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Time for an honest appraisal of MUFC
I have read that Jose is constantly in the ear of the agent of Neymar trying to get him to the north west
It is widely thought that the atletico team will be broken up this summer and Griezman is supposed to be the big move of the nxt window.
Were Man utd to start next season with a front 3 of Zlatan and Neymar, Griz then fair to say we would all be quaking in our boots.
For now however,
the reliance on the big swede, 35 and counting is most troubling.
Fact is the Man U forward line pales when compared to what city and chelsea have to offer, let alone with those of madrid and barca.
The problem is that the riches which ought to be employed putting Man U head and shoulders above the EPL opposition are being used to service the Glazers debt.
Utd are miles behind City and Chelsea in terms of ambition and achievement at the moment.
They are in the chasing pack with spurs and lfc.
The fans are relying on the cunning of Jose to get them to compete but how long will that last?
Ed woodward looks out of his depth. He is in among the big boys now. Up against Sheikh Mansoor and Roman. These guys run countries, provinces and proper businesses worth billions. Football is like a game of tiddlywinks to them.
Fact is, to get Neymar and Griz is probably going to cost near 300m, if you include wages.
Are the Glazers going to sanction that?
For that is what they need..
I have read that Jose is constantly in the ear of the agent of Neymar trying to get him to the north west
It is widely thought that the atletico team will be broken up this summer and Griezman is supposed to be the big move of the nxt window.
Were Man utd to start next season with a front 3 of Zlatan and Neymar, Griz then fair to say we would all be quaking in our boots.
For now however,
the reliance on the big swede, 35 and counting is most troubling.
Fact is the Man U forward line pales when compared to what city and chelsea have to offer, let alone with those of madrid and barca.
The problem is that the riches which ought to be employed putting Man U head and shoulders above the EPL opposition are being used to service the Glazers debt.
Utd are miles behind City and Chelsea in terms of ambition and achievement at the moment.
They are in the chasing pack with spurs and lfc.
The fans are relying on the cunning of Jose to get them to compete but how long will that last?
Ed woodward looks out of his depth. He is in among the big boys now. Up against Sheikh Mansoor and Roman. These guys run countries, provinces and proper businesses worth billions. Football is like a game of tiddlywinks to them.
Fact is, to get Neymar and Griz is probably going to cost near 300m, if you include wages.
Are the Glazers going to sanction that?
For that is what they need..
You are right...They will spend at least £100M this summer. Prob £200M
Hang about didn't they got that world record signing that is v POG MACHINE oh wait yea he's gone AWOL always down barbers yea yea yea lol enjoy the Europa next century
Everyone should be worried. THEY WILL SPEND £100M plus to add 3 or 4 players for sure.
Rooney's wage bill be no more too. POGBA will prob flourish more when there are quicker strikers ahead of him.
Rooney's wage bill be no more too. POGBA will prob flourish more when there are quicker strikers ahead of him.
Time for an honest appraisal of MUFC
I have read that Jose is constantly in the ear of the agent of Neymar trying to get him to the north west
It is widely thought that the atletico team will be broken up this summer and Griezman is supposed to be the big move of the nxt window.
Were Man utd to start next season with a front 3 of Zlatan and Neymar, Griz then fair to say we would all be quaking in our boots.
For now however,
the reliance on the big swede, 35 and counting is most troubling.
Fact is the Man U forward line pales when compared to what city and chelsea have to offer, let alone with those of madrid and barca.
The problem is that the riches which ought to be employed putting Man U head and shoulders above the EPL opposition are being used to service the Glazers debt.
Utd are miles behind City and Chelsea in terms of ambition and achievement at the moment.
They are in the chasing pack with spurs and lfc.
The fans are relying on the cunning of Jose to get them to compete but how long will that last?
Ed woodward looks out of his depth. He is in among the big boys now. Up against Sheikh Mansoor and Roman. These guys run countries, provinces and proper businesses worth billions. Football is like a game of tiddlywinks to them.
Fact is, to get Neymar and Griz is probably going to cost near 300m, if you include wages.
Are the Glazers going to sanction that?
For that is what they need..
Comedy stuff.
United comfortably broke the transfer record a few months ago and are chasing Neymar & Griezman so the debt doesn't look to be holding back the club does it?
