MANCHESTER UNITED

Naming rights could probably pay for half of it..

they may see a bit of short term pain as worth it..I'm assuming Ineos would be putting up a decent chunk as well..

stadiums quicky start to repay - ask Levy..

Spurs went from 36,000 to 63,000 and my neighbour paid £84 to watch Spurs v Bayern in a summer warm up match.

Welcome to the TikTok McDonalds Stadium.

I think lots of Utd fans need to get their head around us being in and out of the top 4 for over a decade and not having a single serious challenge for the title.

We usually have a lot of money to spend but that's no good if it's poorly used as in the last decade. People who think we can bring in 7, 8 plus first teamers who will all bed in straight away are, to quote a former Utd midfielder, 'in cloud cuckoo land'.

It's pretty clear the players brought in this summer are for the mid to long term. We could have bought someone like Toney for example but would then be looking again in 2 years max. See Casemiro, Varane, Ibrahimovic, Sanchez and others for examples. We are clearly moving away from that type of signing otherwise it will be a never ending cycle.

I agree that some players aren't good enough and the manager is under huge scrutiny - not sure who else is available or suitable mind. But there will be inconsistency short term, especially with new and younger players, I actually think things on and off the pitch are improved from the past few months but that overall improvement has to continue for a good while.

Good Lord. Mid to long term failure.

Your not building in the personalised pillow effect,that brasiford has installed.

The Twenty game ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

FT. dreadful.

We need to stop buying 2nd rate crap.

We need the ball playing into the box much much quicker.

The table doesn't lie. Liverpool, Arsenal & City have bought wisely while we have p!ssed an absolute fortune on Eredivisie dross.

2 minutes 30 seconds

30 minutes in and this is just embarrassing.

EtH should be sacked at HT

Ze players are not following ze plan,I told them score 1 more goal than spurs,but they failed to do this.

2 minutes into the 2nd half!

Theres no character in this Utd team. You need a core of English players who actually care. The current bunch are mercenaries looking for a payday.

This Utd team is by a mile worse than the lowest point under OGS

Ten Hag will be lucky to get a pub team after this

Very very close to the sack now...Porto away is a horrible fixture too and then Villa away!!!

"Lads, it's Spurs"

EtH has spent £616m on that sh!te.

EtH has spent £616m on that sh!te.


Its absolutely mind blowing. Antony cost north of £90m and no EPL team would look twice at him now. You'd be looking at some midtable bundesliga team taking him off your hands.

Its utterly staggering they have backed this guy with that amount of cash whilst they refused to buy Mourinho a single Central defender ffs

Rashford is a major issue at that club. His attitude is actually sickening when you see how much he gets. That idiot Gary Neville will be on with another soft PR interview with Marcus soon.....maybe a new kids book to be released for Christmas.

might be 15000 posts over the last few years saying the same thing, change the owners, change the manager, change the coaches, change the players makes fck all difference

no one has a clue and tomorrow will look the same

”Gary Neville, a former United ­captain and now Sky pundit, slammed the performance. “It was an absolutely disgusting performance in that first half,” he said. “There will be a lot of questions to answer for that group [of players] and the manager in the next week. The pressure is going to get ramped up – it is going to be brutal.”

It is patently obvious to me that a lot of United players don't give a ****. They have absolutely no comprehension of what it means to be a United player

They have their vast fortunes and are made for life. They just don't need the agro.

Ineos and the motley crew of Ratcliffe, Brailsford, Ashworth etc.... are making a right go at showing themselves as worse than the Glaziers.

I'm still staggered at them openly touting for another manager in the summer whilst ETH was still there.

Imagine me walking into the kitchen and telling the wife, I'm off out to the night club to interview prospective replacement wives.
4am and I stroll in the door telling her no worries love theres no one as good as you out tonight.....

Then I give her my credit card to go shopping the next day and she gives me a wave and smiles as she runs for the bus to the shopping centre (Keying my car on the way out the drive way)

Thats whats happened at Utd LMFAO

Why on earth does Ten Hag play exactly the same tactics again and again and again and expect them to work any better?

