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Report 11kv March 21, 2026 9:59 AM GMT
Utd players getting  big heads again  cos they have won a few games.

Carrick jumping on it  whinging about decisions.....
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 10:57 AM GMT
.... and the ABU buffoons are back!
Report MillridgeTanic March 21, 2026 12:07 PM GMT
I beg your pardon. Just making a point. Maybe od has a point with the team as a whole.
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 12:48 PM GMT
I was referring to 11kv
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 21, 2026 12:53 PM GMT
Club complaining to pgmol, but not about recent Cunha pelanty
nor Ramsey sending off at sjp.

We all want to get everything but expect tolerance when
we commit these little fouls.

Fergie showed the importance of putting pressure
on referees to err on the right side, more often than not.
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 1:00 PM GMT
All fans want is consistency
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 21, 2026 1:10 PM GMT
Fergie wanted consistent benefit of the doubt.

That certainly helps, Newcastle suffered almost same as
man utd in mid week, and it's tough to take. Luckily our
player got yellow, not red.

Would be an interesting exercise to lock 10 refs in 10 rooms and
replay the incidents to them without benefit of knowing outcome
of on field decision, then see what conclusion was reached

Consistency would be great.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 21, 2026 1:14 PM GMT

Mar 21, 2026 -- 2:00PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:


All fans want is consistency


But there is consistency. Sometimes officials make mistakes. Sometimes they go for you. Sometimes against. Twas ever thus.

Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 1:38 PM GMT
If a video review from multiple angles doesn't bring consistency then nothing will.

Imho VAR should be scraped.
Report duffy March 21, 2026 1:43 PM GMT
VAR should be scrappred and the clubs should all refuse to play until it is scrapped, revolution is what's needed, all this "it's not going anywhere" bollocks gets on my wick, get on the front foot and it will be eradicated.
Report 11kv March 21, 2026 2:07 PM GMT
Well said porc
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 2:12 PM GMT
By backing Refs VAR allows the Refs to make terrible decisions.

This lack of real scrutiny means it'd be very easy for a Ref to fix a market.
Report duffy March 21, 2026 2:19 PM GMT
But there is consistency. Sometimes officials make mistakes. Sometimes they go for you. Sometimes against. Twas ever thus.

Proof positive that VAR is a waste of time, why do we need this extra layer when the net result is precisely what we had before being the old maxim of you win some you lose some
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 2:19 PM GMT

Twas ever thus.


VAR was brought in to reduce refereeing mistakes. Instead it is reinforcing mistakes. Further vexing fans.

Report PorcupineorPineapple March 21, 2026 2:22 PM GMT
VAR has reduced mistakes. No question about that. For me, it's just a question of cost. How long do you want to wait before you can properly celebrate a goal? And is the reduction in mistakes worth that? It's a no for me.
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 2:27 PM GMT
If VAR was reducing more mistakes than it is reinforcing mistakes it would be regularly praised.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 21, 2026 2:32 PM GMT
I don't think VAR is generally getting criticised for making wrong decisions. Even your ones yesterday are more about interpretation than obvious wrongness. The criticism is about time taken and how it's ruining the atmosphere.
Report duffy March 21, 2026 2:34 PM GMT
It hasn't reduced mistakes because every single week we are left debating whether such a such decision was correct or not, you can argue that with many situations being subjective then it's bound to be the case but that should have been considered before VAR was created.

Situations occurring in a football match are typically not solved in an exact science way which means by absolute definition that we shouldn't be trying to be scientific with it.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 21, 2026 2:39 PM GMT
I don't disagree but we'd had a decade of high profile managers saying how the standard of refereeing was terrible and we needed better. Never going to change now. Too much money in the game to go backwards and no chance clubs in the EPL will accept a referee being a human and just getting one wrong, and saying "hey, it'll even itself out".
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 2:40 PM GMT

I don't think VAR is generally getting criticised for making wrong decisions.


Really??

It's criticized every week for not getting decisions right.

