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Reading between the lines and certainly what the market thinks is that Poch does not want to wait until the end of the season and run the risk of an interim manager coming in and going on a run and getting the job However unlikely that may be he won't want to rely on the Glazers not making e same balls up as they did when appoionting Ole in the first place.

Reckon he will now be moving heaven and earth to get out of PSG as soon as.

Zidane can replace him there...everyone happy...simples

Not sure he will want to try to be the one to awaken the sleeping giant after a career of winning nothing actually winning something this season might give him an appetite for winning things

it might..just might be a ploy to get more out of psg(by poch)

Doubt it rom...he's desperate for the job, you only have to recall the practical public begging audition he did live on air on MNF months back where he recalled his dining out with SAF to realize that.

It won't even be difficult because I don't expect PSG to be that boered as they will fancy Zidane, who will in turn fancy them and the fans won't mind either IMO

ah right duff thx...if i was a player or manager(multi millionaires),it'd be London/paris/barca/madrid.....

so psg happy,pooch happy,zz happy only utd doing yet another 24 hr u turn on interim manager looking like the fools reacting to other peoples events

I'm hearing Chelsea have appealed Maguires red card to the FA.

I've seen enough,   give him the job.

Poch did a good job at Spurs but won nothing,but Man U are hardly chasing titles these days ...8 years since they won the league and no chance in the next few years with Chelsea Man City and Liverpool streets ahead of them. Makes him a perfect fit unless they go for Brucie

season is over nearly for United bite BULLET   no rush  ......need to get it right this time  , more important to get players doing their job get paid for first and foremost .. as teamwork has been very rarely in the mix . Individuals wrong balls played all the time make me feel ... ILL  .. awareness of whats expected from the BIG STARS  .. is sadly not working as IT  should ..?  MK   .first attempt shows a recovery of sorts .. but OGS  10 games starter was though to be  be the answer .. Now we know better ..  THE NAMES  ? ... it appears is all that matters .. now we know better about that as well . Two dour Scotsmen are doing a job and travelled pretty near same Paths as ... BUSBY AN FERGUSON  ..Stand no nonsense  . you play it as you see fit and make the game easy or you will get .. HOOKED OFF   ......for maybe >?  if your lucky another day .. one is best qualified  INDIVIDUAL EX  FOOTBALL  PLAYER  ..?   Europe  .. for as far back as I can remember .. AND other  pretty dour Scot on the block ..   needs time but knows a lot about our BEAUTIFUL GAME  .. Would probably do it for mere expenses no HOLD UP FOR  DINERO ..  ?  back to old roads that took United  TO Serious Contenders,,,,,,on the WORLD STAGE  ..

Poch with a forward line of Messi Neymar and Mbappe made to look second rate by Man City

None of the three of them do any work or tracking back. Both City's goals came from men in acres of space in wide areas being found with quick switches of play and PSG couldn't cope because they were outnumbered with only 7 outfield players working despite being camped in their own final third most of the game and City needing goals.

Poch teams are high press high energy, so little he can do with PSG's squad and why i think he'll be gone before the KO stages. They have never played like they respect him as a manager and no improvement since he took over.

Yep Poch been their new manager for a season or so .............made no difference whatsoever!

Looks like wreck it Ralph new appointment

Looks like it's Rangnick for now. Good organiser, and an early pioneer of the Gegenpress. Most of today's top German managers cite him as one of their biggest influences. It'll be interesting to see what he can do with our players.  Still plenty of the season left!

and an early pioneer of the Gegenpress

That'll be interesting with our current group

Gingerpress?

It may well see off Pogba!!

i do hope this is all meeting with saf's approval

Whiskeys ALL round

Notwithstanding the fact I've just done my 50 quid on Poch , if we've got a bloke in that has a style that will frighten the life out of the current shower then that, at least cant be a bad thing....we'll see!!

just you lot spare a thought for Ole,he wont have had a moments peace since the announcement,job offers endorsements.....

It very much seems that both Klopp and Tuchel are a pair of Rangnick's b1tches.

The natural order of things is already starting to return to normal.

haha take that back ya beastie

you think this shower of c**** will like the vorsprung,you think poggers will tolerate the dorch?shaw the technik?