As for Woodward looking out of his depth. I read somewhere United have hundreds people working in their sponsorship department bringing in the money to make the club the richest in the world. Woodward did that. While City, Real & barca all have to bend over for the Arab $.
I have read that Jose is constantly in the ear of the agent of Neymar trying to get him to the north west
It is widely thought that the atletico team will be broken up this summer and Griezman is supposed to be the big move of the nxt window.
Were Man utd to start next season with a front 3 of Zlatan and Neymar, Griz then fair to say we would all be quaking in our boots.
For now however,
the reliance on the big swede, 35 and counting is most troubling.
Fact is the Man U forward line pales when compared to what city and chelsea have to offer, let alone with those of madrid and barca.
The problem is that the riches which ought to be employed putting Man U head and shoulders above the EPL opposition are being used to service the Glazers debt.
Utd are miles behind City and Chelsea in terms of ambition and achievement at the moment.
They are in the chasing pack with spurs and lfc.
The fans are relying on the cunning of Jose to get them to compete but how long will that last?
Ed woodward looks out of his depth. He is in among the big boys now. Up against Sheikh Mansoor and Roman. These guys run countries, provinces and proper businesses worth billions. Football is like a game of tiddlywinks to them.
Fact is, to get Neymar and Griz is probably going to cost near 300m, if you include wages.
Are the Glazers going to sanction that?
For that is what they need..
Comedy stuff.
United comfortably broke the transfer record a few months ago and are chasing Neymar & Griezman so the debt doesn't look to be holding back the club does it?
As for Woodward looking out of his depth. I read somewhere United have hundreds people working in their sponsorship department bringing in the money to make the club the richest in the world. Woodward did that. While City, Real & barca all have to bend over for the Arab $.
we no longer have a manager who can get the result we need .on a yearly basis ..
this is another poor season almost behind us as points make .......prizes .......dry up ..
Mostly half know the end is upon them and be heading out the Door .. as not nearly Good Enough for the RED SHIRTS .
the latarps makes a lot of sense ..AND what I think is the position .. after 4 seasons ..
Loads money diminishing . and MR ED has nothing like the back up of the aforementioned ...other rather ...LARGE .. INVESTORS .. While the cleanup is well down the road .. its another 5 years still to go to near being a top side again ..
WE ARE STILL BILLED AS BIGGEST CLUB IN WORLD .. and fans all over the planet that want .. at least CHAMPIONS LEAGUE . Football ...not the display from Saturday .. poor showing .. One of the worst for many a long time ..
this is another poor season almost behind us as points make .......prizes .......dry up ..
Mostly half know the end is upon them and be heading out the Door .. as not nearly Good Enough for the RED SHIRTS .
the latarps makes a lot of sense ..AND what I think is the position .. after 4 seasons ..
Loads money diminishing . and MR ED has nothing like the back up of the aforementioned ...other rather ...LARGE .. INVESTORS .. While the cleanup is well down the road .. its another 5 years still to go to near being a top side again ..
WE ARE STILL BILLED AS BIGGEST CLUB IN WORLD .. and fans all over the planet that want .. at least CHAMPIONS LEAGUE . Football ...not the display from Saturday .. poor showing .. One of the worst for many a long time ..
WTF would Neymar & Griezmann want to come to a sh1te,chav outfit like Manure who won't win anything anytime soon?
am i the only person in the world who thinks Ibrahimovic is the problem, his lack of pace and movement stifles the fast attacking football that United were renowed for. Everyone has been jumping on the bandwagon because of the goals he has scored but i actually think he is holding them back. just my opinion.
uber overrated..scores the goals stevie wonder would put away..was a v good player but just picking up easy money now
he and the other 10 are holding Manure back..oh,and the egotist coach
and long may it continue
he and the other 10 are holding Manure back..oh,and the egotist coach
and long may it continue
ditto ibra,big -no mobility has he,whats with the pogba project?was he a scorer?how long does a manager stick with him before resting,dragging him off when hes not playing well,if the manager has paid a wr price it will cloud his judgement...a passenger they cant afford to carry at the mo
Mar 6, 2017 -- 10:17AM, DAN1974 wrote:
am i the only person in the world who thinks Ibrahimovic is the problem, his lack of pace and movement stifles the fast attacking football that United were renowed for. Everyone has been jumping on the bandwagon because of the goals he has scored but i actually think he is holding them back. just my opinion.