Report duffy March 21, 2026 2:47 PM GMT
It might be naievity on my part but I honestly believe that in the wake of living with VAR, if we did revert back to life without it, there wouldn't be the moaning and groaning there used to be, and whatever there was would be short lived because we've seen the alternative.
Report SirNorbertClarke March 21, 2026 3:29 PM GMT
Let's get one thing straight, there is nothing wrong with the VAR's equipment.

It is the rules the VAR works to.

Lots of sports use video to get decisions right; rugby, basketball, American football, ice hockey, F1, none of them are as controversial as football's VAR.

At the heart of VAR's problems is the subjective opinion of the Referee.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 21, 2026 3:48 PM GMT
To be fair that is not vars fault.

They (pgmol Epl) want to allow contact, wrestling, and shirt pulling.
Up to a certain, but undefined level.

Makes it difficult for var because ref has a view, and var should
not change tight subjectivity decisions.
Report duffy March 21, 2026 3:49 PM GMT
The crucial difference with American Football is that the part of the game that is highly subjective, "pass interference", isn't reviewable, and that is because they realize they'd be stopping and checking all the time and the subjective nature of it would come under even more scrutiny.

In Football keep VAR for offsides and violent conduct but not fouls for pens or handballs which are subjective would be what I'd like to see, go with the on field team for that.
Report duffy March 22, 2026 1:53 PM GMT
Never mind the better run we've been on, I think Carrick shouldn't get the job by losing to this Newcastle side alone....f00king hopelessLaugh
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Report brentford April 8, 2026 7:22 PM BST
Maguire 1 year extension earlier this week (2nd yr club option) for a reduction from 190,000 to 120,000 weekly reportedly...

seems fair enough to me, he's becoming a bit injury prone you could argue but probably gets summer off and needn't be viewed as a starter next season but much cheaper than bringing in someone equivalent on a fee + wages...going need a lot of funds for centre mf...
Report the_don April 9, 2026 4:09 PM BST
The Maguire extension is a reasonable move for reasons stated - in both boxes he's still got much to offer. As stated, most money available needs to go on the midfield.

Looking forward, we need defenders who can defend higher and can be left 1v1 - this has so much impact on the rest of the team. Obviously not Maguire's forte - nor maybe de Ligt or Martinez, though both bring other qualities (when fit). Yoro and maybe Heaven could fit the bill but too early to judge either.
Report clayj April 9, 2026 8:34 PM BST
its a bit of a deludicional ? question .. i support everton and have only known of 1 maybe 2 fans too change from everton to liverpool or the other way round in my life ... 2 i reckon in 40 years ... wt about in manchester how many u encounted? u no u gotta take there answer no uda .. efc for life x me  x
Report duffy April 14, 2026 1:31 PM BST
A shocking result but I suppose if we can stumble over the CL qualification line whilst in the process have enough poor results so as to put the skids on Carrick's appointment then it would be no bad thing.
Report the_don April 14, 2026 1:55 PM BST
The performance was far worse than the result imo. Seemed to have about 312 days to prepare for this game and looked like we had no idea what Leeds were going to do or how to deal with it. If we can't cope without the likes of Maguire and Mainoo then it says it all about the standard at the moment.

Red card was ridiculously harsh imo but to be fair we should have been 3 or 4 down by that point. To make no changes personnel wise before that or even at half time was very strange to say the least and not encouraging for Carrick in terms of how his stint will be judged.
Report duffy April 14, 2026 2:08 PM BST
Next season is going to be far busier, games wise, going to need an experienced, been there done it bloke in charge.
Report duffy April 14, 2026 2:40 PM BST
I don't expect us to get anything out of Chelsea, City went to another level in the second half against them, probably playing the best football of the season but Chelsea weren't bad in the first half and caused them some problems, that level will be enough to put the frighteners up us.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 14, 2026 2:46 PM BST
I'd think Chelsea and man utd fairly similar at
the moment.

World Cup and next season on agenda.