Nov 25, 2021 -- 9:18AM, LOU MACARIS TARTAN B wrote:

Yep Poch been their new manager for a season or so .............made no difference whatsoever!

You really are some tulip. PSG players have been underperforming for 1.5 years now under 2 different managers, having got to the CL final under the first one the previous year. I thought it was all simply about the players? Just pick the team and send them out every week? I suppose Messi Mbappe etc are not good enough too?

listening to johnny giles on otb am,players dont like interims cos they know he'll be gone soon

They won't like this bloke much...he'll be making them run around

That might be so normally, but this interim won’t be leaving will he ? He’ll still be there for another 2 years so any players downing tools in the next 6 months can expect their P45’s in the summer.

2 years is too long for an interim sounds like yep,but 2 years isnt very permnanet either,these little flowers need stability they need to know the next million is just roling in over the next few weeks

can i just check please, is tulip is a euphemism for d1ckhead?

if youre talking to me i didnae say tulips but flowers means d******* tw*** yep

ah my bad lurka above yep

Well Messi and Mbappe weren't any good last night were they son?

Like I said get 'The Great Poch' in yet a couple of seasons down the line .......they're no different!  They win an easy walkover league every year but in The Champions League they don't win it?  I know, how about they pick ANOTHER manager so then they will magically win it with the same players!!! PMSL

I'm not sure anyone can make PSG work. Tuchel couldn't turn them into the #1 side, and yet he seems to be doing pretty well at his latest club.

Too many superstars who know the board will back them over the 'manager'. I appreciate that there's an aspect of that at our club as well, but I imagine RR will get plenty of support from the people upstairs. Pogba might be an issue, but I suspect the club has resigned itself to him leaving in any case, so that's likely one issue done and dusted. Whether or not you think Ronaldo will be a problem probably comes down to whether you think he's still producing it at the top level. (Personally, I'm in the Pro-Ronaldo camp. As long as we treat him primarily as a goal scorer, he's still right at the top. Get the rest of the team humming, and we won't have many problems with Ronaldo!)

Another big problem for PSG is that the players are in a total arse-end of a league. If they can be bothered to play a bit, they'll likely scoop three points. That's not much motivation to be busting a gut week in and week out. When they play 90 minutes against a team who are used to putting in a shift most games most weeks, it tends to find them out.

He crucified Luke Shaw a couple of years ago on German TV

PSG are a circus.

Neymar supposedly has it in his contract he can take a holiday from games to go to his sisters birthday ffs

With proper management, they could develop as a real proper force in Europe but owners don't have a clue.

They seem infatuated with buying the best attacking players and thinking they can get buy buying castoffs for the other positions

echoes of Van Gaal. Brilliant a decade or so ago and a big influence on the current crop. Big question is if the game has left him behind.

Luke Shaw deserves to be (and should have been) dropped on his current form. But I hope RR looks at how good he was over the course of last year. If he can rediscover that form then he needs to be included. I've seen RR's comments on him, and I know they were from last year. However, it could be that RR might moderate his views somewhat if he looks back over last season.

rq.just to echo-the neymar could never end well,that bloated deal fh...

Good question Porcupine. One thing you could say about that is that Van Gaal's preferred playing style was already dead in the grave by the time he took over at our place. In contrast, many of RR's tactics are the same ones being used to great effect by most of today's best English and German sides. But yes, it could be that he'll look to play version 1.0 of his game when other managers have developed and crafted version 2.0, version 3.0 etc.

My concern would be that he hasn't been in charge of many (or indeed any) big clubs. Can he convince the players to buy into his philosophy?  And if he's so good, why hasn't he been snapped up by (at the very least) Bayern, or one of the top English, Spanish, or Italian clubs?

He seems interesting though, so I'll look forwards to seeing whether he can make anything of us. I've always felt we needed a Klopp to make us play at high intensity. Can he be the one???

Rangnick is the right type of appointment but more as a DoF than a manager. Despite influencing Klopp and Tuchel, I don't think he's ever been on their level and has been more of a DoF than a manager over the last 10 years. He's a bit old for a job as big as United.

