Football
Well done Vertonghen backers
Finished 5th but a massive club in the 2nd tier,
Watford and Norwich finished top 2 previous season and Brentford went up via the playoffs...
The top 2 finished 20th and 19th Brentford comfortably stayed up
It doesnt always work out the top 2 do better, and id say Sunderland are a much bigger club with better prospects than Rotherham for example
Theyll be similar to Bristol City in my opinion
But its probably more about plugging away for them at the minute, getting the debt down whilst staying decent enough on the pitch
May 24, 2022 -- 6:18PM, DOUBLED wrote:
Fair enough SS ... we shall see but I predict bottom half at best as they have massive debts at the club and wont be able to offer the wages that gets you better players.
how much are we in debt ?
May 25, 2022 -- 10:20AM, grayhawk wrote:
Massive M2...i read it on here
This will not be a problem unique to SAFC at the present time but let me be clear. If Donald and Methven were still the majority owners at SAFC, there would have been a real risk of administration. That immediate risk has diminished due to the new owner’s personal wealth (or at least his family’s) but the club is still making hefty financial losses. This should not be a surprise to KLD. The club have lost £1/4b in the last ten years. SAFC are the very definition of a ‘financial basket case’.
KLD has stated that he does not want to go down the route of previous SAFC owners in propping up the club but in the short term, it’s difficult to see what else he can do. But covering short term losses does not improve the infrastructure of the club or improve the team on the pitch. It essentially just keeps the administrator away. And all the time, the debt edges up.
For over a decade, SAFC have thrown good money after bad. The hope is always that at some stage in the future, if enough cash is thrown at the club, it might become successful and start making money. Any business owner will tell you that this approach rarely succeeds. At some stage, SAFC have to become self-sustaining.
In 19/20, SAFC’s wage bill was £16.3m (the figures for last season are not yet available). In 21/22, I estimate that wages will not be permitted to exceed £8.7m (60% of projected income of £14.5m).
So effectively, SAFC will have to halve their wage bill from that incurred in 19/20 when they missed out on the play-offs. They may have started that wage trimming last season but it’s clear that they will still need to trim considerably more next season. Both Johnson and Louis-Dreyfus have confirmed as much in interviews since the end of the season.
May 25, 2022 -- 2:22PM, DOUBLED wrote:
So, it’s with a heavy heart, that I’m forced to write about what this financial predicament will mean to SAFC’s future. Spoiler – it’s bleak.This will not be a problem unique to SAFC at the present time but let me be clear. If Donald and Methven were still the majority owners at SAFC, there would have been a real risk of administration. That immediate risk has diminished due to the new owner’s personal wealth (or at least his family’s) but the club is still making hefty financial losses. This should not be a surprise to KLD. The club have lost £1/4b in the last ten years. SAFC are the very definition of a ‘financial basket case’.KLD has stated that he does not want to go down the route of previous SAFC owners in propping up the club but in the short term, it’s difficult to see what else he can do. But covering short term losses does not improve the infrastructure of the club or improve the team on the pitch. It essentially just keeps the administrator away. And all the time, the debt edges up.For over a decade, SAFC have thrown good money after bad. The hope is always that at some stage in the future, if enough cash is thrown at the club, it might become successful and start making money. Any business owner will tell you that this approach rarely succeeds. At some stage, SAFC have to become self-sustaining. In 19/20, SAFC’s wage bill was £16.3m (the figures for last season are not yet available). In 21/22, I estimate that wages will not be permitted to exceed £8.7m (60% of projected income of £14.5m).So effectively, SAFC will have to halve their wage bill from that incurred in 19/20 when they missed out on the play-offs. They may have started that wage trimming last season but it’s clear that they will still need to trim considerably more next season. Both Johnson and Louis-Dreyfus have confirmed as much in interviews since the end of the season.
how much are we in debt ?
but they will have to decide what they are going
to do over ownership.
The French guy not really pushing hard enough
to take control for many fans I know.
I'm not convinced the standard can be hugely
better, it's just a different style as much
as anything, and Sheff utd, Luton seem to have
done OK in recent years after promotion.
May 25, 2022 -- 4:45PM, grayhawk wrote:
I wonder what the difference is between being skint and heavily in debt.
Following promotion to the Sky Bet Championship, Bailey Wright, Lynden Gooch and Patrick Roberts have been offered new contracts at the Stadium of Light.
Winger Aiden McGeady will depart the club after five years, while Arbenit Xhemajli, Jordan Willis and Lee Burge will also leave when their respective contracts expire on 30 June 2022.
Callum Doyle, Jack Clarke, Nathan Broadhead and Ron-Thorben Hoffmann have also returned to their parent clubs.
Everyone at Sunderland AFC would like to thank the players for their professionalism and commitment during their time at the club and wish them well for the future.
Adam Richardson
Alex Pritchard
Anthony Patterson
Cameron Jessup
Carl Winchester
Corry Evans
Dan Neil
Danny Batth
Dennis Cirkin
Elliot Embleton
Ellis Taylor
Ethan Kachosa
Harrison Sohna
Jack Diamond
Jacob Carney
Jay Matete
Leon Dajaku
Luke O'Nien
Nathan Newall
Niall Huggins
Ross Stewart
Thomas Scott
Trai Hume
Contract To Be Offered
The club are in discussions with the following players regarding signing a new contract at the club:
Bailey Wright
Lynden Gooch
Patrick Roberts
Aiden McGeady
Arbenit Xhemajli
Cieran Dunne
Jack McIntyre
Jordan Willis
Kenton Richardson
Lee Burge
Nicky Gyimah-Bio
Patrick Almond
Sam Wilding
Stephen Wearne
Tyrese Dyce
Ugonna Emenike
Vinnie Steels
Will Grigg
Will Harris
Loan Players
The following players will return to their parent clubs following the expiration of their loan deals:
Callum Doyle
Jack Clarke
Nathan Broadhead
Ron-Thorben Hoffmann
Youth Players Offered Professional Contracts
Caden Kelly
Harrison Bond
Harry Gardiner
Second-Year Scholars Released At The End Of Their Scholarship
Lakhraj Singh Lohia
Luke Chapman
Samuel Irons
May 25, 2022 -- 7:20PM, grayhawk wrote:
Who are Cameron Jessup and Thomas Scott .....i've never heard of them
nah, same here, jessup centre haff, scotts a midfielder
May 26, 2022 -- 6:36PM, grayhawk wrote:
Seen it posted on RTG earlier and we were saying the same amongst ourselves last weekend........the two most popular words you heard down London last Friday and Saturday were ...........Howww much
aye, 6 pund a pint when im used to 3, dear god.
