England fans only (please) where has it gone do wrong ?

How many countries would have kept the Manager who performed like that at the last WC?

Jimmy Hill getting rid of the maximum wage (NAP)


Millionaire teenagers these days with no motivation to play

The only team in the tournament where all the players are from their home league....Spurs were touted as a good team by the EPL hype machine they are complete w@nk (as are the rest of them)

didn't take Mark Noble

What date/era are we going back to please?

I could tell you but I'm not an England fan.

The bloke in charge had a prepared resignation letter in his pocket.  That lack of confidence prob transmitted itself to the players.

Arrogance and wages.

see my post on so well try another manager

He didn't have the Bol lox to drop an awful Rooney so destroyed the shape of the side to manufacture a place for him in midfield.this was premiered in the friendly v Portugal where his first experiment was so horrible one the eye. So he experimented again at a tournament. In the end we had Rooney, Hart, Wilshere and Sterling -  all playing badly yet getting game time. We were hamstrung by Hodgsons incompetence. He took a young, pacy vibrant team and turned them into an abject failure.

Should we be looking to bring back the old ( foreigner ) rule ??

Teams must field a certain amount of home grown players.  We've gone backwards and I don't know the answer.

It's nothing new!
It's gone wrong always!England have never won anything except 66' with home advantage.
I have had to put up with England flops for years n years.We used to win European Cups at Club level with English/British Isles players beating Spanish,Italian sides choc full of world stars.Then at International level with these same players....nothing!

Even in 1966 I think they changed the rules to play one of the England games at Wembley when it was planned for another ground (lack of capacity old boy).

Blimey just seen Steve McLaren laying into Woy's tactics

roy hodgson has just refused to actually build a team that know what they doing...we went into this tournament like the world cup not knowing what team should be on the pitch, with players who haven't even played together or in a system they feel comfortable playing in...

the game football is a team game and sometimes the best players don't fit into what is in the best interests of building the strongest team in which to play...italy are proving this now with an average team quality wise but are just well drilled as a team, we aren't a team with no system of playing 

harry kane taking corners and free kicks of which he proved pre tourney he wasn't capable of doing, then dropping out to the flank when we are playing one up just defied belief, sterling who has no end product and had no form pre tourney, today we played 2 up with sturridge on the flank who had to keep coming inside to his left foot, then we bring vardy on and give him no service, which is something we didn't even try in a weak qualifying group, no balls over the top or movement off the last man to give him any chance in which to produce

foster has proven since returning from injury he is excellent but not given a chance

townsend not considered when in great form at the end of the season and a proven england player

henderson taken when in desperate form for his club

danny drinkwater not considered but might of been a cracking team player but not even tried

anyway the cracks were there for all to see team wise with no organisation and roy hodgson or any manager has 2 years in which to prepare a team in which to go to war, it doesn't matter if you are aren't good enough, as long as the best team possible are organized on the pitch... we are a poorly run nation

i found the most annoying thing about today was the chaos football we played first half giving the opposition zero respect it deserved, who weren't a class team but were well drilled, i can't imagine we would of shown spain the same disrespect...

anyway its over and gareth southgate is favorite for the job with no experience, i'm not sure of the right option but it needs to be a man who isn't swayed by ego players and can actually build us a team in which to go to a tournament with, that know what they doing...this manager has 2 years in which to build this team

Too many spuds players in the team FIVE ffs!

Renowned bottlers.

Diff-rent    27 Jun 16 23:22 
Should we be looking to bring back the old ( foreigner ) rule ??

Teams must field a certain amount of home grown players.  We've gone backwards and I don't know the answer.

Didn't qualify for World Cups in 74, 78 & 94.

Weren't too many foreign players about then.

never ever play an arsenal player overpaid no pride no passion and couldn't care less

I think its the Rooney factor, he had to change the shape and the tactics in order to get him into the team and it just didnt work.

in the seventies we were winning European Cups with home grown talent most years against the like of Barca,Juventus etc who had teams of world stars.Yet when these players played for England...useless!

It's just an "England thing"

enpassant spot on

Brexits will sort this mess out.
Get rid of them foreigners and give the lower league lads a turn.

Eyeball...what about the last 50 years of flops?

...the creation of the EPL, greed took over then

Champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have the skill, and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill.

Muhammad Ali

^^^^^
none of that lot fit to lick his boots

yes knavesmire you are not wrong but we've had some awful managers during that time.......can only remember world cup 90 and euros 96 when we actually looked ok......I still believe we have decent players but our management of them has been pathetic .