Rashford - Doesn't press, doesn't track back. Just gets the ball and runs with it, and either scores a greal goal or (mostly) loses it and allows the opposition to counterattack.

Garnacho - Presses and tracks back a little better than Rashford, but nowhere near consistent enough in those areas. And also shares Rashford's habit of wanting to run with the ball and try and score a goal, and again this usually results in him losing the ball and allowing the opposition to counterattack. I love Garnacho, but I think he's being very badly coached, and won't develop until this current setup is scrapped.

Bruno - These days doesn't do much of anything other than shoot from distance, and now he isn't even putting those in. In other words, it goes to him and he gives the ball back to the opposition almost immediately, and rarely brings in other players.


So Ten Hag picks a top four, three of whom will almost certainly lose the ball immediately. They try and do things at high speed, which seems very exciting, but it means the midfielders and defenders don't have the chance to join them in the opposition half and provide the kind of support the front players need in order to retain the ball and test the opposition for extended periods. And because all three of those players are fairly selfish, and generally don't even work with the other front players, it makes it easy for strong teams to put one or two of their defenders on that single player and win the ball back.

Tottenham and Liverpool were so confident that they could snuff out the lone United attackers that they were able to leave most of their team stationed in the United half, allowing them to flood the United half whenever they attacked or counter-attacked. And that was exacerbated by the fact that none of the United front players can be bothered to press. Against both Liverpool and Tottenham, whenever we had the ball at the back, we would be surrounded by opposition players. But whenever Tottenham or Liverpool had the ball at the back of their half, there would be one or two United players jogging around and grimacing at them occasionally. Within a few seconds, the ball would have been moved into the United half, having met with little or no resistance. It's pitiful. The players should either be doing their job, or they should be yanked off the pitch and told they're not playing again until they press properly.


Ten Hag should never have started both Rashford and Garnacho. Amad at least tries to bring in other players and knit things together. And Bruno needs a rest. It looks like he should get that now - although I think the red card was unlucky, I also hope he doesn't get the ban reduced on appeal! - so perhaps we can try Mount or Eriksen in the Bruno role, and see if they can do a better job of working as part of a cohesive attacking unit. A front four of Rashford/Garnacho, Amad, Mount/Eriksen, and Zirkzee/Rasmus would mean we had at least three front players who wanted to keep and use the ball effectively rather than just giving it back to the opposition.

I certainly think the players deserve plenty of blame, but Ten Hag's tactics are abysmal against top teams. I'm not sure his approach could ever work on a regular basis, regardless of the players he had at his disposal. And he sure as hell doesn't know how to motivate them or make them play in a way that serves that system and gives it even a tiny chance of succeeding. Players need to know they'll be expected to perform a particular task, or else be dropped. I'm not sure who the future of United is, but there's absolutely no way it's Ten Hag!

I am amazed EtH wasn't sacked last night.

I think what caught my eye yesterday was the latest example of Utd's transfer acumen. Over £40m on a defender who's even slower than slabhead ever was, while in front of him a similar fee on the similarly slug-like Ugarte. When Utd do wake up and get a manager who values a bit of pace in the team, the overhaul is gonna be huge and PPE or whatever they call it nowadays is gonna be a big old issue.

im amazed he got the job

£616m on sh!te.

Be very luck if we got £100m back for that lot too!

the stat knocking about this morning that spurs achieved a higher xg at old trafford than man utd have done so far this season in their combined home games was a bit misleading as they got stuffed by lpool as well as spurs, but even so 3 home games and have created feck all

Would any Prem club be interested in Antony?

I'd like to know exactly what is stopping Ratsh!te from sacking this numpty!

