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Report duffy November 28, 2021 5:46 PM GMT
We know that Ronaldo won't fit with Rangnick, so, in a bid to keep his job Carrick is trying to show the new manager that he isn't frightened to leave him out.Grin
Report duffy November 28, 2021 6:26 PM GMT
Lacked quality when we did have the opportunity to attack but on the whole a massive improvement in terms of being hard to beat, more compact, nastier, and more organized.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2021 6:38 PM GMT
I thought we were awful.  Got away with a very lucky draw having hardly had a shot ourselves and what one corner to their 15?

That said a bit unlucky I think that Wan Baissaka didn't see Silva and took a swing to boot it away but obviously caught him.

Blimey I don't know where to start but yes the defence did hold strong and only conceded to a penalty but going forward we were shocking (specially first half just awful).  Ronaldo came on for half an hour and touched the ball about twice.

Yet the new manager will come in and suddenly Chelsea won't be all over us and we'll have loads of shots will we .......... with those same players?   Not for me.
Report duffy November 28, 2021 6:41 PM GMT
Lou,

Please take it from me, that was a better performanceGrin
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2021 6:44 PM GMT
duffy

Well we all have our own opinions so fair enough but for me I thought we were very poor, Chelsea far better and United hardly having a touch in the last third of the pitch?  Sorry I just don't agree.
Report duffy November 28, 2021 6:53 PM GMT
You have to judge it relative to the opponent and Chelsea are top notch right now.

If we had faced this Chelsea side in the guise we've been most recently we would have been ripped apart with big open spaces all over the shop. I said that we lacked quality when we did have a chance to attack but we'll worry about that in due course, the first job was to to be compact, organized and committed, all things that should be a given, but for us, haven't been, today they were.

Chelsea had to beat us today if they wanted the points, it wasn't going to be handed to them, they couldn't do it and for their part, the substandard strike force in crucial moments will catch them out, they can't rely on midfielders and wing backs to keep scoring all their goals.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2021 7:02 PM GMT
Yes hard to beat today agreed but blimey I expect a lot more than that this is Manchester United not Wolves.
Report elise November 28, 2021 7:06 PM GMT
let us know when you eventually realise they are cr@p
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2021 7:07 PM GMT
elise

Oh I know we are, been saying it for a few years and no new manager is going to make any difference with those players.
Report duffy November 28, 2021 7:32 PM GMT
Lou,

Hopefully in the coming months you will see the difference a better manager makes to a team.Grin
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2021 7:54 PM GMT
Hopefully ............. I just don't think I will.
Report rommel November 28, 2021 8:04 PM GMT
lou Alice knows more than you
Report rommel November 28, 2021 8:04 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1DUB3JvIg
Report the_don November 28, 2021 8:44 PM GMT
Played 2 decent teams away from home this week so a win and a draw not too bad. Not much else to say other than that really - not great performances - I actually think Fred has been the best player which says it all about the approach really. If it is Rangnick coming in I think he will play a lot.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 28, 2021 9:12 PM GMT
don

Yes I agree two not great performances whatsoever yet somehow they've got away with them.

Funny with Fred, he gets stuck in and breaks things up but on the ball he's rubbish.  Look at that attempt at a chip today, by all means just miss it too high or too low but he just basically played it straight back to the keeper.  Awful.
Report cruso November 28, 2021 9:26 PM GMT
The difference today was that although Utd knew they were the inferior team, they didnt just hand the game over on a silver plate.
Report PLACEWISE November 29, 2021 1:57 PM GMT
Didn’t really see much difference can’t take a game to the opposition for more than a five ten minute spell reliant on other teams errors was bit better at back but that’s because at times it was a back six still reliant heavily on keeper

Will be interesting when they play supposedly inferior opposition and have to win the game not take a draw as a positive result
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 2:48 PM GMT
Placewise

Totally agree.  Sack Solskjaer, get another manager in ................. result?  Absolutely the same performance again and held on due to so many in defence.

They're going to try ANOTHER manager now ................. let's see if there's any difference using that same squad of players.  Bet there's not, they'll still finish 4th/5th which we knew pretty much at the start of the season.
Report duffy November 29, 2021 3:50 PM GMT
Not trying to herald a bright new dawn, no-one on here (as a United fan) is more critical of them than me, but, taking that game in isolation, it's totally baffling how some couldn't see that that was an improvement on what has gone on lately, it wasn't even subtle.

