Next Sunderland manager

Dick Advocaat ?

fergie

I thought she resided in the USA.

Clearly a bf meeting going on to decide the market rules...

they will be consulting with wrinkly

Probably sacked him off for all the trouble donny

Would've been nice if Betfair recognized the situation and altered their standard rules for this market.  Not exactly bettor friendly with the 10 game rule in effect and 9 games remaining.

Sounds great to me

Ally McCoist seen eating at Greggs at Sunderland airport

Curious given it was demolished to make way for Nissan

Only a fool would rule out "Wearside Jack" at this stage

Steve Kean

I would hazard a guess if Derby don't get promoted, they might go for a Steve McClaren, won a league title in Holland, trophy with Boro, league positions 12-11-11-7-14, knows the North East, international manager, coach with treble winning 99 side

heavily backed in the market Carver won

Paul Clement(Real Madrid assistant manager) was sounded out weeks ago by the board to take over in the summer, unlikely he will take over at this stage of the season though.

Can't believe Tim Sherwood ain't favourite!

les read is avaiable

Advocaat here at Betfair is trading far too low.  Guessing they'll be quite a few who don't bother reading the rules.  9 games left in the season and he will unlikely see the 10th next season.  Unless the wording of the official statement from SAFC somehow excludes temporary/caretaker/interim/"until the end of the season" there is little hope for backers. 

Apparently a journo talked to him tonight and he confirmed he will take the job for the rest of the season and then very likely retire.

Harangi is spot on, appointment is only going to be till end of season.......9 games left.

Ellis Short wants a longer term manager in place and Advocaat is too old for that role.

advocaat "never been relegated in his 27 yr career "

  ... tempting fate methinks.

Can't believe how low he traded last night, can never underestimate the level of stupidity out there.  Of course I guess I was stupid to lay at 1.50 when it later fell to comical levels.

Even now unsure why there's an appetite to back sub 3's, not sure if this more dumb money or legitimate belief he will be in charge next season.  All the reports suggest he is not the club's long term candidate and a handful of other names are given as targets.  Sure I suppose there's a chance if he does well sentiment shifts in his favor and the club may change their mind.  But as of this moment we don't even know if Advocaat wants a longer stay, it could be a total non-runner.

He might not stay if Poyet has left one of his famous leaving presents in the dressing room

As I said yesterday our number one target is Paul Clement...............the Sunderland Echo are now reporting this today..........maybe they read this thread.

As Horangi said, the stupidity of people never fails to amaze you, there is zero chance whatsoever of Advocaat been here next season, whether we stay up or not.

he's 67, he can't be long term. He will recommend his Dutch pal Jol.

Sun reported just over a month ago a sounding out of Clement for next season, as you say local paper now suggesting he's at the top of the list.  Makes sense given the head coach role they want and his probable connection to the current DOF.  Got some money in the 20's on the man and will probably try to add more at what appears to be a decent price.

Allardyce name also popping up and at first thought dismissed it but I suppose he's a steady hand and will be free in the summer.  He'll probably want it although he doesn't really fit the head coach role.  McClaren is touted as the number one target by the lone voice of the Guardian but get the feeling from following the Newcastle manager market he is almost nailed on to move there, if anywhere.

Clement and Congerton our DOF are mates, they worked at Chelsea together and if we stop up I expect him to be appointed.

People next to remember we are not looking for a "manager", we are looking for a "head coach". Forget about the likes of Allardyce, he simply won't be appointed as long as Congerton is there.

poyets comments about wanting a return to the days of quinn and phillips
give a clue as to what was going on

its all well and good having a dof and a head coach, but you still need a manager of sorts

some of these owners in the north east are clueless

Some ?????

Looks like the Chairman is looking for Championship football, by appointing a bloke thats 67 years old and hasn't a clue about Premier League football

I'm sure he has watched a few premier league games and knows what to expect.

tenpins as always an insightful post...

