Proof if you've ever needed it about traders and cashout function (billys)

Oct 5, 2016 -- 10:34PM, toffee87 wrote:

isn't that what betfair is for ?Hedging and laying - that's what I do - I have never used the cash out facility as the odds are sh!te - genuinely I did 4 teams the other week in trebles and an acca, 3 came in and the other was playing on the Sunday. The cash in value was less that the treble that was already guaranteed ???I was guaranteed £130 and £800 if all 4 won but the offer was £128 !!

no iquidity on the games concerned at the time and which one do I trade on, the one I would wasnt the one that let me down it was the one were the team were 3-1 up and scored two goals in 89 + 93 mins.

Oct 5, 2016 -- 10:33PM, flukes wrote:

Suggest you get Paul Haigh Total Respect involved on here, he assists with betting disputes and invariably gets them paid with a threat of small claims court action

Cheers, know Paul, I may put a complaint in but I more rather highlight it to others that they exclusively select their liability and suspend accordingly.

Oct 5, 2016 -- 11:17PM, maleuk01. wrote:

If the bet had won would you have phoned them up saying I would have cashed out so ill give you half the money back?Surely a bookie doesn't have to offer cash out on any event if they don't want too. As soon as you put a bet on that's it, down to the bookie if they offer cash back on it.I wander if they sit around laughing and joking, "I had this real idiot on the phone to me whinging, they but an acca on which lost and wanted half their winnings as there wasn't a cash out option when the bet was looking like winning"I don't mind a bit of bookie bashing, but this takes the pi$$

Sorry I dont think it does, it was a punt but to selectively suspend bets is wrong imho when the game itself is still in play and taking bets.

Oct 5, 2016 -- 11:35PM, mesmerised wrote:

The game finished 0-3 to Newtown ?

Thats the game they had suspeded for half an hour, the leatherhead game had two goals in a minute at 90 mins

Oct 6, 2016 -- 12:00AM, mesmerised wrote:

just to clarify, the leatherhead game was 1-2 up @ 56 min then 1-3 at 67 before the late 89 and 90+4 goals? not 0-3 up. Something would tell me they knew it would be a draw.

Correct, but they had the newtown game suspended from the 60th minute when betting was available that whole tiime in play, so they had infact suspended he whole acca wiith a view to something hopefully happening in the other games to go in their favour

Oct 6, 2016 -- 9:47AM, TheChaser wrote:

mega88mega88 05 Oct 16 22:25 Joined: 16 May 07 | Topic/replies: 7,597 | Blogger: mega88's blogNow that's feckING NAUGHTY!!!!All time low this, suspending the lads acca when it's winning. In their TCS that this is legit WTFThis is bang out of order mega aint itkelly did you lay of the 3-0 on BF or back th draw in running on the single market as you bang on about it to Paolo but he never let us know.If i was you i would sue them for messing with your account it's clearly against you bro

Nope as there was no liquidity on any of the games.  I havent lost out so not that bothered and I get my stake back as one lost out of the 6 fold acca.

Oct 6, 2016 -- 10:51AM, kellydamo wrote:

Oct  6, 2016 --  9:47AM, TheChaser wrote:mega88mega88 05 Oct 16 22:25 Joined: 16 May 07 | Topic/replies: 7,597 | Blogger: mega88's blogNow that's feckING NAUGHTY!!!!All time low this, suspending the lads acca when it's winning. In their TCS that this is legit WTFThis is bang out of order mega aint itkelly did you lay of the 3-0 on BF or back th draw in running on the single market as you bang on about it to Paolo but he never let us know.If i was you i would sue them for messing with your account it's clearly against you broNope as there was no liquidity on any of the games.  I havent lost out so not that bothered and I get my stake back as one lost out of the 6 fold acca.

On an exchange, you have the ability to request a price. If you'd have submitted an offer, I am certain you'd have been accepted and made a bigger profit than would have been offered to you by a rip-off cashout offer.

Oct 6, 2016 -- 3:02PM, The_Winner_Takes_It_All wrote:

So I don't think it's unrealistic to think a person was sat there monitoring this guys acca.

There is absolutely no chance someone is monitoring a £10 mug acca on the off chance it pays out £500-600

I would suggest that either:
a) The customer service representative in question doesn't know what they are talking about/ are just making it up,

b) Hills have a problem with the way their system links betting suspensions or

c) Hills have introduced cashout 'because everyone else is doing it', without anyone there understanding why it has been introduced, nor the benefits to the company of allowing people to do so

Oct 6, 2016 -- 2:49PM, badjoe wrote:

Here is a little tip, if your going to do accas, make sure 1 leg is later than all the others.

And the point of that is????

So many people do 6+ team accas at the weekend with 1 team running on the Sunday only to get them all up on a Sat and then decide to cash out Sun morning.

