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That what I said, Cavani alongside either Rash or Martial, bruno just behind.

Red

What about their other goal, corner comes over, beats everyone and Mctominay leaves his guy to head it in from two yards out at the far post.  Awful.

Red

Oh fair enough misunderstood that.  Yes I agree two up top, Bruno just behind.

every goal was avoidable but the second was criminal, scorer picked it up on halfway line with Matic alongside him, ran all the way into box having been tracked the whole way by Matic who never attempted a challenge at any stage, Fred made a last ditch attempt but it was as the guy was shooting, should never have got that far.

Yes Matic sort of cantered back, Fred made an effort to do something at least but all too late.

Maybe I will Lou, maybe I won't. But one of Brighton and United play positive attacking footie, the other does not and just seems to play percentage footie, getting much better results than their performanes have deserved. On this much we agree surely, as is the testimony of the very many critical posts by United fans on this thread would imply?

As I have stated many times before, I would have been really worried if United had recruited Poch, I think with his acumen and United's financial muscle, u would have once again been competing for the trophies worth winning, the CL and the PL.

That u have persisted with OGS, the classic lowly paid yes man, shows the limited expectations of your owners. Their sole ambitions are to keep the money from the gravy train rolling in, while paying out as little as possible.

Long may that continue.

push

I've had enough of reading your utter nonsense so another who I'll simply BLOCK so won't be able to see a word of it anymore.

bye bye lou. I am sure as the very many others that u have also blocked will testify, the pleasure was all yours!

How sad, lou in denial right to the end.

No matter whats said its not got one bit part better in all this time .. 8years .. Managers have not been on the cheap  .. far from it .. all got handsomely paid on exiting ..   Leicester are a very workmanlike outfit .. and result no surprise .. UNITED play with a fear factor built in as no one helps each other some really do very little and some HIDE   if the head goes down you hardly see them again .. Worst culprit at moment being   MARTIAL  a poor attitude if ball is taken off him .. and some of his antics wanting a foul  I
need to hide behind a corner .. GOOD PLAYERS  have come and happy to go as its not a happy environment to be part off and need a way out ASAP  .. most doing really better than they ever displayed at united . ....  THEY dont always do well in shirt on OFF DAYS  ..  no easy FIX  .. NOW    AFTER A BILLION QUID LOST  .. and a Stadium needing revamped and clean up .. ,

Here's the irony with the playing out from the back thing. Everyone does it because Pep does it and they all want to be trendy like him, the whole point of it is to drag the opposition on to you and create space and opportunities once you've successfully got out.

But here's the rub, it doesn't even work for City, they don't move the ball quick enough once they have achieved the initial part of the plan and aren't able to capitalize on space created and consequently we see them often struggling to break sides down endlessly moving from side to side.

Pep has continually tried to recreate his Golden Barca style of play and never more so than with his City sides, but the truth is that even with the quality he has had it just hasn't even come close to what is needed to achieve that level of quick moving play and when it doesn't work it can look tedious and City often look like that.

PLENTY of gripes about the game as it is for watching purposes .. really dreadful some of it  .go back to 2  3  5 .. and get it away from your goalkeeper ..many changes made in game have taken it backwards rather than the progress it was going to make .. I would never have BELIEVED  ..the money in the game as it still rumbles on ..  obscene payments . for what we have to watch .. Short life span we know at the  top if  you reach that level . UNITED are in a bad place once again and a restart is on its way .. once again .. OGS  .. does have a mountain to climb ..  Media .. have a lot to answer and these players nowadays feed the fire ..  in all walks of life ..

duffy

Totally agree if it doesn't work for the stand out side what chance the rest of us?

Up until recently you would never have seen it.  To dilly dally at the back I sit there thinking "Oh no, no get rid of it", squerming in my chair.  To be fair to Fred anywhere else on the pitch it's no big deal that he gives a pass away with a weak kick obviously that happens all the time right over the pitch but for Maguire to give it to him there really put him in it and in this instance where his pass did go astray the forward ran it and tapped it pretty much into an empty net.

Goals are of a premium and in this instance United are giving them a one start.  Surely now after Sunday OGS must say to his men NO MORE DILLY DALLYING just kick it up the field away from harms way and we start from there.  Without that mistake and Mctominay leaving his forward to tap a header in from two yards out on the far post Leicester don't even beat us and we were awful.  So frustrating.

The players didn't just decide to show themselves up every game playing out from the back of their own accord.
That's they way this amateurish management want it and if there's one thing we know about ole it's that he doesn't learn from any mistakes or change something not working.

Our group are not suited to play this way but that won't enter his head I'm afraid.

Speaking if not learning lessons I fully expect de gea to be back in goal after the international break.

FRED  . unfortunately the lad is not quality or anywhere near  it for Premiership in any team ..like so many others .. not fair to name them .we do not have one single player 
  this whole squad who can gel them together to improve our lot on the park .. and thats where it all happens .. Watch game after game when under pressure all hands showing 
  where the ball should go .?  and none of them give it here to ME  .. NOT A ONE  can fix it .. and chances of OGS  knowing anything ?about motivation . he appears scared to have a go at them .. DOES NOT  ..like confrontation for some  reason .. SOME MANAGERS  spluttering shouting pointing urging them to do better never happens  at the THEATRE OF HORRORS .,  SUNDAY NO DIFFERENT ..  .. HE must think his men are so good ,do not need to pull  UP them there   SOCKS   . and get on with it ..at 70 plus million  a player .. we are getting bad deals .. over 8 long years ..   ptb   would rather go down a division and start .. FRESH  .. from   Scratch ..  when hand waving occurs and they do not want the ball  they should be put to task  of playing for the ball on every occasion ..  on and on this great AMERICAN BASED SHOW GOES ON   .. as if its a no brainer .. no one ever gets the BULLET ..  COSY CORNER CAFES NEED BUILT ALL AROUND THE STADIUM  ..I WILL not pay in another dollar to this fiasco .  .. We need to take this on .. not sure how but its not anywhere near what we wish to watch .