I'd imagine the board are considering whether to give Gareth a call right now with the plan to get him in during the international break. Maybe give Ming the Porto game to save his job.

the stat knocking about this morning that spurs achieved a higher xg at old trafford than man utd have done so far this season in their combined home games was a bit misleading as they got stuffed by lpool as well as spurs, but even so 3 home games and have created feck all

wouldn't hold too much store on that - Utd had the 3rd highest XG in the league going in to yesterday...and still 5th after yesterday..

at home as in fortress old trafford i thought it interesting especially when the first game was only won at the death, they'd be on 5 pts had that effort not got toe poked in, they are on borderline relegation form

and if they'd they'd reaped their XG they'd be on rather more than they are now..

xg figures are interesting but of very limited value..Utd don't have any consistent attacking players therefore won't likely live up to their own xg in games over time..add that to still shaky looking defence and they are struggling..(Xg against 17th in the league)

he probably has two (tough) games to save himself at Porto on Thursday and Villa next weekend..and can have no complaints if the decision is made at that point if results aren't good..

Honky Joe (11:45) succinctly nails it in a few paras. I’m hoping Wilcox is seeing exactly the same as you Joe.

For now we just need a manager who will bring stability, who will make us hard to beat, hard to break through. Let’s get some clean sheets and bring confidence back to the players. Let’s get them playing with a smile on their faces. Yeah, I know that’s cutting the players a lot of slack but we have to turn this round and we have to do it quick.

For the future, I would go with the Abrahmovic model. Give a manger a target at the beginning of the season and if he fails then show him the door, even if he wins a cup. Finish 8th? - Fired.
We should always have the next manager lined up as the current one is only going to stay in his job as long as he meets his target. And if at any point in the season it looks obvious he’s not going to achieve those targets then fire him there & then. Keep the back room staff the same, but always be monitoring their performances as well. New manager can just bring in a couple but no more. Keeps the costs down.

People used to say it was chaos under Roman and yet while he was the boss Chelsea won more trophies than any other English team. I’m hoping that this is going to be the start of the new management team showing their ruthless side.

Next in for me -  Tuchel or someone who is going to bring some order to this sh*tshow.

brentford, in those 2 games it would not surprise me if they get results and the thing rolls on, if they do lose to porto and are humiliated as they were in europe last term then he won't be at villa

I like Tuchel as a coach but they had the chance to bring him in and chose not to..

he's a notoriously prickly character and also likes to have a large say over team direction with transfers (reason he left Chelsea) which goes against everything they are trying to install currently. They also want a stability that is counter to the Abramovich model and Tuchel hasn't stayed in jobs long in recent years..

'Surprising' to see some back on here after a quiet couple of weeks......

Yesterday's 1st half was probably in the bottom 3 I've ever seen in terms of a Man Utd team playing football. Simple 5 yard passes going astray, no efforts to close down or tackle and nearly every time a Spurs player was in the vicinity we looked terrified.

Despite that, before the red card I felt we could still win. Though that would have been papering over 56 mile wide cracks, Spurs still let us get into good positions but we failed to capitalise. The red was harsh but was a wild swipe to deliberately foul, which I dislike massively. Also have to consider that we got away with one v Palace (Martinez).

Ten Hag is clearly under massive pressure, though the players seem to have escaped blame - nearly all of them were dire yesterday. I felt there was an improvement for a few games earlier this season but the last 2 games have been back to last season's tactics and standards. Everyone knows if there was a decent option in the summer we'd have changed manager and it still looks like there aren't any stand out candidates available.

Let's face it we'd be better off with Big Sam till the end of the season.

That's how bad things have got.

Nothing surprised me about yesterday, he should have gone in the Summer and although he was praised at the end of his first season I thought and said on here at the time that the success we had in his first season was built pretty much entirely on Rashford's extraordinary performances and we had to expect a reversion to the mean which we got ..and some.

It's true that it is a sh1t show from top to bottom and sucessive managers always come in and end up going the same way as the previous one, but it doesn't mean that you must stop trying to find the right one....the search continues.....

I would have had Tuchel in the summer (and a bit before that) but there was obviously a reason why either he or our new board didn't want that to happen.