But if he's staying on that will be a good thing as the next manager will likely have a similar style and Pogba will likely be got rid of which is very important for United. Not good news for Ronaldo and he might be a problem for any manager playing high-press but he won't be around too much longer. The likes of Sancho and Bruno should flourish under him. Prob Greenwood and Rashford too.

I see Spurs' new manager, the great Conte has started well with them, never had a shot at Everton and now got beat against a side literally nobodies ever heard of!

Perhaps they should change the manager after all it can't be the players fault can it!!

lou get some help

Not totally sure how this is going to work with Rangnick. Manager/coach until end of season and then what? He's previously said (and shown) that anywhere he goes he needs to have control and influence over several aspects of a club and I just can't see that happening at Utd - the Glazers like their 'yes men'. He's obviously been given some guarantees as to what happens after May but it's all a bit vague really.

On the pitch, his approach is a big contrast to how we've played and the type of players we have. So can't see his methods having time to take effect too quickly. If there's a transition being put in place in May for a younger coach to continue his work then that's fine by me, but will Rangnick have a say in who that is? From what I've heard, with this guy you have to either fully commit to his methods or not bother with him at all.

Van der Vaart the ex Spurs player now a pundit talking about Maguire.  It's pretty much exactly what I've been saying since we signed him and have pointed it out on here many times.

Recently, he branded Manchester United defender Harry Maguire "really s***" and says he's still completely stunned by the Englishman's £80 million price-tag.  "Where did [Man United] look for him? You'll find players like him at any amateur club in Holland," van der Vaart said.  "I think it is unbelievable. He is no top-class defender - and he demonstrates this every week. If you go out and sign players like him, I can understand why you end up having financial problems."

what a tool

Van der Vaart should probably stick to reading diet plans...

41 England caps suggests you are unlikely to find an equivalent in the Dutch amateur game...

brentford

I'm a United fan obviously so want him to do well of course for my team but you watch the matches, he's been awful hasn't he making mistake after mistake?  I've pointed out many times he's just a tall, good header of the ball but anyone who can go at him will leave him for dead as he's no speed whatsoever.  I don't know who the Brentford CH's are but surely there just as good as Maguire aren't they yet he's the Captain of Manchester United Football Club?

brentford

I'm a United fan obviously so want him to do well of course for my team but you watch the matches, he's been awful hasn't he making mistake after mistake?  I've pointed out many times he's just a tall, good header of the ball but anyone who can go at him will leave him for dead as he's no speed whatsoever.  I don't know who the Brentford CH's are but surely there just as good as Maguire aren't they yet he's the Captain of Manchester United Football Club?

Sorry that posted twice for some reason?

maguire has been embarassed so many times...

We know that Ronaldo won't fit with Rangnick, so, in a bid to keep his job Carrick is trying to show the new manager that he isn't frightened to leave him out.

Lacked quality when we did have the opportunity to attack but on the whole a massive improvement in terms of being hard to beat, more compact, nastier, and more organized.

I thought we were awful.  Got away with a very lucky draw having hardly had a shot ourselves and what one corner to their 15?

That said a bit unlucky I think that Wan Baissaka didn't see Silva and took a swing to boot it away but obviously caught him.

Blimey I don't know where to start but yes the defence did hold strong and only conceded to a penalty but going forward we were shocking (specially first half just awful).  Ronaldo came on for half an hour and touched the ball about twice.

Yet the new manager will come in and suddenly Chelsea won't be all over us and we'll have loads of shots will we .......... with those same players?   Not for me.

Lou,

Please take it from me, that was a better performance

duffy

Well we all have our own opinions so fair enough but for me I thought we were very poor, Chelsea far better and United hardly having a touch in the last third of the pitch?  Sorry I just don't agree.

You have to judge it relative to the opponent and Chelsea are top notch right now.

If we had faced this Chelsea side in the guise we've been most recently we would have been ripped apart with big open spaces all over the shop. I said that we lacked quality when we did have a chance to attack but we'll worry about that in due course, the first job was to to be compact, organized and committed, all things that should be a given, but for us, haven't been, today they were.

Chelsea had to beat us today if they wanted the points, it wasn't going to be handed to them, they couldn't do it and for their part, the substandard strike force in crucial moments will catch them out, they can't rely on midfielders and wing backs to keep scoring all their goals.