It seems that if United aren't raging forward with their hair on fire at every moment scoring for fun then it must be a bag of sh1t.Laugh

That game yesterday compared to recent performances was chalk and cheese.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 3:52 PM GMT
duffy

That game yesterday compared to recent performances was chalk and cheese.

You mean IN YOUR OPINION  it was.  However IN MY OPINION it wasn't.  What makes you right?
Report rommel November 29, 2021 4:41 PM GMT
Utd did look up for it,running challenging...Ole free after all the stick,playing the lge leaders-not surprising,but its the mundane fixtures,will they just revert
Report PLACEWISE November 29, 2021 4:42 PM GMT
Think people might be getting bit carried away because that first half bar for maybe 5 to ten mins was as bad as any the only good thing was they didn’t concede but they were totally submissive if I was a fan I would be so annoyed thst the so called biggest club in the world are like a lower league team against most opponents

As I said be interesting when they play so called lesser teams and have to use the ball
Report PLACEWISE November 29, 2021 4:43 PM GMT
Think people might be getting bit carried away because that first half bar for maybe 5 to ten mins was as bad as any the only good thing was they didn’t concede but they were totally submissive if I was a fan I would be so annoyed thst the so called biggest club in the world are like a lower league team against most opponents

As I said be interesting when they play so called lesser teams and have to use the ball
Report rommel November 29, 2021 4:44 PM GMT
..there are some players who need to be shipped(my particular hobby-horse is rashford)
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 4:46 PM GMT
Place

Yes specifically in the first half United were absolutely woeful.  Did you see the stats at the end.  I think it was something like United SEVEN touches in the opposing penalty box and Chelsea had FIFTY THREE.

Ever so slightly one sided wasn't it ans some think that was improvement??  PMSL  LaughLaugh
Report PLACEWISE November 29, 2021 4:57 PM GMT
I can see why some saw it that way as a couple of players were pressing sporadically and when they scored  had a bit of possession my problem with them is they are meant to be a big team but teams like Southampton Brighton Leeds villa all go into games trying to win and trying to get hold of the ball

United seem to go into games and accept the opposition is better so let’s just hope they make a mistake and we can capitalize too passive no real plan or style very poor to watch
Report rommel November 29, 2021 5:04 PM GMT
LOU you got a fff draw at the lge leaders,youd been shipping 4 and 5 goals,fffff h,not an improvement?
Report PLACEWISE November 29, 2021 5:06 PM GMT
So did burnley
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 5:15 PM GMT
So did Burnley what??
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 5:18 PM GMT
Place

Again I agree, the likes of those smaller teams you mention all think they can beat us whereas up until a few years ago it was a forgone conclusion pretty much they wouldn't even have a shot, specially at OT.

Bar Ronaldo NOT ONE of the current team would get into a typical Fergie side.  They're just not good enough players full stop.  Once again at the weekend for instance, the great Bruno Fernandes ................. never done a thing.
Report PLACEWISE November 29, 2021 5:21 PM GMT
Burnley got a draw at chelsea sometimes it happens that a result can be gained and whilst it’s a improved result it doesn’t always tell the full story
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 5:24 PM GMT
Yes I mean let's be honest here that whilst the result was a draw (with United only getting a laughable 'Stevie Gerrard' mistake of a goal) Chelse were by far the better of the two.  Yet some say look at United's players and they're all really good players.  But how can they be ................ we're Eight in the league!

How far are we behind City, Bayern, Liverpool even Chelsea?

I'm a United fan, always have been for about 50 years but nothing wrong with simply being honest.  We're just not good enough by a long shot.
Report duffy November 29, 2021 5:30 PM GMT
LOU MACARIS TARTAN B 29 Nov 21 15:52 
duffy

That game yesterday compared to recent performances was chalk and cheese.

You mean IN YOUR OPINION  it was.  However IN MY OPINION it wasn't.  What makes you right?


Do you mean" what makes me right that it's an improvement in my claim that getting tonked last week by one of the worst teams in the league to largely frustrating one of the best teams in the world in their own back yard??Grin
Report duffy November 29, 2021 5:31 PM GMT
We're just not good enough by a long shot.

Who's saying otherwise????Confused
Report duffy November 29, 2021 5:39 PM GMT
Lou,

It's perfectly clear that you don't want to see any improvement, certainly not in the short term anyway because it would fly in the face of the narrative that you relentlessly push that a manager makes zero difference to a team.

