stevie gee an all time great

Jan 2, 2015 -- 12:49PM, _ghostbuster_ wrote:

I thought to be a "legend" you had to be fcuking your brothers wife(for years) and dispose of the kid when you get her preggers !!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny how the creator of this thread seems to forget about this, he must be very old to keep forgetting things and have no morals

Great player.

The Special One ...The Mancs don't talk about this because its IN~DEFENCABLE

Incest must be acceptable around M16 0RA

one of liverpool's greatest ever no doubt but seriously underwhelming for england when it really mattered

Jan 2, 2015 -- 5:04PM, mafeking wrote:

one of liverpool's greatest ever no doubt but seriously underwhelming for england when it really mattered

I know it has been a while but I think their greatest players were in the 80's and 90's. He has been the best of a bad bunch is how I'd describe him.

All time great not sure about that I see he did not make many of the all time prem teams he has been a good player but when you compare him to Keane and Vieira they are just a level above

not many modern players if any have ever excelled for england

too many chiefs and not enuff injuns in english team

and they fought over who wore the head dress



scotch managers winding them up at club level so
they think engerland doesnt matter

Gerrard has been a good player , some may say very good , but he was never GREAT .

Great players do it against the best clubs regularly and that is something that he couldn't do . A lot of times he went missing .

Can understand the OP having such admiration for him, and why not.

No other England player apart from Teddy Sheringham, had the ability to turn a European Cup final comletely on it`s head.

Gerrards second half performance that night was exceptional.

Undeniably an all time great, carried Liverpool for many years and would probably be in their top 2-3 greatest ever players.

Might not have won a league medal but won everything else and is the only player to score in the final of the champions league, UEFA Cup, FA cup and league cup.

Obviously time has caught up with him and he's declined in recent years but for a good few years (especially 2004-2009) he was one of the worlds best.

Turn it in biscuit ffs.

when you compare him to Keane and Vieira they are just a level above

They generally played in better sides & with better players. Do you think either of them would have been as influential as Gerrard had they been in his position at Liverpool. I'm pretty sure Stevie would have been a big success at somewhere like United & Arsenal during the 90's & beyond.

Please tell me a GREAT that has NEVER done it at international level ??

Please don't bore me with George Best

Jan 2, 2015 -- 6:51PM, jed.davison wrote:

Turn it in biscuit ffs.

An excellent well thought out reply.

What don't you agree with? The fact he'll go down as one of Liverpool's all time greats, him scoring in those finals or that he was one of the worlds best for a number of years? I can't see how you can argue any of those points

I can recall him having great matches against the following off the top of my head: Man united, Everton, Arsenal Chelsea , Ac Milan ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, but according to experts such as Zealot he went missing in big games. .. Right

Good player. Defo not great. Even Beckham who comes into the same category outshone him in medals and teams played for

Wouldn't get in my Prem XI never mind my all-time XI

ccmac

Beckhams bigest test was the final v Bayern when utd were hopelessly outclassed until sheringham appeared.

Of course the media gave him MOTM for contributing to the two corners, despite Bayern owning him for 88 mins of that game.

Was not the only one that came up short, York and Cole were scoring for fun in the prem but this game was big for them too, giggs and scholes have the best pro record in the prem, but were also finding nothing on that night, then Ted arrived.

Only class players are capable of turning a game as Gerrard and Sheri did.

Clough I never said Beckham was world class quite the opposite. Beckham has more winning medals in his cabinet times ten. Won everything in England. Gerrard on the other hand. .....,

Also played for real Madrid. His cV rapes gerrards

giggs and scholes have the best pro record in the prem, but were also finding nothing on that night, then Ted arrived.

Given the fact that Scholes didn't play that night one could argue you are being a bit harsh on him.

When I think of the money Gerrard Beckham etc have earned compared to the truly great players of the other decades and compared to the working man it sickens me

He's on his way to FC Hollywood to show off his long ball passes.

In a minute someone's gonna tell me Bryan Robson was better than Gerrard  ...

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giggs and scholes have the best pro record in the prem, but were also finding nothing on that night, then Ted arrived.

Given the fact that Scholes didn't play that night one could argue you are being a bit harsh on him.

Jan 3, 2015 -- 1:51AM, ccmac1975 wrote:

Good player. Defo not great. Even Beckham who comes into the same category outshone him in medals and teams played for

How many medals do you think Beckham would have won had he come through Liverpool's youth system and played for them throughout his career?

