Next England Manager....

Fat Sam would stop us being relegated from a group

“I wanted to do a real knock-your-socks-off interview for the FA, so I put together a PowerPoint which looked at every single detail,” he wrote in his autobiography. “There was nothing missing. Nobody but nobody was going to beat it. But then Brian Barwick, the chief executive, told me there were no PowerPoint facilities at the interview venue, so I had to print off hard copies for the panel. So much for the progressive FA.”

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'Allardyce has benefited from a ringing endorsement from Sir Alex Ferguson during the two-week consultation process when the FA canvassed opinion from within the sport. Ferguson, a close ally of Allardyce, has spoken to David Gill, the FA’s vice-chairman and former Manchester United chief executive who is helping to conduct the search'


Fergie's mangerial recommendations so far....

1. Alex Mcleish for Adton Villa
2. David Moyes for Man United

Local news up here reports Big Sam is flying back froM Austria to hold talks with the FA.

Of those being mooted I think Sam is the best choice.

The USA were absolutely woeful in last years Concacaf Gold Cup.  Possibly the worst performances by a USA team in the history of that event. 

Sam has been very consistent over a long period of time and he's strong enough mentally to deal with the pressure of the media.

..................is on a hiding to nothing!!!

england are at such a low ebb anyone who can get them vaguely organised to resemble a football team would be a vast improvement on hodgson

. I take he didn't get the Austria job then

big sam for me bieng a bolton fan ive seen sam at close quarters and this myth about long ball is just that, he plays to win ,he will analize the opposition and work out a plan to nullify there strenghths then win the game anyone who signs djorkeffe ,jay jay ockocha,hierro,nic anelka, etc etc cannot be accused of just long ball get big sam in he will sort it

just when you thought that England had reached rock bottom the F.A are about to prove the nation wrong. Sam Allardyce ...really!!!!!  I can only assume that this is because he wins the vast majority of games with his clubs in the last 6 weeks of the season as they fight for survival, may be a good omen leading into a major tournament that he is better in the summer months.  Oh how the rest of Britain pi$$ their self with this potential cracker....

Big Fat Sam will have the last laugh. He always does.

cool hand he took bolton into europe twice yes little old bolton into europe noy once but twice he also made us a regular premier league team sam will sort that shower out quick time

Easy to forget that when Allardyce took over after Sunderland had played eight games last season, they were below even Villa in the League.

Allardyce improves bad teams, fast. He is just the man we need.

He does well with the so called small clubs, however he has failed at the bigger ones...Newcastle and West Ham fans will tell you he is shiiit, he may suit Scotland, Northern Ireland or Malta but England, be serious.

There is simply no way this is rock bottom Luke. We've just seen rock bottom and his name is Roy f*cking Hodgson.

I think Allardyce will do Ok. Whatever way you look at it, he's a huge step up on the last halfwit.

I'd give it to Southgate, permanent, on a minimal salary

so newcastle and west ham are bigger than sunderland, i take it you are new to football ?

and while we're at it all england managers since ramsey have been failures, some bigger failures than others. dont understand people having a go at allardyce ( as a sunderland fan hope we keep him ).

newcastle players having a big say in this

had they been bothered then suderland would have gone down

and sam would be free to take on job

btw what happened to next england manager pardew ?

how come he isnt fav ?

think his dance routine at fa cup final rendered him unemployable

Think Sam may be nailed on now, for good or bad.  Can't see FA going German or for Eddie Howe due to relative lack of experience with the ego boys.  Would have liked Harry to have been given a chance but he's blotted his copybook with the men in suits.  Hoddle must be a no-no too.

We've left it far too late knowing that Hodgson was a dead man walking after disastrous competitions before even this one, and his contract about to expire.

FA should hang their heads in shame.  All decent managers were snapped up weeks before this fiasco began.  They should have sounded out the likes of Conte and Ancelotti months ago.  Poor form by the people who supposedly run our game.

Bobby Davro.

still beggars belief that a committee of 4 people all thought it was a good idea to appoint roy hodgson

The FA bloke picking the new manager - Dan Ashworth (me neither) - was appointed by Roy Hodgson

cool hand luke, west ham fans can tell you what they like, you just check the records.

Interviewer:

How do you see the England team progressing under your guidance Sam?

Allardyce:

I'm going to hit the big lad up front as soon as possible.

Interviewer:

Bearing that in mind Sam, what type of training regime will you adopt during your preparation?

Allardyce:

I'm going to hit the big lad up front as soon as possible.