I am sure Maureen is aware of this. He's just not gonna come out and say it. During the 6 game ban you will prob see more pace upfront and Pogba play better with more space.
WTF would Neymar & Griezmann want to come to a sh1te,chav outfit like Manure who won't win anything anytime soon?
If United are a chav outfit what are Liverpoo, Chelsea & Man City
Players move clubs for money HTH.
If United are a chav outfit what are Liverpoo, Chelsea & Man City
Players move clubs for money HTH.
Mar 6, 2017 -- 10:50AM, TENDY wrote:
Mar 6, 2017 -- 10:17AM, DAN1974 wrote:am i the only person in the world who thinks Ibrahimovic is the problem, his lack of pace and movement stifles the fast attacking football that United were renowed for. Everyone has been jumping on the bandwagon because of the goals he has scored but i actually think he is holding them back. just my opinion.I am sure Maureen is aware of this. He's just not gonna come out and say it. During the 6 game ban you will prob see more pace upfront and Pogba play better with more space.
so pogba just needs more space????jesu christo on a fckn mophead
The space will defo help when defences are stretched for other up top, not that he should it with his movement, youthful legs and some pace.
Amazing how much interest United create especially from fans of Tottingham 1961 one trophy in the last 15 years I think , and Mersey Port 27 years of failure and 1 trophy in the last 10 years , its true we are not the team we were under Fergus but we have spent 400 million and wasted a lot of it , truly laughable how anybody can call United a chav club that's the last thing we are , the best supported club in England for over 50 years now win or lose.
You do wonder what would happen if Utd weren't in the CL next season, as there seems to be no real talk of Mourinho under serious pressure, yet recent history suggests he would get sacked if this happens, yet no-one really seems to talk in these terms.
The Europa League is massive for Man Utd, given the teams left, Man Utd should really expect to win it, and if they do all of a sudden the season can be spun into a positive season.
The Europa League is massive for Man Utd, given the teams left, Man Utd should really expect to win it, and if they do all of a sudden the season can be spun into a positive season.
Mar 6, 2017 -- 10:17AM, DAN1974 wrote:
am i the only person in the world who thinks Ibrahimovic is the problem, his lack of pace and movement stifles the fast attacking football that United were renowed for. Everyone has been jumping on the bandwagon because of the goals he has scored but i actually think he is holding them back. just my opinion.
I have mentioned this in other places. Utd are reliant on Ibrahimovic for goals, but part of the reason is his style makes you reliant on him for goals.
I'm not sure he's the best striker for the overall formation, but if you are going to have him, you need runners off him. Utd do sometimes have this, at others they don't though. Tends to be more of an issue when you don't have 2 of Mkhitaryan, Martial, Rashford on the pitch.
As a neutral I can't see Mourinho being sacked even if they finish outside the top 4 and don't win the Europa League. If the same thing happens the following season THEN I think he's in trouble.
There is precedent though, and Mourinho has spent a truck load really. Tbh it's a shambles if Utd don't get in the CL some way with the squad they have, and Mourinho is a lot to blame, albeit the politics at the club with the likes of Rooney are tough to handle. There has been a lot of poor tactical decisions in the season, especially in the first half, but even recently.
Though tbh I find it amazing on like Man Utd moved to the top of the money league this year, and commercially are stronger than ever even though really they've been irrelevant on the pitch for 3 years now. You wouldn't think that is sustainable, but Utd have shown they are willing to spend big to get back (whoever talked about a lack of ambition is talking absolute rubbish).
Though tbh I find it amazing on like Man Utd moved to the top of the money league this year, and commercially are stronger than ever even though really they've been irrelevant on the pitch for 3 years now. You wouldn't think that is sustainable, but Utd have shown they are willing to spend big to get back (whoever talked about a lack of ambition is talking absolute rubbish).
Utd have thrown away so many points this season. Surely no team has thrown away more team has thrown away more than them. They have drawn 7 games they thoroughly dominated the games in, but didn't because they didn't score as many goals as their advantage was, might get away with this if it was 1 or 2, but 7 ffs. 6 of these were at home too.