Course not, alcohol induced poor memory

Gerrard never done it in world cups etc. If he was so good why didn't anyone from decent clubs tap him up? Oh give me the he didn't want to leave crap. Stayed and won not 1 premiership .Beckham at least went to real and also got in the team and won stuff. Not a fan of beckhan il state again he's not world class either

Scholes better than both

Jan 3, 2015 -- 12:28PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Jan  3, 2015 --  1:51AM, ccmac1975 wrote:Good player. Defo not great. Even Beckham who comes into the same category outshone him in medals and teams played forHow many medals do you think Beckham would have won had he come through Liverpool's youth system and played for them throughout his career?

Blew your own argument there. Yeah he looked good in an average team. Just like Beckham would to only beckhamake would be more ambitious to win stuff and leave other than settling for mediocrity. Both good none great.

Now not wasting any more time on this thread .I'm a busy man

"If he was so good why didn't anyone from decent clubs tap him up?"

Thought it was pretty common knowledge that he would've signed for Chelsea had him and his family not received threats.

For a few years he was one of the worlds top midfielders, any club would've wanted him

Yeah barca and real were battering the door down just like now they all want sterling

You can repeat ad nauseam your entirely bogus assertion that he was one of the world's top midfielders biscuit, but it will never be true.

He was a very good, perhaps at a stretch great, Premiership midfielder. The nature of English football made him look a good player, but when things were slowed down and brain was required, he was found wanting - over 100 times.

I'm definitely not in the "great" camp either, but he was better than Beckham FFS

In your dreams he was.

Not one of the worlds top midfielders? I suppose any average joe picks up these individual awards don't they.


Ballon d'Or Bronze Award: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
England Player of the Year Award: 2007, 2012
PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2014
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2012
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006


Besides if the premier league is considered one of the worlds top leagues and you admit he was a "very good, at a stretch great premiership midfielder" then surely that would make him one of the worlds top midfielders?

he was a very good player biscuit but not a great.

Shout as loud as you want mate, he wouldn't have been in the top ten midfielders in th world at any point in his career.

The fact that Sky bigged him up relentlessly and Liverpool fans shout louder than anyone else in the world does not mean anything to me. I judge with my own eyes, and my eyes tell me I have seen hundreds of better players than him in my life. Hundreds.

Funny, the last award you put up there - MOTM in the Cup final. This was the same cup final that Liverpool, with supposedly an all-time great midfielder in their midst, were losing to a Championship side until the last minute. One lucky strike later, the rest of the game is forgotten.

I would say Gerrard, however great or not so great you think he is, does hold one unique distinction. he is the only player I can remember who can be blamed almost entirely for his team not winning the League. One moment which changed the entire season, down to Gerrard. And please don't say they wouldn't have been in that position but for him, because Suarez put them in that position, as this season has proved.

Dukic a shocking oversight Jed.

one lucky strike

Were the Hammers in the Championship when they got to that Cup Final?

Jed. I rate you as one of the better posters on the forum as we know it today, but I think your account has been hacked, as you are spouting nothing but sh1te in this thread. You've always has a very anti Gerrard / anti Liverpool sentiment, which renders your opinions on this matter all but worthless.

Hundreds of better players

Remind me of that one woodshires....

As for the slip costing us the title, it's an argument normally reserved for complete half wits. I'm flabbergasted you are suggesting it.

Does that even matter solano? West Ham are a Championship club whichever division they happen to be playing in at the time.

And ccm, I have always been a realist when it comes to Gerrard, as I've said I could just about stretch to describing him as a great Premiership midfielder, but I can't go any further because that's all he has ever been. I admit to despising Liverpool Football Club as an institution, but they have had truly great players in the recent and distant past, I'm happy to admit that.

He missed the last minute penalty for Depor, in the last game of the season, which woulda given them the league title over Barca...They needed a win, game ended 0-0

You will know him, he bobs around managing La Liga teams, Valencia last season, Cordoba this season....he never smiles, now you know why.

Sorry old boy, I didn't have La Liga on my mind.

I've also always been a realist when it comes to Gerrard. I'm acutely aware of all the hyperbole, and his deficiencies.... But at his peak, when on song, he could do things most players couldn't. A colossus of a player. A genuine world class player.

He's been brilliant for you, no doubt about it, and I wouldn't expect a Liverpool fan to hold any other view.

As for him being world-class, his 100+ games for England nail that lie.