Interviewer

Riigghhtt

yes , sunderland escaped relegation by the big boot up to the big lad defoe. can people do research before posting, would be helpful.

cool_hand_luke    11 Jul 16 20:57 
He does well with the so called small clubs, however he has failed at the bigger ones...Newcastle and West Ham fans will tell you he is shiiit, he may suit Scotland, Northern Ireland or Malta but England, be serious.




I am a lifelong West Ham fan and appreciate the fact Sam took us from the championship to premiership stability. Some West Ham fans may think that was not good enough but the truth is they never wanted him in the first place. If you like your football to be played backwards, sideways and in pretty little circles then you won't want Sam.

did you think west ham improved under bilic, or would you prefer sam back ?

There is no comparison between the squad inherited by Allardyce and the one by Bilic.

not really answering the question, but reluctance to do so says it all really

Players such as Payet, Lanzini and Ogbonna were not available to Allardyce.  Unless of course you think they made no difference.

err, he was being touted to newcastle, we signed cabella instead, when sam was at west ham

^payet

Oh I see now, a Newcastle supporter. Says it all really.

Instead of posting emoticons perhaps you might try to answer the question as to whether the 3 players mentioned made no difference to West Ham's team last season.

why not answer my question first ?


oh no, you want to post abuse, well done,

NOT Fat Sam PLEASE... FFS

OK, let's just stop and think what might have been different if Sam had managed England in the Championship just passed.

Firstly, no way he picks anyone who's not fit, so that's two, perhaps three, places available and three players who eventually contributed nothing to the campaign removed from contention.

If the stereotype is to be believed, then we would almost certainly have taken Andy Carroll. Even people who would balk at such a selection would have to concede that Carroll might have been a better option off the bench against Iceland than those who did come on.

There would have been a plan, rather than a glaring absence of a plan. And each player in the team would have known to the minutest degree what he was doing there, and what his job was.

I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea, I don't like the bloke very much myself, but he knows what he's doing. By my reckoning, that immediately makes him better than any England manager since Glenn Hoddle.

We need to have a clear understanding of where we are as a Football nation. We are a basket case. We are further away from being competitive in Major Championships than we have ever been. This is not about getting someone in to tinker at the edges of a decent side, this is about dragging us out of the gutter of the International game. It can only be Sam.

NO NO NO....PLEASE NO

What I've seen of Big Sam sides, it'll revert England to football from the dark ages. Throwing it into the mixer for the big no9 to get on the end of, an emphasis on physicality, no finesse, no possession football, parking the bus. ffs, does anyone really want that as the future of the England team?

No, let's carry on as we are.

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You need to look at how Allardyce played last season, as morpteh mackem, who attends matches at the SoL, told you earlier.

Trilby, Martin Keown has ruled himself out.

He should change his name to Sam Allardici and pretend he's Italian then everyone would love him.

Failing big Sam what about David Beckham as England manager?

we need a manager who will manage the players and not be managed by the players

its a tough ask with the egos about, and the press massaged by agents and players too

maybe we just need to go out and find the best manager without the silly
constraints of being engerlish or being mates with tom dick and harry

'Fat sam improves bad teams'

How different was the West Ham team that Billic got challenging for Europe from the 1 Fat Sam managed to do his usual trick of just not being relegated the season before? Genuine question, was it vastly different or did Billic improve them?

Such a nebulous idea, did he improve them? Of course he did, the table doesn't lie. The groundowrk Allrdyce had done - such as buying Cresswell for £3.75m - enabled Bilic when he came in to improve the forward players because Sam had done his job so well establishing and organising a Premiership-quality defence. And let's also understand that the club's ambitions have changed in the last couple of seasons - they have been gifted a stadium and the TV money has gone through the roof.

FWIW, they had to get rid of Allardyce - the fans never liked him and were only prepared to tolerate him because he was doing such a good job, as soon as the improvement plateaued they were after him. And the bare facts make it look a good call. But West ham fans who know their football are aware of what a great job Allardyce did.

The difference between West Ham this season to the season before last was Dimitri Payet, not Slaven Bilic imo, although I think Slaven is an excellent manager.

The league table does lie fwiw.

Lanzini, Antonio (NAP) Not just Payet mate.

I believe the three teams with the most injuries last season were Man Utd, Man City and Liverpool.  Leicester had by far the least. The season before I believe it was Chelsea. 

Ranieri was in charge of Greece before Leicester... 0-1h vs Romania 0-2h v Northern Ireland 0-1h v Faroe Islands.  Now he's a legend.