We've played both, recently, and despite our lads being
on beach too didn't seem overwhelmed.
Report duffy April 14, 2026 3:04 PM BST
Unfortunately for us, we are the only side that your lot look any good againstWink
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 14, 2026 3:20 PM BST
Beat Chelsea too.

But yeah.
Report brentford April 14, 2026 4:26 PM BST
That was horrific especially in the context of what a big moment it was in terms of wrapping up CL football..
the only positives the crowd and players reaction after going down to 10 and came quite close to getting an undeserved point...
Martinez red felt a bit harsh for a variety of reasons (eyes were on the ball, got an arm in the face from C-Lewin and minimal force/violence) but those are just an automatic red so as soon as picked up by VAR was going to be off...

Too long a break may have a small impact but the general incompetence of the performance until losing a man was beyond that and a horrible audition for Carrick..there has been a feeling results have slightly outstripped performance levels so maybe due that but shows the benefits also of being patient in terms of Carrick's future..

Nagelsmann seems to be quite heavily linked by the more credible parts of the media and that was before last night..an exciting young coach but think any optimism would be very tempered on the back of Europe's last couple of shiny new things..
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 14, 2026 7:49 PM BST
Iraola available. Should be near the top of the list surely.
Report the_don April 14, 2026 8:56 PM BST
Next season will be busier (we technically can't play any fewer games!), let's hope it features Champions League matches rather than Europa League. Mentioned a few games ago I'd bite your hand off for 5th place as the results were better than performance and I stand by that.

Though there's nothing Carrick can do about it to prove otherwise, there's no evidence of how he would build a squad and deal with having games on a more regular basis. Choosing a coach with at the very least some European match experience is a must for me.

Don't see Iraola as an option - he seems to be set on returning to Spain (Bilbao) and I while he has been excellent at Bournemouth, I see him as more of an overachieving underdog type coach rather than one who will bring a dominant style that the best teams tend to have.
Report duffy April 15, 2026 4:17 PM BST
Let's keep it simple and sensible, appoint a manager that has proven top level experience, that's what United should be looking at.
Report duffy April 15, 2026 4:27 PM BST
Like most jobs, look for someone qualified to do the job you're asking them to do, that's all you can do.

Appointing bright new shiny things that have had success at smaller clubs has not got a good recent track record, certainly not in the EPL and certainly not when they've had to deal with European football too.

The likes of Iraola, who seems set on Spain anyway and Glasner wouldn't be the route I'd like to see them go down.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 15, 2026 4:41 PM BST
United are easily the biggest club outside of Spain.

They should have a glittering squad of players and a top top manager.

They should also have a mega stadium
.

We all know the reality
Report olddesperado April 18, 2026 10:38 PM BST
I'm not sure I enjoy us doing an Arsenel and celebrating the top 4 trophy.
Might have been different if it was last day of the season or something but with five games to go ?.

I said in January if Carrick got us around 2 point per game until the end of the season he'd have done really well but he's even surpassed that .

So why am I not enthused by him.

Our performances have nose dived since his first game and largely we're getting more points than we deserve.

Our energy has disappeared and we look slow and lethargic again after Amorim (who was a disaster) had us fitter and more dominant.

Carrick shorter training sessions and more days off is just not working.

He's also slow and ponderous in game.
Tonight Mbeumo and Sesko looked goosed around the hour mark yet he just stood there watching.

When he got appointed I looked up the Middlesbrough fans opinion of him.
No plan B, preffered 11, slow to make changes, no rotation,

I think he hasn't changed.


Having said all that if we can't get someone like Ancollotti or Simione I'd stick with him for a season of consolidation rather than a new project manager who wants to prove his way is right over being pragmatic
Report duffy April 19, 2026 1:28 AM BST
At the end of the day we are going to be back in the CL and I don't think it matters how we get there the fact of just getting there will open up the field by way of attracting potential managers and quality players.

I think it unlikely that they will give Carrick the job with a CL campaign in play.

Top 6 was a minimum and something that I expected at the very least if the new signings proved in any way decent even with a failed manager in tow and CL was a big bonus that will now give us the chance to really expediate some some real sustainable improvement.

