Liverpool Discussion Thread

His name is going to go stratospheric in the next season or two."

Going by the words of German football expert Raphael Honigstein, Liverpool's club-record £116m capture of Florian Wirtz could prove one of the deals of the summer.

The 22-year-old German attacking midfielder has agreed a deal to sign for the Premier League champions in a package that could eventually be worth a British record £116m.

"He will bring a lot of class and poise," Honigstein added on BBC Radio 5 Live. "He is more or less the fully-formed article.

"He has played for Leverkusen and Germany so knows the demands that are on him, but still, he will have to adjust to the pace of the Premier League and the more physical way.

"Opponents will try to negate his influence and that might prove a challenge, but he is young enough and good enough. He is not easily intimidated and stands up strong to the challenge. You are buying a super star."

Wirtz made his top-flight debut aged 17 for Bayer Leverkusen in May 2020 and just 19 days later he became the then-youngest goalscorer in Bundesliga history against the might of Bayern Munich - a club who were also in contention for his signature this summer.

Since making his debut for Leverkusen, Wirtz has provided 44 assists in the Bundesliga, ranking him third of all players - but everyone else in the top five is at least 29 years old, indicating his high ceiling for development.

He will become the second player Liverpool have bought from Bayer Leverkusen this summer, with right full-back Jeremie Frimpong having arrived in a £34m deal.

The Reds will now turn their attentions to securing a deal for Bournemouth left-back Milos Kerkez, with talks taking place about a deal of between £45m-£50m.

"They key factor was, unlike other clubs, Liverpool presented a really thought-out vision," said Honigstein. "A very clear vision of how and where he will play.

"At Bayern, it was very difficult to fit him in alongside Jamal Musiala, at Man City they haven't had that central player. I don't think any club came near when representing the ultimate package and vision."

exciting stuff

Liverpool left-back Andy Robertson has emerged as a shock leading transfer target for Atletico Madrid. Robertson is expected to face a strong challenge for his starting role next season with the Reds closing on a deal to sign £45million-rate Milos Kerkez from Bournemouth.

And the Scotland international, who is approaching the final 12 months of his current contract at Anfield, is towards the top of Atletico's wanted list as the Spanish outfit look to strengthen their defensive resources this summer.

Weirdly interesting and interestingly weird to see the Robbo to Atleti rumours. I hope it happens. Firstly, we all know he won't be first choice next season and he gets a good last contract and signing on fee as well as playing time at the top level. Also, it's a nice bit of anti-sentimentality from us. He's been a brilliant servant. Our best left back ever. But he's on the decline and it makes sense to get some money in for him rather than give him a few million for a year for him to play second fiddle. Also, it'd be fun to see him come up against Trent next year.

. Our best left back ever.


better that alan kennedy ?

yeah

Great luck to Robbie, fantastic servant to us. His derby will vs Trent as he’s called from now on

Liverpool are prepared to break the British transfer record to sign Newcastle and Sweden striker Alexander Isak, 25, this summer. (GiveMeSport)

Hang onto your hats!!!!

would be a massive surprise to me if we bought Isak - just dosent fit the FSG profile

I would assume would be a player exchange plus cash if it was to happen but would need a clear out if not to breach FFP

A lot of this stuff is click bate so its hard to determine whats what

100m gordon
175m isak

Take yer pick, if arsenal sanction the move(s)

crazy money that yhtl but look what we are paying for the German midfielder -so who knows- be surprised if we went for either at those prices.

having said that if we off load a couple to 50m each then we must be in the market

I've watched a fair bit of Gordon since we were linked to him last summer and I'll be honest, I just don't get it. Looks a mile off the level of Diaz, never mind any kind of improvement.

i think you are right PP and isnt he an Everton fan - not that that makes adiff but 100m

isak looks top top class and id love to add him to the squad

He's supposed to be a red isn't he. Massively boiling the blues' piss would be the big upside, but I reckon they'd ultimately be laughing at us for wasting so much on him.