Yes hard to beat today agreed but blimey I expect a lot more than that this is Manchester United not Wolves.

let us know when you eventually realise they are cr@p

elise

Oh I know we are, been saying it for a few years and no new manager is going to make any difference with those players.

Lou,

Hopefully in the coming months you will see the difference a better manager makes to a team.

Hopefully ............. I just don't think I will.

lou Alice knows more than you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1DUB3JvIg

Played 2 decent teams away from home this week so a win and a draw not too bad. Not much else to say other than that really - not great performances - I actually think Fred has been the best player which says it all about the approach really. If it is Rangnick coming in I think he will play a lot.

don

Yes I agree two not great performances whatsoever yet somehow they've got away with them.

Funny with Fred, he gets stuck in and breaks things up but on the ball he's rubbish.  Look at that attempt at a chip today, by all means just miss it too high or too low but he just basically played it straight back to the keeper.  Awful.

The difference today was that although Utd knew they were the inferior team, they didnt just hand the game over on a silver plate.

Didn’t really see much difference can’t take a game to the opposition for more than a five ten minute spell reliant on other teams errors was bit better at back but that’s because at times it was a back six still reliant heavily on keeper

Will be interesting when they play supposedly inferior opposition and have to win the game not take a draw as a positive result

Placewise

Totally agree.  Sack Solskjaer, get another manager in ................. result?  Absolutely the same performance again and held on due to so many in defence.

They're going to try ANOTHER manager now ................. let's see if there's any difference using that same squad of players.  Bet there's not, they'll still finish 4th/5th which we knew pretty much at the start of the season.

Not trying to herald a bright new dawn, no-one on here (as a United fan) is more critical of them than me, but, taking that game in isolation, it's totally baffling how some couldn't see that that was an improvement on what has gone on lately, it wasn't even subtle.

It seems that if United aren't raging forward with their hair on fire at every moment scoring for fun then it must be a bag of sh1t.

That game yesterday compared to recent performances was chalk and cheese.

duffy

That game yesterday compared to recent performances was chalk and cheese.

You mean IN YOUR OPINION  it was.  However IN MY OPINION it wasn't.  What makes you right?

Utd did look up for it,running challenging...Ole free after all the stick,playing the lge leaders-not surprising,but its the mundane fixtures,will they just revert

Think people might be getting bit carried away because that first half bar for maybe 5 to ten mins was as bad as any the only good thing was they didn’t concede but they were totally submissive if I was a fan I would be so annoyed thst the so called biggest club in the world are like a lower league team against most opponents

As I said be interesting when they play so called lesser teams and have to use the ball

Think people might be getting bit carried away because that first half bar for maybe 5 to ten mins was as bad as any the only good thing was they didn’t concede but they were totally submissive if I was a fan I would be so annoyed thst the so called biggest club in the world are like a lower league team against most opponents

As I said be interesting when they play so called lesser teams and have to use the ball

..there are some players who need to be shipped(my particular hobby-horse is rashford)

Place

Yes specifically in the first half United were absolutely woeful.  Did you see the stats at the end.  I think it was something like United SEVEN touches in the opposing penalty box and Chelsea had FIFTY THREE.

Ever so slightly one sided wasn't it ans some think that was improvement??  PMSL 

I can see why some saw it that way as a couple of players were pressing sporadically and when they scored  had a bit of possession my problem with them is they are meant to be a big team but teams like Southampton Brighton Leeds villa all go into games trying to win and trying to get hold of the ball

United seem to go into games and accept the opposition is better so let’s just hope they make a mistake and we can capitalize too passive no real plan or style very poor to watch

LOU you got a fff draw at the lge leaders,youd been shipping 4 and 5 goals,fffff h,not an improvement?

So did burnley

So did Burnley what??

Place

Again I agree, the likes of those smaller teams you mention all think they can beat us whereas up until a few years ago it was a forgone conclusion pretty much they wouldn't even have a shot, specially at OT.

Bar Ronaldo NOT ONE of the current team would get into a typical Fergie side.  They're just not good enough players full stop.  Once again at the weekend for instance, the great Bruno Fernandes ................. never done a thing.