FRED  . unfortunately the lad is not quality or anywhere near  it for Premiership in any team ..like so many others .. not fair to name them .we do not have one single player 
  this whole squad who can gel them together to improve our lot on the park .. and thats where it all happens .. Watch game after game when under pressure all hands showing 
  where the ball should go .?  and none of them give it here to ME  .. NOT A ONE  can fix it .. and chances of OGS  knowing anything ?about motivation . he appears scared to have a go at them .. DOES NOT  ..like confrontation for some  reason .. SOME MANAGERS  spluttering shouting pointing urging them to do better never happens  at the THEATRE OF HORRORS .,  SUNDAY NO DIFFERENT ..  .. HE must think his men are so good ,do not need to pull  UP them there   SOCKS   . and get on with it ..at 70 plus million  a player .. we are getting bad deals .. over 8 long years ..   ptb   would rather go down a division and start .. FRESH  .. from   Scratch ..  when hand waving occurs and they do not want the ball  they should be put to task  of playing for the ball on every occasion ..  on and on this great AMERICAN BASED SHOW GOES ON   .. as if its a no brainer .. no one ever gets the BULLET ..  COSY CORNER CAFES NEED BUILT ALL AROUND THE STADIUM  ..I WILL not pay in another dollar to this fiasco .  .. We need to take this on .. not sure how but its not anywhere near what we wish to watch .

I would never have BELIEVED  ..the money in the game as it still rumbles on ..  obscene payments . for what we have to watch ..

Correct jim. The standard MOST are having to put up with is nowt short of shocking yet the money just keeps rising.

What money is rising?

Don't see players taking new contracts halfway through current ones for less, so wages for a start.
Sponsorship levels always seem to be on the up. Think Utd just got a new shirt deal to give an example. Would have to be more than the last one imo.
TV money rises every contract renewal with more and more worldwide contracts being added for even more.
So yes, fair to say imo, that money is still rising.

Stadiums will be obsolete if this continues into 2023/4  T/V  will have succeeded in winning all games hands down ..no need for fans as we knew it . 30 percent if lucky it ever happens this year or next ..
  no let up  and this Jab as its called .. ..virus  may  well regain,some other strain .. before long .. a lot of the future is up in the air  .. like the dates plucked out of fresh .AIR that we have to believe in time after time ..changing daily .. used to like the muppets ..    . IN Uniteds case it was bought with a rosy future ahead ...  where is ROSIE   ..  lost in the exit door with all dinero gone as well .. only serious changes at top can solve this .. are transfers conducted  ..in EUROS OR G.B.P/ ? now only in pounds surely  .. out of the great EU   ..

No fans. Count me out. 1 and a bit seasons of this enough for anyone.

NO Fans   ,no trouble,no policing bills .. stewards and all others not needed .. Huge saving . at nearing 78 years .. not so much pressure on me as supporter ..  .never been back since    ,, SAF  , retired ..  NEVER BE  , back now , its over  .but still want the best  ,for UNITED  .. not just UK .. the whole World is troubled BIGTIME  .. for years ahead ..  some countries already go no travel ..?? before 2023 .. and that will be reviewed also .. Boris keeps pulling dates out of  ..?  FRESH AIR .  and moving Goalposts  .. he knows no more than his  Buddies .  PEOPLE STILL DIE  ,every day .. their nearest and dearest, cannot  support them at a    Funeral .. IF thats not a tough call then all is about more changes  ................... Never have more      T ,V.      been Sold to back up world domination OF THE SERVICES THEY CAN PROVIDE  .. Americans meet  to watch their
  team and all hours of the day .. all shareholders ..  sad when you write this .. REALITY   ..  ......... ...........

Nicky Butt has left United.

Wonder what the reason is as who decides to up and leave Manchester United?  Only possibility I can think of is he's been offer a managerial post somewhere or will be looking to do so.  He's spent most of his life at the club so must be very difficult to walk away.

Can't see why they'd get rid so hope the true reason actually comes out.

Talk of Keane and Butt going to Cetic

good choice if it works .. always worth a chance on pretty good players .. PASSION FOR GAME  a huge asset ..........

I read a clip from a book coming out where Alex Ferguson sent a txt to ole the morning after ole's first game which he won 5_1 .
The txt said I've been out all night celebrating getting my club back.

All I can say is fergie has surely caught up on his missed sleep during the majority of our games since.

its been dreadful time .. for sure .. Can check that out with a call .. BUT  ..sort of statement that would help sell a book ..  its no doubt he would be chuffed with the result .. for sure ..  right ..  he has not been very far for some time ..  HEALTH  .. going wrong was a huge blow and he got through it  ,had a lot of work in the diary  at the time .none of it was taken up ,to my knowledge .  We know TV picks him  out these days .. on his own in stand  .. Theatre of Dreams   .. still his second home .. Might be uncomfortable way he got beat sometimes ,,, BUT  .  not long to get running at full steam ahead .. once more . Scotland turned out some great managers and players 40 ish years ago ..