You are desperate to shout from the rooftops "Look, new manager, same sh1te, look look, told you , manager makes no difference, it's the players I tell you, the players...Ole out PMLLaughLaugh
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 6:29 PM GMT
duffy

the performance was hardly good though was it.  We had something like 7 touches in their box to their 53 or whatever the figures were.  The first half was totally shocking.

Regarding new managers there are tests done over the years that show that a change of manager does nothing whatsoever.  Yes they may win three or four games (They're moaning about the great Rafa Benitez now yet how come he can't wave his magic wand?) and I for one totally agree with it as I've pointed out many times.

The great Conte took over at Spurs, so far they drew at the mighty Everton and never had a shot on target and only last week lost to a team none of us have ever heard of, the equivalent to a Margate FC.  Once again where is his magic wand?

Nothing to do with the actual blokes on the pitch kicking the ball is it!!! PMSL
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 6:40 PM GMT
Exactly what I've said all along. 

You're welcome!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-football-managers-make-a-difference-
Report Racingqueen November 29, 2021 6:42 PM GMT
Can anyone explain who decided to give Juan Mata a new contract and why?


Genuine question. They are top loaded with his type of player.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 6:51 PM GMT
Racing

Yes he's rubbish isn't he.  Never gets near the team, must be about 5th or 6th reserve at least so why keep him?

Someone must see his capabilities so why give him the contract.  There's been talk of him being some sort of Ambassador for the club.  Maybe because he's Spanish so appeals to a vast amount of Spanish speaking fans across the world who knows and he comes across as ever so 'Nice' maybe that has something to do with it but playing wise simply nowhere near good enough.
Report Racingqueen November 29, 2021 7:23 PM GMT
He was a decent player allbeit not top class and I now fully understand why Jose chucked him at Chelsea.

He's 33 now though and as you said must be about 9th or 10th in the pecking order.

Whoever is making these decisions at Old Trafford is the real problem
Report Racingqueen November 29, 2021 7:23 PM GMT
He was a decent player allbeit not top class and I now fully understand why Jose chucked him at Chelsea.

He's 33 now though and as you said must be about 9th or 10th in the pecking order.

Whoever is making these decisions at Old Trafford is the real problem
Report olddesperado November 29, 2021 7:58 PM GMT
Ole himself stated that Juan Mata could decide his future himself.

If he wanted a new contract the club would give him one but if he wanted to leave for first team football they wouldn't stand in his way.

Jobs for the boys ,  tying up a squad place with a veteran that was never going to play.
Report olddesperado November 29, 2021 8:01 PM GMT
However Mata is reported to be unhappy with not getting play time so he's probably another that ole lied to about giving more playing time to.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 29, 2021 8:16 PM GMT
Mata's too slow, too small, easily pushed aside and just not good enough.  I'd rather Fred than him and that's saying something.  Mind you to be fair give him his due Fred does have a great third touch!
Report HallGreenSpy November 29, 2021 8:22 PM GMT
Totally agree.  Sack Solskjaer, get another manager in ................. result?  Absolutely the same performance again and held on due to so many in defence.


FFs lou. If you don't think United yesterday was better than what they have been doing then you really know nowt. Yes , it is not easy on the eye but as Roy Keane said himsen, you are way off challenging for the league and at the mo are a cup team. Loved that spat between him and Carra yesterday and whilst both had valid points, I think Keane being United was a tad more real, whereas Carra, like most Pool fans enjoyed the wind up.
Report duffy November 30, 2021 4:14 PM GMT
I love Keane and dislike Carra, along with the most I'd have thoughtGrin, on the spat though I have to agree with Carra with practically everything he said.

Just one point to be made, what is practically the only thing that Keane has said throughout this dreadful time for United???

Effort!! Commitment!! Organization!! Challenges!!

Got all that yesterday...and he moans because Ronaldo, who we all know would compromise that and he moans about it.

That yesterday, you would have thought would be a stereotypical Keane performance...his reaction was confusingConfused
Report rommel November 30, 2021 4:36 PM GMT
see what you did there duff
Report lurka November 30, 2021 5:17 PM GMT
I agree with Keane when he said they didn't sign Ronaldo to try to win the league. They signed him because they didn't want him to go to City and it was a chance to bring back a legend and repair the owners' rep with the fans after the Super League. Also, despite his wages, he will probably generate nearly all if not more than what he will cost in increased global revenues and so it was a complete no brainer to sign him from the owners' point of view.