The Summer transfer dealings should now be quite exciting I think!!!
Report SirNorbertClarke April 19, 2026 8:55 AM BST
I didn't see anything at Stamford Bridge yesterday to give hope that United can challenge for the title anytime soon.

Maybe we'll get past Grimsby Town next season.
Report duffy April 19, 2026 3:17 PM BST
You didn't need to Nobby, the point is that getting back into the CL and looking more attractive to potential additions at least puts us onto the right lines.

They've still got to get the right players in but I don't care what anyone says, if you gave the position we are in to any sensible United fan at the start of the season they would have took it, I don't care about analysing performances and debating whether or not we deserved it, it's a means to and end, it's as simple as that.
Report duffy April 27, 2026 10:09 PM BST
DITTO once again and an even more stark example of getting the result but in the process all that we need to improve underlined time and time again.

Dominated from a possession based stand point and giving up far too many good chances on aother day Brentford might have scored five goals.

But it's all about CL qualification and getting a proven manager with experience in that sphere going forward IMO.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 27, 2026 11:36 PM BST
I thought Carrick had the look tonight of a man who'd been told he'd be leaving at the end of the season.
Report duffy April 28, 2026 3:44 PM BST
I thought it strange how Neville and co praised Carrick for changing it at half time but from what I saw in the second half, we looked less threatening whilst we still gave away as many decent chances and possession.
Report the_don April 28, 2026 5:43 PM BST
Second half was definitely a lot less end to end, which I suppose was the plan at 2 nil up, although it could quite easily have been 2 or 3 each. No attacking intent, as we played for the final 10 minutes, never sits well with me and there could be no complaints if Brentford had equalised.

I guess Carrick would say he has done what he has needed to get wins on the board and to get the job done. Rather than playing a better type of football as we saw in his first 2 or 3 games. I do wonder if there is a stage where he may look to get a performance rather than just the result, but with Liverpool up next it's unlikely.
Report SirNorbertClarke May 2, 2026 8:42 AM BST
It's all gone very quiet on the new stadium front.

Would I be right in thinking that after all the hullabaloo they haven't even put a shovel in the ground yet?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 2, 2026 1:09 PM BST
Might need to wait for a new mayor?

Mischief
Report duffy May 2, 2026 2:18 PM BST
Despite initially agreeing to invest P T Barnum has withdrawn funding on the grounds the design is just too ridiculous.
Report Crisp77 May 2, 2026 6:53 PM BST
With air fuel and petrol prices as they are, it’s unlikely Man United could fill a bigger stadium.
Report the_don May 3, 2026 6:35 PM BST
Pleasing scenes. Could have been more comfortable. All focus now will surely be on the manager situation for next season.
Report duffy May 3, 2026 6:49 PM BST
I think that game sits in the negative colmn as far as Carrick is concerned and was another example of a "moment" of quality amongst another indifferent performance as a whole that dug us out of the mess that was created , for the most part by the change at half time, which laid bare all of our shortcomings and also gave the impression that Carrick did not know what to do to correct it.

I really will be bothered if he gets the job, it's annoying me why we continually hark back to nostalgic emotive choices and the United way when looking to the future, especially when you consider that the job he has done, which has had it's fair share of red flags by the way, bears no resemblance to the job he would be tasked with next season and which he has zero experience of ever doing in the past.
Report 11kv May 3, 2026 7:59 PM BST
Got v lucky against a p i s s poor Liverpool side

But fair play you set out to get Champs league football and you have got it.
Report duffy May 3, 2026 11:33 PM BST
I found this on twitter and it sums up my thoughts but is put far better than I could so good post cantonadevils which his handle ironically harks back to a better period

Manchester United fans say they want a modern rebuild but keep circling back to former players from the Ferguson era and Michael Carrick is the latest example.