In a word money. Winning is now less important than generating or protecting cash. The race to finish top 4, is more important than a chance to win a cup. At some point every member of recent squads, would have sat out games in the two cup competitions, because the Premiership - in reality cash - is the priority for all teams. In international football cash is not part of the equation, and under these circumstances players are minus the motivation which they normally have,and can't or don't adjust. Perhaps it is unfair though to be too critical of players, because the cash is king ethos is inescapable. The Championship play off is not billed as a chance to play at the top level of football, but as the x million pound game. In years gone by a game involving the teams in fifth, and six place, would have been simply that. Now it is a game with Champions League significance. The phrase all important fourth place, is now part of the modern football vocabulary. This sort of environment must impact players approach and attitude to the games they play in. To the players of today, doing if for the glory and the immortality, is not something they can relate to, and it shows on the field.

Taken from another thread

"the 2 teams that finished first and second in scotland's difficult qualifying group are through to the quarter finals while the 2 teams that finished first and second in england's easy qualifying group are now back home.

maybe it's time for UEFA to stop giving england such easy qualifying groups so that they can actually judge how good or poor they are and what needs to be done to put it right before they go to finals."


You're welcome

some of these players reputations are built on ability of imports. look at kane, scores bagload for spurs . why ? he has eriksen supplying him. rose and walker, get help from belgian cbs- keep a tight defence.  these eleven from yesterday whist english aren't representative of the prem league. none of them would get a look in at real madrid or barca.
oh and dont take fat players ( barkley ) and palpably unfit players ( wilshire )

England like most of the UK teams do not have the technical ability to succeed.instead of trying to compete with the better teams they should have done an Iceland compact defence hit long raking balls to Vardy.

England have stood still, in more ways than one, while other countries have improved and developed.

It can't be coincidence that Iceland have improved so much since they invested in UEFA-qualified coaches to work with their children from 6 years old. They have one coach for every 500 people, England has one for every 10,000. Our kids play on full size pitches and don't get the chance of proper coaching until it's too late. The lack of movement and reliance on long passing and brute force is embarrassing nowadays.

The daft wages and constantly being told they play in the best league in the world don't help.

Too many pathetic players like Sterling who wouldn't get a job stacking shelves in Iceland.

Took me a while but have figured it out, in training and preparation our defenders practice against our forwards, so they think they are great, likewise our attackers practice against our defenders and they think they are great too. Roy and coaches watching this think this is all going rather well !!

Then we play proper teams.

I got this wrong I really thought we could have done ok, I apologise for my delusion, I won't do it again.

Bring on some German like Klinsmen , see how clever the Americans were, now see them were they are

I thought it went quite well

We qualified and then somehow got past the group stage

Well done lads

It didn't go wrong this was entirely expected this is what happens every time.  Doesn't matter about the players or manager its the same thing time after time.

  The biggest surprise is that people are so surprised.  Look at England's record its rubbish always has been.  Why? because  its the mentality.  They play with fear there is no real unity.

Its possible to change but I've seen it since the 1970's so I'm not holding my breath.

When they opened the school of excellence, they should have thrown the keys to Dario Gradi and told him to do what he does best, coach young players to play football, pass to each other and to keep the ball

The only difference this time is we didn't draw one of the better teams to go out to.


The problems for me. 

1. Our players are amongst the highest paid in the world due to the league they play in and not their individual ability. £20 million rated Troy Deeney says it all.  Hard working, average player at best.

2. Players playing out of position. Drives me absolutely mad. Why would Hodgson spend time watching Premier games, think ah, that Vardy is having an impressive season, I'm going to pick him in my next squad and play him out on the wing.  Sturridge spent most of the game out on the right wing.

3. He's been in charge four years and going into the tournament still hadn't decided on a formation or what his best team was.

4. Euphoria over winning qualifying groups that a League One team could probably qualify from.

5. Lack of movement. This whole tournament, every time a player has the ball, nobody moves. Watch other teams, the midfield are always rotating and moving around, making angles for a pass. So many time last night, Rooney or Wilshire had the ball and no options to pass it to anyone so back or sideways it goes.

6. We need a goal to avoid going out so we'll continue to play that guy who's scored 51 goals for the country in midfield.

7. I thought the whole point of last night's formation was to get wide and behind Iceland and get crosses in. The only cross I can remember was when Sturridge set up Kane for that volley. One of the only moments of quality all night.