I like the point made about managers being judged on league position but players should be in the same boat too. Far too many are given big wages and contract extensions without achieving anything of note - and it's not as if other clubs are queuing up to buy them. Let's be honest, any player at Utd for longer than 3 or 4 years has failed in terms of getting us to a consistently high place in the league and should be replaced.

a new manager is not the answer to uniteds deep rooted problems - whoever takes over after ten haag and he does need to go- faces the same problems that started towards the end of fergursons era.

thats over a decade over decay and mis strategic management. it needs to change from the top down and until that changes the ghost of fergerson past will continue to haunt the theatre of dreams.

for what its worth i think you could do a lot worse than tuchel and if you think fat sam is the answer then you are doomed

We need to stop buying dross hoping by some miracle they'll come good

We should only buy real quality and fill the rest of the team with freebies who will run through brick walls for the shirt.

its deeper rooted than just the failed purchase policy nobby- the problem is the owners/ executive team -totally useless-no investement in the youth or the infastucture.

problem is how do you change the idiots that have caused the decline

i could write a book on it - how to destroy a top football club in 5 easy lessons

the weird thing is a liverpool fan brought up to dislike united intensley i hate to see such a great club in decline - weird or what

We should only buy real quality and fill the rest of the team with freebies who will run through brick walls for the shirt.


But this is what ye have done and this is where its gotten you....

IMHO there are some basic rules. Most great teams and managers have followed these rules (give or take a few small exceptions)

1. Buy young hungry players.
2. Never buy a player from a historically bigger club or even a club on your level (Madrid, Barca, Bayern etc...). They think they are doing you a favour rather than being over awed to join a big club that young players are.
3. Attitude is as important as ability
4. Attitude is developed by the dressing room as a whole. It cannot be bought.
5. Any player who shows a dodge attitude or wants out is moved on immediately.
6. Work rate will trump quality 99.99% of the time. Work rate and Quality together are the golden chalice.
7. Never buy or sell too many players in one go/transfer window. It causes too much upheavel in the dressing room (See point 4)

are u fergurson RQ ?

Thats what he did in the main

Thats good criteria in fairness RQ.

Ten Hag is gone ,  no manager can go so low and hold control of the players.

When this happens certain players speak up and defend him in meetings etc and gain the managers gratitude going forward.
It explains why certain players are never dropped no matter how crap they play.
Add in that he cant take on certain big names through being so weakened and you have maybe three or four players that shouldnt be playing.

Keeping him on is just delaying the inevitable and sabotageing another season.

Whoever comes in needs to hold players accountable immediately,

Players like Rashford jumping out of the challenge for the first and Dalot giving up on his man rather than run another 10 yards should be hooked straight away even if it is the first few minutes.

Standards are always talked about by Ten Hag but he does nothing to uphold them and hold players accountable.

How long has Rashford been jumping out of tackles or midfielders letting runners go without following them.
They all know they will be picked next game no matter.

Ten Hag is too weakened now to try uphold them and the players would only revolt and down tools if he trys now.

Another reason if it was needed why he cant succeed here now.

To be honest, the youth system is now the one big ray of sunshine. The U-18s utterly destroyed the competition last year (they put 9 past Liverpool!!), and the club is continuing to buy up youth, even snatching players earmarked for Real. I think INEOS are realistic about what they've got, and are thinking it won't be possible to really turn things around until the next cycle. Three years time the club might be starting to cook, but getting from here to there without the club becoming a laughing stock in the meantime is the real challenge.

Agree OD. Whoever comes in needs to have the club's permission to shout at players, and to bench them or sub them off if they aren't doing everything that the manager is asking of them. And that needs to be applied to every single player at the club without exception.

I know Roy Keane hasn't been the greatest as a manager, but there's a part of me that would love him to go in there and rant at a few of them for a month or two. Some of those players need a rocket or two.