The hype around Carrick feels less about what he has actually proven as a manager and more about what he represents, which are;

1. A familiar face.
2. A club legend.
3. A “safe” emotional pick.

Since Sir Alex Ferguson left, United have repeatedly leaned into familiarity, sentiment, and nostalgia in different forms, described and masked under the guise of United DNA and way.

A club trying to return to the top shouldn’t be asking:“Who reminds us of the good old days?”
It should be asking; Who is objectively best equipped to build a winning football structure?

Michael Carrick may become a top coach in future. That’s possible.

But right now, a lot of the noise feels driven by emotional attachment, not hard evidence.

Manchester United don’t need another comfort appointment and Michael Carrick screams that.
Report SirNorbertClarke May 4, 2026 10:44 AM BST
I'd take a 'Michael Carrick' with a couple of title wins under his belt and a fair record in the Champions League - as a manager.

His demeanor says to me he's been told he hasn't got the job.
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:26 PM BST
test
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:27 PM BST
Since Sir Alex Ferguson left, United have repeatedly leaned into familiarity, sentiment, and nostalgia in different forms, described and masked under the guise of United DNA and way.

Not sure I really buy in to that idea..

At moments of desperation they've brought back people that fit that and they've steadied the ship massively when they've come in (Carrick and Ole for a reasonable period)..

things have gone most wrong when moving away from Utd DNA (nonsense concept though that is frankly beyond playing decent attacking football) Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho - though he had a decent period before it fell apart, ETH and Amorim..not much comfort or emotional attachment in any of them...
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:28 PM BST
Carrick hasn't been entirely convincing performance wise, well though the results stack up and you'd need some convincing he could repeat 3rd or 4th in a stronger heat but as ever there's a lot of what the ideal candidate would look like but a lack of names being mentioned..it doesn't feel an especially strong pool of options currently..
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:29 PM BST
Glasner has long since made himself unappointable and maybe wasn't a great fit for a CL club anyway where the onus is so much more on making the play.. Iraola is clearly a very good coach but has no remotely comparable experience, Nagelsmaan has had a mixed cv to date though highly regarded and obvs no PL experience....Tuchel has signed an extension with the FA, Poch' would be very late to the table if they did get a deal done..which is far from ideal..as ever I'm interested in who these 'ideal' candidates are exactly..

If there is an obvs option then moving on from Carrick makes reasonable sense...if there isn't..it doesn't..
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:30 PM BST
Glasner has long since made himself unappointable and maybe wasn't a great fit for a CL club anyway where the onus is so much more on making the play.. Iraola is clearly a very good coach but has no remotely comparable experience, Nagelsmaan has had a mixed cv to date though highly regarded and obvs no PL experience....Tuchel has signed an extension with the FA, Poch' would be very late to the table if they did get a deal done..which is far from ideal..as ever I'm interested in who these 'ideal' candidates are exactly..
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:30 PM BST
If there is an obvs option then moving on from Carrick makes reasonable sense...if there isn't..it doesn't..
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:32 PM BST
If there is an obvs option then moving on from Carrick makes reasonable sense...if there isn't..it doesn't..
Report brentford May 4, 2026 5:33 PM BST
not quite sure why all my responses are being submitted to the moderator..Plain

having written it I will post it if it kills me Laugh
Report the_don May 4, 2026 8:44 PM BST
I'm quite behind the idea that Carrick has done his job, settled things down and got the results, if not always the performances, required. He was qualified to do this having been a coach as well as a player at United.

The next job is a different one, involving much higher expectations and managing a squad through a season involving Europe (minimum 8 matches now). Ideally you'd want a manager with that experience, being able to manage a squad, rotate players and keep those not playing as happy as you can. Not his fault, but Carrick doesn't have the experience of that.

the problem, as mentioned, comes with identifying candidates. Who can we name? For me, it's about identifying who or what type of manager we want.