Isak's ace. I always get the feeling he's a bit injury prone but not sure if that's really the case. I've always thought he's just too expensive. Especially with Wirtz now. But he's clearly the best out there not already tied to a mega-club.

Not havin Isak not a FSG buy at all. Looks like it'll be a new back four apart from Virgil. Frimpong, Guehi/Collins?  Van **** Kerkez
£35 million + add ons for Quansah unbelievable return that espec if a buy back put in. The sale of Quansah is bigger than any sale Arsenal have ever done, Kinell £38 is their biggest sale of oxlade-chamberlain!
Slot & the FSG are smashing at the moment. Unbelievable scenes if we get Guehi (he plays on the left but is right footed, in last yr of contract) and it's costing 12 million plus Quansah hahaha UTR

I don't want Guehi. He's just too short and we're already a pretty small team. I'd be much more keen on Nathan Collins if it was a coin toss.

Yeah a case can be made for both not seen much of Collins, what I've seen of Guehi he does look like a leader on & off the pitch (as we are gonna need someone to fill Virgil's boots when it's time) but I'd be more than happy with either at the cost of around £15 mill when you throw the Quansah money in. This really looks like Liverpool are setting out their goal to be the best in the world.

Shirley Quansah price is related to Wirtz price and
the sale of Flekken and Kelleher and kerkez , some nice accountancy
in there somewhere

Liverpool have agreed a £40m deal to sign left-back Milos Kerkez from Bournemouth.

The 21-year-old Hungary international is set to join the Premier League champions after two seasons with the Cherries.

Bournemouth have already signed Adrien Truffert from Rennes as his replacement.

Liverpool's deal for Kerkez comes with the Reds close to completing a club-record £116m move for Bayer Leverkusen attacking midfielder Florian Wirtz.

They have also signed Dutch right-back Jeremie Frimpong from the German club for £29.5m.

Serbia-born Kerkez began his senior career at Hungarian side Gyor before a move to Italian club AC Milan.

He failed to make an appearance for the Serie A outfit before a switch to Dutch team AZ Alkmaar in January 2022.

He helped AZ Alkmaar finish fourth in the Dutch top flight in 2022-23 when he scored five goals and provided seven assists in 52 appearances.

The Eredivisie side also reached the semi-finals of the 2022-23 Europa Conference League before being beaten by eventual winners West Ham.

Kerkez joined Bournemouth in summer 2023 when Liverpool sporting director Richard Hughes worked for the Cherries.

He played all 38 league games last season as Bournemouth finished ninth with a club-record 56 Premier League points, with Kerkez contributing two goals and six assists.

Kerkez, who has made 23 appearances for Hungary, will join compatriot Dominik Szoboszlai at Liverpool.

His expected arrival at Anfield leaves the future of Reds left-backs Andy Robertson, who has been linked with Atletico Madrid, and Kostas Tsimikas unclear.

Liverpool are keen to retain Robertson and allow current back-up Tsimikas to leave, but they acknowledge that 31-year-old Scot Robertson may want to move on in search of regular football.

liverpools transfer activity does not extend to a move for Newcastle United striker Alexander Isak, 25, with a deal for the Sweden not said to be imminent. (Telegraph )

But Liverpool boss Arne Slot is interested in a move for Crystal Palace and England defender Marc Guehi, 24. (Talksport),

Guehi will only move to Anfield if he is guaranteed to be starter. (Sky Sports)

cant see either coming if the above is true. no guarantees to be a strter at Anfield.

Reports yesterday, from reliable nufc journo, said
Liverpool had made no approach to Newcastle for isak.

Guehi will only move to Anfield if he is guaranteed to be starter. (Sky Sports)

This comment seems strainge if it is attributed to him as he conducted himself so well last season when Newcastle were chasing him, highly unprofessional thing to say verging on the prima donna, as I say, it doesn't fit with his attitude from last year.