"I made a mistake when I was manager of Greece. I wanted to look because it is a different job at a club to a national team. I had four matches and for each game I trained the players for just three days. That is 12 days of training. What can I do in just 12 days? I had to rebuild a national team in just 12 days. What could I do? I am not a magician"

If the FA want to be bold it has to be Klinsi (imagine what he could do with all that young talent). If the FA want to avoid humiliation against the likes of Iceland it has to be Big Sam.

Klinsmann - smoke and mirrors. Rodgers with a Beetle.

a friend of my dad's works at St. George's Park, and he says Gus Hiddink was there last week.

I've been looking at his wiki page and statto...

3 promotion, Notts County, Bolton and West Ham.  Saved Sunderland from relegation, got Bolton into Europe through the league.  Did well at Blackpool and arguably Blackburn (they got relegated the season after he left)  He spent 5 months at Newcastle and left them in 11th place (the season after they were relegated).

In 22 years in management he hasn't had a bad season.  There won't be another English manager with a record as long and as consistent as that.

Klinsmann otoh was a relative failure at Bayern, and led the USA to arguably their worst performances ever in last year's Concacaf Gold Cup.  His management of the German team was only ok, and his management of the USA the same.  Why the fook would you want Klinsmann other than the name?  Name makes no difference in International footie because you've all got to make do with the players available.

Where does the notion that West Ham were inevitably going to improve due to signing the players they signed last year come from ?

Not how everyone saw it then.

The standard line - from pro Sam pundits - last August was 'It is crucial West Ham are still in the Premier League when they move stadiums, Big Sam would have guaranteed that but they think the grass is greener and have taken a huge punt on Bilic. They should remember what happened to Newcastle and Blackburn after they sacked Sam'

That was a valid viewpoint at the time tbf - it was a risk. But there was always the fallback for Gold and Sullivan that the fans had been calling for his head anyway, not like they sacked a geezer who the fans worshipped.

It should go without saying that international football is very different to club football.  To me, it makes no sense to appoint an international manager who has no experience of international football (and especially tournament football) as a player, assistant or manager.  Also I don't think management records at club level are all that relevant

West Ham without Payet last season W1 D5 L2

I agree that being an international manager is different and an unknown, but you'd never get any new International managers if you just picked from those with experience.  With every previous England manager alive being labelled a failure that's not going to be an Englishman.  That is like throwing the towel in as a footballing nation if you only pick from foreign coaches.

It's also worth pointing out that being labelled a successful international manager is much more down to luck than being a successful club manager.  So those that are perceived successful, are often likely to just have been lucky.

klinsman did well at germany because he employed low
why not just sign low for engerland if we want to go down that route ?

we need to produce engerland teams to play well in cup comps not over a 38
game season,  its different

England need to qualify first

Germany have on average the best players and greatest strength in depth in world football imo.  That helps a lot!

Can't agree with notion Klinsmann hasn't done well with the USA. They just made Copa Centenario sfs, and they were excellent at the last WC. He had limited talent at his disposal too but got the absolute utmost out of them, and they were set up on the pitch superbly.

Germany at the 2006 WC were also excellent and played some great football. Absurd to say that success was down to Lowe when Klinsmann was the coach of that side. I'd rather have someone like Klinsmann with a proven international track record than someone like Allardyce who does not.

Jul 12, 2016 -- 11:53AM, jed.davison wrote:

That was a valid viewpoint at the time tbf - it was a risk. But there was always the fallback for Gold and Sullivan that the fans had been calling for his head anyway, not like they sacked a geezer who the fans worshipped.

It might have seemed a sensible viewpoint that West Ham had a ceiling of 11th and that only Sam could get them that high . West Ham's fans and owners were mocked by Sam's media mates for thinking they could do better. The fact that the fans/owners were right puts a big hole in Sam's elite manager credentials.

its still a series of one off games, not a huge league,
and probably only one team in our mini league at our standard or better

we cant go play for draws and hope that the odd win puts us comfortably
mid table

jr you can't just take two tournaments and ignore the third, where they were truly awful.  In that tournament they were the better team trying to break down weaker opponents, as he is likely to experience in WCQ with England, and their performances were dreadful.  Basing a managerial appointment on results over 4 games is just ridiculous imo.

Also seens like straw clutching to attribute West Ham's improvement to 1 player of the sort that Allardyce would be unlikely to sign in the first place

if engerland came along and took a clubs manager

how many of those clubs would look to replace him with alladyce ?

England are more like the West Ham of world football.
Big Sam/Redknapp for me.