If they wanted to win the league they'd be signing a couple of midfielders for starters and a much younger striker like Haaland who can play every week. Signing a 36yo striker is not going to be the difference between 2nd and 1st for any team. Signing Varane and Sancho is more indicative of a desire to win the league than a 36yo striker. But anyone could tell you that they would not get any closer with the same midfield (and manager).
Report duffy November 30, 2021 5:45 PM GMT
Yes, agree with all that,

So much to say about the signing of Ronaldo, from the owners point of view it was manna from heaven because it killed about half a dozen birds with one stone. It would have overnight boosted the share price, increased revenue, improved relations with the fans, so much so that the Glazers felt comfortable in their seats at OT once again.

However, their miscalculation was that they didn't realize that the disruption his arrival would bring to the performance on the pitch (even if they had the capacity to contemplate this) would be as great as it has been, to the point where even the vanilla target of top 4 was in jeopardy.

So there is an irony in all this whereby the absolute one thing that they did not want to do in removing OGS has actually been brought on by their own actions and in so doing are forced to install a guy who will be more demanding of them and solely interested in the improvement of the playing side of the operation which will probably see the end of the Cash Cow, or (as he's actually turned out to be) Trojan Horse Ronaldo
Report Racingqueen November 30, 2021 6:03 PM GMT
Rangnick has to appear before panel after auto work permit approval rejected
Report duffy November 30, 2021 6:09 PM GMT
Perhaps the panel think that the taking of the United job is the "new" marrying someone just to get into the country before disappearing off the radarLaugh
Report Racingqueen November 30, 2021 6:19 PM GMT
Laugh


I'm sorry Mr Ragnick but there are plenty of people who can do this job already in the country.


Mr Woodward, let me introduce Mr Bruce, Mr Allardyce & Mr McClaren.....
Report Racingqueen November 30, 2021 6:21 PM GMT
They will just have to bite the bullet and make Rio Ferdinand the director of football / "Consultant"

LaughLaughLaugh
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B November 30, 2021 6:33 PM GMT
I'd like to know how we know for a FACT that United only bought Ronaldo so he didn't go to City?  Has anyone officially come out and said this or is just the papers and Forum guessing at it/making it up?

How do we know City wanted him so United bought him just to stop him going there?  Sounds absolute nonsense to me.
Report PorcupineorPineapple November 30, 2021 6:34 PM GMT
What a tool
Report rommel November 30, 2021 7:12 PM GMT
hate to say this but i think LOU has a good point
Report rommel November 30, 2021 7:17 PM GMT
if a big club were exposed for doing this i think it'd blow a hole in the entire transfer system
Report rommel November 30, 2021 7:24 PM GMT
what would the player think if he got wind of it or soon realised-as he would,he wasnt bought cos they had any plans for him as part of the team..just to spite the other club bidding
Report lurka November 30, 2021 7:45 PM GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if City weren't interested or only feigned interest or if it was just Ronaldo's agent putting out rumours because he wanted to generate interest from United. But United didn't show any interest until City reportedly did and there were reports of a call from Fergie to Ronaldo after that. United didn't go straight in and snap him up as soon as he was available anyway.

Either way the fans thought he was off to City and the board stepped in and scored some points with them, whether City were interested or not, and they were never going to bridge the gap by signing a 36yo striker when the defence and midfield esp were in much greater need of bolstering and still are.
More of a PR signing than one which would get them another 10+ PL points or make them a better PL team. His goals in the CL have been worth it tho, he's definitely made the difference in that comp.
Report the_don November 30, 2021 10:44 PM GMT
Pretty sure United only bought Ronaldo due to the City links. It was fairly common knowledge he was available from Juve but until City were mentioned there was no interest from United. The pursuit and purchase of Sancho wouldn't have happened if there was any thought of bringing Ronaldo back.

