improving football at club after replacing David Moyes with fans far from convinced

West Ham have been putting the succession plan in place for a while. Tim Steidten was not long into his job as the technical director when he went to David Sullivan, the co-owner, and suggested Julen Lopetegui as a potential replacement for David Moyes.

Contact was soon established, a video call with Sullivan last October giving Lopetegui an opportunity to develop a relationship with the key figure at the London Stadium. Moyes was already on borrowed time. Lopetegui was ready, unemployed and keen to work in the Premier League again. Although the job was not guaranteed to go to the Spaniard, there was a good chance that those early talks were going to result in him taking over from Moyes at the end of the season.

So it has proved. Lopetegui, whose aim is to turn West Ham into contenders for Champions League qualification, is in on a two-year deal. Rúben Amorim, the Sporting manager, said no. Hansi Flick was overlooked. A host of homegrown names were barely considered. When it came down to it, Sullivan kept veering towards Lopetegui as the right person to replace West Ham’s most successful manager of the Premier League era.

Some within the club urged Sullivan to think twice about going for the former Wolves manager. Disillusionment was also evident within the fanbase. Thirst for a change did not stop some fans from saying that the club would be better off keeping Moyes if they were not going to pay Amorim’s €15m (£13m) release clause. The theory is that Lopetegui, out of work since leaving Wolves last summer, was the cheap option. For all the 57-year-old’s qualities as a coach, some fans cannot help but feel deflated.

The concern is that West Ham went down a similar path when they ditched Moyes in 2018 and trumpeted the “high-calibre” appointment of Manuel Pellegrini. Lopetegui is the former manager of Real Madrid and Spain. He won the Europa League with Sevilla in 2020. He’s managed in the Champions League. He sounds more glamorous than Moyes, whose big problem always centred around complaints over his style of play.

However, for all that some figures are pushing Lopetegui as one of the greatest coaches around, there are people whose opinions on him are less complimentary. They will point out that Lopetegui won nothing at Porto; that he lost the Spain job after agreeing a deal with Madrid on the eve of the 2018 World Cup; that he was at Madrid for all of 138 days before being fired.

A source familiar with Sevilla notes how Lopetegui fizzled out after a strong start. There is criticism of his signings there. The team declined and had six defeats from 10 matches when Lopetegui was fired in October 2022. Internal fallouts, the source says, are common. That should make things interesting with Steidten, who fell out with Moyes, and Sullivan, who can be a supportive boss and a frustrating one.
Does that argument wash? Not when you consider that West Ham were almost relegated in Rice’s final season and have signed three midfielders since his sale. Lopetegui has to address that area and find more energy. He also requires depth and quality on the flanks and alternatives to Michail Antonio up front. Perhaps, unlike Moyes, he can be trusted to use academy players.

All being well, the football will improve. Lopetegui was forced into pragmatism at Wolves, but his preference is to play an intense 4-3-3, with full-backs pushing up and creative players told to jink inside. Mohammed Kudus, Jarrod Bowen and Lucas Paquetá – if he is still a West Ham player – will be crucial. Under Lopetegui, Sevilla’s average possession rose to more than 60%. The notion of a defensive manager is a little off. Lopetegui, a former Barcelona player, has cited Johan Cruyff as an inspiration. His win percentage in the Premier League was the highest of any Wolves manager. A 3-0 victory over Liverpool last season was evidence of Lopetegui’s tactical acumen, as was fighting back from a goal and a player down to win a crucial game against Southampton.

Perhaps the conclusion is that few managers arrive with an unblemished record. Exciting and progressive does not necessarily mean successful. After all, Moyes was once the former Manchester United, Sunderland and Real Sociedad dud. A lot of fans fumed at both of his appointments by West Ham. Moyes, the supposed definition of an ambition-free hire, ended up winning the club’s first trophy in 43 years. Lopetegui has a similar opportunity to silence the doubters.



Lopetegui will need to be patient. His decision to quit Wolves over disquiet at their transfer activity must be seen in context. Lopetegui did a fantastic job to guide Wolves out of the bottom three after his appointment in November 2022. However, the idea that he had no money is misleading. Wolves spent heavily during the January window and, although they were forced into sales because of concerns over profitability and sustainability rules, predictions that they would be dragged into another relegation battle were decisively crushed by Gary O’Neil after he was hired as Lopetegui’s replacement.

As ever, of course, the truth regarding Lopetegui probably lies somewhere in between. There is not much evidence that West Ham have hired one of the best coaches in Europe. They have, though, hired a clever, experienced coach who should be capable of finishing in the top half of the Premier League, assuming an ageing, small squad is strengthened appropriately.

West Ham, who will give Lopetegui funds, want between six and eight signings. They need to strengthen a slow, leaky defence incapable of playing a high line. A replacement for Vladimir Coufal at right-back is a must and none of the four senior centre-backs can consider themselves indispensable given that West Ham conceded 90 goals this season, a record that Moyes has put down to losing Declan Rice.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 23 May 24 16:57
Pac man being charged by fa
Could be big ban incoming
By:
sparrow
When: 23 May 24 17:20
West Ham midfielder Lucas Paqueta has been charged by the Football Association for allegedly getting booked deliberately "for the improper purpose of affecting the betting market".

