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Report SirNorbertClarke September 18, 2023 5:23 PM BST
If your goalie can't pass the opposition will press him/her

If your goalie can pass they won't press him/her

Give de Gea a new contract and teach him how to trap a ball and kick it into row Z
Report 11kv September 19, 2023 3:25 PM BST
Is Harry Kane taking the pizz  ExcitedLaugh
Report duffy September 19, 2023 4:22 PM BST
Actually, the more passes it takes to break United down isn't a good thing it's a bad thing because they are so wide open, it should be a handfall at most to break through, shouldn't have to take so long going around the houses against usTongue Out
Report the_don September 20, 2023 7:38 PM BST
This midfield 3 is lightweight against most Premier League opposition - let alone one of Europe's stronger teams. But I don't suppose there's a lot of choice at the moment - Mctominay maybe?

Probably a good time to have the toughest group game - Bayern have no group stage defeats apparently since 2017 Scared.
Report G Hall September 20, 2023 8:35 PM BST
Wtf are Manchester United wearing black and white stripes a joke,an absolute joke,whatever clown sanctioned that should be sacked
Report brentford September 20, 2023 8:52 PM BST
it's green not black...the actual inspiration for the kit was quite interesting though not very easy one the eye..
Report Capt__F September 20, 2023 8:59 PM BST
goalie don't need no help to look like a clown
Report Racingqueen September 20, 2023 9:04 PM BST
Erik keeps banging on about standards and Sancho not doing it in training....

Has he any thoughts on players not doing it during the match?
Report SirNorbertClarke September 20, 2023 9:38 PM BST
From when the 3rd goal went in United visibly gave up. That is somethin Fergie would never have accepted.

Bruno is just not captain material. He's no Roy Keane or even Steve Bruce.
Report brentford September 20, 2023 10:04 PM BST
didn't look as though they gave up to me Norbert...

predictably looked open defensively especially once chasing the game...not a great performance but not bad either against one of the CL favs with an injury list as long as your arm...keeper needs to get some confidence...made a couple of decent saves second half..

nice for Hojlund to get off the his confidence going forward...

probably the best they've played so far this season which is an issue in itself of course..
Report the_don September 20, 2023 10:10 PM BST
Going ok I thought until the howler from Onana, then you always get the feeling we will concede again pretty soon. Once we had to chase the game in any way we were so open and uncoordinated.

I agree that it looked like a few gave up from around 70 mins in - crazy when you see the 2 goals we got late on out of nowhere really. Plus the fact that Bayern don't actually look that good (cue them hammering us in the return game). Hard to believe they are 2nd favourites and I'd fancy quite a few Premier League sides to beat them.

Too many soft goals being conceded, poor marking and set up on corners and too many conceded from cut backs to the edge of the box. There should really be lots of changes on a run of defeats and performances but there aren't many options at the moment.
Report Racingqueen September 20, 2023 10:55 PM BST
didn't look as though they gave up to me Norbert...

**Stevie Wonder has entered the chatroom**

Report brentford September 20, 2023 11:01 PM BST
scoring twice in the last 5 mins or so  is not a hallmark of giving up typically..

another assist for Bruno...'Stevie'
Report G Hall September 20, 2023 11:35 PM BST
United were overrun in midfield this evening.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 20, 2023 11:54 PM BST
I think ErH needs to set up the team to play deep. Let the opposition have the ball. Be a counter attacking team.
Report olddesperado September 21, 2023 7:32 AM BST
And where has that got us the past 10 years nobby ?.

He made a mistake last season by being practical and doing that at the expense of implementing his own style on the team.

Now that he is doing it people are saying it's his second season should be doing better etc.

It will take time and people to stand by him and allow him to ditch whoever he wants from the club.

Ole's words yesterday should leave no one in any doubt about the mentality and toxicity of some of the players at the club and how hard it is to manage without the full support of those above you who are more interested in assets than performance.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 21, 2023 9:13 AM BST
I think managers need to be pragmatic.

I still think Rodgers always intended on playing with a big bustling #9. Benteke basically. But then he came and saw he had Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho and Sterling and realised it had great potential so changed his philosophy to be a continental-style football team. Then when Luis left, Brendan started to mould things into his way and was shown up.