8. Players whose presence in the squad is beyond belief.  In particular

Henderson - Best quality: runs around a lot, well we can all do that if fit enough

Sterling -  awful season for Man City and possibly the most over rated player in the world.  Runs up blind alleys or gives the ball away.


It'll never change until we either play to our strengths or start producing players who can pass, control and run and dribble with the ball.

As an Irishman I've often wished we had some of your players down the years on our team. However one thing has always struck me about English players is that they don't really play for the jersey or the team, playing international football to them seems just a way of getting a bigger contract somewhere or putting a couple of million on their transfer fees. How many of that lot last night will be still disappointed in a couple of days? Our own team are an average bunch but the difference in pride in playing for the jersey is startling. In fact the majority of teams in the competition would have that advantage over England. Imop the young players in England shouldn't be allowed to earn the huge sums they do until reaching a certain age, let them really work for it by giving them a small basic with bonuses for appearances and goals etc. Then you might see a different attitude when playing for your national side.

Hart
Clyne stones terry rose
 
  Drinkwater. Barkley , Noble, Ali

     Vardy. Rashford


Its roy innit, htf does he get jobs ?

Now they will make another boo boo and get southgate

even given the team that went onto the pitch last night ,our lass got have improved its performance by swapping sides for sturridge,and sterling and taking kane off set pieces,its an absolute disgrace that a player like kane is allowed to try and bolster his ego by trying to emulate ronny and bale with this new freekick tecnique that kane himself has no idea where its going when he strikes it,theres still 99,9% more goals scored from free kicks taking the way they were before ronny,bale,drogba etc started using this new skill
in the overall scheme of things we dont want our so called quality impact players,ali,rooney,sturridge etc spending 100% of their time trying to get the ball to walker who in his career must have attempted a zillion cross,s , shots and achieved next to nothing with them,the chances of messi,bale,ronny,suarez etc in the centre of the pitch 20,to 30yds from goal with the ball at their feet looking play a journeymen fullback in are less than zero,whats the chances on a reguarly basis of walker putting in a cross like bale,as ive said a million times before backed up by bilic,the ball to the fullbacks is always on because thats where the opposition want you to pass to

A combination of the players being over rated / over hyped and the suicidal formation they players...not even sure they had a formation to be honest with you.

Sorry but playing two centre halves, 1 defensive midfielder and everyone else running around doing their best Real Madrid impression isn't a formation. England are lucky they did not run into Germany / France / Italy who would've embarrassed England.

I always feel that you win and lose games in midfield...it's your core...your strength and England's midfield allugh occupied with players was non existent....unable to have any sort of control or impact on the game.

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The players being over rated is fairly obvious...they all play in a league where the top two teams were 5000/1 shots Leicester and Arsenal who can't get past the 2nd round of the Champions League.

There you go...the players are good but clearly not as good as they or us believe.

Surely you guys see this? Leicester were 5000/1 for a reason and Arsenal were pitiful last season...not sure how England ended up in a position where they had to rely on Vardy and Wilshere of all people to save the day...comical.

The over hyped aspect comes from the lies BT and Sky feed you with regards to how exciting and brilliant the Premier League is....it isn't. It's dog sh*t and they need to protect their 5bn gbp investment so will keep selling you the lies.

You just know that you are up against it when the option for Hodgson is .....

Bring Wheelchair on at half time ....

Do me a favour!!

the tactics were wrong

as all of us know we have to have a settled side BEFORE we go,he picked wiltshire who is so devoid of any idea's so he try's to walk through 4 or5 players then loses the round thing he's supposed be able to pass more than 10yrds and sterling has been gross this yr and rooney still come's away the same sorry excuses coming from him, and hart what do you say, he made so many mistakes how did this man keep his place if you were a defender in front of him you'd get the jitters,and as for one of the tallest player taking free kicks around the box is so stupid, perhaps we should look at the championship for players and not these players that cannot cope with being under pressure as soon as they get the ball, so once again we come home with our tails between legs.

I was not as surprised as some seem to be but the most obvious failing was in getting within shooting range and then getting a shot on target. Most of the shots from outside the area were never likely to succeed but if they had been on target, they would have had a chance. For whatever reason Vardy, Kane, Alli etc. were not even close to hitting the target with most of their shots and they hardly ever had a telling pass inside the area. It was almost as if they had been told to shoot whenever they were within 25 yards and abandoned any notion of playing someone else in. 
Add to that poor defence and a goalkeeping error and you get the result we saw. 