Radcliffe mentioned a couple of years back about not switching from one type of manager to another (and then hired 3 at the back Amorim!). So for reasons of a settled squad and clarity in the transfer market, I think that should be a big factor in who's in charge next season.
Report duffy May 5, 2026 2:35 PM BST
Tuchel is an obvious candidate, the fact he's signed an extention with England is neither here or there. Just a question about whether the board would be too scared to appoint a guy who'll hold their feet to the fire.
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 5, 2026 3:02 PM BST
Don't quite think you guys appreciate the good job Carrick has done there. The club was in a right mess before he arrived. He's taken you from 7th to 3rd. No big fuss. No big dramas. Just got some good basic tactics in place, put players in their right positions and motivated them enough to try.

Can't get why you're so keen to bin him off.


At the end of the day, any team relies on its players. If I was a Utd fan (shudders to the tune of YNGAJ) then I'd be willing to give him a go at the transfer kitty and see if his eye for talent is as good as it is for coaching. None of the names mentioned above (Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Iraola, Pocch) scream out as far better.
Report brentford May 5, 2026 3:46 PM BST
He's done a very decent job Porcu' - No big dramas. Just got some good basic tactics in place, put players in their right positions and motivated them enough to try.  that covers it extremely well but on close inspection one or two bounces of the ball and not getting the rub in a couple of games and it would all look a lot less polished..
the performances have been a lot less impressive than the results tbh bar the opening two games, otherwise I don't think there'd be much doubt he'd be offered a 2 or 3 year deal all be it on much less than all the big names would command..which may well still happen.

Re Tuchel - if he was keen to get back into club management he wouldn't have signed the extension when he did (Feb 26) , he'd have still had the opportunity to stay on with England if it went well at the WC and nothing better arrived in his intray which was effectively the structure he signed to originally..having committed now to a contract that takes him to the Euros it would be remarkable to see him walk out barring an abject failure in the summer - in which case his stock drops significantly anyway...
He was spoken to by the Utd hierarchy in 2024 summer by most accounts and clearly they weren't aligned at that time so feels even less likely for the being to me.
Report duffy May 5, 2026 4:13 PM BST
I would say that other than putting square pegs in square holes he has done little else.

Our results have heavily skewed our actual performances that have been often poor and it has been "moments" of brilliance provided by the new signings and Bruno that have mainly proved the difference. Those quality signings if played correctly, so you can give him credit for that, were always going to provide United with a huge improvement from last year all on their own.

Going forward Carrick would be faced with a completely different job to what he did this season, one that he is has no experience of doing before, it makes no sense.

The Newcastle, Leeds, Brentford, West Ham, Liverpool games were all poor performances and a good few others have been average.

The City and Arsenal games were decent performances but those were right in the immediate aftermath of Amorim's departure, performances have gotten worse progressively but the results, for the most part have held up which has given us a false impression of Carrick's real contribution.

Whoever is appointed is a risk, that's life, but the very least the board can do is to pick someone with the back catalogue of success or at the very least, competent experience in doing the job they are being asked to do.

Carrick makes no sense.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 5, 2026 4:29 PM BST
Not many teams are 100% all the time

Winning when playing poorly was a hallmark
of fergie and gratefully accepted.

Carrick did some obvious stuff, and previous guys
signed some obvious players but couldn't put pegs
in right holes.

There's a decent nucleus at man utd at the moment
which probably needs more depth and a few new starters.

Getting right manager is important, but maybe keeping
Carrick on coaching staff would be decent too, lots
of managers would love to have him as a coach.
Report duffy May 5, 2026 4:33 PM BST
Tuchel signing the extension does at least provide the FA with a facade of commitment and continuity if nothing else but it wouldn't stop the manager from jumping ship if he wanted to.