It sure did jim.

You have to wonder where all the players have gone.

Bit like ireland now we are not producing any decent level players either.

The fergie quote came from a book called the first 100 days written by a Scot who managed one of the lesser Scottish teams.
Could be Motherwell not sure if that's right though.

my mate speaks to the boss every week . good chance he will know . SCOTLAND NICKED A DRAW against the odds . 2  2  .. finished .. Mctominay had a good game  . THAT lads talent frightens me  ..  Once he starts  learning to running at the opposition .. he will be some machine and ref will give him the credit every time he gets brought down . ..CAN KEEP BALL AT HIS FEET  .as if it belongs there . and awareness around him is very very good .
  BEST  squad for 30 years maybe . ?  .time to learn old game worked as well as todays CRAP  . T.V.  football is future get yourself biggest TV you can afford .. as running out of the guts for teles .. and makers are up to ears in work backlog .. and unable to stop to produce more parts ..   PRICES will Rocket ... No let up in fans attending for some time to come .. . plus   Olympics to come .. not sure how timing will work here sure somebody will know ..  ?

7 million a year contract for poor ..... OGS   ...in print or I would not BELIEVE it ..  OGS   .. till end of 2024  season ..  Daily Mail tomorrow .. just to be Signed  .. ?

7 ffs worlds gone mad.

was reading about the class of 92 the other day, when they broke into the first team and signed their first professional contract they were all on the same, a massive (for them at the time) 250 quid a week.

game has progressed since  class of 92  not for better nor for decent fans .. 92 was a perfect football set up all get same except captain gets a bit extra for over seeing the cause .Corporate GREED..and Superstars  ??  and  TV.  belong the game now ..    built into game since that era  .MORE  ...Level playing field if that was possible .. LOST the Beautiful Game ..    Since that time .. ONLY  ...downturn is players get loads of Abuse these days   .some of it difficult to understand in todays World .. IT never goes away its their daily, in some form or another .  WELL PAID would be party to the  HUGE  divide  that exists today .. FANS no longer important .. and the game as it stands no CROWDS  suits the future ..as savings are HUGE . no abuse from fans match days only  ,,social media to run all the system  ,as they please ..  not going away for now .  already SEPTEMBER  is on cards .. and plucked out of  ....FRESH AIR  .. THE  Date . will go on for longer too much going on , via Countries ,not happy about vaccines etc .. ALL up in the AIR ALSO  ...

BEAUTIFUL  game sold down the river .. come to mind .. LOCAL SIDE  no longer .. applicable .. 2 Manchester sides in top PREMIERSHIP .. HOW many from area have been lucky enough to come up to todays standard ..   Fear wont be many ..   Finish up 3 or 4 centres . for top class  football  . IN  ,,.   ENGLAND  .   Rest can be sold to local government for use of local kids and start again ..   No other way to get game as we know ,,,,back .  . WOMEN  ,,,in Football seems to be making it into BIGTIME  .. T.V. Spots . for themselves NOW  .

old des perado . ..does 100 days book yourefer to have something bto do with the Glazers take over .. ?all my mate knows that is a 100 days .

Hi Jim,   I've done a bit of searching and found it.
It's called  " the first 100 days , lessons in leadership from the football bosses"

It was co written by Mickey Mellon  Dundee United manager.

If you Google that you will get the full story and context around it.

In the book he speaks to ole gunner solskaer,  David moyes,Sean dyche, Sam allardyce,among others.
I think it's to raise funds for motor neurone disease.

He puts his names to a lot of things could well be correct .Not been around much lately .. Know he had to miss bits and pieces but never made one in particular .. Due to Lockdown restrictions .  My mate made it as in a different tier at that time .. Seen him at games at Old Trafford .. on TV .Sitting  on his own watching proceedings ..  Wonder how he sees it these days . ? seems yesterday he left .. but runs into 8 years ..  Little if any ground has been made during that time .. With various set ups but nothing has clicked so far .conditions this past year . needs to go behind us all soon and back to some sort of new learning to live with these DREADFUL  VIRUS  STRAINS .. Flying all around us .. WORLD WIDE  a   Serious business . Changing all our lives forever ..  GOT PFIZER  ..  Jag start of this week over 70 ..bad headache wakening up after second day .. one PARACETEMOL  an hour late felt great and  still  do . HAD  ..literally cold feet and hands all winter .. low and behold they are   as  warm as pies now . ?? strange but good for me  .. Never felt the jag .. ?

Glad you got it Jim   ,  hopefully you can start to live fairly normally now again.

Just watched a documentary about big Norman Whiteside last night.
Really nice guy.
Was on £16 a week in 82 when he made his debut and his win bonus was £800.

Now there's an incentive.

And before anyone thinks that £16 might be good for 1982  I started an apprenticeship the same year in the building trade on £25 a week.

Nowadays I'm pretty sure apprentice footballers are on £thousands a week before they even get near the first team.

