Red card spoilt the game?

U**** out of cup much better for the game. Dirty red filth. Young also joining the long line of bad eggs stretching way back to the likes of Cantona, Ince and Buchan

Always deserve be out on their *rse, imo

Buchan?
Flucking Buchan?
Geez that is going back...
Any further?
Crerand?
Mitten?
Meredith?

Buchan was typical. Effectively ended Colin Bell's career

2nd yellow was very harsh.......ref ruined the game

and I despise man u

Well, I know it was a long time ago but they haven't changed

What Cantona did defies belief. He should have been doing porridge for assault, intending GBH!

What Cantona did was right,

The only mistake he made was not connecting properly with that piece of filth in the stands,

The red just gave Mourinho another excuse why they lost

Bit harsh desperado. To be fair, think it might just be United's style, in the great scheme of things. Always been too frenetic if you ask me

Stick to the dogs and get back to Belle vue

Like OD said the only thing Eric done wrong was not connecting with the idiot with more force

should make football non contact sport

it looked a yellow, but if it was the ref let quite a few worse ones go

so probably harsh

TBF...Herrera's had it coming a long time and deserves a few more to balance it out over the last 2 seasons.

AS Rojo...well he must have signed up to some exclusion clause when came here.

be dne for the "stamp" on Tom Hazard Daly

Mar 13, 2017 -- 5:54PM, TENDY wrote:

TBF...Herrera's had it coming a long time and deserves a few more to balance it out over the last 2 seasons.AS Rojo...well he must have signed up to some exclusion clause when came here.

So that justifies a sending off tonight , there were worse tackles that did not receive any yellows , take off the Scouse specs if you can please

No it doesnt but then if he should have had them for a while then you cant really complain if you get an "iffy" decision that does lead to a RED! THings dont even out as we all know but sometimes you will be on the end of an unfair yellow.

the red let yous off the hook,you could sit back,chels could just stroll around...all go home,jose off the hook

Mar 13, 2017 -- 5:57PM, Capt__F wrote:

be dne for the "stamp" on Tom Hazard Daly

Yes did not see the post match but was that brought up?

As during play I dont remember a replay of that.

Never a red card...or second yellow. NO WAY. What a complete load of garbage there is on this thread.

Dreadful referring  ruined a game that was very even up then , pathetic stuff on here ABU mob in orgasmic fury

anx

do you think Rojo will get a 5 a la Mings ?

Well when you have the likes of Sherear bleating on about it on bbc he might do, ive seen it and he hardly touches him but he will probably get 3 match ban , don't forget mings appealed which didn't help him.

all set for a rostov lashing,they could well do yous,isss a funny ole game saint

worst thing in tonights game for me

hazard

herera slight touch on him for his 2nd yellow

as he falling with triple tuck his eyes on the ref looking for the card

great player but still a C***

Discipline   ..both teams ..  GUILTY AS CHARGE SHEET WOULD SAY TO BOTH SIDES ,,.. Respect ...what respect  ........ gone to the DOGS ..   referee gets worse as loses the plot ..
getting harder to watch this cheating that goes on .. are players being tested enough for .. whatever to play the game ..   .. CAN PASSION BE ASSESSED ..??  IF OUT WITH THE RULES ..??  OF THE GAME .. NEED 20 TOP REFEREES WHO CAN BE SEEN AND NEVER USED .. IN CONFLICT ..>>  stay neutral  and same for all .. ??  DE GEA  GOT DUG IN RIBS AND NEVER SEEN .. BY  ALL THESE OFFICIALS ?? GIVE US A BREAK ..??

What's interesting is how the initial STAMP from Zlatan was TOTALLY ignored by the FA.

Not seen the Rojo stamp for 2nd viewing, real-time it looked bad but then maybe he had nowhere to land?!