Does it matter?

Why emphasise it in your argument?

so which english players have been world class

I just can't have the England argument. Nearly every England player of the last twenty years has looked mostly terrible. For a whole host of reasons. It's irrelevant to the argument IMO. Gerard has performed against the worlds best in a club shirt, and there is loads of evidence in that dept to show how good he was.

I mentioned it. I don't like West Ham.

And gazo, in the last fifteen years there have been two - Rio Ferdinand and Ashley Cole. At their respective peaks, they were as good as anyone in the world in their position. I don't think that statement applies to Gerrard.

Michael Owen in his one top season of pomp.....strugglin otherwise

Nearly every England player for the last twenty years has indeed looked mostly terrible, but nobody as far as I'm aware is making any of them out to be an all-time great.

you have just named two

That's why I said nearly...and why I said all-time great.

They were both world-class, neither were all-time greats.

Didn't Rio play for West Ham?

Would you say that Messi looks an all time great in an Argentinian shirt ? I wouldn't.

You know what mate I believe he did. But not when he was good, when he was young and prone to silly errors like a lot of young defenders.

I think Lampard is up there as an all time great as well, and he looked mostly terrible for England as well. Agree with Ashley Cole as well... One of the best left backs in the world for a sustained period of time.

England have always tried to shoe horn the eleven biggest names into a side to the complete detriment of everyone. Nothing any of our players have or haven't done in an England shirt over the last few decades makes any difference to my assessment of them as players.

Well he got Argentina to the World Cup final last year, and he will play - hopefully - in another World Cup. But your broad point is true, he generally hasn't done what he can do in an Argentina shirt.

His club stats though, and his general level of genius, do make him an all-time great, I would hope you would concede that.

Anyway. The arrers is about to start... And what a night we have in store...

Catch you later chaps.

You could argue Lampard's case, no doubt. I do think however that he contributed massively to the England cause between 2003-2007, much more than Gerrard ever did.

As for the shoehorning argument, the real problem is that people were picked to play International football - to which they were entirely unsuited - on the strength of their performances in the Premier League, when the two are totally different tests of a footballer. And of course that England have been managed exclusively by idiots since Venables stepped down.

Yep, Happy New year CCM. Nice talking to you again. Maybe one day we will agree on something.

Yes I almost put that in my previous post. Practically two different games. Gerard was always more suited to the cut and thrust of the Prem, and only adds weight to my point about his international performances being largely irrelevant.

Yes of course I'm just highlighting that there's been many a player that have been better for club than country.Incidentlly Gerrard has had plenty of excellent games for England. They've failed as a team ....a tad unfair to blame him alone.

Happy New Year to you too mate. I sincerely hope not

I haven't blamed him alone, but the fact remains that he has played 100 times in the most important position in the team - the position around which the entire game develops - and he has simply not been good enough.

Now I too must away and watch the darts. Phil Taylor will not barrack himself you know.

He never lost until his 22 nd match so he can't of been all bad.A succession of poor coaches has been England downfall and still is in my opinion. Good luck.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2895430/Zinedine-Zidane-told-Real-Madrid-president-Florentino-Perez-sign-Steven-Gerrard-2004-Liverpool-captain-refused.html

Zidane feels that at his peak, Gerrard was the best player in the world. Yet here we are on a footie forum, & a couple of mugs trying to convince us that Stevie was not in the world-class bracket.

Yeah OK lads. Whatever you say.

In 2004, Gerrard would have been about the fifth or sixth best player in the Premiership at the very best. Vieira was at his best in that year and the couple of years around that time. It is absolutely preposterous to suggest that Gerrard was a better athlete, more skilful, more influential and more anything than Vieira was at this time. Vieira had also contributed significantly to the French Euro 2000 victory. The only real debate was whether Vieira or Keane was the best player in Gerrard's part of the team. Henry and Pires, the maestri of the Invincible Arsenal team, were absolutely at their best in 2004 

Greatness comes in no more easily measured factor than achievement. In 2004, when you claim that Gerrard was the best player in the world, while he was running around like Michael Brown on meth for Liverpool, Vieira Pires and Henry were doing the business on a much grander scale - an unbeaten top-flight season, the first in 116 years, in a beautiful style all of their own.

Gerrard also played like a prize lemon in Euro 2004. The back pass to Henry to give the French the equaliser when we're 1-0 up in the last minute was a great moment for the best player in the world at the time. In that tournament, even among his teammates, Gerrard was outshone by an 18-year-old.