All this business regarding Isak, Gordon though goes to what I was saying on the other thread about Newcastle reaching their level, there should not be any talk of your so called rivals being able to take your best players away from you whether it happens or not is beside the point. The owners are handcuffed with regards being able to flex their wealth in the transfer market so the arrival of the world's great players that their fans would have hoped for when they were bought is never going to happen and although they are now in a far better position than when under Ashley, they will not be able to take the final step to winning leagues.

You can't go from Newcastle's position 5 years ago to winning leagues next season
because of ffp.

But long term Newcastle owners happy to put money in and not
spend the transfer money on debt repayments and dividends to owners.

Patience is a virtue.

Yeah, good owners

Hand choppers

Quite....probably best to avoid moralizing on ownership if you are a Newcastle fan.

Man yoo fans obsessing about the best United in the league on the Liverpool thread

Lol, mighty, fallen.

Only pulling your leg...YHTL

Jun 21, 2025 -- 1:41PM, duffy wrote:

Guehi will only move to Anfield if he is guaranteed to be starter. (Sky Sports)This comment seems strainge if it is attributed to him as he conducted himself so well last season when Newcastle were chasing him, highly unprofessional thing to say verging on the prima donna, as I say, it doesn't fit with his attitude from last year.All this business regarding Isak, Gordon though goes to what I was saying on the other thread about Newcastle reaching their level, there should not be any talk of your so called rivals being able to take your best players away from you whether it happens or not is beside the point. The owners are handcuffed with regards being able to flex their wealth in the transfer market so the arrival of the world's great players that their fans would have hoped for when they were bought is never going to happen and although they are now in a far better position than when under Ashley, they will not be able to take the final step to winning leagues.

It's not instant though. The pulling and keeping power of Man City is way different to what it was ten or fifteen years ago. And there's always still a pecking order. Look at Trent. As for Gordon, I wouldn't be surprised if the club is perfectly happy to see his name linked to other clubs to see if they could get a good wedge in for him. They could do a lot better imo.

I agree about Gordon, but the point is that it should be an affront, whether in certain circumstances you'd be happy to get rid or not, to see your so called best players being linked to rivals, that would have to stop, yes City's pulling power is dfferent now, but that's pulling power getting players in, that takes time and is different to player's leaving, from the moment the new owners arrived their best players leaving or being linked to a rival would have ceased immediately unless City were happy for it to happen. IMO

obsessing?

I think pulling and keeping power are ultimately the same thing. And it's all about hierarchy. City have climbed the ladder for England. In reality they're probably top dogs (or would be without the cloud hanging over them). They're serial winners, got the best coach, great team mates and can pay better than anyone else. But as with Trent and going back to Ronaldo with you guys, all English teams will still play second fiddle to the Spanish giants. That's just how it is. Newcastle are a bit like City under Mark Hughes or Mancini. Getting better, are a big draw for up an coming players from smaller teams but not yet a big and established name to get proper superstars in. It's more likely than not that they'll get there as they have unlimited funds, but just not yet.

Liverpool-target Marc Guehi, 24, is prepared to see out the final year of his contract at Crystal Palace if the centre-back does not get the right offer for his career, despite the Eagles being keen to cash in on the England defender. (Guardian)

more positioning going on here i reckon

PoP - Evertonians would indeed be happy to see the Reds spaff big money on Anthony Gordon, especially as i believe EFC would be in line for a bonus via a sell on clause.

dont need dont want Gordon- izak a differrent kettle of fish- if we land him then watch out everyone else

Gordon is an embarrassing diver.

Gordon, imo, is good player but nowhere near great and (again imo) flattered to be seen in an England shirt. I wouldn't want him at Spurs. VERY surprised he's linked with 'pool.

Germany playmaker Florian Wirtz says making the decision to move to Liverpool was "easy", saying the club is a "top-three team" in the world.

i like this guy already

Any club that wins the Premier League must have one of the best squads in the world

Hmmm Dragon. Terence Trent Darby (pet name) can't say what he said about Real but Wirtz can?

