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Same **** different season WESTHAM CHAT
Same **** different season WESTHAM CHAT
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On paper where going along well
In reality it’s dog **** football getting results Combined 50 shots on our goal arsenal Brighton game How the hell not been filled in |
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Europa Conference League is a cup competition
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Well, you knock other teams out & end up lifting a trophy.
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Don’t know about what people call cups
But that tie yesterday knocked our season for six We need 4-5 players in Left with zoo Obonna as centre half’s rank slow boats Nothing up top til well into February Moyes might have no choice play academy Ain’t sure low block be on there radar Sheffield utd can’t wait play us |
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Could be out for 8 weeks,Paqueta.Let's hope that's wide of
the mark. |
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Out the FA Cup & fair play to Bristol City who never really looked
in any real danger of getting beat once they got that early goal. Thought we were piss poor last night. |
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On evidence of that maybe
Sheffield utd game on Sunday We need to pay what pac man wants empty check book Keep the likes of him kudus Bowen at Westham next season We need this window bring in quality as we’ve seen our squad depth shocking **** Our midfield is non existent with out pac man Czech ward are piss poor if asking them take bull by horns there like teams set play from nfl Don’t offer anythink else |
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Don’t look like kudus be coming home early now
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Ghana don't win their last game, will be home early.
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There group up in the air
He’s stand out in there team By country mile didn’t look 100% either yesterday |
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What the **** happened there ?
Was that even a foul Than bowen pulled down ref didn’t even look at or var Very odd ****g dross today |
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Ref gave yellow for feet off ground tackle
What a joke he was |
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Good old VAR.Some end to the game that was.
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Kudus is coming home. Hurry back son.
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If Philips joins,who's place will he take if he get's in the side,
Soucek? |
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Million dollar question
Cos we all know who he should be replacing But does Moyes My middle 3 Mexican, Phillips , pac man That would fantastic 3 in middle Bowen kudus someone on left with pace End up being big Czech Phillips ward With pac on left Mexican on subs bench can see it now  |
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Apart from the goal thought Phillips didn't do too bad.
Got a point tx to Areola.Got to say another dour game. |
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Thought he was no where near up to speed Penzance
But surly that will come But let’s face it he wasn’t high on needed list for window And with pac man we are dross side Honestly the man irreplaceable football will do play team chalk and cheese To this whole time new low block dross Moyes dish up ****g horrendous watching this Only reason Moyes in job is cos of goal keeper each week |
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If we can pay
Philips in total 1/2 mill a week with loan Wages Than we have to offer pac man blank cheque-book Keep him at club cos where total dross without him |
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On evidence of last night
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Piss poor again
Can’t watch this anymore |
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Can’t believe we ain’t got a bench
There no one on it to impact a game We have no plan b Playing style is dross We ain’t got a striker !!!! And when the person who can save him as in pac man he be put out on the left Moyes wants new contract where what happens when he does I know loads had enough of watching stops getting over to the bowel And I’m not interested in we’ve won 3rd rate cup in Europe as excuse Got Europe 3 years running The man can’t cope with youth , can’t buy a striker they have to be converted one He can’t change things up intil 70min Now he’s got his man 1/2 mill a week He won’t be ready for another month fitness wise On two games we’ve seen so far Arsenal than Brentford Unless miracle happens pac man and Antonio are fit 3 point this year going be bit away yet |
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Phillips has been on the bench for ages.To get him fit he has to play.
Bring him on for 20 mins a game,never gonna get up to speed.On the money it's said he's on,must start playing him all the time,surely. |
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But where is the due diligence on the player? Surely they knew he was that unfit we needed him to be up and running not two months down the line
If the case why didn’t come in early in window |
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What I like to know is what the **** he been doing at city to be that
Unfit |
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Ever since David Moyes left Manchester United, or at least since it became clear that this was a case of Manchester United doing something terrible to David Moyes as opposed to the other way round, that he was essentially a bystander, I have been trying to promote a hypothetical process some (ie nobody, anywhere) are already calling (nobody has ever called it this) the Moyes Revenge Horizon.