A general point, the quarterfinalists have all had five or more points and were either Group winners or equal on points in the Group stage apart from Portugal and it is a miracle that they are still in having not been ahead in any game after 90 minutes.

I gave up on England about 10 years ago, laying them every tournamet has been a cash cow for my bank, I have supported Italy for the last ten, I now get to watch some decent footie and the coffee and women are better too, it's a win win for me guys

I'm afraid we Liverpool fans must shoulder a lot of the blame. Chanting "Hodgson for England" when he was making an absolute pig's ear of a job at Anfield was meant as an ironic joke. Pity the FA didn't get the joke. Well actually they did get the joke, but he's gone now.

i mentioned the seemingly shoot on sight poilcy last night ,which suggests to me they are either playing for themselves and their opta stats,or are been made to feel under the pressure from the coach regards selection to make an immediate impact,either way it doesnt help create a team shape or pattern,as said on other threads he was just trying to shoehorn players who he thought should be playing into the team,alah rooney,sturridge etc,vardy like drinkwater an easy sacrifical lamb amongst the so called epl superstars,on form albrighton,townsend,noble etc all had claims

England fans can be summed up by this -
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

Not many England fans expected us to win the thing or get to the final but we should have beat Iceland no probs..
Sterling on left and Sturridge of right hummm....enough said...zero creativity.No service,not one decent cross.Sturridge runs with the ball like a headless chicken.Sterling has no footballing brain at all.Thats only part of the problem last night.
I expected us to find it hard to break down a stubborn defence and maybe nick it 1-0 then play much better v France in a more open game.
  I think the problem at International level is lack of intelligent,creative players and no passion.It seems to be all abount systems,diamonds in midfield,three at the back,zonal marking etc etc.What do we do with the ball though when we get it?!
We need to tear up the coaching manuals and start to concentrate on skills and intelligent play.

I didn't like to introduce the term "intelligence" but the lack of it is the root of the problem. For whatever reason professional football does not attract "bright" English players (or managers) in the way that Rugby Union and cricket seem to do. There are exceptions of course but I wonder if the culture of signing 16 year olds who leave education at that age is part of the problem.

be like the EU referendum - make Nicola sturgeon manager and play the Iceland game again until England win! ( mind u could take a long time)

if i had the job to get the point across i,d fine forward,midfield players for passing to fullbacks in the final 3rd of the field, as a fan i dont want to see fullbacks making the critical final ball into the box,if the wide men,midfielders arnt putting most of the balls into the box theres something wrong with system,you didnt see nevile putting balls into the box while beckham stood there applauding,or carra or arsenal fullbacks taking passes off overmars,pires,henry to cross the ball,in this tournament walker ,rose have had the ball more than any other player and created absolute zilch with it

Nothing to do with money. German players all get paid top dollar and deliver. France/Italy players etc all on great money, doesn't
affect them.

It's coaching at grass roots level. England prefer brawn/size over technical ability. Big headless chickens that run about all day
but lack technique at the highest level. Smalling, Cahill, Walker, Henderson etc just athletes not footballers

The coaches need to take a lot of blame as well for their lack of tactical awareness. Even the poorer sides ability wise are better
tactically. Well organised.

They need to change the coaching style right from grass roots. It would take at least 10/15 years but it would be 1 step back to go 3 forward, just now they're just going backwards.

Germany did it 10 years before they won the last world cup

It's dead easy to bait Hodgson and he deserves all the slagging he gets. The media sucked up to him for far too long. Any time someone dared to criticise Roy and his tactics he would produce his parrot faced snarl and the cowards would run for cover. Now when they had the evidence to give him a good verbal kicking it was Roy who did a runner.

Anyway, my point is that it's easy to have a go at Hodgson because he's the one with the public profile but who appointed him? It was David Bernstein, a Chartered Accountant ffs. The main problem with the England team is the FA, the up their own rse establishment.

How appropriate we have a association called the FA - they do absolutely F uck All

All together now;
"Eng-a-lund, Eng-a-lund, Eng-a-lund,

Ing-a-lund,Ing-a-lund, Ing-a-lu-und,

Ine-a-lund,Ine-a-lund,Ine-a-lund,

Ice-a-lu-und,Ice-a-lund!"

And to think, Geoff Hurst thought this was the best England team since 1966.

What never seems to get mentioned is that England play many other sports which the others don't.

Therefore they will tend to focus more on football.

Didi Hamann ( World Cup winner ) explains it perfectly here.....

“English people believe the hype of the Premier League,” said the German. “They have sold a Skoda for a Lamborghini for the last 15 years.