May as well appoint my dad as he watches a few games on TV but he has the advantage of wearing a red and white striped shirt..

Does not support Sunderland as well..(supports a team formed far earlier with an honours board that is so large that they would have to take the windows out at the "Stadium Of Light" to fit it in)...

WHERE DO THEY GET THEM FROM....

In all of this joviality may I ask as a football person...

Who the feck is Lee Congleton and with his track record why is he still in employment..

Just a thought....

Those North Eastern teams deserve all that they get..

The fans should go down on one knee every lunchtime when they get up and thank the Lord that some mug has pumped millions into each club.

Instead what do they do - they bite the hand that feeds them..

Do they sign on every Month and boo the Civil Servant that hands over a cheque..

Probably....

Mar 17, 2015 -- 9:12PM, homefortea wrote:

tenpins as always an insightful post...May as well appoint my dad as he watches a few games on TV but he has the advantage of wearing a red and white striped shirt..Does not support Sunderland as well..(supports a team formed far earlier with an honours board that is so large that they would have to take the windows out at the "Stadium Of Light" to fit it in)...WHERE DO THEY GET THEM FROM....

Mar 17, 2015 -- 8:24PM, treetop wrote:

Some ?????

You can probably count of the fingers of one hand, Boro fans who are unhappy with Gibson.

was that the case when robson was managing them , or southgate ?

i wasnt inclding gibson anyway, he seems like a good egg

Gibson ain't perfect. But he certainly ain't clueless either. Though your second post sort of backs that up anyway.

As for Robson (got them promoted to Premier League) and Southgate (accepts he should have given him longer).

is a lay of advocaat at 2,50 free money , or a booby trap ????
to me it looks like free money

Looks like free money. All the free money was presumably yesterday afternoon/last night and heavy odds on.

On the flip side, were he to win all nine he'd be heavy favourite to keep it. And secondly he'd only need one more league match to complete the 10 fixtures - would a theoretical relegation play-off count as a league match were they to tie for 17th/18th position too? Last bit clearly far out, but certainly not impossible.

stays on as manager to ease in new head coach next season , ....

lots of pit falls to stop free money, but it dors look fairly free

does

Dutch journo who spoke with Advocaat yesterday claims Advocaat said he will only be at Sunderland for the rest of the season.  Goes on to bring up the point his wife isn't too keen continuing to accommodate his football exploits away from home.  Despite the admission from Advocaat he will not continue the journo does go on to guess at best a 10-20% chance he'll continue (assumes he'll avoid the drop). 

Can listen to it here;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02kv4z7

1:13:42 is where the question is asked to the journo if Advocaat would take it on permanently.

Mar 17, 2015 -- 11:32PM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

Looks like free money. All the free money was presumably yesterday afternoon/last night and heavy odds on.On the flip side, were he to win all nine he'd be heavy favourite to keep it. And secondly he'd only need one more league match to complete the 10 fixtures - would a theoretical relegation play-off count as a league match were they to tie for 17th/18th position too? Last bit clearly far out, but certainly not impossible.

'Were he to win all nine

Found a quote from Advocaat.  Run thru a online translation reads;

On NOS stresses Advocate that he only instigate this season at Sunderland. Then the coach back to the Netherlands. "It is a short-term project. 9 Matches in 2 months. no more and no less."

lee clark 200/1

who gets these added, this isnt piddy poor

ffs

a far as I can see they've only replaced one d ick with another

Good one mr crisp

looks like free money but tied up for a while; suppose the saying patience is a virtue comes into play

If he does well he might find it hard to turn down a contract in the summer.
He is here to fight relegation so won't be looking further ahead at the minute.

And Lee Congleton friend of the stars will still be at the Club...

Lee who and how do those nomarks get such jobs..

It seems well planned,we always change our manager so they can start with a  confidence boosting victory against the magpies don't we ?

Then it goes downhill treetop

Steve McClaren......


Is he a friend of Lee Congleton...