I think Ten Haag could do the same. However, he has brought in HIS players. The spine is a Ten Haag spine: Onana; Martinez; Casemiro; Mount; Hojlund. So he should be getting them to play to his direction. But if there are injuries or players not quite suited then you adjust your tactics to get the best out of the players available. Be pragmatic. Get the results and buy yourself time to get to the next transfer window.
Report duffy September 21, 2023 5:26 PM BST
Apart from the obvious I thought we looked comfortable in the first half and carried a threat, certainly should have gone 1 up before Onana's fcuk up.

Even when we look relatively comfortable though a blunder or concentration lapse is always not far away so will concede goals which is basically last nights story.

On another night, Davies would have kicked through the back of Pellestri instead of toe poking it from between his legs and we'd have got a pen, on another night they wouldn't have got their pen and on another night, nana would have thrown his cap on the ball.

Bayern look nothing special.
Report the_don September 21, 2023 6:37 PM BST
I think when ten Hag came in he wanted to implement his own style. After defeats to Brighton and Brentford that was changed to get the best he could out of the type of players in the squad.

It looks like he's trying again, after making some signings, to implement his way of playing again. See the attempt to field a midfield 3 of Casemiro, Mount and Bruno plus the signing of Onana and to a certain extent Antony and Martinez last summer.

That's fair enough as we'll never improve enough to contend while playing as a counter attacking team and he can possibly be given a little leeway in terms of what he took over from (a right mess) and also with the injuries so far this season. But there have been few glimpses of what he is trying to achieve. This is Manchester United and without improvement fairly quickly he'll be under massive pressure.
Report comingupthehill September 21, 2023 8:28 PM BST
He came in,demanded double training,which shakes it up a bit,so got a few results.

Then bought half the Ajax team,which shows a lack of vision,then screams again this season,so players downed tools.

The keeper is shocking the worst since tiabi,but cos he’s bought him will stick with him until pressure forces him to drop him.

This season is over,he ll be sacked,so next season,it will be,give the new manager more time.

So that’s next season over.

No one at the top who to give the job on it goes
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 21, 2023 11:30 PM BST
Is there a better manager available?

Might be thought line, let him do dirty work,
If it works win win, if it doesn't next guy doesnt
need to.

He seemed to do a good job at ajax
Report brentford September 22, 2023 12:19 PM BST
Gary O’Driscoll has taken up his new role as head of sports medicine for Manchester United, overseeing all medical activity across our men’s, women’s and Academy teams.

He joins the club from the same role at Arsenal, where he served for the past 14 years, overseeing more than 600 games with our Premier League rivals.

could be the best signing to date with our injury record in recent times...Mischief
Report SirNorbertClarke September 22, 2023 12:42 PM BST
Last season I thought EtH was a lucky General. This season he is looking like an unlucky one.

All of here know what good and bad luck can go to the best laid plans.
Report Racingqueen September 22, 2023 10:21 PM BST
Is there a better manager available?

Hansi Flick would be a superb appointment imho. Appoint a decent German DOF to work in tandem.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 22, 2023 11:28 PM BST
What experience does Hansi Flick have of rebuilding a formerly great top team?

In Germany if you want to win the league you join Bayern. nothing else works.

EtH's job, the thing he has been tasked with, is to beat City over the course of a season and then do the same again and again.

I doubt Hansi is up to that.

EtH knows the size of the task and we as United fans have to have a lot of patience as he attempt to remold the team into a side that is comfortable going toe to toe with City.

Of course it could be that EtH doesn't work out but it'll be at least 3 seasons before we can properly judge him.
Report olddesperado September 22, 2023 11:33 PM BST
Absolutely not true nobby.
You can judge a manager within months
Report olddesperado September 22, 2023 11:46 PM BST
Most had moyes copped on within months,
Van gaal within about 18 months even though he had a really good period mid way he changed his mind and went negative and boring before being sacked.

Jose was quiet good first season but went off the rails after Seville and imploded.