Regardless, I think at this moment both of them right. Liverpool are a strong side and the PL is arguably the best, but Real are (imo) the best of them all.

He's known by that name in my house too

I doubt we're alone SNC

Reds supporters think Trent should have said to the Pool management "If you Let me stay..."

Instead he headed to Madrid and they showed him the contract and told him to "Sign Your Name".

morning aspro there is a difference in saying top three clubs in the worl and the best club in the world.

TAA showed no diplomacy whatsover and was bound to antagonise Liverpool fans further , but hey ho its only words in the scheme of things.

It's the same thing really. Players get lots of media management nowadays. Say something nice about the club. Now something about the fans. etc etc. That's all it is. He wouldn't be here if he wasn't getting a tasty rise on his Leverkusen pay, just as Trent wouldn't be in Madrid without becoming even more rich in the process. All the little speeches are just part of the theatre to get the plebs thinking they're doing it for love and not personal wealth and ambition.

I hear you Dragon, but it's the name of the game, as PoP rightly pointed out. Carrick was the same when he left West Ham and then us for Utd; it was 'his' club, which I do believe was a true statement, but they all say it. Harry Kane was a Gooner, but never outwardly said it and Bergkamp (allegedly) grew up supporting Spurs... as did Roy Keane who actually admitted this on TV. There are many more that can be added to the list. I personally don't think TAA done a lot wrong, but I do appreciate that Liverpool supporters may think differently though. Only one player has ever riled me, Sol Campbell, but that was a different set of circumstances, as Mes correctly pointed out. And the world keeps on turning.

You'd have to be a special sort of stupid not to big up the team you are going to after a high profile move particularly if that team is real madrid and given the spanish press are ruthless

If any Liverpool supporters are upset about that they need to grow up and realise its all part and parcel of high profile moves

betrayal never is a good thing

as i have said on many occasions fiar play to TAA to move on and better himself in his opinion. 

but hes defo gone about it in a very naive and ill advised why.

he obviously knew he was going and learnt his spanish over a period of time.

lfc were also totally at fault to let him go on a freebie- biggest mistake the have made in a well managed club.

he also is totally responsible for his comments abour real madrid beinfg the biggest club in the world but as a true liverpool fan that grates and i dont think he will erbe welcomed back bu the club and the supporters who gave him everythinfg.

people who are other than liverpool fans will never understand what im saying

Liverpool allowed a few contracts to run down, and maybe they
will learn from this. Lots of players leave on much better terms
and remain club legends.

Don't burn bridges as you may need them one day

TAA had been with liverpool since he was 6 years old. the club gave him everything and nurtured his exceptional to totally adored you

he chose to follow the greed that is real madrid which is totally fine .. and i get that

but hey dont say they are the best club in the world when u have just left the best club in the world and fans who adored you

so disrespectful

he could have said that real madrid are the only club in the world he would have left liverpool for.

^^^ exactly

The club developed a first team player and he gave everything back
Supporters who have no knowledge of the youth system don’t understand how ruthless it is
TAA managed to get through the youth system and deserves everything he earns. If he had got to badly injured the club would have dropped him as quickly as a fat kid eats cake
Agents employed Kenny Dalglish to go round advising you ng players who were about to sign their first contract to get a good deal out of the club
The club probably throws 99 per cent of the kids and young men on the football scrap heat with minimal support leading to mental health issues even suicide. TAA set up a charity to support these and I totally respect him for that

At least he didn’t say he had been a secret Real Madrid supporter as a kid and photo shopped a Real Madrid shirt on him when he was 10

Liverpool have opened talks with Crystal Palace over a deal to sign their captain Marc Guehi, with the 24-year-old England defender said to favour a move to Anfield this summer

Bayer Leverkusen have signed defender Jarell Quansah from Liverpool in a £35m deal.

The 22-year-old centre-back has joined the German Bundesliga club on a five-year contract.

Quansah was part of the England side that won the European Under-21 Championship by beating Germany in the final on Saturday.