Hard to believe that money was so poor .. 1958  AS an  first year  APP CABINETMAKER  . 2 POUNDS  SEVENTEEN SHILLINGS AND SIXPENCE . for 48 hour week  ..
Your were really tired at end of your shift .. GOOD   not really a  jobs a job .. what I  WANTED  .. .. ? ..10 min break in mid morning ,tea to make for around 16 Shop for buns for the greedy and needy .. people  at 1030 .. am  done that for 2 years as well as my JOB  .. ?  Half  Hour lunch   .. FINISH 5PM  .. 8  .. 1 am  Sat  Overtime ..  then footie at 3 pm .. pubs closed 2 /30 pm reopened 5 pm finished 9 PM  .. Tough days  ... out  Mon  to Sat ..  learn to take it in your stride ..

Something has gone wrong for me as back in the 80's I was having a tenner on a horse and more than 30 years later I am still having a tenner on.

In reality I'm probably having 5 bob on.

good you still have a tenner on ,but sometimes it doesnt add up ..Run by financial experts . Betting now you wonder what its about .. Stick with your tenner  .as long as you are happy with that .. has to be a fun sort of thing with scant reward .. My Grandfather lifted lines as an retired ex  PAINTER  ..  55 yearl old .. illegal . then .and that started me off as an  8  year old in 1951 .. would ask him how my horse done .  its in the  ..BING SON  ..  later on in years I said to him there  must be lots of horses in that BING  .. AYE SON    I  suppose you are right there .   Tanner or Shilling would be tendered at that time ..  for big players .. ? I know the man who received the bets  .went on to be a president of the N B Association ..  lovely guy always well dressed .. ........ Now  a Layer  bet 3 numbers ??  ........  .for a year pays Inland Revenuue .....  300 million pounds  ...TAX  for ONE YEAR  ? WELL DONE TO HER . MUCH .. MUCH  .... Better than football player ..  Silly Game ..

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few passengers on tonight .. and more to follow behind scenes .. you couldnt make it up .. 83 mins  to do the job  .. SHOULD BE A STEAL   ....that was in first half that the non event .. passed by in 45 nins .. second half looked slghtly better . Difficult to watch so many red shirts failing in their   .. Job Discription .. think most fans must see how short we are of hard working players ..  BRIGHTON   ,, not worst side we have had visit thats for sure .. worked painlessly for 94 mins for scant reward .. Caused plenty of problems during that time . Well Done to them .. Europe ,  NOW ONLY TO WIN THAT  ,SAVE THE MANAGER  .. Seems a cosy place to be .. mostly .. getting even cosier . SETTLED side is far off still .

Pretty awful again but we somehow get the point again.

We really seem to have no direction or plan other than a flash of individuality here and there.

So many players walking with and without the ball it's maddening.

Aimlessly passing across the pitch over and over at a snail's pace.

I genuinely don't think I can watch much more of this tbh.

My sports package is up in June and I doubt very much I'll be renewing as I don't really watch other games and we are almost unwatchable.

Again Pogba needlessly giving ball away in final third led to a goal, a liability as a defensive midfielder, Mactominey a far safer option. Badly need a midfield general, maybe Mac'll grow into the role, but they can't really afford to wait. Cavanis' an old fashioned type centre forward  who needs crosses, waste of time him being there without them, although it was a great touch of his to Bruno that led to Rashfords goal. Another somewhat fortunate 3 points, spurs next up.

s  Stick with it old d p .. you need something taking up your time .. Check if something cheaper and better deals about ,.. they are there . ask on here somebody will put you on the  best for you .. HUGE CLUB doesnt go away its who can restore it to at least watching it is a JOY of sorts anything beats at the moment  .....is dire . FORTRESS OLD TRAFFORD NEEDS REBUILT  ..  at half the present costs ..all earn the same in a team game ANY difference should be in the costs percentage and dies as you put boots on .. COUNTLESS times the wrong ball was played by every player .

Yes poor again tonight we got away with a win.

As Redrob points out Pogba giving the ball away for their goal but to be fair if Ole picks Mctomminay and Fred people say there's no flair between them so it's a tricky one.

Upfront bar the goals Rashford, Cavani, Bruno and Greenwood offered very little.  the great Bruno has really dropped in class over the past few months often doing very little and giving the ball away timer and time again.  Of course because he's our new hero everyone doesn't say anything but e honest he's often poor of late.  Over half of his goals are penalties too whcih I've pointed out before most reading this could knock into the corner.

Fernandez is average but looks better as he's playing alongside trees.

We are in for the long haul with the current set up as OGS continues to be blessed with the team annoyingly continuing to hit the dizzying heights of mediocrity and therefore CL football is achieved which is all the board request, how they get there is inconsequential to them.

Those of us with a tendency to view things through a rose tinted lens will no doubt look at a 2nd place finish and garner some sort of encouragement from that.

What we've actually experienced and continue to do so since SAF left is a period in our history that will probably be struck from the record books as something that didn't actually happen.

We must all hope that at some point in the near future Ed will step out of the shower and we will all see that it was just a bad dream and we can start back from the day after SAF left.

duffy

Yes I agree.  Cty are far and away the best team, Liverpool without their injuries almost as good then there's a big gap to us who probably are the third best team in the league.  Just shows you the standard though when the likes of Leicester, Spurs, Chelsea aren't quite even as good as us.  I'd rate us as about 7/10 at best (I almost want to say six and a half) so not great at all are we.