A manager turning to a national job is akin to him reaching for the pipe and slippers, Tuchel isn't ready for that yet but yes Tuchel and United have crossed paths before and it wasn't favourable from both sides so reports would have it, however the situation is now different, United have suffered Amorim, a novice that they took a punt on because he was the bright shiny thing and they thought City were after him and that might alter their stance toward a proven heavyweight and from Tuchel's point of view, if they weren't attractive before they certainly are now with decent new signings with more to come and CL football on the table.
Report duffy May 5, 2026 4:36 PM BST
I think Neville was right, it would be a strong bold move for Carrick to walk away himself, his stock is high, his time will surely come again and his impact, such as it is, would remain in many fans eyes sitting on the shoulder of the new manager.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 5, 2026 4:47 PM BST
Fergie worked with top coaches

Depends on what everybody is happy with.
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 5, 2026 4:49 PM BST
Yeah, Utd's performances may not have been great all the time, but that just goes back to the quality of the players. Mbuemo looks good, Bruno continues to shine but who apart from them gets near the top two's sides? I'm not sure you could have expected a Tuchel or similar to have done much better with the squad available. It needs a massive overhaul no matter who's in charge, I just wouldn't rush to bin off the guy who's done about as good as possible in the role.
Report rothko May 6, 2026 11:02 AM BST
How can Utd have a massive overhaul and not breach PSR

When INEOS came in they assessed that the financial position was very poor hence the haste in the mass sackings
There was a £33m loss in 2024/25 even with a Europa League final

Have had the match revenues from 40 games this season. The lucrative shirt sponsorship will have financial penalties for non performance

So will be interesting to see the scope they have to act. Obviously a centre mid to replace Casemiro but what else??
Report SirNorbertClarke May 6, 2026 12:22 PM BST
Clown club

Falling down stadium
Useless management
No coach
Expensive but average players
Report SirNorbertClarke May 6, 2026 12:44 PM BST
Small club 'Top 4' ambition
Report brentford May 6, 2026 4:34 PM BST
How can Utd have a massive overhaul and not breach PSR

Their last set of financial figures were far better than much of the media had projected, they also restructured their revolving credit facilities and are confident they fall within all current PSR rules, wages were down on headline figures due to no European football and player loans that took some significant money off the wage bill - it was a relatively streamlined squad this season..the cuts made to staff have now kicked in and will knock some off operating costs ? (I guess that comes under)..

Mbuemo, Sesko and Cunha are all on spread payments though the single year cost was a lot less than the headline figure (though obvs will count against the next period and possibly beyond)..they have about 38m to come from Napoli for Hojlund (which apparently means he won't inflict any PSR deficit) ..might be looking at Barca activating Rashford for around 25m..Onana possibly going for around 15m....both Sancho and Casemiro off the books for next season who were the top two earners (though Sancho loans have paid significant chunks of that)

Obviously guaranteed CL is worth a lot - have seen estimates of up to 120m inc matchday revenue, tv money, club tat sales, sponsorship money increases if they were to progress to knockout stage.

I would think they have the ability to spend about 150m -200m if again paying over extended periods once all those figures are done - not that it goes very far these days..probably looking at 2 central MF's and maybe a left back (possibly another attacking option if one of those doesn't happen.
Report brentford May 6, 2026 4:40 PM BST
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13512009/man-utd-financial-results-omar-berrada-believes-club-seeing-benefits-of-redundancy-programme-as-profits-rise-despite-fall-in-revenues

an article that covers some of it form when last figures were released in Feb
Report duffy May 6, 2026 5:01 PM BST
brentford,

That is an impressive grasp of the situation me old mateCool
Report brentford May 6, 2026 5:03 PM BST
Laugh

very kind, sir.
Report rothko May 8, 2026 10:53 AM BST
interesting analysis Brentford

will be a shortened transfer window this year because of the world cup

some of the transfer amounts attached to Elliot Anderson look crazy high
Report duffy May 8, 2026 2:56 PM BST
I remember saying a long while back whilst Amad was the shining light in an otherwise poor team that in a fully functioning decent United side in the fullness of time that he wouldn't be a part of it.

I think might come to pass.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 12, 2026 6:45 PM BST
Carrick getting job, to be announced before end of season

Apparently...
Report duffy May 13, 2026 3:41 PM BST
I suppose Carrick ticks the most important box of all, that being he will be malleable, happy to have the job, extremely unlikely to hold the boards feet to the fire, yep, he'll do nicely.