“The Premier League is average. If you look at Spain and Germany and the standard of football and look at the quality of football, it’s in a different league to England.

“Because it’s been watched all over the world, that doesn’t make it the best programme.


“They’ve created a brand, fair do to them, the players earn a lot of money, and all these players should light a candle every time they go to bed at night, because if they were Icelandic, Portuguese, Dutch or German, they would struggle to earn a quarter of the money they’re on now.

Didi Hamann is a cockwomble.

he,s right but not sure what he means ,because theres lots of foreign players getting payed fortunes and under performing big style at international level,silva,fabregas for 2

basicaly seems to be a compulsive gamblers who,s done his nuts and venting his jealousy on the wages of the epl

Shearer said that - we think the EPL is the greatest  league in the world, it isn't. The writing is on the wall, the bubble will burst soon enough, they watch all the carpetbaggers, mercenaries flit of to China, Germany, France etc....

England need alot more than a new Manager - they need a new Football Association or directive in regards to International Football

I was spitting feathers last night not simply at the game England played - as they just were not good enough , didn't communicate , and didn't have the imagination.

What made me angry me was the reaction of Joe Hart to the comments of Gabby Logan in an interview  - it came across as if " who the hell are you saying that we didn't want it enough "

It wasnt the point of her being right or wrong in her comments - it was the high horse reaction of an England player who came across as if she or anyone didn't deserve the opportunity to question the performance.

The English mentality is that they are the "best" and "deserve" to win games - and im afraid that is their downfall.

You even get it in the attitudes of the tv pundits - there they are slagging the team live on the BBC and just keep repeating themselves every tournament - its a mental approach problem of the English football establishment and its widespread.

England , in reference to International Football , is a long way down the list in regards to importance to the FA -  and the English football fans and the public just need to realise that and do something about it.

I've said it once before and i'll say it again - the premiership , and fixtures of these top uk clubs,  is so intense that it has to to be adding to the problem with regards to the development and approach to football of the English born players.

Its actually so bad that i think the only way of an English side doing well at a tournament is that the FA needs to pour millions into an English side - i mean players only playing for England and no other club. This may sound crazy to some but im afraid is ha sto be the only way - have players playing for england and that it - it would benefit english football anyway in regards to academies - and when they have done their national service they they can move on to private clubs.

That would sort out everything in my opinion - no pressure , no bullshit , just players playing for England who know each others games inside out and which would put in better TEAM performances

Thinking Wayne Rooney is Andrea Pirlo.
Thinking Joe Hart is Gianluigi Buffon.
Thinking Jack Wilshere is Lionel Messi.

And picking them in the squad.

^ three big club players!

I've seen Germany play 4 times in the flesh at tournaments since 2006  including the Ukraine game a couple of weeks ago

They played exactly the same system in every game - they were like a well oiled machine. Not spectacular but every player knew what they were meant to be doing and they kept doing it with minimal mistakes until the opposition simply could not contain them any longer.

They did the basics very well, man in possession always had options and they never lost their shape

England are simply light years away from that level

Will someone Tell Didi Hamman this has been going on for 50 years.Nothing to do with the Premier League.
This was going on when the Premier League(Division 1)was winning European Cup year in year out in 70s 80s.

Very poor players thinking they are better taking a lot of players who had injuries all season and who feckin knows what they were playing because it wasn't feckin football

when the best youth development team in the premier league (Southampton) play the 2nd best player in world football at left back, you know english youth coaches haven't a clue

Thank you Arnason, i rest my case.

Jun 29, 2016 -- 12:57AM, Racingqueen wrote:

when the best youth development team in the premier league (Southampton) play the 2nd best player in world football at left back, you know english youth coaches haven't a clue

in a nutshell...perfect example of FA coahing

Just watch how English/UK players move or don,t move,they are planks,there is no fluidity,we struggle to control the ball we cannot control/pass while moving,when you see England with Dier/Milner at the heart of the mid-field you know they are going to struggle big time,Rooney has been at the top too long he has gone at the game and has too many outside interests,the future for England has to be Rashford and his like.Delli Alli a huge dis-appointment.

I mean Cahil-Wiltshire ffs.....There is a right pair of **** for a start.

Bobby Charlton was asked how he thought the England team of '66 would have fared against Iceland. " I think we'd have won 1-0 " he replied. "Only 1-0?" Said the reporter. "Yes," said Bobby. "Most of us are in our 70's now!"