I'm judging Allardyce over 20 years.  It's only 8 games West Ham played without Payet (and 8 games is hardly enough), but it's 30 they played with him and he was their undisputed star.  Whether Bilic chose Payet, or Payet was chosen for him, and Whether Sam would've chose him is irrelevant, since in International football you don't make transfers.

I rate Bilic.  Stood out a mile as a pundit. 

7 competitive games is what Hodgson is being judged on, rather than what I think is the 1 defeat from the other 24?

I don't think USA were that great in the Copacentenario just played either. Played 5 w3 l2 f 7 a7 and lost to the two 2 good teams.  That's about where the USA are.

It's a sinecure anyway the USA job. Not like they even get football.

The players would buy into big Sam I'm sure...and Harry.They didn't buy into Capello who had all the credentials.We don't need a rocket scientist foreign manager.

They also know the Premier League and all the English players first hand.  Klinsmann doesn't.  I think he could be a disaster.

Antonio will be in Sam's first squad - can one have a bet on such a thing?

Who managed Portugal to win the euros?Santos...a Portuguese chap. They bought into him.

And I didn't see too many Portugueser's in that parade yesterday questioning how the road was paved.

Over the course of his tenure with Germany and USA, Clyde, he has shown excellent coaching ability at international level and has achieved good results in the main. Losing in the Concacaf Gold Cup sf to Jamaica after taking 7pts in the group stage and beating Cuba 6-0 in the qf is hardly a disaster with a very limited squad. Big Sam would be yet another Hodgson/McClown-type appointment imho.

Again, this is a misconception of the highest order. Allardyce is not some primitive, he knows how to accommodate gifted players within a solid team, as the bolton fan above said.

We need a manager to put heart n soul into the team,get the best out of the players,football isn't rocket science it's a simple game.Tactics are easy!There's a hundred managers out there with tactical brains just as knowledgeable as Klinsman.If he got the job it'd be all about "me me me n my systems".

jr they may have got 7 points but their performances were awful.  They didn't deserve to win any of them and the opposition incredibly poor.  The USA want rid for a reason.

The rest of world football will be quaking in their boots if Big Sam is appointed, that's for sure

Like they laughed when Ranieri took over Leicester. They laughed when Wenger turned up at Arsenal as well.

the whole of the USA will be laughing if England appoint Klinsmann

Without really even knowing what they're laughing at, bless 'em.

CLYDEBANK29
     12 Jul 16 13:40

the whole of the USA will be laughing if England appoint Klinsmann


Why?, because he wouldn't allow them to stop the game every 5 minutes for an ad break?

Getting out of the group stage of a world cup and semis of the copa should be viewed as a success for the yanks at football..err, sorry, soccer I mean

Seriously though, we're in a desperate state, we've all been told that the next appointment needs to be the right one!!! How then can we go for someone with zero international experience, failing that then how are we going to go for someone with precisely zero stature, and I'm talking from the view point among the players because the moment things go wrong, half the dressing room will be saying, who the fook are you!!

Do we know if Big Sam actually wants the job?  I can't find any comments from him about it.

he's old school. couldn't get down to wembley quick enough if offered it

I think it's time for a WOMAN to take the reins and steer England to glory...

johnnyrant

What I've seen of Big Sam sides, it'll revert England to football from the dark ages. Throwing it into the mixer for the big no9 to get on the end of, an emphasis on physicality, no finesse, no possession football, parking the bus. ffs, does anyone really want that as the future of the England team?

For all his Big Sam's perceived faults, I wouldn't have minded seeing Andy Carroll on the end of a few crosses.  Lots of sides at the Euros didn't have a clue when trying to defend against "big number 9's".  At least it would have given us another option.  I bet Big Sam would never have taken Rooney either, another fact in his favour.

I really don't get the anti big Sam stuff. Yes he has a long ball/direct reputation, but I think he would do well with the side personally. The foreign coaches didn't get us any further than previous England managers. Maybe he would actually stand up to this shower and drop players that aren't delivering - yeah I know a crazy thought right to play players that are in form and include players from less fashionable teams that would come in and play as a team.

Anyone but Fat Sam PLEASE...I'd rather bring back Sven.

The crowd booing the team on and off the pitch is a stonecold certainty, as night follows day, and not something i really ever want to see.

USA were better under Bruce Arena than Klinsmann.  Would he not be a better choice?

I think the rejuvenation of the German side is what the F.A. should be paying attention to rather than how he's done with the yanks, although I think the F.A. will be frightened off, as he may want to change everything from top to bottom.