Couple of draws were very lucky too so should be far worse!
a brand like man utd just doesnt die overnight tho does it
yep drawn games they should have won but if ibrahaimovic doesn't score no one does
on the other hand must have had by far the most dubious decisions of the top 6 in their favour. saturday for a kick off. 2 certain red cards rojo has got away with and 4 or 5 offside goals in the last few months
on the other hand must have had by far the most dubious decisions of the top 6 in their favour. saturday for a kick off. 2 certain red cards rojo has got away with and 4 or 5 offside goals in the last few months
jose talking up the cups and dropping points,cl qual thru the europa could still elude him
Mo has done brilliantly this season to win one cup.This is probably as good as it gets this season.Next season and after a transfer spend of at least £150m. is the time to judge his performance.
lvg's plan would be just coming together now,he told us about the f******* big plan he had,now its just jose and little cups
Brendan doing not too badly at the mighty Glasgow Celtic thank you!
I like the new Man utd business plan of the last few years since Fergie retired,waste at least £100 million on signings every summer without any improvement on the pitch and zilch chance of winning the premier league and fail to qualify for the champions league,what a plan,long may it continue
Mersey Port 1 trophy in last 10 years
Manchester United 5 league Titles , 1 Champions league , 1 Fa Cup , 3 league Cups , 1 World Club Championship in 10 years
Manchester United 5 league Titles , 1 Champions league , 1 Fa Cup , 3 league Cups , 1 World Club Championship in 10 years
All the major players in Europe participate in the champions league year on year
Fact is the Man U forward line pales when compared to what city and chelsea have to offer, let alone with those of madrid and barca.
The problem is that the riches which ought to be employed putting Man U head and shoulders above the EPL opposition are being used to service the Glazers debt.
Utd are miles behind City and Chelsea in terms of ambition and achievement at the moment.
Can never understand why people try and maintain this 'Glazers holding United back' stuff . The Glazers are the best owners Man United have ever had . Arsenal Fans dream of Glazer ownership.
They came in with a plan to borrow a fortune , pass the debt onto the club , revolutionize the revenue situation , pay off the debt and still provide enough money for United to compete for the best players with anyone.
It sounded absurd and shouldn't have been legal imo , and understandably people predicted United would be fkd and maybe end up on the level of Sunderland perhaps.
But it has worked out exactly as they said it would . Why anyone pretends otherwise beats me.
They have easily outspent City and Chelsea since Fergie left , and it is very clear now that the only thing stopping them spending before that was Fergie himself.
The fact that they are nowhere near being the best on the pitch is entirely down to the people running the actual football side of things.
The problem is that the riches which ought to be employed putting Man U head and shoulders above the EPL opposition are being used to service the Glazers debt.
Utd are miles behind City and Chelsea in terms of ambition and achievement at the moment.
Can never understand why people try and maintain this 'Glazers holding United back' stuff . The Glazers are the best owners Man United have ever had . Arsenal Fans dream of Glazer ownership.
They came in with a plan to borrow a fortune , pass the debt onto the club , revolutionize the revenue situation , pay off the debt and still provide enough money for United to compete for the best players with anyone.
It sounded absurd and shouldn't have been legal imo , and understandably people predicted United would be fkd and maybe end up on the level of Sunderland perhaps.
But it has worked out exactly as they said it would . Why anyone pretends otherwise beats me.
They have easily outspent City and Chelsea since Fergie left , and it is very clear now that the only thing stopping them spending before that was Fergie himself.
The fact that they are nowhere near being the best on the pitch is entirely down to the people running the actual football side of things.
And no i don't think Mourinho is in any danger of being sacked if don't make Top 4.
Moyes went because he just revealed himself to be the average manager a lot of people outside of the media thought he was , rather than the genius supposedly held back only by lack of funds at Everton.
Van Gaal had to go because he was revealed to be a nut who would go on trying the same things that clearly weren't working.
Mourinho has obviously proved himself an elite manager and they will not make a judgement that he is past it based on 1 season.
Imagine if they did sack him and then Tuchel or whoever is in the interview ; first thing he would ask Woodward ' will i be sacked next May if i don't make Top 4 '
Moyes went because he just revealed himself to be the average manager a lot of people outside of the media thought he was , rather than the genius supposedly held back only by lack of funds at Everton.
Van Gaal had to go because he was revealed to be a nut who would go on trying the same things that clearly weren't working.
Mourinho has obviously proved himself an elite manager and they will not make a judgement that he is past it based on 1 season.