United have not bought real quality for years

How many new players come in and look quiet good though and then tail off after a few weeks or months.

For me they come in excited and ambitious to do well but the realisation after a period that theres no accountability or standards in the club and they drop off too and soon become part of the problem.

Anyone not playing to full effort whatever about form should be shipped at the first opportunity .
Im sick of players half arsing it .

Football teams do seem to be a case of all or nothing. If you have a few players who can't be half-arsed, the newer players soon start dropping their own standards, because they know that their hard work will be futile unless everybody else is working to the full.

That's why our biggest problem is the attacking unit. Several of them are only interested in lurking at the opposition end of the field, and then putting in the odd run when they sense the chance of a goal and glory. But because they aren't busting a gut to press or to drop back and help defensively, it's allowing the better teams to consistently outnumber us in our own half. You can already see some of our new players thinking 'God, we're getting swamped again'. They remember what happened against Liverpool, and they're already letting their commitment levels fall because they know they'll be fighting a losing battle. It's difficult to take on 10 highly-motivated players when there are only 7 or 8 of your own side playing.

In a nut shell Joe.

The standards are so high now even one player not on it and it becomes an uphill battle.

When you have Rashford not cclosing down or putting in a tackle and stepping out of challenging for headers and Bruno playing hot potato its impossible to keep possession or win it back and the rest are then constantly under it.

I see Inios have today given their full backing to Ten Hag so even more standards dropped.

In fairness to Inios, it's going to cost around £17M just to sack him!  And prising somebody else away from their club and then allowing them to make a few changes to the squad in order to accommodate their own ideas won't be cheap. For a club running at a sizeable loss, and struggling just to stay within the FFP rules, another manager's something they'll want to avoid at all costs. Seems inenvitable now, though.

We can get a caretaker in.

If the caretaker does well they could be given a rolling 1 year contract. We are, or we were, Manchester United; coaches should be falling over themselves to have a crack at that whip.

I think we need to be realistic here. It's been over a decade since we had any real success. There are some good players, but also a lot of not really good enough ones who won't be easy to shift from the payroll for a year or two. We don't have a lot of money to spend to fix the problem, and we're stuck in a very competitive league where we'll probably have to be playing very well just to get back into the top four, let alone compete for the league title.

It won't necessarily be that easy to get a top coach to come to us. And if they do, they won't necessarily be able to crack the whip over the players unless we have other good players coming in to replace them. This is really a job that needed Qatar's money. Whether Sir Jim can do more than keep us bumping along for the next few years is highly questionable.

Look at Bayern. You'd have thought they'd have managers strapping on the lederhosen in their desperation, but they couldn't find anyone decent and ended up with Kompany.

I doubt it will cost 17m to get rid. That would be the entire salary. They must have demanded a low pay off clause in the event of early sacking when they renegotiated with ETH in the summer. If they didn't do that they are complete mugs.

United have bought another 3 donkeys in de Ligt, Ugarte and Zirkzee. The first two are criminal signings. Both surplus to requirements at other big clubs which should ring alarm bells but United come in and save the day with a big fee. The worry is that INEOS sanctioned these signings and they smack of the same cluelessness as signing a past-it Casemiro, Ronaldo and Varane on monster wages, helping out other big clubs who must have thought they'd won the lottery with fees that no other club would pay. More ex-Ajax players in De Ligt and Mazraoui and another Dutchie in Zirkzee who doesn't score enough goals to be any different to the attackers they already have.

There are very few players I would keep in that squad. Mainoo, Garnacho, Martinez that's about it. Bruno is 30 so best to bin him for a fee while you still can. Prob added another 2 years to the time it will take to sort out with the signings this summer.

So you think the 17m fee is not true because Ineos would have to be mugs to agree to that, but then proceed to outline a transfer policy that you think only mugs could come up with?!

I would be very surprised if Ten Hag agreed to a contract that allowed him to be dismissed for a low fee. The guy's stubborn as hell, and while that's a disadvantage when it comes to finding a good playing-style, it should serve him well when it comes to his bank account.