...just get your card out, click and gerrit supped....dread to think what i was paying for a round when some began to tackle the shorts.Credit card statement awaited with bated breath
May 26, 2022 -- 7:42PM, grayhawk wrote:
I paid eight pund for a bottle of cider early on Friday before i got to the point where you don't even listen to the damage ...just get your card out, click and gerrit supped....dread to think what i was paying for a round when some began to tackle the shorts.Credit card statement awaited with bated breath
Actually strting to feel nervous now
Im going down there but will not be in the stadium as Ive not attended enough games to even be considered, which is fair enough I wouldnt take tickets of someone who attended a lot more games than myself anyway. But theres a lot going down so we can still make a weekend of it and hope we get the result.
Either way what a season, reminds me of Dowies Palace run to promotion via the playoffs, Reading a few years back went on a run of 18 wins out of 19 or something ridiculious and won the league albeit from further up the table when the run started.
Enjoy the weekend...
Remember the police don't let you drink cans on Wembley way and were supposed to be making the surrounding pubs stop serving @ 1:45pm....dunno if this was carried out in the pubs mind cos we drank around Baker street before the game.
I dont drink unless its a big occasion, and with everyone in the group drinking ill just join in and enjoy it
and thought fook that for a game of soldiers...we were in Maple Leaf the start of both nights ..could get served nee bother with a bit of bait if you wanted it
But with a big crowd and such a game, not to mention the drinking you can be sure theres gonna be a few that go over board
Cheers MM
May 27, 2022 -- 7:49PM, grayhawk wrote:
I was out in street afterwards M2 but don't think allowed drinking on Wembley way...after game went for one in Wembley tavern to let crowds disperse but half of Sunderland must have had same idea...waited 20 minutes without getting served and thought fook that for a game of soldiers...we were in Maple Leaf the start of both nights ..could get served nee bother with a bit of bait if you wanted it
got back to white lion about 1/2 6 or so , got served nee bother, started to pick up about 8 or so, people turning up with carry out packs and drinking a few outside before making way to traflagar sq.
The more I've dwelt on it this week, the more special it has become.
.....the amount of ex players who were there to witness it is canny anall
...
May 28, 2022 -- 12:52PM, grayhawk wrote:
Our youngens just texted me with similar
a fellow shrewdie
Jersey to commemorate 150 years of fa cup.
They are Roy of rovers style
1973 is there in Montgomerys double save, and
you get bonus of Hereford scoring v Newcastle!
https://jerseystamps.com/products/great-fa-cup-moments-stamp-set
..
https://www.heardle.app/
May 29, 2022 -- 12:54PM, Poppydog. wrote:
See if you can get today's 'Heardle' in one or two seconds:
May 29, 2022 -- 6:27PM, grayhawk wrote:
What a horrible place to lose is Wembley...
especially if dont turn up and have nee shots on target.
May 29, 2022 -- 6:31PM, grayhawk wrote:
Been there M2
exactly, got the t shirt
Hard luck on Huddersfield with that 2nd penalty shout but ive said it many times var is a horrible piece of tech that will be dreaded next season ffs, we better get use to that boot being on the other foot next season from a Forest perspective
You wont see a more epic dull as dish water 1-0 though, dull but so good at the same time
“Its used simply for the brand that is premiership, it fuels controversy which is whats its used for the prem brand”
Spot on cant disagree with him on that
Every fooker is what in party mood just getting drinks in, never kmew a football game would be so celebrated and damn can we knock back drinks in this country
Hearing the kids walking down the street this morning chanting you reds was nice to hear though they enjoyed it mroe than the adults I think
Jun 8, 2022 -- 4:06PM, grayhawk wrote:
Presume a few of the lads will be off to Dundee...another ground chalked off for them
aye, should be canny day out. go and see the beano offices .
So thankful we're outta that god forsaken league
Help me out on the Eight pictured?
Nee idea on the owld fella
Tracker - wasn't born ...To tell the truth ..i knew we'd beat you but couldn't remember the score so did google itWell done M2
Jun 15, 2022 -- 8:45PM, grayhawk wrote:
Tracker - wasn't born ...To tell the truth
I was pretty sure of 4 of the 8, but wanted to leave it open
SAFC Retro Photographs No:12a
SAFC Retro Photographs No:12b
Jun 22, 2022 -- 9:37AM, swift-tuttle wrote:
have the two villains gone?
one left
Jun 22, 2022 -- 11:29AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Got to be good not having the crypto lot!
damn right
...would rather have been away first if i'd narn that was the case
...all being that it's nee HD
I'd guess around the 31,500 mark...
Jun 23, 2022 -- 4:07PM, grayhawk wrote:
Slowly but surely inching our way up to 30k season tickets selt....our recruitment over the next six weeks should determine how many we end up with.I'd guess around the 31,500 mark...
need some signings tbh, roberts could be a start.