Mar 13, 2017 -- 6:34PM, grumpyjim wrote:

Discipline   ..both teams ..  GUILTY AS CHARGE SHEET WOULD SAY TO BOTH SIDES ,,.. Respect ...what respect  ........ gone to the DOGS ..   referee gets worse as loses the plot .. getting harder to watch this cheating that goes on .. are players being tested enough for .. whatever to play the game ..   .. CAN PASSION BE ASSESSED ..??  IF OUT WITH THE RULES ..??  OF THE GAME .. NEED 20 TOP REFEREES WHO CAN BE SEEN AND NEVER USED .. IN CONFLICT ..>>  stay neutral  and same for all .. ??  DE GEA  GOT DUG IN RIBS AND NEVER SEEN .. BY  ALL THESE OFFICIALS ?? GIVE US A BREAK ..??

for the record Hazard is arguably STILL one of the most consistent players to fall over since the premiership began. its not the first and the last although he has cut it out over the last 12months or so!

grumpyjim 13 Mar 17 23:34

Discipline   ..both teams ..  GUILTY AS CHARGE SHEET WOULD SAY TO BOTH SIDES ,,.. Respect ...what respect  ........ gone to the DOGS ..   referee gets worse as loses the plot ..
getting harder to watch this cheating that goes on .. are players being tested enough for .. whatever to play the game ..   .. CAN PASSION BE ASSESSED ..??  IF OUT WITH THE RULES ..??  OF THE GAME .. NEED 20 TOP REFEREES WHO CAN BE SEEN AND NEVER USED .. IN CONFLICT ..>>  stay neutral  and same for all .. ??  DE GEA  GOT DUG IN RIBS AND NEVER SEEN .. BY  ALL THESE OFFICIALS ?? GIVE US A BREAK ..??

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Rojo more of a tickle than a stamp ps i hate utd

lot of players all clubs cheating/feigning injury

putting me off football

right i've just seen the stamp and its defo retrospective and should be at least 5 to match Mings(regardless of whether they appeal or not)

and at least a split opinion on whether mings meant it or not....no doubt about this one.

Let's see how strong the impartial panel on this one.

Ref had warned them about fouling Hazard and Herrera does it almost seconds later with a clear trip.

His own fault.

few clear trips went unpunished subsequently

ref watched replay at half time

knew he'd blew it

i hate utd and who wd be a ref !

Mar 13, 2017 -- 7:02PM, Capt__F wrote:

few clear trips went unpunished subsequentlyref watched replay at half timeknew he'd blew iti hate utd and who wd be a ref !

It was down to the constant fouling of Hazard as much as anything and looked like he warned them seconds before next one was in book.

Stupid by Herrera.

Mar 13, 2017 -- 6:49PM, Capt__F wrote:

Rojo more of a tickle than a stamp ps i hate utdlot of players all clubs cheating/feigning injuryputting me off football

lol nice try .... you must be a man u fan if you think that was a tickle.

Put your rod away!

i knew what a tackle was football getting rubbish hazard 1 of the worst feigners ibra not
far behind

Bitter scousers especially Ten bells going on about rojo haven't you and you failure of a club got more to worry about

If only Mersey Port had somebody who actually can tackle they might win something again soon

Mar 13, 2017 -- 7:31PM, anxious wrote:

Bitter scousers especially Ten bells going on about rojo haven't you and you failure of a club got more to worry about

Nobody bitter here...just saw last 30mins was surprised a stamp in recent events involving your team have occurred again.
Easy for you lot to brush every Rojo incident under the carpet this season,...theres been approx 3/4 of them.

This time there is no mings incident to hide behind. Let's see what the FA do about it.




We have our own problems we are aware of. Learning curve to grind out results. It will take time but we need to spend to bulk the squad, everyone knows that.

They will probably give Rojo a three match ban , but we are Manchester United we don't cry unlike some other clubs.

LOL....what have you been doing ALL week and last night?!

Gotta say it is comedy value I suppose all the self proclaimed praise!