Of course it was a signing to create interest, headlines and revenue - and also to appease some of the fans. Despite what's been said recently that's what the Glazers want above all else - including on pitch success. A central midfielder was never coming in this summer as despite it being necessary for the squad, it wasn't necessary for the balance sheets. Unless a Zidane or Kaka had put their boots back on........
Report HallGreenSpy December 2, 2021 5:21 PM GMT
Interesting game tonight. Since Ole went, Carrick has had the whole team behind the ball with success of sorts. Not the United way of course. What happens tonight at home to Arsenal. Are the fans prepared to put up with this style of play at home? Surely, United gotta be a tad more adventurous?
Report olddesperado December 2, 2021 9:28 PM GMT
Absolutely embarrassing by de gea.

I have little girl cousins that are braver thàn him.

He's the softest cowardliest player I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Report Racingqueen December 2, 2021 10:16 PM GMT
Utd can only play counter attack with these players. They done't work hard enough and simply don't have the talent to play a proper passing game.

Problem is they will never win big trophies playing counter attack. Buying Sancho seems to have only added to this problem

The passing from both teams tonight was painful to watch.
Report olddesperado December 2, 2021 10:58 PM GMT
While still not great United put up another much improved performance and pick up the win against a team ahead of us.

Spurs much improved and win again.

Ole out
PMSL.
Report cruso December 2, 2021 11:06 PM GMT
Most important win of (PL) season so far..
Interesting decision from Carrick.... Leaves with the best win stats (albeit 3 matches)  in my view, now will be sought after and back as MUFC manager 5-10 years..
OD ...agree about De Gea should have bounced back up.
Although he nobbled De Gea for the first goal I think he was a shout for MOM..
Had to be Ronaldo though with no 800))801)!
4 Utd players have won the Ballon D`or ( or equivalent ) whilst playing for MUFC
Only 3 have a statue
Report rommel December 2, 2021 11:36 PM GMT
got to say i'm missing Ole,that arse puckering act he did on the touchline and he's thinking-how the ffff do i look like i know what i'm doing -then half time..shall i just point at the badge or remind them theyre playing for MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBAL CLUB(probably the biggest club in the world-if that reminds you of a lager dont drink it,its pish)
Report olddesperado December 3, 2021 9:57 PM GMT
Carrick did well in his 3 games and vastly improved his reputation but ultimately he made the right decision to walk away.

He will surely now get either a no.2 role or the main job somewhere whenever he wants to go back to work.

He's certainly more employable than ole.
Report olddesperado December 3, 2021 10:14 PM GMT
One of the biggest regrets from ole's time is the total stagnation or regression of some of the players especially the younger ones.

With the exception of lindolof everyone of the back 4 have lost their way eventually.
All now look as though they haven't a clue.

In midfield they have been awful but Fred in the Carrick era was much improved in his slightly different role.

He took a while but eventually broke Bruno too.

A good few never got a chance under him and some of the younger one's got away on loan.

But the biggest regret for me is what he has done to Rashford.

He looks a shadow of the 18 or 19 yo player he was and has lost any fight or determination he once had.
He now runs into blind alleyways and jogs back when dispossessed.
Never tackles or heads any more .

It could be fear or laziness or entitlement but whatever it is it should have been nipped in the bud early.
But because he was a favourite he knew he was always going to play no matter.

Hopefully Ralf can get a tune out of him but if not ship him out.

We have enough academy graduates who aren't good enough.
Report olddesperado December 3, 2021 10:27 PM GMT
I'm still embarrassed de gea is our keeper.

The softest of the soft that's ever played for united.

When I was playing I broke a bone in my arm and continued on without treatment.

Recently I had a 500kg horse stand on my foot and stay on it and while I did go down I still held on to her .
She didn't break anything but turned the whole foot from the ankle down black.

De gea had his light framed team mate trod on him and he curled up into a ball.

All this while on 375k a week.

I'd be embarrassed to face people if it did that in public.
Report rommel December 4, 2021 1:28 AM GMT
fwiw ive always thought rashford didnt have it,yes he had flashes,but his games been sussed out,hes just a v limited player,one dimensional maybe...its the luck of the draw if you get a squealer/diver but clubs should stamp on it,its too easy an out for grifters,stay on your fkn feet-never give in...that grit grows in a team,youre never beaten till the final whistle
Report Racingqueen December 4, 2021 9:02 PM GMT
I remember rashford going through one on one vs the keeper in the super cup vs real madrid and hoofing it straight at the keeper.
The shot just screamed soft/bottler.