I posted before and nobody could answer me that if you picked a typical Fergie team NOT ONE of our current team would get near it.  Would you swap for Schmeichel, the back four, Scholes, Keane in midfield, Beckham, Kanchelskis, Ronaldo, Giggs, Cantona, Hughes, Solksjaer, Yorke, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Tevez.  See what I mean, Ole can only pick what we have and NOT ONE would get in the team.  At a push our two full backs are decent but other than that the rest are miles off I'm afraid.

put in the graft to the game and some would just about get pass marks . with a good bit of stregthening . Fred seems to be cotinuosly in a  15 square meter Bubble.not keen to do too much .. NEVER a red devil for sure . Bruno was going great guns .. now lost all the gunpower ..  DID help lift us off a lowly position at the start of his campaign ..Seems to be argueing within himself as it goes wrong time after time .. Cavani Dissappeared .Rashford has made it outside football Bubble  with his GONG  .. his game has deteriorated . somewhat .. Sadly these guys need to think the future for themselves .. Tough time for all and easy to be a critic ,.    .Lucky Chappies going home with huge paypackets . in mean time we sufferer the whole lot on our broad shoulders time after time . Glad saw chance of a cheaper big TV  in october .. BE over in 10 months .. Payments   Saved it all already .. to watch some poor stuff .. AS A Professional person myself  . need to keep doing my best for all around us .. Short lifespan FOOTBALLERS   .. MOSTLY  its all they know ..  ..   no chance of ever retrieving the club back in our lifetime ..  LOT OF SADNESS  .. to take in and still ongoing .. BRIGHTON MANAGER GOT FLYING COLOURS FROM ME  .. done well ..

Jim

Agree about Bruno argueing with himslef as he fcuks up.  If it were me I'd give him some back saying "YOU gave that ball away, YOU made that bad pass, YOU  were greedy not passing it, YOU had that wild shot that went miles wide".

He seems to moan at the others when it's his fault.  I wouldn't stand for it, why don't the players let him know it.  He gets a great goal here and there granted, plays some nice passes and obviously some will go astray as it's not just tapping it sideways but overall 'The great Bruno Fernandez"?  Not for me sorry.

we have been close with all different managers .. in Fairness they all done a job of sorts , but consistency and what we watched wasnt for us really .. expecting  too much .. maybe .. Think players shoulder much of the present problems  .. MOYES got off to worst possible start as players revolt won the day .. On it goes to this day .. What might have been .. OGS  unable to put best on from the bench .. to give us an edge .. GOD forbid .. 10 or 12 year old fan would make better substitutes .. >>>>>>>>James and Greenwood can forget a permanent shirt .. LIKEWISE  FRED LINDELOF RASHFORD  6  that need to haul them socks up very quickly ..  Sorry its not great but as you see it you have to run with them ..   OGS  .. if he has little say as some sugest ..   The Showers ,, are going to be busy on EXIT DAYS  .. CLEAR OUT  and some fresh plain paper for round ,,, YEAR  9  ?  times are a changing now surely .  AGAIN   ..

Just watched highlights of the wolves/west ham game. Why is it that Jesse Lingard suddenly looks like a player ? Scored more goals and had more assists in his first 6 games for them than he did in his last 50 appearances for Utd. Looked a class act yesterday, and did things that we'd be raving about if a United player did them.

If he was an unknown we would be thinking he was just the type if player we need.

Fast, direct , good dribbler and an eye for goal.

Is it our lack of movement that hindered him or has he just upped his game or is he just in one of those little periods where the gods look down on you for a few weeks.

Probably a bit of all three.

There's definitely a player in Lingard, his movement was always quite good for us but in his position (behind the striker) you have to come up with big numbers in goals and assists. Even in his best times (around 4 years ago?) he never sustained those numbers for more than a couple of months.

He was an easy target during tough times for a lot of fans, of course he didn't help himself with all the online posts etc. Like many, he's a confidence player - hasn't had it for 2 or 3 years but now he has with less pressure and more game time at West Ham. No future for him at Utd imo but good luck to him, at the mo he's going well.

too cosy at  UNITED TO  , bother as its in their hand allthe time lovely lovely contracts . some Beggar  belief .. Game as it stands has gone for good for united as long as the said drivers of the team prepare to search better players at half money that are at least worth watching .. as it is .NOTHING   .. heartache maybe .. watchin the lot unfold .......... Every  premier side have suffered some poor shows for FANS  .. AND Left managers scratching their heads ?.. PANDEMONIUM   IN A  ,,,,PENDEMIC ATMOSPHERE .Liverpool gave away some cracking goals tonight ..

Bayern 25 plus chances an majority of game . an off night for them .. ??These games only make you feel best miss that level where we are at the moment .. could be embarrising .. Could a good United pull together at that standard .. on a GOOD NIGHT .. unlikelly  ..............must dream on another 10 years    ish .. plus ..  Enjoyable tonight yes . Spanish Ref ..... allowed game to keep going taxing    all the players .. well done to him and his assistants ..

Jim

That's what I say about us.  Probably the second or third team in the league we are yet how far are we behind Bayern, PSG?

I really can't possibly see how if you were trying to be HONESTLY accurate that our team warrants a rating of 7/10.  We are probably a six and a half.  Whoopdeedoo!

lou  think you are mixing me up with DUFFY ON  MARKS OUT OF 10 ... GAVE 7  Ithink .  said before we came close nearly not worst side at top 6 .. BUT EVERY YEAR FELL TO BITS  .. now  we need to go onwards and get realplayers at proper price who want ..  // TO be there .. REAL DEAL  ...RED DEVILS .. if ? That is Possible and think it is ,, with a guy who really is a boss , and stands no nonsense ..  Jose  .. jury is out on him once again ..at another club .. Funny old Game ..