His move is the third deal between the clubs this summer after Liverpool signed midfielder Florian Wirtz and defender Jeremie Frimpong.

Newcastle wanted to sign Quansah last summer, as part of a deal to send winger Anthony Gordon to Liverpool, but the Reds turned down the proposal.

As Quansah is a homegrown player, the fee Liverpool received from Leverkusen will be recorded as 'pure' profit with regards to profit and sustainability rules (PSR).

Quansah came through the Liverpool academy and made 58 appearances for the club, scoring three goals.

He helped the Reds win the League Cup in 2024 and made 13 league appearances last season as Arne Slot's side won the Premier League.

"He has already made an impressive impact in a Liverpool defence dominated by world-class players," said Leverkusen sporting director Simon Rolfes.

"With Jarell, our defence gains significant dynamism, pace and toughness in tackling, and he's another very important building block for the future."

Liverpool are interested in Crystal Palace centre-back Marc Guehi, amid uncertainty over Ibrahima Konate's future.

The France centre-back has 12 months left on his contract at Anfield and is yet to agree an extension, while Joe Gomez's future is also unclear.

not sure selling was the best option - we shall see

Good luck to the lad

Yes good Luck to the Both of the Local Lads 40 odd Million 100% Profit Nice bit of Bizzo There Liverpool

I’m hearing some very sad news for Liverpool fans this morning hope I’m wrong

BBC reporting that Diogo Jota has passed away.

RIP - one of the best players to ever play for Wolves

Lamborghini tyre blow out apparently.

Such sad news, tragic.

His brother as well

Really sorry to hear this awful, shocking news.
Just unbelievable, something you just don't expect to happen!
Thoughts with you all.

Such sad news

Devastating for family

Rest easy Diogo YNWA

absolutely devastating news
Only got married recently and leaves a wife and 3 young kids
the poor parents losing 2 sons - so tragic
wonderful intelligent player who was absolute quality

RIP Diogo

Terrible news, so sad for all of the family.

RIP Diogo and Andre

You know that Jerry?

I once had a front-wheel blow-out on the M25. You don't know its coming and the steering wheel immediately shifts to the direction of the blow out. Very hard to control, especially in today's cars where the steering is so light we tend not to hold on so tight and easily lose control in this scenario. Scared the life out of me, but thankfully I was in a clear pocket of traffic and veered straight onto the hard shoulder. On another day it could have been catastrophic. Very fortunate indeed. It's not always the driver.

I cant even believe I'm responding to the last post but Police confirmed they had a tyre blow out  forced them off the road and the car burst on fire
There are some real low life scum underachievers with obvious issues (some mental health) that frequent this forum but you JerryHatrick are at the bottom of the barrel.

Aye, some real scumbag trolls out there.
Reported it so hopefully the mods will remove it.

I had a front wheel blowout on the M6 and it was one of the most terrifying things that has happened to me

Lucky I was in the inside lane and luckily the traffic was light

they had a tyre blow out dickhe5d so there will be skid marks as he has tried to brake to slow the car down. Hes lost control of the car

You come on here making out that its their own fault with no evidence asnd ignoring what the police have said. A family has lost a father , husband sons I actually feel sorry for - you must lead a sad existance

no obviously not because my car never went through a barrier and burst into flames you cretin

Im not wasting my time on you - I do feel sorry for you though you must really have issues

Were there any witnesses to it?

I assume the occupants in the car they were overtaking will have been interviewed
The police have made the statement on the tyre blowout etc and have said nothing else as far as I can see but obviously people on this forum posting from their bedroom  witnessed the crash

Deepest sympathies to the two lads family and friends and to all Liverpool supporters, puts everything into perspective.

YNWA.

I think you’re being a wee bit unfair, we are all trying to piece it together. Whilst we are very shocked by his death you are clearly more affected than most by the tragedy and you have all our sympathy.

Probably more affected by people calling things out without any knowledge and showing such glee. Poor taste.