Crying about what  ? no leave that to your mob you've got plenty of form on that issue

anxious in meltdown mode , its only a game ffs get over it

up till half one,oooooo no he didnt give a monkeys did he

But by that stage a tipping point had come. Hazard was upended five times in that opening 40 minutes, victim of the kind of rotational Don Revie-style team-fouling that made for a thrilling, bruising drama in miniature, but which was always treading a dangerous line.

The point is that the ref can't just say the next person to foul Hazard gets booked. It has to be a booking offence and that definitely wasn't. Not even sure Herrera touched him and as Hazard is falling you can see he has time to look at the ref. He knew exactly what he was doing and it was stupid of Herrera to fall for it but really poor from the ref.

Each incident has to be taken in isolation unless the same offending player is involved and if every foul results in a yellow card that would be ridiculous. By doing what he did the ref set a very low bar and took it upon himself go give Hazard "special protection"

After that there were a dozen or more worse fouls plus players throwing themselves to the ground and the ref did nothing.

No excuses regarding the result. Was a good game up until the sending off but they were all over United after that.

the ref can do what the fck he wants,if he warns the capt,or has a general wave around lets the team know whats coming

you were targetting hazard and the re f is well within his rights to protect a player getting the treatment ffs

Romm even you must know that the foul has to warrant a yellow card unless the same player is persistently doing it.

Can a ref say the next person to foul one individual player will get booked?

Dangerous ground if you say it will be a yellow card if it's against Hazard but not a yellow if it's against anybody else.

Anyway it's done and no excuses. They were far better in the end

no damage involved pete but it was a silly cynical little foul and a ref can make an example of someone-if he chooses,blame your own player ffs

I already said it was stupid of Herrera.

Can a ref say the next person to foul one individual player will get booked?,yes he can

and he'd warned smalling

Dear me Rommel your accusing me of losing it when your entire posts on here are all about Manchester United bar none .

The point is that the ref can't just say the next person to foul Hazard gets booked. It has to be a booking offence and that definitely wasn't. Not even sure Herrera touched him and as Hazard is falling you can see he has time to look at the ref. He knew exactly what he was doing and it was stupid of Herrera to fall for it but really poor from the ref.

Each incident has to be taken in isolation unless the same offending player is involved and if every foul results in a yellow card that would be ridiculous. By doing what he did the ref set a very low bar and took it upon himself go give Hazard "special protection"


yeah, it seems ref thought he was in a rugby situation, sadly he couldnt just give him 10 minutes

(i did think it was a yellow if he wanted to give it but it was harsh in context of game,

rather like selecting a random shirt tug in box to justify a pelanty)

Mar 14, 2017 -- 6:00AM, anxious wrote:

Dear me Rommel your accusing me of losing it when your entire posts on here are all about Manchester United bar none .

yes but im not a repeater,catch my chelts tips later

if a ref thinks a plyaer is getting tergetted,hes well within his rights to protect him,he did warn smalling about it,smalling should have warned the other players

I'm hoping Van Basten will help bring football into the modern age,gotta lot of faith in him if the FIFA bosses listen.

Mar 13, 2017 -- 8:24PM, anxious wrote:

Crying about what

Mar 14, 2017 -- 4:29AM, peter the butcher wrote:

I already said it was stupid of Herrera.

Peter, You are correct. I've seen many times from him but also in this scenario other players who have been punished in a similar scenario.

Also prob did'nt help that it was Hazard as you cant always be sure if its a foul or not.

whether the ref was right or wrong it did spoil the game

What was stupid about Herrera?? Was he to just let Hazard run free without challenge?? He never touched the fecka, it was another of Hazards ref cons

United fans having a laugh here. Could Oliver have kept Herrera on the pitch? Yes he could have and might have done had United not kept constantly fouling in the 10 or 15 minutes leading up to it. Herrera can possibly count himself a little unlucky, United as a team certainly couldn't count themselves as unlucky to be down to 10. He paid the price for what had gone on before though to give the ref a decision literally 10 seconds after Oliver probably knew he should have booked Jones was stupid in the extreme.