This theoretical Moyes Curve is an attempt to map the related career trajectories of Moyes and United in that decade since. The key note in this model is a scenario where Moyes’s steady rise in desirability as a managerial good will eventually intersect with and then surpass United’s own downward progress on the Y axis as a luxury football item, an economic event known, apocalyptically, as Brailsford’s Ballbag. At that moment the poles will have been officially reversed. From a point where the United job was self-evidently Too Big For David Moyes, we will have reached a scenario where David Moyes has become, however briefly, Too Big For Manchester United, where pundits begin to say things like You have to ask, would this actually be a good move for David right now?, where Moyes is pictured coyly batting away speculation before his latest Euro Hyper-Conference Third Leg Second Final (“I’m looking no further than Gent”). |
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The Moyes Revenge Horizon was never likely to be reached, not in this human lifespan. But for a while last year you could almost catch a glimpse of what it might look like. West Ham won a trophy. United subsided into a bumper autumn harvest of player scandals and bad PR.
The recent mini-takeover bounce has put a stop to that. The lines are diverging. There are actual happy, talented, youthful footballers running around Old Trafford, like crocus buds inside the Chornobyl exclusion zone. Meanwhile Moyes is facing a more familiar point of crisis. His contract is up at the end of the season. There has been plenty of informed speculation this week over how close he might be to agreeing a new one, soundtracked, as ever, by fans and talking heads agonising over the prospect of keeping Moyes in a job he has so far performed with great skill and tangible success. This is a natural scenario for Moyes, who tends inexorably towards a state of embattlement. There is dark talk about his methods, about the need for more “expansive” football. Understandably so. Moyes offers functional rigidity. Oh great, you say. Give me seven years of that. Let me get another hit on that functional rigidity pipe. Life is hard enough the rest of the week. People also like new things. |
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On the other hand, for the neutral this feels like a wider jumping-off point, perhaps even a last twitch of some dying hand. Moyes has been on a journey these last few years, albeit one that has involved remaining static while the landscape shifts around him.
When he got the West Ham job for the first time in 2017 Liam Rosenior wrote a widely shared column in these pages complaining, with some justification, about insular skill sets, jobs for the boys, “the same faces linked to every available job”. Seven years on, football appears to have been listening. The background has shifted to such a degree that Moyes is now a genuinely rare commodity. A manager who once seemed like an avatar of the same-old same-old, basically a tracksuit, a frown and a set of inherited methods, is now an outlier and a vital note of tactical variation. |
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Moyes is basically the last of the anti-possession men, the only current manager to take an active decision to have less, not more, of the ball. West Ham are seventh bottom in Europe’s top five leagues on possession percentage this season, and the only team in that company for whom this is a deliberate choice, the only team to have translated so little of the ball into so many points, to remain unexceptional on every metric apart from clearances and goals from set pieces.
In this context it is Moyes’s team who are the exotics and the cultural antagonists now. L’Équipe’s report on the game against Brighton in August described “a clash of style that verged on cartoonish” as West Ham made 13 passes to Brighton’s 221 in the opening half-hour but still won the game. And while the football may be austere and tedious at times, for the neutral it is also a bracing point of contrast in a league where an entire half can be spent watching defence and deep midfields engaged in the footballing equivalent of competitive knitting. West Ham are seventh in the league and still in Europe despite a basic energy that goes against pretty much every dynamic in the modern game. This includes surveillance-culture refereeing with a tendency to fire off micro-penalties at the first sign of deep defence. It includes a basic disregard for self-promotion while so many other managers treat the current job as an interview for the next one, a chance to demonstrate their possession of a whizzy and ingratiating “philosophy”, a look, a style, something that can be sold to the next set of fans. |
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The current version of jobs for the boys is not an angry, damp Scotsman who loves the details of one-on-one defending. It’s easy charisma, sculpted beard, executive trainers, mercurial hand gestures. Moyes is not this. Moyes is uncooperative, prone to saying the wrong, outdated thing even when trying to say the right thing.
