Football
are spurs chokers?
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The narrative that spurs have never been in contention is false and a shocking rewriting of history.
Last season they came to our gaff(Upton Park)in March knowing that a win would put them top. They were 6/4 title favs with Skybet at the time. They lost 1 0. This season they came to our place(the LS)knowing a win would keep the pressure on Chelsea. They were generally 2/5 across the board to get the win. They lost 1 0. We(west ham) also played Chelsea at home under the floodlights. It is fair to say we are not overly fond of Chelsea either (massive understatement). They came away with the 3 points. I have to grudgly admit clubs like Chelsea get the job done. |
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They were also massive outsiders to win the league at that point, they were never winning it regardless of beating West Ham or not, Chelsea just weren't going to slip up.
Also on that logic literally any loss when in the run in is going to be choking. Nobody wins every single game. Spurs have won 9 of 10 ffs. It's already been pointed out, but about 10 games ago Tottenham were on par with a load of teams in the race for the top 4 rather than the title, but yet because they've had the best form since they are now the chokers for losing 1 game rather than the teams who have displayed worse form in that time. Last season was worse, but Spurs were never really in the driving seat. The odds constantly expected Leicester to choke, but they never actually did. |
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Too true Roger, West Sham also beat the Chavs in the league Cup at home, a fact over looked by the myopic fan.
They had the advantage of playing their Cup Final at home as well. |
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spurs would have still come up short if they'd won the last 13 games. in fact so few mistakes have chelsea made in all likelihood would have to have won 18 out of 19 in the 2nd half of the season
yes nominally they were in a good position going to upton park last season but not when you look at the remaining fixtures. leicester had got all the most difficult games out of the way - they saw off a succession of no hopers and teams on their holidays in the last 2 months. spurs had west ham away (hard to believe now but they were a very decent side last season), arsenal home, liverpool away, united home, stoke away and chelsea away. much more difficult |
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Most goals scores 86 Tottenham
Least goals conceded 26 Tottenham Least number of defeats 4 Tottenham Most wins 30 Chelsea Most draws 15 Manchester United (no forwards and midfield) |
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86 points is never a choke
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You have to wonder about Manchester United's buy of Paul Drogba.
Was he supposed to be a dominating force in midfield supplying the ammunition for attack? When is that starting? |
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Yeh, cos West Ham 1, Arsenal 5, they really stood up that day.
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* Pogba
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Bloke's clearly a halfwit sofaking.
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I'm not a Spurs fan but anyone who claims they bottled it clearly has an agenda. Spurs have been outstanding this season, particularly the 2nd half, and were just unlucky that Chelsea hardly faltered at all and amassed such a high points total. Any neutral should be praising Spurs. Obviously fans of one or two other clubs won't. Spurs have put together an outstanding team, spending very little money over the last couple of years (net spend is what matters). They have a young vibrant team full of outstanding English players and with a guy in charge who is one of the most admired young managers in the world.
Chelsea whilst having a brilliant season and fully deserving their title success did have the massive advantage of no European football and very few injuries. it's a real shame for football that this young team haven't won anything. The likelihood is that despite earning half the money they could elsewhere the players (maybe apart from Walker) will give it at least one more season together. It would be great for football if they could win the league and keep the squad together rather than have their best players picked off, but unfortunately Wembley will mean that chance is extremely slim. |
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The Wembley factor has been, and is being, massively overplayed.
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I don't think anyone doubts that spurs are a very good team or that they have given their fans a lot of pleasure. What is in doubt is their ability to finish first past the post. The phrase 'first the post' is an euphemism for bottle or nerve is it not?
Their fans (most of them)will tell you that they were a better team than Leicester. That they are a better team than Chelsea (both in the league and the cup). Possibly the best team in last season's EL. Probably the best team in this year's EL. Yet no trophies to show for it. Zip, nada except for a runner-up medal. The window of opportunity for success is ltd as they are always vulnerable to richer clubs. As for MoPo a brilliant young manager but he does make strange decisions when the heat is on ie playing Son at LWB or playing a weakened team against a formidable Dortmund outfit. In praise of MoPo before he came to spurs i seem to remember spurs fans moaning a lot about Levy. From the Venkys to Elis Short to Silent Stan to the Brady brunch at whu owners and boards everywhere hoping for a super competent manager of their own. |
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I don't think it is. It's not so much about Spurs, it's about the opposition arriving with no fear, ready to enjoy the day. Imagine yourself as a player. You look at the fixture list and next week you've got Spurs at White Hart Lane. You don't really fancy that. Now transfer that to 'next week you're playing at Wembley'. Instead of feeling a little trepidation you now feel positivity. It will feel much closer to a neutral venue. This season Spurs got 53 points at home . Next season how many do you think? I will be quite surprised if you get over 40. I hope I'm wrong.
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They got 53 this season, so anything less means the Wembley factor is at play? Not for me, we've played good sides in all the games our bad run at Wembley has constituted, not Palace or Burnley or Bournemouth. Those teams might be looking forward to their day out at Wembley, but they will still be absolutely destroyed by a far superior team when they get there.
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Of course if you get 45-50 points no one could suggest there was a Wembley factor. I would say under 40 would suggest there was probably a Wembley factor. I hope that you are right. As a neutral I'd love to see Spurs win the league. I would, however, be very surprised.
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We will just have to play better away from home, and maybe even turn up for some of the more important games before half time.
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I think even the season before last when we were the only realistic challengers to Leicester, we only got ten home wins - this season just gone is a massive outlier in our recent history as regards our home form.
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probably odds on we don't win 17 home games in the next 50 years - only 3 teams have won 18 since the prem has been a 20 team league. have to aim for 13-15 and definitely scope for an improved away record. only 9 in the both the last 2 seasons when 11-12 is ballpark figure for champions. chelsea won it cos they squeezed out 2 or 3 more away wins against mid table sides
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they weren't chokers imo, just not good enough, best team wins the league over 38 matches, but if you direct h2h comparisons, Leicester took 4 points fro 6 last season from Tottenham, and Chelsea won and lost in the league, though beat them in the FA cup.
Tottenham's stock being a Champions league team playing at Wembley next season is high, they need to buy a couple of big name signings. If the current team was not good enough this season it's not going to be good enough next. |
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Why is that, do you expect City and United to improve? I seem to remember a lot of people expected that this season, and they expected Arsenal to contend and told Spurs fans we would never have a better chance again.
Spurs will improve again if they don't buy anybody, it is a natural progression for a young team. |
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might not even have to improve. 93 is freakishly high total for a side which most people would not rate as one of the truly outstanding sides in the prem era. 86 would win it plenty of times
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that's assuming you could reach the same points totals and keep up the same level without injuries, considering there's going to be heavy investment from rivals clubs, if you stand still you'll go backwards.
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We had all sorts of injuries this season sh. Chelsea hardly had any.
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Will be very hard for Tottenham to attract anyone who will improve the first 11. That team is put together so well and needs a world class player to improve them. What they can do is improve the squad. The back up in the attacking positions isn't great. 86 points could win it next season. I can't see anyone exceeding that with perhaps the exception of City.
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Hard to know who will improve any team - Wanyama cost us £11m and has forced his way into the team and is currently pretty much indispensable.
You are right though, we do need some forward cover, but as you say unless they really push the boat out it is hard to see how that person could get into the team regularly. It should also be borne in mind that Spurs have some outstanding youngsters coming through, including one - Marcus Edwards - who is going to blow the football world away. |
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I doubt very much that Spurs choked. That said it will be interesting to see the betting for next season's PL.
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** 8/1 Spurs? Bigger than I expected.
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