Fergies last team that won the league by 10+ points was 7/10.

Since then we have been 1/10, and the 1 is for managing to get out onto the pitch on time.

Hardly 1/10 duffy but they're no more than about 6.5

I  like it .. SAF  and a few mates won first 3 races at liverpool AINTREE RACES TODAY  prices around 11 t0 1    ..3 to 1   .. and evens .. About ..90 t0 1  treble ..  still a winner after 8 years . A  Good ,, MAN  .  Not lost his  ,TOUCH  .. 3   GRADE ONE RACES ..  ,,  ..

Yeah, nice treble. Had the second 2 but couldn't touch the first after it's last couple of runs. They got some nice horses and good luck to em. Think the TV banging on about 3-0 in Liverpool was a bit over the top mesen. Not like they could win owt with em in Manchester after all

Their players are kicking lumps out of ours yet it's 3 bookings to nil to us?? Obviously our players and bench aren't screaming and squealing enough for the ref.

invested a lot of money for top class horses looks as though they will get a turn ..3 GRADE ONE WINNERS IN THE STABLE ..  well done to them another hard game .. some hefty bills .. to go with it .

Only watched the highlights show after the game.  They showed about 10 minutes all in with United having the Rashford shot and a weak penalty.  Not another shot shown so we must have been very poor.

Grenada are obviously rubbish, a very easy draw for us but when will we actually play well again.  Scraped through against the mighty Brighton at the weekend and as I've pointed out before I couldn't tell you one player apart from Danny Welbeck who even plays for them yet United struggle to beat them.

We really need to start performing soon, yes we'll qualify for Champions League but we're not much cop are we.

Dreadful performance again , absolutely horrible team to watch with all the walking and standing over the ball and then the slow paced sideways passing.

We never zip it about ahead of people .

We keep winning but it can't sustainable going forward to keep getting results playing so poorly.
Like 11 strangers out there.

And when will stand up for ourselves,   like don said they kicked lumps out of us and he gives us 5 yelliw cards yet other than Bruno not one player seriously complained and not a whimper from the bench.

They are a spineless bunch both on the field and in the dugout stands or wherever ole sits most of the game.

..NOT A TEAM  at all really individual shysters ..  Referee got few marks out of 10 .. and as poor as I have seen for some time . So far behind other squads at a bit less cost .. TO  say its not fun is  a  ....REALITY CHECK    .. NEIGHBOURS CITY  .. parting with 16 million a year till 2025  .. is disgusting to say the least .. Decent player but leaves me cold sometimes on an attitude front .. but this seems to be the up to date hotshots are all about . Glad our FANS  at end of the day can refuse to take on season tickets .. Our American owners can fill it up every other week sending planes full of supporters over to see the fruits of their buying into the  ...AMERICAN DREAM  .. NO doubt TV.  of the future do not care about empty  Stadiums  as they can sell  icecream to anyone ..     ..,,Sad day for football this PANDEMIC  .. may well be a big big change forever ..  NEVER   seen 11  Manchester players  ,,,,,KICKED SO OFTEN  . in 90 Minutes. Every game brings us something Different .  A new level our squad have achieved .  final of that trophy soon be behind us as well as doubt we are near good enough to survive with 5 yellows in a game ..  ADDING TO THE WOE .. Still trying to Figure out what IS   .  EXPECTED OF A  UNITED MANAGER ??  ITS Where the story begins and surely ENDS  ..  somewhere   SOON  ..

dropped unbelievable  points  in the earlier part of this campaign .. tell a tale now of a    2 TIER TEAM  ..   ,,CITY  drop 3 points .. UNITED  have 2 games in hand that need secured .. in tha lot we see 9 points adrift clawing back .. DONT BE SURPRISED  if OGS  can vulcanize this squad to pick up pieces and make it a   HUGE Finish that works for him .. As a fan you curse some of the dross he served up in a Pandemic YEAR  .. ROOKIE  comes to mind .. seee what today brings .. can they be mobilized to recover the sins of 12 months ..REAL SIDE OF     .. RED DEVILS   would be sitting proudly on the top of this mediocre season .. in our case too many missfits .. THISis the bibbest game this season that needs winning .. plus a 100 percent points in BAG  .. to salvage what we as fans knew . ...

First half 1/10

Second half 8/10 and the best we have played in a long long while.

Good performances all round but special mentions for Cavani, Pogba, Fred and again Shaw who was my MOTM.

Must be some sort of record for winning when behind at half time, dont know the stats but seems to have happened plenty times this season.

Henderson too I thought was excellent, good saves and positive in general. Cavani has looked rusty on return, showed his class today, shame he won't/can't do that every week. Fred poor for 50 minutes but then much better after his goal. Roy Keane has just agreed with me so must be right!

1/10 is ridiculous duffy.

They were about 3 or 4/10 and second half I agree an 8.

Got to be honest although I think the disallowed goal is a little harsh he did slap him in the face didn't he.  I played football (FOOT ball) and would try my best to maybe dribble past the other guy, tackle someone and never thought of touching anyone with my hands so where do all the hands come from?  Mctominnay is away from him so just run, keep going why slap him in the face?  Look what it cost us a perfectly good goal and what is a foul? Yes it was.  Keep the hands down and play FOOT ball.

