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Looked knackered last night, gave the penalty as he couldn't bare the thought of running around for another 30 minutes.
pen was't a pen either, change speed settings to 0.25 seconds, Benatia made clear contact with the ball as it rebounded off of Vasquez chest and then got away from him, at which point he fell to the ground either through momentum or intentionally.
Not a pen, good defending.
https://youtu.be/3zPU8HJES9k?t=4m34s
pen was't a pen either, change speed settings to 0.25 seconds, Benatia made clear contact with the ball as it rebounded off of Vasquez chest and then got away from him, at which point he fell to the ground either through momentum or intentionally.
Not a pen, good defending.
https://youtu.be/3zPU8HJES9k?t=4m34s
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thought it was very harsh......
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You can't give a pen unless you are 100% certain. NO way it was a def penalty, so shouldn't have been given.
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It was no push at all. If you push someone your arms forcefully extend in front of you. Benatia arms moved backwards yet Vasquez fell forward in the opposite direction.
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Problem is, it's difficult to tell completely twelve hours later, whereas the ref has to make a decision right then. Hence, VAR needed. But he needed to be certain it was a penalty, and I can't believe he was
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Thought it was a pen. Got to give credit to the ref for having the balls to make that call given how easy it would have been to take the safe option, knowing both teams would have another 30 minutes to duke it out.
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No credit for giving the penalty to the home side..now if he had given it to the Italians that's another matter.
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Even Var would not have sorted that one , its a matter of opinion so who decides in the end ? , very unfortunate for the Italians who played the game of their lives
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It is simply one for the romantics. Plucky Juve come back from 3 down only to conceded a pen in the last minute. Add to which the shame of one of the greatest players of all time getting sent off in his final CL match. Sad, but I think the ref applied the rules properly.
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hello stranger
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Stupid and clumsy challenge, player went down easy but entitled to, not a stone waller but silly challenge, seen a lot worse given that that one last night
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Great challenge, made clean, clear contact with the ball.
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Was a pen alright, a soft one but a penalty none the less.
If the player made a challenge from behind like that outside the box it would have been a free straight away, so penalty was to correct decision imo. |
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Funny but I always thought that if a tackler made a successful contact on the ball before any part of his body touched any part of the opponents body, it was not a foul, so long as the subsequent contact wasn't intentionally nasty. Silly me.
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Pen for me. Defender pushes him in the back with both hands. He got his foot around him and got the ball with his shin but also kicked the player in the chest with his boot before or at the same time, but all that was after the push.
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at best it was a very soft penalty and i very much doubt he'd have given it at the other end, madrid get a lot of decisions like this, i think in games of this importance it needs to be clear cut, it wasnt
buffon will regret his actions and probably said something that deserved a red, this made ronaldos job easier knowing he had a weaker keeper to beat and if he missed they then had 30 minutes against 10 men to go through, poor from someone of his experience if understandable |
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Superb shout Mes, great challenge??, have you ever played football?, if so when were you taught that you need to use your hands to make a tackle, whether or not it was a hard enough push to make him go over is irrelevant esp in the modern game but to say its a great challenge sums up your argument because the great challenge started with the 2 hands on the back of the player before any contact with the ball
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jon b 12 Apr 18 12:42
Stupid and clumsy challenge, player went down easy but entitled to, not a stone waller but silly challenge, seen a lot worse given that that one last night if as ref i was in any doubt as to whether pen or not, any thought that attacker had gone down cos he felt he was entitled to would always sway me in favour of No Pen |
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By the letter of the law it was a pen, but its time the laws changed. A penalty is a game changer whenever its given with around 90% chance of a goal and don't believe just any foul in the area should result in such a draconian price to pay for the team that concedes it. How many games are changed due to a little tap or ball being blasted at a hand etc because it's technically a foul- it's like using a sledge hammer to smash a peanut with the size of consequences resulting from something relatively innocuous. I think penalties should only be given if it denies a clear goal scoring opportunity or a very serious foul.. the madrid player wouldnt have got the ball down in time to score IMO and it shouldnt be given.
