arsenal V man unt

Arsenal must be shocking to be drifting vs this Utd team.

they have a very bad record against man u

This Utd team has a reserve defence, a midfield with zero legs and zero forward passing. And zero width. There's a RB at LB who doesn't attack and a youth product CB at RB, so there won't be any width.

Still it's such a makeshift Utd team. You've got 2 CB's neither of whom have played a minute for about 7 weeks. Not sure how many goals this team has scored this season but it can't be many, and no way will it be above 20.

0-0 FT.

unders for me.

Good start from Utd tbh.

great save DeGea

Arsenal win, United's mind on Thursday

Mourinho's mind on getting 4th whatever he says

Most these players won't be playing on Thursday tbf, and are likely playing to show their worth.

Martial has started well.

May 7, 2017 -- 4:19PM, tobermory wrote:

Mourinho's mind on getting 4th whatever he says

Is it? He doesn't make this many changes if 4th was the priority.

There's no way he'd have Pogba and Rashford on the bench if that was the case.

tober can read minds

I think he occasionally drops Pogba, inferring or claiming he "has an injury" or "is being rested". When, in reality he is just being quietly dropped because of his woeful form.

Obviously Mourinho would like to get 4th but it's clearly not priority. The teams selection above all else tells you that.

A draw is no use to either team, although you wouldn't think it.

Not even close to being true. Anyone that doubts Pogba's worth should realise how much he was missed in the games he missed recently. It shows just how big a part of the team he is when he wasn't in it recently.

Pogba also has literally played 90 minutes of every game when fit before today. Only times he got subbed was due to injury. He's likely not playing because it's not a very good idea to play a guy on a dodgy hamstring for 90 minutes twice in 3 days.

Without Pogba the midfield is slow, no-one can carry the ball, and Pogba is the most creative player in terms of forward passing.

"dodgy hamstring" is nonsense. If you've played, you will know that the hamstring is either gone or it isn't. If the hamstring is torn you are out for at least a month. There is no question of playing a player with a damaged hamstring one day, and leaving him out the next. Any payer or ex-player will tell you that.

Wayne THE PACE Rooney got in and should have buried it

Des, whatever you think about the hamstring Pogba is being rested for Thursday. That is totally obvious.

If he is considered for thursday, then there is nothing wrong with his hamstring.

Fair do's, I'll take your opinions on board, and give them due respect and consideration. I think Pogba has been woeful this season, and nothing I have seen would convince me otherwise.

Robin van Persie should be in arsenal team

May 7, 2017 -- 4:31PM, Des Pond wrote:

"dodgy hamstring" is nonsense. If you've played, you will know that the hamstring is either gone or it isn't. If the hamstring is torn you are out for at least a month. There is no question of playing a player with a damaged hamstring one day, and leaving him out the next. Any payer or ex-player will tell you that.

But it's clear from the Utd line up they aren't risking any of their key players, mainly because they've mostly played loads of games recently, and fatigue = more injury prone.

Pogba's criticism has gone way OTT now. He hasn't lived up to an £89m price tag, he's still one of the key players and there is nobody to replace him and what he brings to the team.

He hasn't delivered in pretty much any of the big games but had dominated a lot of smaller teams this season, on Thursday being the last example where he bossed the midfield.

Fair enough. Let's see how Pogba does in the Final.

the final? we haven't qualified yet.

It would have to be a total collapse to not qualify from here.

In a very good position, though.

Fa know they have to get their act together by annoucing a whole shed  of new rulez...To make the beautiful game more sexy or the world wide audience will switch of with all the Zero - Zzzzero BORE-FESTS

*off

agreed. Perhaps only giving points to teams to have scored to do so. 1-1 2-2 3-3 and so forth, maybe change it so that if it does end 0-0 you get null points

This is like watching a pre season friendly, so little passion on both sides.

0-1 Arsenal

Fluke from Xhaka.

lol "stunning strike"

thank fek for that

horrible deflection.

hahaha united, now show some balls and have a go

May 7, 2017 -- 5:10PM, wisewords wrote:

horrible deflection.