Ole despite being my firm favourite was found out before his first season was over yet got the full time job and even then an extension when he'd just failed to lift a trophy.

He should have went a long time before he did.

Ten hag,
Knows what he's doing,
Strong which will cause him problems with the lazy sh1t stirrers in the club but if he's backed and allowed to change the culture he will leave the club in a better place than when he took over.

Ragnick , ole and jose all spoke of the rotten culture and player attitudes in the dressing room and that can't be ignored.

Ten hag has to be backed to sort out that at least.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 23, 2023 8:21 AM BST
How long did it take SAF to get the United side he wanted?
Report olddesperado September 23, 2023 8:34 AM BST
It took him 5 years I think.
Like ten hag he had to come in and do a clear out but crucially he had a style of play he wanted to play and kept buying the players to play it.
It was 442 with speedy wingers.
It was quiet poor at times but but you could see what he was trying and like ten hag he was having good periods in games and getting punished by individual errors.

He didn't have as many off field issues to deal with back then and if he wanted rid of a player it was done within weeks unlike how it's done now where players dig in seeing out contracts.
Ten hag needs support and more time but things need to keep evolving for him or there will come a point when we know it's run it's course.
United usually keep managers long beyond that point though so he should be ok for a while yet.
Report olddesperado September 23, 2023 8:48 AM BST
There is a concerted effort to get him out though.
It's happening in the media with calls questioning him like Neville of all people.

Neville who wanted more time for ole saying it was the players and he needed more time yet here he is digging ten hag after 16 months.

There's dressing room leaks emerging again with luckhurst quoting sources close to a player saying some are unhappy with him.
Why ?   because they are out of the team or are being asked to run and get physical ?.

There are probably only about 4 players it could realistically be ,  3 English and one Scot.
One has a massive PR team and stuff usually comes out when he's struggling and playing badly so that's where my money would be.

Ten hag needs to get on top of it very quickly or he is done the same as the others once it started.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 23, 2023 10:22 AM BST
The media and arsewipes like Neville live on clicks so it pays their mortgages to have sensational headlines. I doubt those at the top of the hierarchy of the club pay too much attention to Neville et al.

Far from taking notice of those complaining about the running I would buy them electric dog collars and give them in game reminders of their instructions.

We are never going to be able to go toe to toe with City playing the old way. Arsenal yes, City no.
Report olddesperado September 23, 2023 11:27 AM BST
Laugh  I like the dog collar idea nobby.

I get what your saying about the hierarchy and Neville etc but it does crank up the pressure on him and gets more fans against him and increases the pressure further and players buy into it and start complaining and dropping off and it's over.

I want him to stay but the next 5 games or so are crucial to the future of his tenure imo.
Report olddesperado September 23, 2023 11:38 AM BST
Btw I lost all respect for pundits like Keane and Neville who are perceived as honest straight talkers when they absolutely refused to even admit a bit of blame to ole when he was completely out of his depth and had lost the plot near the end.

It was all on the players and owners etc.

Now 16 months into ten hags reign Neville is asking questions of him and absolving the players even though he took over a sh1t show and is still dealing with it and trying to get us playing a modern style of play into  the bargain all while winning a trophy ,losing a final and finishing 3rd.
And Neville is questioning him but was saying ole was doing a good job and needed time 3 years in.
Report The Dragon September 23, 2023 5:11 PM BST
broken club with horrible owners

no way back
Report olddesperado September 23, 2023 6:10 PM BST
Always a way back,

Just ask Liverpool.
Report the_don September 23, 2023 10:47 PM BST
Burnley looked like they weren't actually bothered about scoring tonight. Handy when you're low on confidence and form and even better when you're 1 nil up against them. Very strange. At least we kept the basics of marking and getting men back without the ball and that was all that was required really.

And I think disallowing the Evans goal was very harsh, a great delivery which is rarely seen from our set pieces.
Report brentford September 23, 2023 11:04 PM BST
Spot on about the delivery for the Evans 'goal'...though personally thought it was correct to disallow and wrong that Citeh's stood the other week..

not heard the stats of late but Utd been absolutely appalling on set pieces for a while now despite a specialist coach (which seems a dangerous idea to me in some have to justify a salary)...

fundamentals...someone who can whip in a great ball and centre half who's very good in the air (Reguilon + Evans) ...more threat than a dozen or more short corners we've seen or Eriksen/Shaw etc  hitting the first man all the f***ing time...