Why put the last one in in the first place.

Accas are just mug bets full stop betting to million % over rounds.

Oct 6, 2016 -- 4:14PM, spyker wrote:

I stopped doing accas for the same reason as this guy experienced.  It's a total disgrace what they ALL do. They either suspend for ages so you cant cash out when you want to, or they offer you such a p!ss take offer that there is no point in cashing out.Do people put bets on with cash out in mind, really? I had a yankee up a few weeks back and won just over 6k, cash out offer going into last (5/2ish fav) was 3k (1.6k won with 3 winners). Not a bad offer but it never really entered my head to accept it, mainly cos if you don't accept it and it loses well big deal but if you take it and it wins then it's a whole lot worse! I could have laid it off on here but I thought it would win and don't see the point in laying off for the sake of it. Mind you, I am a gambler.........

I agree but I would have taken the cash out or traded off i this instance because the one game that I was worried about they were leading 1-0 but were down to 10 men since the 48th minute and were getting hammered according to the live stats, I would have taken based on that gae alone, I werent worried about the other 5 games.  It was though one of the other 5 games that turned me over and the 1-0 team held on.  In these sort of instances then I would be inclined to trade out or cash out.

Oct 6, 2016 -- 1:56PM, mega88 wrote:

We can all agree lesson learnt here.

The lesson being you seem to think talking like Danny Dyer makes you look cool

Oct 6, 2016 -- 6:02PM, the whizz kids wrote:

Oct  6, 2016 --  2:49PM, badjoe wrote:Here is a little tip, if your going to do accas, make sure 1 leg is later than all the others.And the point of that is????So many people do 6+ team accas at the weekend with 1 team running on the Sunday only to get them all up on a Sat and then decide to cash out Sun morning.Why put the last one in in the first place.Accas are just mug bets full stop betting to million % over rounds.

In the past I would have agreed with that last line, but people on here seem to win thousands on acca's non-stop. Someone on this thread claims he won 6k the other week!

Oct 6, 2016 -- 7:13PM, charwell. wrote:

Amazing how you would have cashed out at exactly the optimum moment. Yet you sat there for 30 minutes and did nowt. You could have contacted them, you could have laid off on BF.But no. You sat there in your slightly soiled spiderman undies; salivating and licking your chops at the thought of a trip to meet the Balinese Goddess of Beauty with these ill gotten gains.Then, before you could crack open a vintage Pot Noodle, circa 2014, your bet went down like Kerry Katona on a giant pork schnitzel .So you huffed and puffed.Stood there on that hill in the lightning wearing a suit of armour screaming 'All bookies are b@stards.'Agog at the 2 fingered salute issued by the bookie who more or less told you it was his ball to take home; you snivelling little air bag..... 'But if you want to complain further the number you need Mr Fu Ming is 0121 Do 1.And so the sun sets on another fruitless days gambling.

I tried for 30 minutes to trade out and I also checked other feeds to make sure the game was in play as well.  Oh by the way thank **** i dont take your betting advice, all 6 would be loses from the start according to the latest stats

Oct 6, 2016 -- 7:37PM, Blackrock wrote:

I know Charwell has been accused of being Derek McGovern, but i had my doubts.The latest post by Charwell is well beyond the capability of your average Scouser, and with DM's journalistic training, allied to the fact that i met the said man many moons ago, i think there is a big chance that Charwell is in fact Derek.

Though he has been a little harsh, Charwell has in reality summed this up pretty accurately.

The OP has my sympathies - we have all been there - but does he really expect the bookies to take him seriously and pay him out? I am sure the OP is genuine, but it would just open the floodgates to many others who would take the opportunity of having their cake and eating it when 'their bet went against them and they could not cash out due to a suspension, but of course they were intending to cash out'. Only solution is, don't bet with the books where their software is not up to the job.

Oct 6, 2016 -- 7:51PM, pushkin99 wrote:

Oct  6, 2016 --  7:37PM, Blackrock wrote:I know Charwell has been accused of being Derek McGovern, but i had my doubts.The latest post by Charwell is well beyond the capability of your average Scouser, and with DM's journalistic training, allied to the fact that i met the said man many moons ago, i think there is a big chance that Charwell is in fact Derek.Though he has been a little harsh, Charwell has in reality summed this up pretty accurately. The OP has my sympathies - we have all been there - but does he really expect the bookies to take him seriously and pay him out? I am sure the OP is genuine, but it would just open the floodgates to many others who would take the opportunity of having their cake and eating it when 'their bet went against them and they could not cash out due to a suspension, but of course they were intending to cash out'. Only solution is, don't bet with the books where their software is not up to the job.

I am not expecting to be paid out nor have I made a complaint, I am merely highlighting the fact that it has been said that traders can withdraw the cashout availability which was clearly done here on results that could be a high liability