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Its Liverpools season.
Its Liverpools season.
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dessie, of course you're entitled offer your opinion. i'm just tired off pundits in general lazily writing us off easily when it's pretty clear to see why we keep finishing high up the table. a top goalkeeper, top 3 central defensive pairing (alderweireld or not), one of the best playermakers in the league and the best goalscorer. it's very strong spine
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And the best right back in the EPL
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News just confirmed Alison deal has been completed.
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Not a chance in hell this year...Not imo anyway.
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It's nonsensical to expect Tottenham to finish sixth - they've finished second once and third twice in the last three seasons, they have lost nobody important from the squad from that period, and for Spurs to finish sixth both Chelsea, who have a new manager who has won the square root of naff all in his entire life and are about to lose arguably their two most important players, and Arsenal to improve past them. Chelsea have seven points to find on Spurs from last season, and Arsenal have fourteen.
This is the hard reality of it. Of course it is entirely possible, indeed likely from the money they have spent and the very good players they have spent it on, that Liverpool will find the necessary improvement to make up the two points they were behind Spurs at close of play last season, but anyone expecting Spurs to decline enough, or the two teams named above to improve enough, for Spurs to finish sixth next season, needs their head examined. |
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spurs players be fecked after wc.
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More nonsense. Well done.
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so you think Kane looked fresh in the play off match?
you think hes looked great or worn out?? Deli is carrying a knock. Lloris has been celebrating. Spurs proved how good their players are by how many did so well in the WC. But as with Manchester United their squad could be a bit jaded at first and that does not set the season up well. |
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Please do some basic research before you parrot all the nonsense about bad starts, that's all. Spurs have started deplorably twice in the last three seasons, they finished third both times. The season they finished second, they had five players coming off the Iceland defeat, when they had played two games fewer than they will have played over this summer.
Bad starts can be overcome, as Spurs have proved twice recently. Last season they didn't win any of their first three home games - including games against Swansea and Burnley. They finished third. |
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Don't think be 6th by way,more likely third above Man u...
Trouble ahead there... |
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I do think tiredness could be a factor as we get into the second half of next season. Demands on players continue to grow with tours and the ever-quickening pace of the game.
We've got Salah and Mané due to return to training today which seems ridiculously quick and we've already played 3 pre-season friendlies. The question then is the impact on teams. For us, we need cover for the front 3 now as they all work hard and played in the WC. Our midfield and defence should be well-stocked. Looking at the others, you could say Utd may struggle if Lukaku and Pogba show some wear and tear. City have a big squad and can probably afford to nurse De Bruyne and Aguero where needed. I do think the biggest question mark hangs over Spurs. As much as I rate Son, their attacking hopes hang on Alli, Eriksen and Kane. All have had little time off and both English lads looked jaded in the WC imo. Question for Pocch is how he rotates and replaces if they pick up pulls or their level drops. |
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jed how did they overcome these bad starts?
did they win the league? |
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You are assuming PorP that Spurs will sell none of the three you mention, and buy nobody in those positions either.
You are obviously forgetting Lucas Moura, who will see a whole lot more of the pitch than he did last season. You forget Lamela will be much stronger than last season after missing a year of football. We have been written off for the last three seasons, purely and simply because people do not realise how strong our squad is. Just by way of an example, when we smashed you 4-1 at Wembley, the game was run by Harry Winks. He played about ninety minutes of football after Christmas, and will be back in August. |
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you were written off with good reasoning and it proved correct, you never challenged for the title.
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Winks is brilliant but will he need time after injury to return to his best?
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Nobody challenged for the title last season CM, City won it by nineteen points.
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How many PL teams actually win trophies every season? Two? Maybe three? Not sure what you're trying to say here. When's the last time Liverpool won something of note (Coca Cola Cup not included). I expect Spurs to finish ahead of the Pool yet again (as they have done for 8 of the last 9 seasons). Grin
When's the last time Liverpool won something of note? Istanbul ring a bell?Not sure what I'm trying to say? It's not that difficult, Spurs just don't win things very often, one trophy in 27 years. In that time, Liverpool have won - League Cup x 3, FA Cup x 3, UEFA x 2 and the Champions League. I won't bother listing what the other 'big clubs' have won over that time-frame. So although you are right, there's not many pots to win per season, Spurs HUGELY under-perform for a club of their size. They've lost 7 FA Cup semi finals in a row as i'm sure you'll know. |
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jed, I'm assuming nothing and writing no-one off. I'm merely saying I think tiredness will be more of an issue later this season than most other years.
We have to keep our front three fresh and you need to do the same. It's that tricky balance of getting players good enough to replace without a huge drop in quality and yet are happy to play second fiddle often. To be fair Lamela could be a good option and will get a lot of time if he stays fit. Interested to see if Moura become important as he's been a bit disappointing to me. Still think Spurs will finish top 3 though. |
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They've lost 7 FA Cup semi finals in a row as i'm sure you'll know.
My apologies, it's 8 in a row. |
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What does that mean - 'for a club of their size?'
Spurs had been paying the price for bad decisions made in the late 1980s until a few seasons ago, it is even arguable that they are paying it still. When the Sky money came into the game, Spurs had fallen from a position where it could be used to cement their place in the top reaches of the League. Instead under Sugar and post-Scholar, it was used to prop up an enterprise which had only recently escaped the clutches of the liquidator. Spurs were very close to failing, very close. |
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All i've said is I think Liverpool are worthy 2nd favs by the way. That's it. Does anybody look like turning Citeh over?