The charges relate to a Premier League game against Leicester City on 12 November in 2022, plus 2023 fixtures against Aston Villa on 12 March, Leeds United on 21 May and Bournemouth on 12 August.

The 26-year-old Brazil international had been under investigation since last summer over suspicious betting patterns.

An FA statement said: "It's alleged that he [Paqueta] directly sought to influence the progress, conduct, or any other aspect of, or occurrence in these matches by intentionally seeking to receive a card from the referee for the improper purpose of affecting the betting market in order for one or more persons to profit from betting."

Paqueta, who joined West Ham from Lyon for an initial £36.5m in August 2022, said he was "extremely surprised and upset" by the charges.

"For nine months, I have co-operated with every step of their investigation and provided all the information I can. I deny all the charges in their entirety and will fight with every breath to clear my name," he added.

The charges came on the same day the Hammers confirmed the appointment of Julen Lopetegui as their new head coach following the departure of David Moyes.

A West Ham statement said: "The club will continue to stand by and support the player throughout the process."

Paqueta has until 3 June to respond to the charge of "misconduct in relation to alleged breaches of FA Rules E5 and F3" subject to any request for an extension.

The games FA charges relate to
West Ham 0-2 Leicester - 12 November 2022

Paqueta booked for a 'lunge' on Leicester midfielder Boubakary Soumare in the 60th minute.

He is booked at 1-0 and the match finishes 2-0 to Leicester.

West Ham 1-1 Aston Villa - 12 March 2023

Paqueta booked for what is described as a 'lunging challenge' on John McGinn in the 70th minute, with the score at 1-1.

West Ham 3-1 Leeds United - 21 May 2023

Paqueta is booked for pulling back Leeds winger Crysencio Summerville on the counter-attack in the 65th minute.

It happens at 1-1, with West Ham going on to win 3-1.

West Ham 1-1 Bournemouth - 12 August 2023

In the opening game of this season, Paqueta is booked for handball in the 94th minute, with the match finishing 1-1.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 03 Jun 24 20:48
Westham seem to be fround shopping in harrods
But only afford the salad bar
Same old boot sale club
Won’t pay wages
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 13 Aug 24 14:00
8 signings now
Not been bad window for us tell yar state you know who left club in
Board as backed the new process
Still got plenty dead wood in the wings that need shopping out
I’d like another centre half left back cover and  striker with pace

Our front line does look tasty
Where see how is with villa game
Not sure what to expect with it all
Looked ok up top but woeful at back stilll
At times
By:
penzance
When: 13 Aug 24 15:38
Should be a good game against the Villa.
Will be interesting to see what the starting line up will be.
Hopefully will be a bit more adventurous than Moyes.
By:
sparrow
When: 13 Aug 24 16:51
Yes the board have certainly backed the manager in this window.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 14 Aug 24 10:37
Sent our best kid out on loan
I thought Spanish Moyes was going give kids a chznce
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 17 Aug 24 22:36
Mobility lack of it
Evidence in the middle of the park
Rodriguez proper slow

Kudus on left fuvk me Moyes back in
Square pegs into round holes
Jimmy match fit he plays left ffs
Bowen right
Kudos central with pac
Only need one holding player ffs
Give German players give him service
I’ve seen him twice now
Not had touch of ball yet
By:
sofaking
When: 18 Aug 24 03:13

Aug 14, 2024 -- 10:37AM, FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK wrote:


Sent our best kid out on loan I thought Spanish Moyes was going give kids a chznce


Give him time Fatty. It's only been one game. Crazy

By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 18 Aug 24 13:45
Gets bit frustrating seeing same **** as last season
Don’t worry sofaking your see got yourself with
Ange soon yourself , well that’s what most spuds supporting fans I know think
All front no back will continue down the lane
By:
sofaking
When: 18 Aug 24 16:29
Not really sure what that means, Fattie. Anyway. have a great day. Cool
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 19 Aug 24 21:19
You know exactly what that ****g means

All front no bzck lol
By:
sofaking
When: 20 Aug 24 02:59
Bit tits but no ass?
By:
penzance
When: 21 Aug 24 08:29
1 game in,give the bloke a chance.
More than likely he'll make some changes against Palace.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 23 Aug 24 13:26
Where see
If lamppost playing at number 10 again
Than nothing been learned
Looking At Palace this not same side that
Beat up teams bzck end of  last season either
Selling the sliver
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 24 Aug 24 13:28
I'm hopeful of a home win today.
By:
penzance
When: 24 Aug 24 20:38
Suprised with the starting line up today tbh,thought
they'd be 1-2 changes.Got the 3Pts though,managers up
& running.
Citeh next!
By:
swiftynifty
When: 24 Aug 24 21:00
Scored with first shot on target, only 3 in the whole game, possession stats back down, it's Moyes Mark 2, hopefully with a twist to come.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 25 Aug 24 11:23
**** me
Have we got big Sam back
All we do houf it up it’s ugly to watch
Can’t have this fella as our manager
Bowen kudus point less in this system
Let’s hope our finish the game how where set up
Normal
Cos that first half was bad as anytime under Moyes
By:
penzance
When: 28 Aug 24 23:03
Lucky to get through tonight.
Have to play better than that against City.
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