More energy with Hannibal (who is lacking elsewhere, not surprisingly) playing..Evans looked solid in general though context required...

Regulion aside form the corner showing what highly motivated players look like last two world beater but effort and shirt not too big as a result of Madrid history...hope the hamstring is nothing long term...and just a general more willingness to work a bit...

no overkill on the positive value but the potential negative we all know was huge...newspapers and sports media  circling like f***ing sharks currently at even a sniff of blood where Utd are concerned...
Report SirNorbertClarke September 24, 2023 8:44 AM BST
There is absolutely no way of getting away from it, United were dire against a team that will go straight back down to the Championship.

Yes we have a lot of injuries but I always equate a lot of injuries with an unhappy squad. When a team is tearing it up even players with niggles want to play.

I'm not at all convinced with Hojlund and as for Rashford he looks like he'd rather be anywhere else than near the opposition goal with the ball at his feet. No wonder we are struggling to score.

And wtf is Hannibal doing on the pitch? I'm all for promoting youth but he adds nothing to the attack.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 24, 2023 11:48 AM BST
a  Car crash happened
Rashfords £700k roller
a write off
10 hag will be impressed
Report SirNorbertClarke September 24, 2023 11:57 AM BST
Crashing a Roller takes some doing.

Further proof if any is needed that Rashford's lead has gone. Trouble is he is on a mega contract.
Report black shuck September 24, 2023 3:49 PM BST
Car crash performance from him imo just underlining it really..still..only a fortnight or so wages for being so gash
Report duffy September 25, 2023 5:38 PM BST
I thought Hannibal showed some promise, he's got some flair and did some good stuff, not ideal for us at the moment as he is undisciplined and basically wonders about wherever he feels like, got away with it against poor Burnley but not many other teams.

Hojlund had a poor game, should have scored when he basically just had to make contact with the ball and should have put Bruno in on another occasion but hesitated and then played it the wrong way.

We're seeing the exact problems playing out now that was always going to happen, Rashford's likely regression after last seasons outlier, no ready made goalscorer that was always going to be essential to a top 4 spot. 

What was less obvious to see coming but has made things even worse is players like casemiro and martinez falling off a cliff and all the off field stuff plus, and perhaps more importantly, certainly for ETH's future is that the players are questioning whether he is a bluffer, when you start to get stuff emerging from the dressing room it tends to suggest just that.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 25, 2023 6:12 PM BST
If we play as poorly as we played against Burnley against City then 0-10 is a distinct possibility.

The defence needs urgent attention. The midfield needs to prioritise their defensive duties. If the wingers down track back then they need to be dropped.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 25, 2023 7:28 PM BST
I wonder if Casemiro problems stem from the
refereeing that he suffered last season.
Again, if it is, it's fixable, but his tackling
seems to have gone down this season, which isn't great
for a dm. At least he hasn't been carded.

Fitting in new keeper and so many defensive injuries
doesn't help build the confidence required to kick on.

There's still plenty of talent there when it does click.
Report brentford September 25, 2023 8:02 PM BST
Martinez still not back to full sharpness after a serious injury - assuming that gets resolved properly I'm not too concerned about him...was having pain in the same area of the foot when he came off at Arsenal before the end though scan was clear and now missing a game with another minor issue ...can't be near your best when still having pain issues and has an impact on confidence as well...

Hojlund would have had 2 already in 4 starts without VAR and was inches away from getting on the end of one against Burnley - one he probably gets too when fully match sharp...looks hugely promising to me and if stays fit probably gets 10-12 goals in the PL (Rashford scored 17 in the PL)  so that immediately takes back the requirement for Rashford to replicate last season when Weghorst didn't score once in the league and only generated one assist.... Martial was also only fit to play 21 games (11 starts) with a 6 goal return still...