But even if we can get rid of him for around £8-10M, that's still substantial money that's got to be added to the big sums that we'll need to lure a good manager. And we'll then have to find a load more to buy that manager the signings they'll say they need to turn this squad into a finely-tuned winning machine.

We're really struggling to keep on the right side of FFP as it is. If we offload the manager, we'll likely be giving Ruud a chance or plumping for Potter, or maybe Southgate...

Just on the Martinez issue, he's been pretty poor in several games this year. He was awful on Sunday, and made a string of very poor decisions. Has he suddenly become rubbish, or is it that the team setup is leaving us overwhelmed in the midfield and defence? I'd say more of the latter, and with that in mind, it's possibly a bit early to be writing off our new signings.   If we judged players after a few games in the Premier League, we would have got shot of both Schmeichel and Vidic almost immediately.

Matt Busby from Lanarkshire, a former Manchester City and Liverpool player, became manager of Manchester United #OTD 1945.


Imagine the outrage today if manager had those credentials

It's a nonsense to evaluate the new signings on such a small sample size in a team that's struggling and under a lot of pressure..

Ugarte (one PL start) simply wasn't a fit for what Luis Enrique wanted in his holding MF role (s)..he wanted a more technically gifted ball player in there...Utd needed more energy and tenacity..

De Ligt had thousands of Munich fans signing a petition to keep him which whilst it's no guarantee of quality suggests he was hardly a member of the keystone cops defending society - they wanted to free up funds as well and Kompany didn't view him as a must keep player...Utd aren't currently close to Munich and don't have either the appeal or indeed the funds to sign the very best currently.

Zirkzee is not an out and out goalscorer as Koeman has referenced in the past and has to build some relationship with the players around him - again not easy for a young player in a team lacking confidence and stability.

When Fergie bought the likes of Ince and Pallister, they were ridiculed by media and opposing fans alike during their early struggles...
both went on to become great players for Utd and a crucial part of multiple title winning teams.

You look at Liverpool and Diaz, Nunes, Gakpo all had mixed performances through some of their first 18 months even and that was in a team full of confidence and with 5 or 6 proven top class experienced pros leading the way..

Jackson at Chelsea looked hopeless in front of goal last year...can't stop scoring now...

brentford, as the cupboard is bare the new manager will have to get s tune out of the current squad + academy.

In future we are going to have to copy the Juve, Barca & Real transfer policy; hold out for free signings and only spend cash on pure proven quality.

To be fair, Bayern got Erik Dier in on loan who leapfrogged De Ligt within a couple of weeks. That should have been a bit of a red flag imo. Again though, for me at least, it's not about quality but playing a system that suits. De Ligt looks really slow. Slower than Maguire slow. And Utd don't have great pace around him. So therefore you've got to drop back and play a bit deeper otherwise he'll get exposed. You just have to. To combine the high defensive line with a midfield that simply refuses to put a foot in is just comedy level coaching.

Not sure about Ugarte yet. Only thing I know about him is that he was in the PSG team last season but then had some kind of all-time shocker at AC Milan and lost his place. And you can't really make a decision on Zirkzee yet surely. It's ridiculous that he's been thrust into the fray so soon but hardly his fault.

De Ligt is nowhere near as slow as you are suggesting, porcu'..whilst he's not quick that 's just plain wrong in my opinion..

the lack of speed and athleticism in the team which as a whole I know you referenced in an earlier post is certainly correct but is only exposed so much due to Ten Hag's insistence of a high press..and advanced full backs with only one genuine holding MF'er..

defenders can't compress the gaps between the lines because they are too fearful of getting caught in behind and the MF doesn't have the athleticism to cover the large gaps that develop..it's been said by plenty that it needs to be more compact...but he seems un-willing to change his fundamental approach with the noteable exception of a handful of games against very top sides...including the Cup final..