Poor in the first half but fully deserved in the end.  I am getting to the end of my tether with Fred though.  Yes he's tenacious and breaks up things but skill wise and specially for a Brazilian he seems to have very little skill.  Struggles to control it, wayward passes he's not much of a player is he.  A real trier but not good enough for Manchester United Football Club sorry.

Disallowed goal a ridiculous decision, then game would be stopped every 10 seconds if that's a foul. In a way the officials have fudged it because if they give a foul then it should be a second yellow for McTominay.

Not fussed whether Fred is from Brazil or Bradford to be honest but we definitely need an upgrade. Squad player maybe and he and McTominay team up well in tougher games but the need for a better defensive midfielder who can pass well is obvious, especially when we are dominant in possession.

at least we can think of the game as a positive  , from start their was a decision by the whole team to avenge terrible drubbing they deserved at home game .. ,, hardly anyone turned up that day .. the hardest way possible  .. LEARN HARD WAY  .. Mctominay .. an agressive  player tries his best all the time ..   SON was beat fair and square .. didnt like it   ? PUT HIS HAND on McT s  back to unbalance him but he was of and felt his hand and threw an arm out to brush him off ...   he had no IDEA   ,, his face was there as was heading forward fast ..all in a second or less . worst VAr decision ever made and no right to interfere ..  VAR taking over the whole game must be un acceptable . and HIGHLIGHTED IN HIGHSET PLACES  ...

the don .. I really like the VAR  .. and in time it wll get better .. GOODNESS KNOWS where it  all leaves the referee as main man  SURELY  thats not in VAR  SCHEDULE ..  can ? VAR   sort out a referee who is having a nightmare in a  ,,,,Ding Dong  battle on the turf for future chances at the highest level .. Spanish REF last week got 10 out of 10 for letting them get on with GAME  ,, few interruptions and you get a huge step backwards today ..   at a lower level    LEAGUE  as  CHAMPION s League .. before top ..   VAR  to be looked at and improve .. First thing needs offside fixed once and for all as daylight   and whole body has to be in front of last defender forget about toe caps and elbows etc .. load of rubbish .. GAME NEEDS ADVANTAGE TO FORWARDS TO GET AN EDGE IF POSSIBLE  .. PROBLEM CAN SOLVE ITSELF  .. GAME  goes bacwards with wrong changes .. all the ball has to be over the line for a goal no messing .. Self Explanatory .. to a football man at heart to impove the  ..... BEAUTIFUL GAME  .. in no PANDEMIC TIMES  ..

Second half best performance of the season.

Henderson, shaw,Fred,Pogba and cavani all excellent. Greenwood when he came on too.

Var and the ref a disgrace although I guess it made us play but does beg the question do they play within themselves until they get a trigger.

Imagine where we might be if they played like they really wanted it from the first whistle.

Yes Jim, think I saw that ref (and there have been a couple of others in Europe) who just ignore or wave players away when they fall down for nothing. Soon lets them know that there has to be a fair bit of contact for it to be a foul - some free kicks these days are an absolute joke, Son had another one today seeing the ball out from Rashford where he just fell to the floor and got the free kick. Of course we have players who do it too.

The reversal of the decision today was just rank bad. But was the ref pressured into it by the VAR team? Probably. There will never be consistency from all referees and that has to be accepted. There are thousands of different scenarios in a match and it's impossible to make or teach all referees to make exactly the same decision. The whole process needs starting again from scratch but it won't be and is here to stay unfortunately.

Olddesp, unfortunately it seems we nearly always need provoking or being woken up, usually by going behind. The team seem to play much better if they have a purpose eg. coming from behind or having plans to counteract the opposition (City, Leeds, PSG etc)
If they are left to improvise or make the running in a game there is little to no urgency.

Agreed,  that's the thing I hate about this team,  the lack of urgency.

Ambling around passing it sideways at a snail's pace.

Maguire is one of the worst at this btw and somewhat sets the tone .

VAR  was for goal line technology  .or so it was muted at the inception .. to make sure whole ball is over ito goalmouth  ..REF  was getting mugged by the lot of them both sides ..SHAME ON THE LOT OF THEM   
  Remember this lot have the capability to get ahead of the red card syndrome .. if all were given a real shake .. TO PUSH ON WITH THE GAME  .. Last week we were so weak we stood to get kicked for most of the game against a very poor side .. to capture 5 yellows I think .. shamefull exhibition .. My well cost us if we carry on to the final with half of them  ....MISSING  ..

TO overcome a drubbing from these fellows at fortress old trafford ..  was on the cards .. again no qualms about the result got what they deserved .. that day ,.. MANAGEMENT SKILLS ARE WEAK THROUGH  .. out .. ..DINERO .. SYSTEM NEEDS SERIOUSLY OVERHAULED ..  Money .. has to be earned in almost any line of business .. Even Entertainment . this lot ..... Fail   ..and surprisingly  its almost there with hard handling ..

ptb  would rather try to secure a team capable of winning the Premiership first ,,,  then Strengthen from that positoin for C .L . sa not a stable side as wee have been for 8 seasons .. Must agree .. with that at this time ..  WILL ?? we allow the team to knock us all over  ......THE THEATRE OF DREAMS  .. Tonight .. they have only something to gain as new level for them .  To keep ahead for another spell OGS  needs to get them out on park in positive mode once again from the Starting whistle ..   GOOD RED DEVILS ONLY FOR THIS ONE  ..WE Know who to rely on .Please ..  Get it right ..