I thought then he wouldn't be good enough for utd. nothing since has made me change my mind.

the clown was even telling the media he was a huge real fan this past summer....stay in your lane marcus, tell them you're an everton fan, thats your level.
Report Racingqueen December 4, 2021 9:05 PM GMT
shot at 7:25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqGUU89YsYY
Report duffy December 4, 2021 10:48 PM GMT
The shot just screamed soft/bottler.Laugh

shot at 4.05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JshHRkcUVz4
Report duffy December 4, 2021 10:51 PM GMT
There aint nothing wrong with his bottle, it's has OD intimates, he's taken his eye off the ball in his bid to save the starving kids (insert rolling eyes emoji)
Report olddesperado December 4, 2021 11:30 PM GMT
Duffy,  I really don't think it's anything to do with his charity work.

I'm guessing it's either entitlement from the ole era or the injury is still bothering him.

Either way the blame falls on ole because no way should he have been played in the latter half of last season and certainly shouldn't have been allowed turn up for the euro's before getting his surgery.
Report Racingqueen December 4, 2021 11:38 PM GMT
If you take the current Liverpool or Man City teams, can you name any period in Marcus career where he played well enough to get in any of those two current teams?

Hint: Never

He plays ok in a counter attack system to a point where his only real asset (pace) is useful.

He doesn't link up well with his attacking team mates. Its pretty much get the ball, run and shoot with Marcus
Report olddesperado December 5, 2021 12:10 AM GMT
Yes racing,   that's spot on.
And there in lies the conundrum.

He's not as good as the board or management believed so where or what from now.

A proper club would seriously consider getting rid.
United don't do that and will probably offer him a record breaking deal.

For united it's not about football any more.
Report Racingqueen December 5, 2021 1:13 AM GMT
Jose was talking about him on Sky Sports after he lost the Utd job and without ranting, he basically said the media give Rashford a pass saying he's a young player learning his trade (Utd youth players like Lingard, McTominey etc... always get this pass as well).

He said Rashford may be young but he has played more games than players 3/4 years older than him. You are talking about a player with 150 games

At some point you need decisive management to say the player isn't up to the required standard. As you said this is what Utd lack.

Genuinely only Ronaldo would get in either those 2 sides. Its simply staggering to hear people claim he is a problem at Utd.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 5, 2021 1:28 AM GMT
Racing I totally agree.

I've said many times on here that Rashford simply isn't good enough.  He should be in a 100m relay team because that's all he's good at.  He seems to run head down and almost try to simply barge through a couple of defenders.  He loses it time and time again.  For me, out of the two you surely must pick Greenwood who at least offers something?

I too agree about the City and Liverpool point you make.  Rashford wouldn't get in the City team though to be fair, apart from somehow having Ronaldo in it I don't think one other player would get in their team?

Who has the best Keeper?

Who has the best full backs?

Who has the best CH's?

De Bruyne/Gondogan/Rhodri in midfield ............... or Fred/Mctominay.Bruno?

Jesus/Mahrez/Foden up front ............. or Rashford/Martial/Greenwood?

Like for like (bar Ronaldo) they are better than United in every single position.  Our players simply aren't as good as theirs.
Report olddesperado December 5, 2021 2:02 AM GMT
Lou you claim to have me blocked buy your mainly replying to my posts.
Explain that ?
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 5, 2021 1:28 PM GMT
Wow look at the line up the new manager's picked.  That'll show em.  Solskjaer couldn't pick that lot so should be a big difference! ........................... oh hang on a minute!!
Report Racingqueen December 5, 2021 2:00 PM GMT
Ralfs at the wheel! Beep Beep! Laugh
Report duffy December 5, 2021 5:10 PM GMT
All United needed, a little bit of R and RGrin

Already turned Fred into a worldy.Wink
Report the_don December 5, 2021 6:07 PM GMT
The 3 games under Carrick had a couple of tactical changes from Solskjaer's reign but were similar imo, albeit with better results. There was a noticeable difference in approach today v Palace.

Obviously the idea is to keep the ball as far away from our goal as possible by pressing higher. Some will learn but others won't be suited to this and I can see us being wide open at times when the press doesn't work.