And the added kicker is that when it all goes wrong the board can sit back and say, as they did with OGS, that they were only giving all those fuzzy nostalgic fans hamstrung by the United way and DNA, what they wanted.....yep he'll do nicely.
Report the_don May 24, 2026 6:23 PM BST
11pts clear of Liverpool and 19 ahead of Chelsea is ridiculous really, whether you view that from the start of the season or even the New Year. Even more unlikely is that we beat Brighton and also Danny Welbeck didn't score against us! (PS please no Baleba in the summer)

Said it a few times, but it shows the poor quality this season. Arsenal were deserved title winners but only really down to one of the poorest City sides of the last decade and no other challenger.
Report duffy May 24, 2026 7:10 PM BST
Back in the CL is a step in the right direction, whether it leads to anything we'll have to wait and see, the signings were enough to improve our position in what turned out to be a poor league but the quality of the performances are still a big cause for concern and something the Carrick supporters haven't seemed to grasp, only seeing the result.

It's a massive Summer now and the midfield additions are going to have to be the right ones to enable us to gain more control in games and not concede so much possession, winning the ball back quicker and allowing our defence to not have to defend every counter launched by the opposition.

The bottom line though when all said and done is that we would have taken this at the start of the season.
Report brentford May 24, 2026 7:24 PM BST
Didn't see today's performance or result coming but rounds off a very nice end to the season..

entirely agree with the views that much still to prove for the club just not to go backwards but can at least enjoy and breathe again after last couple of seasons and indeed 3 of the last 4  - places the club in a much more stable and positive position to approach the summer transfer window..

Carrick regardless of views about his future deserves a lot of credit for the calm he's brought to a situation that could have just spiralled even further..

he's probably earned a shot at the gig in the process but next season  will be tougher - not least game to be played ..but difficult to believe Chelsea, L'pool and even Spurs won't be better and back in the fight for top 6 along with Villa and maybe N'castle depending on how they can deal with PSR this summer..
Report duffy May 24, 2026 7:28 PM BST
At least the WC will fill a large chunk of the Summer and before we know it we'll be off againExcited
Report SirNorbertClarke May 25, 2026 10:09 AM BST
Wow! We came third in the worst Premier League in donkey's years.

Biggest eye opener for me was seeing pictures of Metropolitano Stadium.

We are 10 years behind the opposition and stuck with **** owners and **** management.

And without 32 year old Bruno Fernandes we'd be lucky to finish in the top 10.
Report the_don May 25, 2026 8:24 PM BST
I agree fully with the comments re the stadium, owners etc. It's almost a running joke that whenever we have a decent 2 or 3 months the noise over the Glazers, the leaking roof and now the total non progress of a new stadium goes quiet. It shouldn't.

It's strange (but also predictable) that Radcliffe and co. came in with the allowance to have a say over footballing matters only, yet seem to talk the talk and also take the flak (often rightly so) about all aspects of the club. The Glazers will be delighted that part of their plan has played out perfectly.

So, lots to do on and off the pitch. But surely there hasn't been a better chance in the last decade for a team to grasp the nettle and take advantage of a real vacuum of top class competition - especially in the Premier League. We can hope.......
Report comingupthehill May 25, 2026 8:35 PM BST
Amad
2 goals
2 assists

Not good enough.

We need 2 defenders,2 strikers.at least.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 25, 2026 8:54 PM BST
Bruno got a 57 million release clause, but open to stay

Negotiations ongoing.
Report SirNorbertClarke May 25, 2026 9:14 PM BST
Amad has been p***ed about all season.
Report comingupthehill May 26, 2026 7:53 PM BST
Today’s the day,1999.

Nou camp,27 years ago.
Report brentford May 27, 2026 1:24 PM BST
Manchester United are close to agreeing a deal with Atalanta for Ederson.

Talks are in the final stages over a fee in the region of £38m. Sources expect the fee to be broken down into a £35m guaranteed payment plus £3m in add-ons.

A full agreement for the midfielder could be reached by the end of the week
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