No. |
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What does that mean - 'for a club of their size?'
Spurs had been paying the price for bad decisions made in the late 1980s until a few seasons ago, it is even arguable that they are paying it still. When the Sky money came into the game, Spurs had fallen from a position where it could be used to cement their place in the top reaches of the League. Instead under Sugar and post-Scholar, it was used to prop up an enterprise which had only recently escaped the clutches of the liquidator. Spurs were very close to failing, very close. What do you think it means? Aren't Spurs a big enough club to have won more than one trophy in 27 years and not to have lost 8 FA Cup semi's in a row? Come on man. Late 80s? that was 30 years ago! If you think Spurs aren't really a 'big club' then fair enough I suppose. To me the fact they've reached 8 semi's recently tells me they are big enough to challenge for trophies, they just can't get it done. |
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I don't even have time for the argument about what constitutes a big club. I have merely tried to provide you with an explanation of why Spurs have won very little, and looked like winning very little, in all that time.
And I am of course aware that the late 80s was thirty years ago. |
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Well, they either are one or they aren't. As a Spurs fan i'd have thought you would have believed Spurs were a big club. The explanation as to why Spurs won very little is that they can get close but they can't get over the line.
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I thought Spurs last season were very impressive, especially when you consider that every every game was an "away" fixture and Wembley wasn't exactly their favourite pitch to play on in the the past..new stadium ( 1st home game is Liverpool I believe) , so expect even better than last season.
What was noticeable about Liverpool last season was the teams performance when salah wasn't on the pitch, they were average and on a few occasions threw away games when leading. My worry for Liverpool is Klopp, as likeable as he is, he doesn't cope with pressure most notable last year's cal final and the away semi in Rome. Can't really have tiredness as an excuse, the wc players coming back will be given a few weeks rest whilst the other players will be flying long haul for meaningless tournaments to boost clubs image and make money. 1/ man city 2/ Tottenham 3/ man Utd 4/ Liverpool Arsenal still have too much to prove though they should improve now that winger has gone and Chelsea will struggle, whilst the rumour of abrohamovic trying to sell the club carries on. |
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spurs have come a hell of long way from the mess of the sugar years when bad decisions made then just when the CL was becoming open to all comers left us light years off the pace. under levy's shrewd running of the club we've come from probably outside the top 50 clubs in europe to inside the top 10 now. a phenomenal effort having spent massively less on transfers and wages compared to our main competitors. still incredibly difficult when at least 5 of those top 10 clubs are in the premiership
it's nonsense to judge spurs now on what might have happened 15 or 20 years ago. on and off the field the club is massively superior to the shambles that existed then the domestic cups are absolute mickey mouse for any serious club these days. the league and CL are where it's all about and spur have been MASSIVELY punching above their weight in recent seasons. 3 top 3 finishes in a row is a miracle really on the resources available i add in victor waynama as another player who was hardly ever properly fit last season who could be like another new player for spurs |
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the domestic cups are absolute mickey mouse for any serious club these days.
So Spurs were fielding severely weakened teams in those 8 semi finals then? |
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Maf,nothing like lifting the cup at Wembley,and thankfully its still a hope for many clubs,not just the elite,i have a lot more respect for supporters outside the top half a dozen sides.
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a certain massively hyped up manager has lost virtually every cup final he's ever contested and those definitely weren't in the dim and distant past
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5.6 for Liverpool to win the title is ridiculously short. A lay rather than a back in my opinion. And I'm slightly concerned that Salah will prove to be a one season wonder.
 I don't think we'll be seeing the same heroics from his this season. |
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did think the same about salah but when you look at his career he has only had one poor season,so although be staggered if its as good as last season still expect him to perform to a very high standard
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I tend to go the other way with Salah - it's unlikely he will get the same numbers he got last season perhaps, but he must surely improve as a player for his first season in the Premier League?
I think on the maths alone it's hard to justify backing a team at 9/2 to make up 25 points on the Champions, but Keita and Alysson are massive signings imo, particularly the keeper given what they have had before and even though I wouldn't be a backer I wouldn't entirely rule it out. |
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First XI look good on paper but very little depth in squad . Should still finish in the top 6 so nowt for the scousers to worry about .
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Reason I have Spurs in 6th is a combination of factors; although I actually think they have the 3rd best starting 11 behind City & Liverpool.
New ground will help away teams initially and a lot of pressure on the home side to perform, smallish squad and tired legs post world cup, slight apathy as the players realistically know they're not going to win the league or CL. Arsenal and Chelsea have no CL and the former have massively improved their squad and have a new, fresh direction. spurs squad isn't big enough on quality. An injury to either Kane/Eriksson or Loris will hugely affect them more than key players of other clubs due to suitable lack of replacements. |
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Liverpool's price is an absolute joke now.
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It depends CCM. If we don't sign Fekir then I agree. If we do then I think it's very fair. We aren't likely to however....
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spurs will be solid again and will go close fpr 2nd with Liverpool in my view , Think city will be too strong and win it again with utd , arsenal and chelsea all pitching in for4, 5 and 6 placea, with utd 4th
should be a fascinating season |
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We started last season 12/1 charwell.
We've essentially lost Coutinho, Can and Oxlade Chamberlain from that team and gained Keita, Fabinho and Shaqiri. Its definitely an upgrade, and Keita will be one of the stars of the season for me, but is it enough of an upgrade for us be just about a third of the price? Not to my eyes, especially considering how far we finished behind City. The keeper looks a huge upgrade obviously, but still think we are too short. |