I'm sure it will almost be Eleven reserves tonight as Ole will assume we're already through winning 0-2 away from home and the other team don't look great do they ............. name one of their players?  No neither can I.

Luis Suarez

Blimey team announce and bar the players that are suspended it's our strongest line up.

We must beat this mob surely.

lou is your typical United supporter, basking in the reflected glory of his club.

In years gone by, lou and his ilk flooded the Liverpool thread with their gloating smirking schadenfreude, laughing uncontrollably at our lack of success.

Surprise surprise, lou and his ilk have barely been seen on the Liverpool thread for the last 4 years.

Surprise surprise, since christmas 2020, lou has felt brave enough to come scuttling out from under his rock with his gloating smirking schadenfreude yet again.

I wonder what has changed? Certainly not United, who have now gone 7 (yes SEVEN) years without winning anything worth winning. Soon to be 8 (yes EIGHT years).

very comfortable win against a poor side ..  SEMIS looming large .. what next .. KEEP LOOKING  at all our expensive buys and as far as I can get all I SEE is Failures ..  What are they really bringing to the table long term to make a real workmanlike squad .. Van DE Beek .. FRED  4 others not naming them but need to be able to drive with hands  ..ON   ...wheel for at least 2  HOURS  ON A  Match Day ..  James needs a lot of work to make up for his size a Messi .. he is not ..   BE wrong to be too hard during this pandemic .. but they have a job to do not a switch on and off .. Be Glad when season is over to be fair .. never really enjoyed it too much a few ??   decent results now and then sums it up . JURY WILL BE OUT ON  ,,,,,OGS  ,,,,,,,for some time to come .. STRATEDGY CHANGE cuddling each other after a win is that not breaking rules .. ?

jim you gotta stick with Ole,he's a lejj pal

Not great again last night against a very average side.  Almost a full strength team out too.

We are surely now in Champions League for next year but a big gulf between us and the top clubs so at this rate we will just be making up the numbers.

Still think we need two strikers down the middle rather than a Cavani or Martial all on their own with then Rashford hugging one touchline and Greenwood the other.  Pogba is playing a bit better though but Bruno dropping badly from his previous levels.

United to win the league next season honestly? ............. Sorry not for me.

Another semi and Ole must be bricking it
Ole lost as many domestic semi-finals in the space of a year as Ferguson ever managed in his entire 26 years in charge at Old Trafford.
If he loses another semi he should have tender his resignation
I think he's done a great job steadying the club but is he the man to take it to the next level
Example is Chelski and getting rid of Fat Frank who did a similar job
I'm sure if PTB was posting he would be saying the same

OGS  a lot to do still and difficult to see he is our answer .. Pray he will get something right but he doesnt look like a man who knows .. Any Answers .. Case Rests for now ..
   do not think the butcher is in love with OGS  either .. NO PLaNS TO  Go Everywhere TO  ....SEE THIS LOT  ,, Abroad .. Who gives a green light for all the players spend ..  ?Some dont make any sense .. for long term fit into .RED   DEVILS  in Future .. .. sorry state after a fair length of time excuses running  OUT  ....

rothko 16 Apr 21 19:52 
I'm sure if PTB was posting he would be saying the same


Regardless of what Pete thought about Ole, I don't think he would ever come on here and suggest that he should go.

It would be interesting to see what he thinks now though Duffy.

For Pete supporting united was about much more than what was happening on the pitch but now with the non attendance I just wonder does he see things a little differently and maybe more like some of the rest of us.

Having to endure horrid football on the telly is a lot harder than at the game , few bevvys , camaraderie  and all the adrenaline on the terrace v sitting on the sofa hoping for a bunch of prima donnas to turn up for 90 mins.

Maybe not but I just think it gives a more detached perspective on manager and players performance or non performance .

I got the impression from him before he left the forum that Ole wouldn't be his choice but I doubt that he would have criticized him.

I don't think that Pete would separate the player from the manager and Ole's place in the history of the club warrants utmost respect and support as he continues to attempt to help the club, I think would be his thoughts on it.

Ole simply not being good enough wouldn't be a good enough reason to speak against him.

Just my opinion.

Still think ptb Wants club to start afresh and last words were we need to get a Premiership Win behind us to go forward .. well thats not happened in 8 YEARS  ..  OGS saved by a pandemic in a full year .. MONMONEY SPEND WAGES EARNING  at an all time high .. and as fans we shake our heads everytime we see the 11   Hopefuls stuck in jerseys .. FOR ME   SAF  won games with a few passengers often we know it happens regularly ..BUT ... HE NEVER GAVE THEM 6 TO 10 GAMES TO right themselves ..  even now .. top Goalkeeper . lost it ? who knows .. we  watch players mentioned on here after games that underperformed ?  for some   
... reason rather  slate them .. we give them the benefit of any doubt ..  One main reason for some poor to say least Games as never a SETTLED TEAM SELECTION  for one reason or another .. never ever saw players throwing arms about not wanting the ball .. back .. ? I CAN Name them  ..  most fans know .. watching it unfold week on week ..