Defensively they weren't close to a first choice back 4 so can hardly expect that to look perfect and one of the key additions for MF stability has still only played about 7 mins and that as a makeshift left back late on...

some of the criticism is unjustified in the circs...if and when he has most (not all) fit, available and they've actually played some games together they still look s*** that would be a very different thing...
Report olddesperado September 26, 2023 10:57 AM BST
I'm not sure if any of the rags have reported this ,  a Google search has threw up nothing but it seems Sancho is still coming in at all times.
He was apparently as much as half an hour late yesterday .

Surely the club got to start fining him a weeks wages each time.
There has to be some mechanisms whereby they're on a legal entitlement to do something.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 26, 2023 11:55 AM BST
There will be agreed financial penalties for disciplinary transgressions written into each player's contracts.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 26, 2023 12:08 PM BST
Get the feeling Jadon's backing himself to last at Utd longer than Erik
Report SirNorbertClarke September 26, 2023 12:12 PM BST
Even if EtH was sacked tomorrow I doubt his replacement would tolerate a player turning up whenever he feels like it.

It's a multi-billion pound company not a Kibbutz.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 26, 2023 12:36 PM BST
yeah, but players down tools at every club when they don't fancy the manager. The owners will be weighing up a huge book loss on Sancho against his promises that he'd become an integral part of the team under the next guy.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 26, 2023 12:42 PM BST
My money is on Sancho being quietly fined and gone in January
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 26, 2023 12:58 PM BST
The players want Sancho to apologise according to itks.

So far he has not.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 26, 2023 1:57 PM BST
IIRC there is a rule that if a player does not player a certain number of times in a season when they have been available to play then they can force through a transfer or a release.
Report brentford September 26, 2023 10:21 PM BST
Nice full debut for Amrabadt...looks good on the ball.. energetic despite only just back from small lay off...good football intelligence with movement and use of ball..

hope ETH sees him and Cas' as the central MF 2 going forward as suddenly Casemiro looks better (oppo accepted)
(appreciate he was nominally LB tonight but spent more time in the inverted role due to Palace reserves not being up to much)

good energy from all the youngsters as you'd hope and expect...and Donnie VDB had some very nice touches when he came on..would love to see him come back into the first team equation if his training merits moaning.. just gets on with it ...been hard done by @ OT for me and obviously big injury lay off last season...but looked quite sharp..

Back pages and click bait going to have to make do with Chelsea for the time being...
Report the_don September 26, 2023 10:36 PM BST
Yeah, promising signs from Amrabat. A lot more energy and intent to win the ball back, close down etc from those on the pitch tonight - interesting
Report olddesperado September 27, 2023 7:34 AM BST
A poor palace side but plenty of food for thought last night.
Much more intensity and team work.
Everyone put in a shift with no walking around.
Maguire was his usual slow ponderous self on the ball but didn't give it away and did well defensively in fairness although his lack of pace showed badly in one second half break on us.
I know Casimero was excellent and Amerabat a great debut but Gore really impressed me when he came on . 
He was very composed on the ball and looked press resistant.
Report olddesperado September 27, 2023 7:52 AM BST
As bad as palace were you have to wonder if our total control had a bit to do with the lack of individualism and positioning that Bruno gives you.
The Bruno that first played for ole played a lot more controlled while still putting in some decent numbers but has turned into a very erratic moments player now.

The other thing quiet noticeable was the constant intensity from all the front three,  even Martial closed down as if he meant it not just half arsed jogging.

I know Rashford and Bruno are the talisman of the team but I hope going forward ten hag seen enough tonight to feel he can remove them when they are too erratic ( Bruno ) half arsed and sulking (Rashford).
Report SirNorbertClarke September 27, 2023 8:29 AM BST
Palace were ridiculously passive, they never threw any leather at all so absolutely impossible to judge  Amrabat's display.

I thought Dan Gore looked tidy when he came on but again Palace made it easy for him.

All we learned from last night's display is Palace are useless. I'd be surprised if we lost to them at the weekend.
Report duffy September 27, 2023 6:08 PM BST
Yeah, Palace were really poor and our side is probably going to look a whole lot different as well as theirs come Saturday.

