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England's big 4
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It's all relative here. We are in effect discussing who has made the most improvements. There was only 5 points last year separating Arsenal, Tottenham, Man City and Man Utd. Chelsea were an abomination, but it just seems impossible for this to happen again.
Manager wise I'm not sure the Premier League has ever had as a strong a managers in charge of the clubs as right now across the top clubs. But someone pretty much has to not hit expectations, as you've got 6 clubs to effectively fit into 4 places for starters. And honestly a number of these clubs won't even be happy with just 4th either. |
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Well I guess if Sturridge is the usual what will end up happening is it will be Firmino/Mane up top anyway.
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And when you look at it like that, 5 points really highlights how small the margins are. Given Spurs are perceived to have had a great season last year, yet were 4 points above Man Utd and Man Utd fans will say it was some of the worst football they've ever watched last year. Man City seemed to not really be in it mentally for some reason or other, and as I said before Arsenal are perceived to have been poor but finished 2nd.
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Its keeping key players fit
Leicester had a fantastic run and could virtually name an unchanged eleven City have the Kompany problem Man U need to strengthen at the back as their squad is thin there Arsenal always seem to pick up injuries at the wrong time |
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So you think there is a defensive weakness, but didn't mention again the CB we've signed who was in the Bundesliga team of the season
 Our biggest weaknesses was set pieces. He's also massive, and had most headed clearances in that league last season as well. Personally I've no idea if Mane or Wijnaldum will be any good. But clearly goals was also an issue for us last season. And both these two each scored more than any other Liverpool player last season. So Id imagine that was one of their biggest plus points to our scouts. |
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I personally think Klopp has improved Liverpool a decent amount this summer.
But the improvement in finishing position next season will be negligible for all the reasons mentioned already. City, Utd and Chelsea will almost certainly be a lot better. Liverpool have to improve a decent amount just to challenge the top four. |
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think you could have at least half a dozen guesses at the top 4 in any order and still not get it right
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Totally agree with that mafe. Good luck anyone risking a big bet on the outright this year, I'm leaving it alone until the season gets going.
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Think the main improvement will be that Klopp has had a full pre season
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Karius is top quality. Mignolet won't get a look in when he's fit.
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Hope so Die Linke.
I'll be surprised and a fair bit disappointed if the signings we've made from the Bundesliga aren't pretty decent, given the Managers knowledge, contacts and reputation. |
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That's despite n88 saying they are 'very average'. I'll have a fiver he's never even seen Matip or Karius play.
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I thought this thread was about the BIG 4???
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This is a PREMIER LEAGUE Fred sol. I'm afraid you won't understand it's nuances.
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 OK, as it is open to comments re ALSO RANS, Hull to be relegated is my NAP. |
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Every aspiring top club should have a German keeper. There's enough to choose from. I remember the days when England had a couple of world class keepers!
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Doesn't it depend on who they appoint?!
Brave napping that until you know the Manager imo. |
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Club is in absolute turmoil, CCM.
Daddy's boy on a power trip. No signings. Helped myself to Evens a couple of weeks back. |
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Wait until they install Senor Bobby. That will look the best bet of the decade.
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The lack of signings does make Hull seem goners tbf, there is still time for that to change though.
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I'm still waiting for my bets to all be matched.
The one that has I'm super confident of. Liverpool are top 4 Certs. |
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It will, because no way will Utd, City and Chelsea be as bad as last year, that alone will make it better. I will be shocked if any of these teams don't better their points tally from last season comfortably.
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The the big boys will be picking up all the major honours whilst the rest of the smaller clubs will be picking up the scraps
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