Just not good enough simple

In a nutshell, I blame England's astonishingly useless manager and the people who appointed him. Do the players want it enough ? I think so. Are the players good enough ? I think they're good enough to be one of the teams who would have a realistic chance of wining a Euro or World Cup (given the sort of luck that winners often need with draw, refs, injuries etc) PROVIDED they have a seriously good manager.
What does a seriously good manager look like ? Conte now, Bilic now, Mourinho of a few years ago. Or Jack Charlton circa 1986. Jack's absolute belief in what he was doing and his refusal to put up with even one syllable of b---t from the media went a long way towards turning Ireland from a team who couldn't qualify to a team who did (3 times on his watch).
It's not true to say that England have always been rubbish since 1966. They reached a very low point on Monday because of terrible management, but at times in the past they have performed well and gone close. Beaten on pens by eventual winners in semis in 1990 and 1996. Nothing hapless or hopeless about that. And there have been other decent efforts (and some rubbish too). Best man for the job now ? I'm a long way from having my finger on the pulse, but I think Glenn Hoddle might be worth another whirl. No, I can't really square off the Eileen Drewery and reincarnation stuff, but it was nearly 20 years ago, and the man we see on tv now is very intelligent and articulate,and he knows the game inside out.

The prem is the richest league in the world. Its paying astronomical wages for mediocre players and unless/until they introduce a salary cap across all teams, this sh1t will continue. Financially obese players with no impetus or desire to be successful doesnt make for a competetive national team.

Hoddle? Just after Iceland equalised Hoddle criticized them for "playing 1980's football".... they'd just scored ffs and he's finding fault. Obviously modern teams are only allowed to score modern goals... whatever they are.

why do we always take and play players who aren't in form
Drinkwater was on a high and playing well yet we take players not match fit like wiltshire and henderson
Got a lot of time for harry kane but why play him when he was obviously going through a bad spell like all strikers do is just ridiculous. Compound that by giving him the free kicks. The way he lined up for that one in the second half like Ronaldo does was a national embarrassment
We take a load of strikers and then play 4-3-3 with sturridge and vardy out wide - clueless - he might as well have took Townsend

One player sums up the english game for me is Kyle Walker - how could people rave about his performances

Typical of the english game to turn an athlete into a footballer - most other nations try it the other way around. Perhaps that is what the premier league has created
I'm sure we could take him to Rio to be part of our 4 by 400m squad and he wouldn't let us down
Despite his athletic prowess he is poor on the ball and an even worse defender - just never looks comfortable on the ball which you can tell by the way his passing his forced.

We need to settle on a system of play and remember your best eleven players are not always your best team and not be afraid to dent a few egos. When your at a tournament remember its not league football you might just need an impact player off the bench when teams are sitting back


Bilic for manager for me but doubt hed come

We need the FA to wake up and realise they are not equipped to run the national team and be prepared to appoint someone who might want to shake the whole thing up.  Brian Clough, easily the best manager of his time, didn't get the gig because they were scared of him.  Harry Redknapp ditto.  They only want men they can dictate to, that's why Capello left.  Martin Glenn, CEO of FA admits he's 'not a football man' for Christ's sake.  Last two jobs - running United Biscuits and Walkers Crisps.  No wonder he described us as 'brittle', the only thing he would know.

Let's get real football men at the helm to make the tough decisions.  Sir Alex would be a great leader and with one or two of his chosen men at the top we could have an organisation to get the best out of, what I believe, is still a talented pool of players.  Trouble is we are run by men in suits, who have no regard or knowledge of the game, but are happy to maintain the status quo in order to pick up a big fat wedge of money regardless of what happens where it matters.

The mantra Football Is Coming Home couldn't be further from the truth when people such as **** and Glenn are 'the home'.

Good managers, and I mean really good ones, would not want to touch this cesspit without overall control of everything that goes on in order to give them a fair chance.  Sadly this is very unlikely to happen because of the structure of the FA and their inability to accept they are less important than the people who understand and can manage the game.

Time for another set of bureacrats to take a running jump IMO.

Censored **** is a Dutch dam, or lesbian term.

Dyké

£30 million for benteke and you wonder where it's all gone wrong in england.

you could have picked an english team from the championship and it could have reached the semis at least here.

I think there's only four English managers in the PL next season and The Evening Standard suggesting Mr Wenger could be the next man ?  I'm still fuming from Monday nights disaster.

I think we need a few more wake up calls before the FA gets the finger out of their @rse, not qualifying for the WC 2018 would be a start.