In the interest of fairness and as I'd be one of his biggest critics I'm going to have to give Martial credit for the technique to score that goal, side foot with the ball coming up off of a half volley from that angle was very classy.

Apparently there have been some mixed thoughts on Amrabaats early days at OT with some thinking that he won't be quick enough for the EPL.
Report olddesperado September 27, 2023 6:26 PM BST
He can't be any slower than casemiro, Erickson and mctom surely.
Report duffy September 28, 2023 3:20 PM BST
Good pointGrin
Report brentford September 29, 2023 2:40 PM BST
Martinez out with what's officially now a re-aggravation of the injury from last season...possibly out for 2 months according to Manchester Evening news Plain

Reguilon unavailable with minor injury (3 left backs injured at the same time Plain  )

Anthony released after questioning and to return to training

Sancho still a t**....
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 29, 2023 3:47 PM BST
Report SirNorbertClarke September 30, 2023 3:50 PM BST
Uniteed look shockingly poor in the 1st half against the mighty Palace.

I've no idea what Rashford is doing on the pitch. A well deserved spell in the stands beckons.
Report SirNorbertClarke September 30, 2023 4:57 PM BST
No better in the second half. There just wasn't any guile to their play and it was all too easy for Palace to defend their goal.

The pressure is very firmly on EtH.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 30, 2023 5:00 PM BST
Ole at the
Report Racingqueen September 30, 2023 5:16 PM BST
As I said after a couple of games last season, ETH is a total bluffer.

Not improved a single player
All his buys have trash
He has no man management skills beyond bullying players to leave
Report Racingqueen September 30, 2023 5:31 PM BST
The football is now worse than anything under OGS
Report The Dragon September 30, 2023 5:35 PM BST
Report SlippyBlue September 30, 2023 9:29 PM BST
An amazing result, I'm quite literally astounded!
Obviously I never had sixpence on but three points more than compensate for that.
Report Aspro September 30, 2023 9:46 PM BST
Probably one of the few forums left where people even know what sixpence is Laugh

Good result for your boys Slippy... enjoy the moment.
Report SirNorbertClarke October 1, 2023 10:24 AM BST
I think EtH needs to be told he is currently on borrowed time.
Report brentford October 1, 2023 1:39 PM BST
Disappointing result as there was a real chance to get some momentum in to the season with a 3rd successive win ...but 4 defeats in 7 in the league pretty much bins any CL hope already and on performances to date 6th was probably already about the height of realistic expectation and that will be pretty challenging now with the likes of Brighton (despite loss at AV) , Villa and Spurs all off to good starts...

on the balance of the game deserved at least a point (poss 77%  XG 1.30 Utd  v Palace 0.90   efforts on goal 19 v 8   efforts on target 4 v 2)

but found it very difficult to open up a very disciplined and committed Palace...

in Utd's current state falling behind is always going make things tough and Roy probably spends more time on defensive shape and discipline than any manager in the PL currently...Utd lacked the craft to break it down for the most part and didn't maximise the limited chances they had..

Would have preferred to see Amrabat in MF and Dalot going to LB with Lindelof @ RB and Evans (or Maguire) playing in the middle but either way the number of injuries especially at the back remains a big part of the problem though clearly not the only terms of attacking play you're still talking about a lot of players that have only played a few meaningful games together so has to be given some time in my opinion to get that working better but will need to...

turns Galatassaray in to to a potentially very nervy evening.
Report SirNorbertClarke October 1, 2023 4:36 PM BST
A statement issued today by Erik ten Hagg

I would like to publicly apologise to all Manchester United fans for Saturday’s limp performance and wretched defeat against Crystal Palace.

I have fined all the players and coaches involved a month’s wages each and in future I will only draw my salary when we win.

I am aware there can be no repeat of Saturday’s performance and with that in mind I have bought Marcus Rashford a season ticket for the Bobby Charlton Stand.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! October 1, 2023 5:14 PM BST
Only a
Report SlippyBlue October 1, 2023 5:47 PM BST
Aspro, I'm old school, same as you are Sir. Wink

as an aside to this game, R.H. is the first manager to go 5 premier league games at Old Trafford unbeaten.I

Not bad going that. Well done Roy.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! October 1, 2023 8:50 PM BST
Sick note Martinez out for
3 months
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 1, 2023 8:54 PM BST
Good news for Utd. He's been absolute wank this season.
Report olddesperado October 1, 2023 9:02 PM BST
Pretty poor yesterday,  the MOTD highlights made us look much better than we were.
Other than the few chances shown we really created nothing.