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We had it in the England vs Italy game where someones running pattern accidentally trod on another player, it makes a mockery of the game where something so minor affects the whole match. It should be for a blatant foul or not given at all. You could have the best tactician in the world leading in a game, someone accidentally brushes someone in the penalty area which is technically a foul and a game changer.. time the laws were updated like the back pass rule. Footballs a contact sport after all, it's not ballet dancing
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jon your post about a player 'entitled' to go down was embarrassing.
Contact with players back was minimal, there was no push, Vasquez felt a touch and reacted, they're taught to do that. Kind Regards. |
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everyone here would have been up in arms if it had been your team and not given. the juventus players knew it was a pen
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did they? they did a pretty good impression of players that didnt
 Usually when players know it's a pen, there's little protest |
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pen was't a pen either, change speed settings to 0.25 seconds
How do you do that in your head as it happens and as you have to make a decision in a split second - very impressive if you can do that old boy? It was a pen, if Juve don't get that at the other end (and I believe they would have) then their players react in the same way they did last night. No way anybody can say it def wasn't a pen - remembering some of the bs posted on here when posters are involved in the game more! |
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Leaving the penalty decision aside the game was simply too big for this ref, he looked terrified. The problem with refs in general now is that they go for the card before having a little chat with a player. Refs now come across as full of themselves with a 'how dare you' attitude if players protest. In any walk of life it's hard to keep the head if the other person just refuses to listen to you, let alone huge football games. The same refs aren't doing enough to stop diving either. A few of Ronaldos attempts to win a free were rightly waved away, so why wasn't he booked? As I said earlier the ref was out of his depth, and he's not the only one at this level of the game.
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whether you like VAR or not it makes absolute sense in situations like this, 2 big clubs with their seasons main focus all decided by a split second decision made under huge pressure by the ref, much better to refer incidents like this and take the heat out of the situation, the other night in an MLS game a striker was red carded for simulation in the box (2nd yellow) it was correctly changed by VAR to a penalty and no sending off, a huge turnaround to say the least
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would var have helped here ? still people arguing if pen or not.
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thats the point, it wasnt clear so no pen
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but no way it would have been overturned on VAR or any sort of replay system assuming the onfield decision gets the benefit of any doubt
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no, but i think if oliver had had the option of referring it instead of making a decision (as we see refs doing in leagues using VAR), he would have done so this situation given there must have been some doubt and what was at stake
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but then is he not guilty of reffing the occasion and not the match ?
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if we want the officials to be jobsworths then many more situations should probably be referred but thats not very practical and so it needs to be used sensibly
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there is so much pushing and pulling in the game now i believe its the correct decision and it should be penalised every time. A push is a foul, as is a pull.
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For all those saying it was a pen, does the entire tie deserve to be settled on such a soft "foul" or is it time we look at what constitutes a penalty. Common sense should prevail , if we gave a penalty with every " foul" we would have ten a game and itd turn into rugby with conversion rates of penalties being the main factor in buying a striker than flair.
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you surely cant chose which laws to invoke and which not to. remember de jongs drop kick in wc final of 2010, webb chose not to send him off.
sorry but you cant keep someone on the pitch who has just dropped kicked someone irrespective if its a wc final or not ( wouldnt shock me min if there was a fifa directive to try and keep 22 on pitch if possible ) . |
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I doubt any ref looking at VAR wouldn't have given a penalty. Just because people are debating it doesn't mean it's not clear cut under the rules. At best you could say it was one of those that could go either way, so I don't think Juve can complain. If it wasn't given Real could complain just as much.
But still a push just as he was stooping to head the ball and a clear pen for me. If the defender doesn't push him he's not getting any of the ball because he'd have headed it in by the time he got his leg around. He pushed him to put him off the header and impede him and to give him enough time to get to the ball. That's a foul all day long. |
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at the end of the day it was an almighty defensive mess up by juventus. free header back across the box and then at best a desperate challenge from behind to stop it being headed in from the middle of the 6 yard box. clutching at straws trying to pin it on a refereeing error
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Football is and always has been a contact sport, but now if there is even the slightest touch, players are falling down as if they have been poleaxed.
If the rules state any contact is a pen then we would have a dozen pens per match. Common sense has to be seen to prevail, and giving pens in the last seconds of a CL semi final when it is NOT clearly a foul is going down the wrong road imo. |
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Quarter final
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