Burnley got a draw at chelsea sometimes it happens that a result can be gained and whilst it’s a improved result it doesn’t always tell the full story

Yes I mean let's be honest here that whilst the result was a draw (with United only getting a laughable 'Stevie Gerrard' mistake of a goal) Chelse were by far the better of the two.  Yet some say look at United's players and they're all really good players.  But how can they be ................ we're Eight in the league!

How far are we behind City, Bayern, Liverpool even Chelsea?

I'm a United fan, always have been for about 50 years but nothing wrong with simply being honest.  We're just not good enough by a long shot.

LOU MACARIS TARTAN B 29 Nov 21 15:52 
duffy

That game yesterday compared to recent performances was chalk and cheese.

You mean IN YOUR OPINION  it was.  However IN MY OPINION it wasn't.  What makes you right?


Do you mean" what makes me right that it's an improvement in my claim that getting tonked last week by one of the worst teams in the league to largely frustrating one of the best teams in the world in their own back yard??

We're just not good enough by a long shot.

Who's saying otherwise????

Lou,

It's perfectly clear that you don't want to see any improvement, certainly not in the short term anyway because it would fly in the face of the narrative that you relentlessly push that a manager makes zero difference to a team.

You are desperate to shout from the rooftops "Look, new manager, same sh1te, look look, told you , manager makes no difference, it's the players I tell you, the players...Ole out PML

duffy

the performance was hardly good though was it.  We had something like 7 touches in their box to their 53 or whatever the figures were.  The first half was totally shocking.

Regarding new managers there are tests done over the years that show that a change of manager does nothing whatsoever.  Yes they may win three or four games (They're moaning about the great Rafa Benitez now yet how come he can't wave his magic wand?) and I for one totally agree with it as I've pointed out many times.

The great Conte took over at Spurs, so far they drew at the mighty Everton and never had a shot on target and only last week lost to a team none of us have ever heard of, the equivalent to a Margate FC.  Once again where is his magic wand?

Nothing to do with the actual blokes on the pitch kicking the ball is it!!! PMSL

Exactly what I've said all along. 

You're welcome!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-football-managers-make-a-difference-

Can anyone explain who decided to give Juan Mata a new contract and why?


Genuine question. They are top loaded with his type of player.

Racing

Yes he's rubbish isn't he.  Never gets near the team, must be about 5th or 6th reserve at least so why keep him?

Someone must see his capabilities so why give him the contract.  There's been talk of him being some sort of Ambassador for the club.  Maybe because he's Spanish so appeals to a vast amount of Spanish speaking fans across the world who knows and he comes across as ever so 'Nice' maybe that has something to do with it but playing wise simply nowhere near good enough.

He was a decent player allbeit not top class and I now fully understand why Jose chucked him at Chelsea.

He's 33 now though and as you said must be about 9th or 10th in the pecking order.

Whoever is making these decisions at Old Trafford is the real problem

He was a decent player allbeit not top class and I now fully understand why Jose chucked him at Chelsea.

He's 33 now though and as you said must be about 9th or 10th in the pecking order.

Whoever is making these decisions at Old Trafford is the real problem

Ole himself stated that Juan Mata could decide his future himself.

If he wanted a new contract the club would give him one but if he wanted to leave for first team football they wouldn't stand in his way.

Jobs for the boys ,  tying up a squad place with a veteran that was never going to play.

However Mata is reported to be unhappy with not getting play time so he's probably another that ole lied to about giving more playing time to.

Mata's too slow, too small, easily pushed aside and just not good enough.  I'd rather Fred than him and that's saying something.  Mind you to be fair give him his due Fred does have a great third touch!

Totally agree.  Sack Solskjaer, get another manager in ................. result?  Absolutely the same performance again and held on due to so many in defence.


FFs lou. If you don't think United yesterday was better than what they have been doing then you really know nowt. Yes , it is not easy on the eye but as Roy Keane said himsen, you are way off challenging for the league and at the mo are a cup team. Loved that spat between him and Carra yesterday and whilst both had valid points, I think Keane being United was a tad more real, whereas Carra, like most Pool fans enjoyed the wind up.