Match stats : Fouls Chelsea 7 MUFC 14. Constantly fouling for ten to 15 minutes. Give over and growup. Hazard would jump over his shadow to con a ref....

Those stats don't include a couple where he let the play go on after the foul. And if I need to grow up maybe look at yourself if you think the problem last night was Hazard

he was a very big problem, just as he was in the league match.

The problem being that United couldn't stop him and that's the crux here. A referee doesn't have to indulge a team when their only answer is to boot a player. At the end of the day I'm sure most neutrals would prefer to watch Hazard glide past defenders a bit more than they would prefer to watch Phil Jones trying to stop him by taking hefty whacks at his legs.

As someone who will forever be grateful to Jose for what he did at Chelsea, it's a bit depressing to see that was the best he could come up with on a night that was set up for one of his tactical masterclasses.

Marcce you should be well used to cynical fouling having had not one but two spells of Luiz and also Cahill. I would prefer to watch Hazard playing football properly than diving at every opportunity to give his current manager the excuse to rush to the touchline imploring for a card. We can all see the Italians influence on your team, shame the referees can't.

If the ref told United that the next person to commit a foul against Hazard would be booked they should have asked whether that would also be the case if any other Chelsea player was fouled. It was inept reffing of the highest order. He can't make a special case for Hazard, bizarre imo. Having booked Herrera that should have been the benchmark for all other fouls and if he'd booked others using that benchmark it would have been 5 a side. Absolute nonsense. He sends off Hererra for that yet leaves Costa and Rojo on the pitch????

Its different if the same player was committing the fouls but it wasn't. I'm not entirely sure it was even a foul.

Anyway its done and dusted now and Chelsea were worthy winners. Not moaning about a bad decision because they happen all the time, just puzzled how Oliver has introduced this into the rules.

oliver will do ANYTHING to get MUFC beat. Disgraced himself when he DIDN'T send Hart off for pushing his forehead into his. Let him join Gluttonberg in Middle East imvho.......

Mar 15, 2017 -- 3:07PM, peter the butcher wrote:

If the ref told United that the next person to commit a foul against Hazard would be booked they should have asked whether that would also be the case if any other Chelsea player was fouled. It was inept reffing of the highest order. He can't make a special case for Hazard, bizarre imo. Having booked Herrera that should have been the benchmark for all other fouls and if he'd booked others using that benchmark it would have been 5 a side. Absolute nonsense. He sends off Hererra for that yet leaves Costa and Rojo on the pitch????Its different if the same player was committing the fouls but it wasn't. I'm not entirely sure it was even a foul.Anyway its done and dusted now and Chelsea were worthy winners. Not moaning about a bad decision because they happen all the time, just puzzled how Oliver has introduced this into the rules.

He can make a special case for Hazard in that instance.

Referees can book for persistent fouling of the same player even if it is not done by same individual.

"persistent" fouling?? We only committed 14 in the whole fcking match!!! Thats one every five minutes by my calculation.

Mar 16, 2017 -- 8:11AM, DeSSieReborn wrote:

"persistent" fouling?? We only committed 14 in the whole fcking match!!! Thats one every five minutes by my calculation.

The referee had just warned them about fouling Hazard.

Can either think he is wrong and not fouling him too much to that point or ignore him and foul Hazard again seconds later.

Herrera was stupid.

I'm wondering why teams have never been warned at OT for persistent fouling of Mkhitaran who suffers much more than hazard did.

Mar 16, 2017 -- 8:42AM, DeSSieReborn wrote:

I'm wondering why teams have never been warned at OT for persistent fouling of Mkhitaran who suffers much more than hazard did.

Maybe they have and are not so stupid as to foul him again seconds later.