Feck me that loser should have been pensioned off years ago.....

wtf is Lee Congerton anyway

Sporting Director at Sunderland.
Whatever than means.

what are his credentials though

i mean if Guardiola went there for an interview would they be seeking assuarnces he could get on with Congleton

Worked under Frank Arnesen at Chelsea, followed him to Hamburg.
Probably one of the many bluff merchants working in the game.

ah , another Commoli type maybe

Congerton is probably the eyes and ears for Ellis Short, someone who speaks english and one he can trust after de Fanti's  investment performance.

director of football must the softest job in the game. buy a lot of players the manager doesn't want and then tell the chairman it's all the manager's fault when they don't work out before moving on to another disaster

Sending mixed signals.  Who knows what the clubs plans are.


But if Advocaat achieves his aim of keeping Sunderland in the top flight, then he says he would consider a longer stay.
The 67-year-old is yet to hold his opening press conference as Sunderland head coach, but he has spoken to the Dutch press.
“I’ve heard and read the reports that they are already looking for a younger trainer,” said Advocaat.
“At the moment, I’m only here for two months.
“But, in principle, yes (he’d be interested).

Was it Congerton who was responsible for signing washed up Defoe for 3.5 years @ 80k a week ?

Anyone noticed the new market name for next Sunderland and QPR managers?!

Poyet was raving about Defoe and claimed his friendship at Spurs helped the deal.Most fans agree with the signing but Gus changed the formation around so many times nobody knew who was where.

DB guessing there were some massive seething directed to Betfair and they felt they at least had to help out the blind.

Probably. But can't believe it's taken until now Horangi. Been plenty of mistakes made with these markets - Benitez was backed to 1.01 (or therabouts) upon initial appointment only to drift right back out again.

not good for free money

At the end of the day Betfair needed to sort it out, customers will leave if they feel they've been hard done (whether right or wrong).  With only 9 games to go and their standard 10 game rule in effect they should've brought out the note from the get go.  Pretty obvious where it was headed especially as a short term (potential anyways) manager was being reported.

Be nice of Betfair if they loaded up some more manager markets.  Newcastle and West Ham surely will bring in new men.

defoe was a ludicrous signing especially for that sort of money and on a long contract

he hasn't played regularly in the prem for years and years

the mixed messages from advocaat seem perfect for the market

a newcastle market would be great, if only to let us know who
will be managing next season

west ham too, .....

Man City

Yeah Pellegrini unlikely to survive as well, that's three obvious ones.  Don't know what holds BF back from loading them up, emailed a couple times and they just don't seem to want to bother.

how long is Defoe's contract ? , assumed would be 2 years max

Sunderland confirm Jermain Defoe signing on three-and-a-half-year deal

can see how thats gonna play out next January  (if not August) : linked with however many sides on deadline day , but they don't wanna chip in for his wages.....

Toronto started it with a really absurd contract...which still didn't stop him from forcing a move away when he didn't like it there.  Was able to capitilize on SAFC's desperation and now the beat goes on.

altidore still had 2 years left, so the deal cant have been that expensive, and altidores sale
will look good on financial fair play  sheet,

West Ham game will likely end hopes of Advocaat getting job.  Sunderland struggling with injuries, only hope they have is the restrictions seem to have been lifted on Adam Johnson playing, whether he does play is another thing.

Even if Advocaat keeps them up and wants the job I don't think they'll give it to him.  This is team with great turnover at the manager/coach position and hiring a 67 year old with his cv wouldn't make any sense.  His last position with Serbia he resigned after a handful of matches, no way he is the long term answer.

west ham on holiday stand by, sam likely gone, might
be good chance as sunderland can raise game

west ham one win last 12 in league

Mar 17, 2015 -- 11:45PM, donny osmond wrote:

stays on as manager to ease in new head coach next season , ....lots of pit falls to stop free money, but it dors look fairly free

Free money layers, got a bit of a 'Dicky' tummy until Thursday....