Who showed glee?

jerry almost

Sry, I didn’t read it that way.

Well you cant piece anything together until the police release another statement and tell you. Trying to blame Diogo for reckless driving without any evidence like it was a fact rather then expressing sympathy for a tragic accident is very scummy given the impact on the family. Like its his fault he died cos he was driving recklessly

The police specifically referred to him overtaking a car, a tyre blowout hitting a barrier and ending in a ditch in flames. They never mentioned or probably will never know for certain what speed he was doing (the limit on a A road in Spain is usually 90km an hour). Given it was 12.30 I expect the roads werent busy

Nobody knows what impact the make up of the sports car had on the damage - carbon made??

I assume there will be an investigation and report

I agree.  The early police statement confirming a blowout doesn’t tell us that much.  What a tragedy.

It tells us there was a tyre blow out when overtaking which caused the car to lose control. Isnt that enough. What else was there to say at that moment

As i said i had a front tyre blow out on the M6 and am convinced would have died if there hadnt been a hard shoulder and verge

Reading that he was driving to get back to Liverpool, having had minor surgery so
advised not to fly.

It really is such a tragic accident and loss

A blow-out when overtaking must have been a nightmare. Considering one manoeuvre (overtaking) and then having to consider another totally unexpected manoeuvre would panic anyone.

As both rothko and myself have found, it is a very scary experience when simply driving in a straight line. God knows what it's like in this scenario. Just the thought of it makes me shudder.

Absolutely Aspro.
Unless you're a racing driver, it'll be very difficult for a layman not to panic in such a scenario when going at speed.

This has really hit hard.
Wiping away tears just thinking about this all.

Q.  Did either of you hit the brake pedal?

I heard not only will that put the car in a spin but likely break your ankle / leg on impact.

I have been told not to brake but try and steer it to a halt and foot off the gas naturally. Instinct is hard to resist but I use it when aquaplaning.

You could see the skid marks on the road which were short, angled and not indicative of careless speeding and heavy breaking.

my friend who works in the motor trade said that lambourginis are very hard to control once they go off course. apparrently they are known for it - no idea if he is right.

its amazing the emotions this tradegy has raised. one of my neighbours who is 75 and a man utd fan told me that he wept when he heard the news and that it reminded him of the Munich disaster in 1958 when he was 8 and it was the only time he saw his father cry. Incredible story and the epitomy of the solidarity and togetherness of football that can bring such emotion even against arch local rivals.

Very humbling.

I too shed a tear on the news and still am in a state of shoke. Just a feeling of total sadness and disbelief. Words cannot expain the tradgedy for the famlty and their friends. Our thoughts and prayers will be forever with them.

YNWA

I'm a gooner & don't think I'd be less upset if it had been one our players.

The guy's just had the best 2 months of his life: EPL, Nations Cup, married & now gone.

Such a nice bloke too, so well liked.

*more obviously - not even thinking straight.

Yeah, he was such a humble fella.

Q.  Did either of you hit the brake pedal?

I can't recall, but more than likely did WD. One thing you never forget is the yank of the steering wheel; you don't get even a microsecond to react, you're already veering.

A good tip for anyone reading this. Keep both hands on the steering wheel at all times, especially on motorways or duel carriageways. One handed driving, which so many do, will not save you in a blowout.

A friend of mine smashed her ankle to bits in a head in. Jumped on the brake and the impact went through the pedal. On top of that I have heard if you brake on a blow out it is likely to spin. Hard to fight nature but like I said when aquaplaning or skidding on ice I avoid braking.

Just a suggestion but would like to know from someone with expertise

What struck me was there is so much misery going on around the World with so many innocent people being murdered in War zones, starved to death and generally so many people living in misery juxtaposed to Diogo and his family who had everything and was living a fairytale.

The wedding picture of his wife, his childhood sweetheart and the three children was quite heartbreaking.

As sad as it was, similar experience raise their heads at times like this, which are passed on to others. All for good.