Hopefully the new manager can get his ideas across as quickly as possible. On paper the upcoming matches are against 'lesser' teams but with no real break between matches I can see it taking a good while.
Report Racingqueen December 5, 2021 6:14 PM GMT
One major improvement in Utd is getting Shaw out and bringing Telles in. Not the greatest left back but he's Roberto Carlos compared to Shaw
Report The Dragon December 5, 2021 8:58 PM GMT
rashford will get a new start with newcastle
Report duffy December 6, 2021 1:21 AM GMT
Obviously the idea is to keep the ball as far away from our goal as possible by pressing higher. Some will learn but others won't be suited to this and I can see us being wide open at times when the press doesn't work.

It will all be tailored to the opposition, at one point today Maguire and Lindelof were barely 30 yards from goal....their goal!!!!, that won't happen against a Liverpool, City and a few others.

A press doesn't always have to happen as soon as the keeper rolls it out to the full back.
Report rommel December 6, 2021 2:01 AM GMT
quick solution that will solve any and all of shaws problems,take that bathroom suite out from the back of his shorts-solved sorted-next
Report the_don December 6, 2021 7:49 AM GMT
It will all be tailored to the opposition, at one point today Maguire and Lindelof were barely 30 yards from goal....their goal!!!!, that won't happen against a Liverpool, City and a few others.

A press doesn't always have to happen as soon as the keeper rolls it out to the full back.



I understand that, hopefully others will too. The odd goal conceded when Maguire or whoever gets exposed on the half way line should be more than compensated by stopping attacks much earlier (if the tactic works as planned).

There will be different trigger points to press against different opposition and I think that due to lack of preparation time, even against teams lower down, there will be teething issues. I can accept that as part of a longer term view - let's hope other fans and pundits can see certain things are necessary.
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 6, 2021 7:49 AM GMT
I thought United started well then petered out a bit.  Definitely were pressing higher and yes I too noticed that at one point both CH's were about 30 yards into the opposition half.  That's ok but if there's a turnaround Maguire and Lindelof are hardly the quickest at getting back, specially Maguire so the other team get a free run at goal.  Watch this space.

Once again Rashford just tried to go straight through the middle of defenders without success but I was pleased that finally we had two attackers up the middle as we always have had from the 70's had up until the end of Fergie I suppose.  I've pointed out on here many times with Rashford/Martial hugging one touch line and Greenwood/Sancho hugging the other how is the CF supposed to do it all on his own up the middle surrounded by defenders?

One other thing, I'm not totally sure Fred even meant that goal.  He's all left foot and suddenly chips a looping one into the far corner with his non existant RIGHT foot?  I wouldn't be surprised if that was a cross for one of the forwards and it just dropped into the top corner.  No I'm not sure he meant that one but of course we'll take it.
Report duffy December 7, 2021 3:54 AM GMT
Hoorah.... I sort of agree with Lou on Fred's goal, something wasn't right about it, I thought he had lost his balance and was slightly falling backwads a bit and just lobbed it goal ward....we'll take it thoughHappy
Report LOU MACARIS TARTAN B December 7, 2021 1:38 PM GMT
duffy

There's hope for us yet!
Report rommel December 7, 2021 2:39 PM GMT
LOU hows it going at the space cadet academy,any chance that you'll ever graduate?
Report duffy December 7, 2021 3:59 PM GMT
romm,

We're back !!!

You better get back to your own thread and tell them this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohw1uI1NsmU

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Report rommel December 7, 2021 4:57 PM GMT
theres an old saying...summat about a swallow n summer or summat,it'll come to me
Report rommel December 7, 2021 5:17 PM GMT
another one...pigs an purse or summat
Report Racingqueen December 7, 2021 6:41 PM GMT
Laughed at Nevilles "Analysis" last night. All those stats comparing the palace game to Oles games this season......Never a mention that the players chucked it and didn't try a yard under Ole and how that might affect his "Stats" Laugh
Report rommel December 7, 2021 6:57 PM GMT
one game and duffy is running round with his pants on his head.....
Report olddesperado December 8, 2021 10:25 PM GMT
Good to see some changes for a change and a chance to see some fringe players and kids.

Played well first 40 then the pressing level and determination to win the ball dropped.

Anyway Henderson, Bailly,Dvb , Amad and Greenwood did themselves no harm at all.

A few others did ok but the big disappointments for me were AWB and Lingard.

It's par for the course for wan bissaka who I feel was as culpable as Donny for the goal but this style and speed should have suited lingard.

He just looked off it all night.
Report salmon spray December 8, 2021 11:10 PM GMT
Lingard doesn't want to look a world-beater or Utd can't let him go to West Ham in Jan.
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