Defending 101 error from Herrera though. Don't turn your back on the ball like that.

hope pool quality with city in CL

unless you support them, manu have become one of the most tedious teams to watch in the epl

"putrid"

0-2

Welbeck

2-0

gtfeeeeeeeeeeeeee ufc ufc ufc ufc ufc ufc

united falling apart

still chasing my losses for the week

exactly the same against Spurs, but scoreline reversed. that's probably all she wrote

united 1.69 to win the europa league so can probably understand the lack of effort, all eggs in the stockholm basket

May 7, 2017 -- 5:10PM, Hamsterdam wrote:

lol "stunning strike"

commentators not noticing deflections is annoying . Sometimes they still talk about stunning strikes after seeing 3 or 4 replays . Barkley won goal of the month with a deflection

Jamie Redknapp trying to get sacked?

Are they underestimating that young Ajax side?

Surely by resting players for the EL they are doing the opposite of that.

Anyway that young Ajax side is the same one that lost 5-2 to Rostov on aggregate this season in CL qualifiers.

May 7, 2017 -- 5:19PM, Des Pond wrote:

Are they underestimating that young Ajax side?

Celta Vigo can play better than they did on Thursday. We should beat them but I'm taking it 1 step at a time

Sometimes a young side can "grow" into a tournament, and become a more rounded and effective team as the rounds go on. Not saying they will win, but might be harder for Utd than some think. I still think Mourinho is too negative, and gave up on the League too early. Like he did at Chelsea when City pipped them for the Title, when they were in the driving seat. He undermined his own team's confidence by banging on a about City having more resources.

I think they are made for Utd. An inexperienced attacking side that a poor defensively. Ripe for Mourinho to set up with a strong unit can get goals from their defensive mistakes.

will Jose turn the EPL into "the most boring league in the world"?

On your other point it's debatable I guess. I was in the camp we should have gave up weeks ago, but other teams kept slipping up to make us look like we had a chance. But the reality was when we were in "pole" position we had fixtures we were always going to drop points, so we were never actually likely to finish top 4. I felt it was gone after we drew to West Brom at home like 6 games ago.

With mounting injuries at some point we can't risk anymore.

Utd surely finish 6th or 7th now anyway. Will likely barely win another point this season.

You might be right. Hope it's a decent game, anyway.

Tottenham away next week is a definite loss if we field a team like this. Final day of the season is 3 days before EL final, would have to be mad to play anybody in that game who will play in the EL final.

Done Liverpool a big favour here

Utd were never catching Liverpool. Arsenal are more likely. I can see Arsenal winning every game if Liverpool screw up next week (because even Liverpool won't screw up home to Middlesbrough on the last day).

Oh Arsenal are away to Southampton in mid-week, for some reason I thought that was at home.

Would have been only 1 point behind with in today? As it stands Liverpool will *only* need to win 2/3 and one is at home for boro.

Unders still at 1.34, with 3 minutes to go.

market expecting a late goal, Des.

a late "pen" won't make any difference, though. So, no point.

May 7, 2017 -- 5:40PM, Hamsterdam wrote:

Would have been only 1 point behind with in today? As it stands Liverpool will *only* need to win 2/3 and one is at home for boro.

Liverpool have 2 games left, away to West Ham and home to Middlesbrough.

To finish top 4 Utd had to beat all of Arsenal, Tottenham, Southampton away and Crystal Palace at hom.

Top 4 was lost weeks ago.

Thursday is what the whole club should be working to.

And then after that the final which is only 2 weeks away anyway, so there will be lots of resting over those 3 games next week most likely.

It's the smart thing to do, but Utd have to win it otherwise it's been a disastrous season.

Wasn't lost at all door was open before today's match. Risky business putting all your eggs in one basket. Ok for a mid-table Spanish team with limited resources to do, not for a club that have spent £250 million on players in one window.

What price were Utd to finish top 4 vs win EL though. I didn't actually look after Liverpool's game. I think we were 9.x vs like 1.69 to win EL before the day started.

It's just playing the odds if you look at it like that.

On your last point you're right, but on that point then the "reserves" should be performing better than they did today. Hardly anyone made an impact today and said they should be playing on Thursday/EL final did they, they all basically just said this is why they don't play.

There is a distinct lack of passion in the United squad, not just this second string today. It has to have an impact on the creative players when pretty much all the managers tactics and decisions are based on stopping the opposition rather than creating.