It was all slow ponderous stuff until it got to Bruno and he just spray's it anywhere straight away.
He turns over so much I'm beginning to think his positives are no longer out weighing his negatives.
And just about every attack perishes on the rock of Rashford.

Ten hag needs to wake up to those two ,  Bruno is coachable I'd say but Rashford is a one trick pony.
Report olddesperado October 1, 2023 9:03 PM BST
Hardly surprising when he's been playing injured all season.
The operation wasn't a success.
Report olddesperado October 1, 2023 9:21 PM BST
As we hardly create anything as it is I'd like to see us be tighter and more energetic.
I'd put Evans or lindolof at left back and stick Amarat in midfield alongside casemiro and Hannibal.
Mount could play ahead of them with Hojland and Martial up front to see if they could form a partnership with Martial liking to drop off and link and Hojland liking to play on the shoulder.
Garnacho or Rashford could come on later against tired defenders.

One thing is certain is doing the same thing over and over is not working.
Report SirNorbertClarke October 1, 2023 11:28 PM BST
Football is a simple game. You either play possession football or counter attack.

If you play possession football you need two things, a locksmith to crack packed defensives and a pair of speedy intelligent centrebacks.

United posses neither. Hence the defeat to the Mighty Palace.

The answer is to give the ball away and depend on speed merchants.
Report Aspro October 2, 2023 12:46 PM BST
There is another option SNC... Angeball Devil

Just seen the highlights of this match. What a goal by Andersen!
Report PLACEWISE October 2, 2023 4:07 PM BST
To be fair the fans not all but majority and also the pundits alike would have you thinking last season rashford was the second coming I did write at the time he’s having a blip and will return to his natural ability very soon

Not sure about his goals but his last assist was for the kids and providing school meal vouchers
Report SlippyBlue October 2, 2023 4:39 PM BST
I've just seen this on Twitter, Hag and his interview after the Palace game.

"When we play, home or away, and we play Crystal Palace we have to win."

Think again buddy.

Report SirNorbertClarke October 2, 2023 6:24 PM BST
No offence slippy but United should be going for top 3 and beating Palace every time at OT and 9 times out of 10 at Selhurst Park.

That we ain't shows something is seriously wrong.
Report olddesperado October 2, 2023 8:11 PM BST
I'm absolutely delighted Liverpool have put out such a strong statement about pgmol or whatever they are called. 
It's about time someone did ,  I'm just raging it wasn't us.
All 3 big decisions were wrong in that game.
Like Casemiro last season the ref was shown a still and slow mo that made the tackle look totally different than it was.
The other red wasn't a yellow for the first offence and the offside was criminal.

They have been getting away with murder and were almost immune to criticism for some horrid decisions.
We incidentally have been one of the biggest sufferers of dodgy or inept officials game after game.
Just Saturday again a long ball from casemiro into Rashford was knocked out of play by the defenders arm. 25 yards is not too close to give it and the defender knew exactly what he was doing  me thinks.
Then 4 mins added time was just taking the biscuit.
They are almost doing it blatant to us now .
Ten hag or the club need to keep a dossier of all these incidents and who was officiating etc and put it out there.
It's worked for pep and klopp in the past, Wenger and Ferguson and jose before them.
As a whole club we are just too timid and afraid of confrontation from the players on the pitch to the management and those above them.
Report SlippyBlue October 2, 2023 8:25 PM BST
None taken Sir N. We're quite solid defensively though and only lost to Arsenal down to a late penalty. But I do appreciate that the expectations at O.T. far exceed any that we have @ S.P.

As a lifelong Palace supporter you don't really expect anything really, if we somehow manage to finish in the top ten this season well, that would be rather wonderful.