If Southgate got the gig (I hope he doesn't personally) the very first thing he'd do is reign in the full backs a bit  and play with two holding midfielders..

Inzaghi who I see got a mention in the papers probably goes 3 at the back and wing backs...both systems more suited to the personnel.

HonkyJoe 01 Oct 24 00:48 
In fairness to Inios, it's going to cost around £17M just to sack him!  And prising somebody else away from their club and then allowing them to make a few changes to the squad in order to accommodate their own ideas won't be cheap. For a club running at a sizeable loss, and struggling just to stay within the FFP rules, another manager's something they'll want to avoid at all costs. Seems inenvitable now, though.


Ines are another example of an obviously smart outfit immediately turning into dunces the moment they become involved with a football club.

They choose to stick with the manager after openly courting other suitors on the strength of one single game and dismissing the greater body of work, something that Ratcliffe would never do in his general business.

He gives him another year and makes it more expensive to sack him now whilst at the same time making hordes of Old Trafford staff redundant in order to save money!!!!!

Go figure!!!!

He gives him another year and makes it more expensive to sack him now whilst at the same time making hordes of Old Trafford staff redundant in order to save money!!!!!

Penny wise Pound foolish

Urgh! Will our bad luck never end? Bruno red card has been overturned.

it was never a red in the first place. shocking decsion

Yeah but this means he’s now available for 3 more games. Will our luck never change?

Pleased for him. Up there with the worst reds ever.

I'll be very disappointed if EtH is still in post next Monday lunch time.

Ratsh!t surely can't let this purgatory go on

How come the situation even exists where a decision can be rescinded when in effect VAR on the day should itself be providing the review panel on original decisions.

Further evidence that the people in situ aren't fit for purpose and VAR itself needs another VAR to look at "its" decisions afterwards.

^^^ very good point ^^^

Perhaps Howard will explain!

Yet another underwhelming performance.

Just 1 defeat in 6 games, goals flying in from all sources during that time in end-to-end matches. A valuable point away in our toughest European fixture in a hostile stadium, despite being down to 10 men. We are also unbeaten in that competition. Players coming back from injury either in the next game or due back straight after the international break will give us a full squad to choose from and we are still in all 4 competitions.

Thanks for the entertainment Utd - keep it up!

Process going well, send more money.

In all seriousness Ten Hag is gone.
There is just no coming back from where he is now when every decision every draw and every defeat will be just more questions and pressure.

8ts actually unfair on him and on the players to be putting them through this limbo and pressure.
It's also not fair on us the fans to sit watching the same "tactics" game after game for two years now with no hope of it work8ng out or being tweaked to make it a bit better.
It seems Inios are quiet prepared to write off another season rather than sack a manager who has clearly lost his reasoning and focus to try prove that his system will work.
It won't.


It's  just the same clueless headless football game after game and if the new Inios football people cant see that then questions have to be asked of their suitability.

My big worry is they know quiet well how bad it is but are happy to let it sink further in the belief someone like Southgate will be more palatable to the fans the worse it gets.

They showed in the Summer that they are partial to what the fans think when they naively got carried away with the Cup win and foolishly rowed in with the knee jerk fan polls that wanted to keep him.

If they are still inclined to listen to fan sentiment then Southgate won't be let anyway near the place, the reaction will be x10 what many thought about Moyes, the Butcher won't be sending over one plane, it will look like the Battle Of Britain over OT!!!

At this stage of the season I think any new coach should be temporary and would have to electrify the squad to even get an interview for next season.

Ratcliffe tells BBC sport that decision over ETH's future is "not my call"

Asked if he still had faith in former Ajax boss Ten Hag, Ratcliffe told BBC Sport: "I don’t want to answer that question."

Just waiting for one of the new hotshots to get the push...probably Wilcox, you'd think that his position would be untenable and he can't be happy particularly as Ashworth and Berrada have openly thrown him under the bus even though they would have been well and truly involved in keeping the manager.

Mctom. Scored in first minute tonight.lukaku 2nd.