So Zidane is wrong I'm afraid. However good he may have been.

Not sure that I should be posting here but I have to laugh at the alleged Arsenal "Invincibles"..

The original cheats and how we have suffered since with all the diving and breaking up of play..

That post from jed should be printed and sent around to every school child as an example of how not to play...

Disgusting team disgusting manager and even more disgusting supporters..

However what comes round has actually come around...

Should be a play off at the end of the season..Let us call it the Consolation Trophy for teams that will never win anything..

Liverpool V Arsenal....

homefortea, you sound like most of my dumbest tottenham mates with that nonsense.

that arsenal team was brilliant. If you can't appreciate them, you've no real interest in football at all.

As for diving, their 49-match (iirc) unbeaten run was ended by a blatant dive, ironically. Nobody cared though because they were just glad to see Judas get aggrieved at the injustice.

You're right about one thing though. Arsenal supporters are truly disgusting.

yeah let's forget the form he'd been in for 4 yrs and concentrate on the back pass against France.

shud of been f'kin jailed for that night club assault in southport

you or me would of been

he was never the same after that

then there was the under age cover up blox true/not true

DILLIGAF

You don't usually go to jail when you are found not guilty.

Equally, you don't usually get found not guilty of starting an all-off in a club when you've been caught on camera starting an all-off in a club.

So how did he get found not guilty?  Viera was an excellent player but scored under 50 goals in his whole career.i doubt he could of carried a team like Liverpool the way Gerrard has for 16yrs and had the same impact.

16 years? He carried them for a good few years for sure, but don't get carried away. He hasn't been carrying them for three seasons, if anything he's holding them back.

So by your reasoning, OJ Simpson was not guilty? And David Kelly probably killed himself.

So how did he get found not guilty?

I think thats what everyone asked when they read the reported evidence and saw the verdict .

Defo should have been done for that attack. Caught on camera bang to rights

Agreed he got aaway with it and then went on to captain England replacing inmy view the greatest centre back England ever had due to the FA judging JT guilty of an offence he was found not guilty of in a court of law. And then there was Rio banned for not giving a sample also to become captain of our country.

Iv always thought he was a good player just not a great player. Gerrard that is, are you a chelsea fan jess? England have missed terry since his departure

A good player, not great. Not a very nice person as witnessed by his attack on the DJ. Also a diving b'stard.

That's all.

And Ro forgot a drugs test

Rio

Stevie G has connections with the murkier/shadier people of Liverpool thanks to his delightful wife and her esteemed family. The charges against him were dropped - common knowledge that the Southport night club DJ was approached and 'advised' it wouldn't be in his best interests to press charges.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8162068.stm

Video footage there.

He claimed he felt he was about to be attacked and hence got away with it. Judge for yourselves. Justice for the rich and famous my arse!

We haven't heard the evidence. The jury did.

Watch the video footage and tell me it looked as if Gerard was about to be punched when he launched one.

@Jed,davison

It ain't just Zidane that held Stevie in such high esteem. Even Patrick Viera admitted that Gerrard was a better player than him.

http://xtra.liverpoolfc.com/listicles/totti-ferguson-suarez-kaka-henry-torres-owen-and-zidane-on-steven-gerrard-26-special-tributes

Read it & weep boys. You just carry on focusing with his off the field indiscretions. All a bit futile & desperate.

Fenny as feck win he thought he was actually thought he was winning a premiership medal last year then they fell to feckin pieces

Hes a new book coming out but rumours r it hasnt got a title

Jan 4, 2015 -- 5:18PM, The Bhoys wrote:

Hes a new book coming out but rumours r it hasnt got a title

Zinedine Zidane has hailed Paul Scholes as 'the complete footballer', and admitted that he regrets never having played alongside the evergreen Manchester United midfielder.

France legend Zidane revealed that Scholes ranked among the toughest opponents he had faced during his illustrious career and praised the 35-year old Englishman for still performing at the highest level.


ZIDANE & MARADONA  are on a different planet .


Please please don't put GERRARD in the same league as these titans ,


ALL TIME GREATS is a great expression and Gerrard does certainly NOT BELONG in there.

A good player no doubt but never had the bottle to go to a great team as he would have been fighting for a place..

MLS will suit him as he will be the big earner playing alongside kids that will be earning less than a Scouser on the dole with five kids..

The worst thing about that statement is that it is true.