But then, perhaps unexpectedly, this is also a redemption story. United was a terrible time for Moyes, reduced in those final weeks to a ghost-ship captain, whirling on his touchline, eyes boggled, seeing only shapes and shadows. People don’t always come back from this kind of mega-sacking. Moyes skulked about the place for a while, a man watching things happen to himself. West Ham was a great thing for him. It has been great for West Ham too. It is easy to forget how tinny and empty the place still was when he arrived, lacking in heat, blood and grime, a state of dislocation for a club that seemed to have left an important part of its soul somewhere up the road in E6. Moyes was, in retrospect, an excellent fit to fill that empty air, a manager who, whatever his flaws, absolutely stinks of football. Whereas right now he feels like the last of something. There is also the Scottish question. When it comes to elite English management Moyes is currently the last of that 130-year line too, Brighton-born Russell Martin the only other Scot in the top two tiers. Does this matter? The Premier League has its own fresh tropes. A Portuguese nihilist. A twitchy, well-dressed Spaniard. For now it will be Moyes’s role to carry that cultural weight, to act as a living, breathing, scowling mnemonic. To this point he has been a team-builder, punchline, a bust, a redemption arc, a late-breaking trophy winner; and in this final form something that perhaps deserves to be cherished a little more, a genuine point of difference, a grappling hook to from there to here, the last of the same old faces. |
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Has your account been hacked, Fattie?
 Anyway, let's go Hammers. Shouting for you guys to do the double over the Arsenal.  |
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No that’s **** piece
From independent in todays paper Calling Moyes a exotic for his brand of football I’d have few choice words exotic be far from it |
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Buses will be parked
As we speak in front of the goal If arsenal had learned from previous Games there let us have the ball We haven’t got pac man Hit us on break open us up like tin of beans Saw Man U do it I don’t think they can just sit wait mind you |
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People don’t always come back from this kind of mega-sacking. Moyes skulked about the place for a while, a man watching things happen to himself. West Ham was a great thing for him. It has been great for West Ham too.
It is easy to forget how tinny and empty the place still was when he arrived, lacking in heat, blood and grime, a state of dislocation for a club that seemed to have left an important part of its soul somewhere up the road in E6. Moyes was, in retrospect, an excellent fit to fill that empty air, a manager who, whatever his flaws, absolutely stinks of football. Whereas right now he feels like the last of something. There is also the Scottish question. When it comes to elite English management Moyes is currently the last of that 130-year line too, Brighton-born Russell Martin the only other Scot in the top two tiers. Does this matter? The Premier League has its own fresh tropes. A Portuguese nihilist. A twitchy, well-dressed Spaniard. For now it will be Moyes’s role to carry that cultural weight, to act as a living, breathing, scowling mnemonic. To this point he has been a team-builder, punchline, a bust, a redemption arc, a late-breaking trophy winner; and in this final form something that perhaps deserves to be cherished a little more, a genuine point of difference, a grappling hook to from there to here, the last of the same old faces. |
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Some West Ham fans still missing that old relegation dogfight as this thread has demonstrated after six years of constant moaning despite a massive improvement.
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Do you enjoy watching us play football sparrow ??
Or it doesn’t matter long as it’s point or 3 no matter what ? Improvement yes on them relegation season But I can’t watch Moyes ball anymore it’s boring end up Putting dishwasher. Or hoovering Got that boring My dad don’t answer me during games any more Cos fells asleep on sofa ffs only 70 |
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Well I'm older than your dad but he should remember the 60s when we had all those great players and couldn't defend and as a result never finished higher than 8th place in the league. That was something to complain about when our big chance to challenge for the league was tossed away by a manager who was clueless when it came to defenders. Read Bobby Moore's book and it's all in there about Greenwood.
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But sparrow them old days
They never kick on or invested When sir Geoff had enough cos there was no progress from the club (stoke got him ) It broke my dads heart when he left he took him long time get back in love with Westham Wouldn’t mind if Moyes mix it up For different games But he doesn’t Plays same way no matter what past 20 years Westham have improved under Moyes Westham stats wise are doing ok But I watch Westham with my eyes Not teletext or computer stats I’m afraid They tell me wtf am I doing watching this dross When could be painting or something else for 90min |
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Do you enjoy watching Westham play sparrow ?
Ain’t got problem if yes or no Know your ok with Moyes But do you enjoy Westham still weekly? |