Ex players doing great

Can Man Utd atone tomorrow? Otherwise, the insinuation by the owner that he does not make the decision about manager decision (a panel at the club does) could be activated by the people concerned. But, I think Man Utd will come to Ten Hag's rescue tomorrow.

Win, lose or draw this has to be EtH's last day at Old Trafford.

The team are an absolute utter shambles. £616m has been p!ssed away and we have a Championship side.

The 'executive team' that Ratsh!te has assembled need to grow some balls and sack this Dutch gimp today.

Ratcliffe is confirming he is worse than the Glaziers.

They need to lose today,sell 10 players including keeper,try 3/4 kids,buy 2 at Xmas,

Playing Evan’s and Maguire after being given 616 m to spend is shocking,

He has no idea what he’s doing,no one buy has been good,even a crap manager has a 50% strike rate.

2 more years ,another 500 million ,plus new ground,even that will break ratcliffe glaziers.

Kit man would do a better job.

Millions of fans will be anxiously watching today desperately hoping for an improved performance from United.

Very few of them will be United fans though

Manu
14th
Is that a
RECORD?

Playing Evan’s and Maguire after being given 616 m to spend is shocking,

motm evans,so that will tell you everything about the rest

and he deserves it prob the only player that plays with proper desire, the rest are freeloaders

With EtH still in post it's becoming clear that Ratsh!t and Ineos will have to go too

Just wen you thought things couldn't get any worse...

Van Nistelrooy on standby with Ten Hag’s future to be decided at meeting

Sir Jim Ratcliffe to meet senior colleagues in London
Ruud van Nistelrooy seen as potential caretaker option

Erik ten Hag’s future as the Manchester United manager will be decided at an executive summit headed by Sir Jim Ratcliffe in London on Tuesday, with his assistant, Ruud van Nistelrooy, favoured as a caretaker replacement should a change be made.

The meeting, a regular diary appointment, is expected to be attended by Ratcliffe, who controls the football department, and include Omar Berrada, the chief executive, Dan Ashworth, the sporting director, and Jason Wilcox, the technical director.

While there was no indication internally at the club on Monday that Ten Hag is to be sacked, the Guardian understands that should the decision be taken, Van Nistelrooy is a potential caretaker if time is needed to appoint a permanent replacement.

If the former United forward impresses he may also be considered as Ten Hag’s permanent successor. In December 2018 Ole Gunnar Solskjær took over as caretaker when José Mourinho was removed as United’s manager. Due to the side’s impressive form under the Norwegian he was appointed permanently on a three-year contract, the following March.

Van Nistelrooy, who became Ten Hag’s assistant in July, managed PSV Eindhoven for all but one match of the 2022-23 season, winning the KNVB Cup. In the summer Thomas Tuchel was interviewed by Wilcox in Monaco regarding potentially replacing Ten Hag. The German has not been formally approached by United’s football executive about doing so if Ten Hag is removed now, it is understood.

When asked last week about Ten Hag’s future, Ratcliffe indicated he would leave any decision to the executive. “I don’t want to answer that question,” said the billionaire, who owns 27.7% of United. “I like Erik, I think he’s a very good coach but at the end of the day it’s not my call.

“It’s the management team that’s running Manchester United that have to decide how we best run the team in many different respects. But that team that’s running Manchester United has only been together since June or July. They weren’t there in January, February, March or April – Omar, Dan, they only arrived in July.”

Other potential permanent successors to Ten Hag include the Brentford manager Thomas Frank.

The article in the last post is absolute waffle. A meeting planned ages ago is now one where 'ten Hag's future will be decided'. Did Sir Jim tell the Guardian this or have they just made it up?

In response to Evans and Maguire playing, if ten Hag was confident he had time on his side he would have kept to his 'plan' of pairing Martinez and de Ligt. Seems like he knew a defeat would be potentially fatal for his future so he went short term to get a result.

Most newspaper articles are waffle.

Some though have an element of truth.