Imagine if they did sack him and then Tuchel or whoever is in the interview ; first thing he would ask Woodward ' will i be sacked next May if i don't make Top 4 '
If United had an owner that put in a billion instead of taking out would they have better players?
No !
To say that they'd have better players you have to point to players they would have signed but for the Glazers not coming up with the cash .
Who is there really ? They don't have Messi , but is that because they can't afford him ? I think they would pay £200M for him like a shot . They paid £90M for Pogba and regulary you hear they will offer over £100M for Bale or Neymar . With what they've spent since 2014 i am happy to believe that .
If those players - the best players in the world - aren't at United , then it's because they are happy where they are , and what can United do then.
I suppose also people will point out the top players that left during Glazer ownership.
There are only 3
Ronaldo - left United because he saw playing for Real Madrid as part of his destiny . Did not go for money, he is not especially motivated by money. He did at one point have a clause in his contract saying he had to be the highest paid player in the world , but that was just an ego/status thing , and he waived it now as he doesn't want to go to China.
Tevez - left United because Fergi decided he was worth £25M , he heard City were offering £47M and just laughes , the Glazers were never asked for more.
Pogba - left United because he believed he should be in the starting 11 but was still seen as a Carling Cup player by SAF , again money no issue so Glazers not to blame.
To say that they'd have better players you have to point to players they would have signed but for the Glazers not coming up with the cash .
Who is there really ? They don't have Messi , but is that because they can't afford him ? I think they would pay £200M for him like a shot . They paid £90M for Pogba and regulary you hear they will offer over £100M for Bale or Neymar . With what they've spent since 2014 i am happy to believe that .
If those players - the best players in the world - aren't at United , then it's because they are happy where they are , and what can United do then.
I suppose also people will point out the top players that left during Glazer ownership.
There are only 3
Ronaldo - left United because he saw playing for Real Madrid as part of his destiny . Did not go for money, he is not especially motivated by money. He did at one point have a clause in his contract saying he had to be the highest paid player in the world , but that was just an ego/status thing , and he waived it now as he doesn't want to go to China.
Tevez - left United because Fergi decided he was worth £25M , he heard City were offering £47M and just laughes , the Glazers were never asked for more.
Pogba - left United because he believed he should be in the starting 11 but was still seen as a Carling Cup player by SAF , again money no issue so Glazers not to blame.
Man City have outspent Utd since Fergie left. City spent around 534m to Utd's 514m roughly.
Glazers holding Utd back is probably overplayed, but bare in mind if they had ownership similar to say Bayern or anyone without any debt they would have more money than any club in the world so in that sense Glazers are holding them back. Whether that's affecting them in real terms is debatable, as they don't seem to be that restricted in the transfer market anyway.
Glazers holding Utd back is probably overplayed, but bare in mind if they had ownership similar to say Bayern or anyone without any debt they would have more money than any club in the world so in that sense Glazers are holding them back. Whether that's affecting them in real terms is debatable, as they don't seem to be that restricted in the transfer market anyway.
And I do think it's hard to paint Mourinho's season as anything but failure if they don't get top 4 and don't win EL (though I expect them to do at least one of these). With the money spent, the squad they have this would be vast underachievement really, and Mourinho has been responsible for a lot with poor team selections especially earlier in the season.
he is getting away with it really. only slightly better than LVG in terms of the points total united are heading for which was a pretty low base anyway. can only imagine LVG would be getting it with both barrels if 6th at this stage of the season and looking odds against for a top 4 finish
everyone keeps banging on about this run of 1 loss in 27 or whatever it is but that includes lots of draws against poor teams in the league and beating mainly low grade opposition in the cups. spurs are the only proper side beaten and faced no one of consequence away from home in that run
everyone keeps banging on about this run of 1 loss in 27 or whatever it is but that includes lots of draws against poor teams in the league and beating mainly low grade opposition in the cups. spurs are the only proper side beaten and faced no one of consequence away from home in that run
They paid 90mill for Pogba!!...still can't get my head around that....how much must David Silva be worth...the gulf in class between
the two is incredible...in fact we couldn't believe how pedestrian the Utd midfield was in general on Saturday....shocking for the money spent tbf.
the two is incredible...in fact we couldn't believe how pedestrian the Utd midfield was in general on Saturday....shocking for the money spent tbf.