Report SirNorbertClarke October 3, 2023 5:15 PM BST
Palace are my closest Premier League club so if the Qataris buy United then I will be down Selhurst Park myself!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 3, 2023 5:38 PM BST
I'm absolutely delighted Liverpool have put out such a strong statement about pgmol or whatever they are called.
It's about time someone did

Report duffy October 3, 2023 5:44 PM BST
Agree, I want Liverpool to push this as far as possible, we can't let this go cold, let's get the audio and see any CCTV footage from within the the VAR room too. This is the moment where it can be pushed to change the rules where we get to hear what's going on like we do in Rugby.

What should be happening now is other clubs should be rallying around Liverpool to build momentum and demand change, we want a revolution!!!
Report SirNorbertClarke October 3, 2023 6:18 PM BST
How they have got away with so many glaring errors is simply unbelievable.

The audio should be available in real time.

Offside checks should be automated like Hawkeye.
Report SirNorbertClarke October 3, 2023 8:01 PM BST
Tonight is a very big night for EtH.

A win is the bare minimum.
Report 11kv October 3, 2023 8:27 PM BST
Ten bob and his twin brother looking slightly out of their depth
Report SlippyBlue October 3, 2023 8:45 PM BST
What a chance for Mount that was, should have buried that.
Report 11kv October 3, 2023 8:50 PM BST
Wilf looking pretty lean
Report SirNorbertClarke October 3, 2023 9:39 PM BST
Clown time from Onana.

EtH moves closer to the Out Door.
Report brentford October 4, 2023 1:16 AM BST
Some of the overall play was decent if no more that but absolutely killed by defensive mistakes...

Dalot should do better on the 1st goal ...

Amrabat again being asked to play left back (which I do put some blame on ETH for despite missing 3 LB's he has better alternatives) got done leading to the second goal and then he tries a hollywood ball from a deep left back position while two experienced central defenders get caught pushing up with their off balance team mate still 2 yards deeper...

Amrabadt (who I think looks very decent as a MF option) has now been directly involved in the concession of 3 goals in two games at LB (gave away the foul unnecessarily against Palace that lead to the goal).

Hojlund looking very good -  is the obvious plus (even the offside goal showed good quality and composure)  and they certainly created some decent chances - Rashford should probably have taken the shot himself or played it earlier if he was going to square it....Fernandes missed a good chance early on, Mount's goalbound effort hits Hannibal (may have been saved but would have needed a decent save)  great block from the Galatasaray defender on Garnacho's effort late on....

ETH has earned a chance at this season virtually regardless of current results and unless it gets even worse then especially in the context of all the injury issues they've had as well as other player issues I don't see the Utd board pulling the plug anyway...
Report duffy October 4, 2023 5:27 AM BST
The story should be all about Hojlund, I was very worried and 100% did not expect him to show what he did tonight so early in his United career but my concern was misplaced, his second goal tells you all you need to know about the player because it was a goal scored where the players mental poise is tested to the maximum as he had plenty of time as he raced toward gal to think about what was to come but he held himself together and delivered a beautiful touch to finish...all class, agree with Scholes he has the Van Nistleroy about him, that goal was a little bit like a goal RVN scored against Arsenal one night. Agree too, the offiside goal was a beauty as he shifts ad completely puts the defender off balance.

Both Onana and Varane are catastrophe's, have a look at Varane running he looks like a cripple, remember the clamour for Onana to replace DDG, it was said at the time that we'd see moments just like we saw tonight but it would be made up for by his ball playing abilities, well be careful what you wish for is all I can say because what has been clear pretty much from the start with him is that every time a shot comes in at him its as if he's playing dodgeball because he looks like he is trying to jump out of the way of it, he's very peculiar like he's being prodded with an invisible cattle prod resulting in what looks likes a startled leap when the ball approaches.
Report liberator of the oppressed October 4, 2023 6:50 AM BST
Apart from a couple one above mentioned they are rubbish head in hands man needed. Is an attitude problem a big disconnect and the quality is just so bad they are largely not good enough the Sheikh and Jimbo must be mightily relieved that was a costly close call the club are damaged to the core cannot see anything changing. Nobody in the right mind would buy that.
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