The Utd fans are hardly singing his praises so far though mafe. It could still become a good season, but no-one is saying he's doing an amazing job right now.
David Silva must be one of the most overrated players ever. He pretty much typifies Premier League overhype. Can you ever remember him changing a game in Europe? He's nearly always anonymous in Europe, and somehow avoids getting any stick for it. Sky propaganda would have you believe he's one of the best players in the world.
David Silva must be one of the most overrated players ever. He pretty much typifies Premier League overhype. Can you ever remember him changing a game in Europe? He's nearly always anonymous in Europe, and somehow avoids getting any stick for it. Sky propaganda would have you believe he's one of the best players in the world.
no-one is saying he's doing an amazing job right now
I know plenty of Utd fans who are tbf n88.
I know plenty of Utd fans who are tbf n88.
Isn't my impression and I read RedCafe as well. I mean yer if you listen to the radio after they won the EFL Cup you will get some getting carried away, but then a week later after Bournemouth it would be the other way anyway.
You might think that Silva is overrated n88uk but I can only speak as I find...David Silva has torn us apart anytime we have played City...they are the one big team we haven't got near tbf....we were laughing at Pogba on Saturday he was so bad....the sigh of relief was audible every time he got the ball.
n88uk, i was thinking more about the media. i guess they're all frightened of being banned from OT if they dare to suggest his methods don't work as well these days
You can have all the money in the world but if you do not buy the right players or develop them and have the right manager then you have a problem , we have spent over 400 million since Fergie went and wasted a lot of it, the pressure is big at United the players have a lot to live up to considering Uniteds history for some of them the pressure is too much
Another game...another laughable performance from Pogba.....although it's worth watching just for the comedy value....watching him trying run is hilarious tbf.....
For all your whingeing and crying Marryatt I now hope your mob go down.
Alright Anxious maybe i'm being harsh on the lad but I think we can safely say he...can't score...can't tackle...can't pass and runs
like Bambi with a piano strapped to his back.....but i'm sure you'll tell me all the wonderful things he does in a match that make him worth every penny of that 90mill....would love to know....
like Bambi with a piano strapped to his back.....but i'm sure you'll tell me all the wonderful things he does in a match that make him worth every penny of that 90mill....would love to know....
the pressure is big at United the players have a lot to live up to considering Uniteds history
No I agree he has not performed that well yet , but the best is yet to come hopefully
Is that stadium of your a new one or the old Dean Court
Robbie Savage has said that he'll be the best player in the league next season tbf...
Same stadium....It's had a few names...always known has Dean Court though....we had to sell it in order to keep going and are now being held to ransom tying to buy it back...i'm so pleased you're interested in our humble club btw...
Remember going there in the Cup in 84 when you beat us 2-0
rommel if he had put away half the chances he should have, you'd be smiling tother side of your face. Hopefully he'll hit the target more often from here on in and be top midfield scorer in the EPL next season. I'm smiling because rather than Pogba we could have Henderson.....now that WOULD be worrying. Soon as Pogba gets a rest for a couple of games he'll come back firing....
if only i could wish hendo on yous.dess what'd worry me about the pog is his finishing,he just aint got it...now it can take some players a while to settle in...long may his woes flourish,must be eating jose up,ho diddly do and a dee
That was a great day anxious....the old wooden stand was rocking........I remember being awestruck at the sight of Bryan Robson...now he was a player worth 90mill....you've had your pants pulled down over Pogba.
...I remember being awestruck at the sight of Bryan Robson...now he was a player worth 90mill....you've had your pants pulled down over Pogba.
Yep...still in all cup comps after winning one of them....and STILL two bites of the cherry to qualify for the champions league proper....
pressure must be mounting....
pressure must be mounting....
Some of his pressure has actually gone now because the FA have actually rested Ibra for him. Now all he has to do is find rest time for Pogba who has been seriously flagging last few matches
Mar 10, 2017 -- 2:19PM, TheBetterBettor wrote:
Yep...still in all cup comps after winning one of them....and STILL two bites of the cherry to qualify for the champions league proper....pressure must be mounting....
You sound like a Liverpool fan would back when Utd were good.......didn't you use to laugh at them for trying to win those cups?...you'll be calling it a 'treble' in a minute!....
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