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homefortea, you are a lightweight troll of limited intelligence. your posts are idiotic and often racist
i doubt that you have the capability to form an intelligent argument on any subject. certainly your response to my post on the 22nd was ridiculous. something about ginger frocks, shetland and an insult aimed at the disabled it really is a poor show. is that really all you've got? it's just so weak |
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Just love the UK..
The Scots can have a referendum and have a go at the English.Smash the windows of "no" supporters and accuse the "English Bankers" of ruining them. The BBC and English media bend over backwards to be fair to them in an election which they never had any hope of winning getting less than 38% per cent of all possible votes and I am being called a racist.... ![]() ![]() Nigel Farange is called a racist by the English press and the BBC and what is he doing that is anything different than the SNP apart from that he wants to keep the UK as one... |
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metaphor. In a World of "lightweight trolls" I am the Cassius Clay..
You are the Ken Buchanan..... |
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you're comparing a couple of eejits smashing windows to a whole nation being threatened by world banks, supermarket chiefs. business leaders and words of warning from heads of state around the world? are you an idiot? get a grip of yourself. that's like comparing an altercation in your local pub to WW11
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Metaphor..
You half-wits have a had a lucky escape.. Scotland would be more like Sherlock Holmes... Searching for clues in an ever changing World... |
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Have a had..
That will the be the stutter.. I pride my self on my grammar... |
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Yeah homefortea you keep on electing proven liars/failures/charlatans/paedos whilst having a go at 1.6mil of us that a least tried to change the corrupt system that passes as democracy,that is far far more than England has ever had an England that continues to moan and whinge yet can,t summon up the courage to do anything about it,we faced an all but impossible task with all of the state/meedja/ stacked against us yet almost pulled it off,the YES voters have a vision for a better fairer society for all a society that will have compassion/dreams we are far from done.Saorse Alba.
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Barney the YES vote amounted to slightly more than one third of the electorate.
We live in a democracy and the people have spoken, time to move on. |
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Calm down Barney.Nothing offends me more than a Celtic supporter that cannot use a comma or a full stop.
However I am not English and it for those who are to vote in proper people.. I am having enough trouble in debating with those in my own land... |
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homefortea you are easily offended "cannot use a comma" my oh my,akabula do you think it was democratic/fair wnen the "slant" on all of the issues was overwhelmingly in favour of the NO campaign,however if you are prepared to listen to and believe a clique of lying tired politicians who will lie and cheat again and again then it is your right and the right of those that voted no,we had a chance to come up with a new model something vibrant/colourful/something challenging a change to how we shape our lives for everyone in Scotland and elsewhere,if you do not have a dream/vision then you are in a dark place.
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The yes campaign was a lonely place to be by polling day, it felt like they were up against the whole world. It seemed like no one, absolutely no one, wanted Scotland to be independent. With all the scaremongering about the currency, the words of warning from heads of state, banks, supermarket bosses and the extreme media bias, it was basically a terror campaign orchestrated from Westminster. It's not surprising there was a big swing to no by polling day. All the undecided voted no - of course they voted no they just spent the previous 2 weeks being terrorised by the no campaign. If you're undecided you're not going to vote for major change after being told you will have no currency, no banks, no money, higher prices, hyper-inflation (there were even comparisons made with 1920's Germany). And the ultimate terror of all - being told we would be on our own with no EU or NATO membership. The terror campaign was very destructive and very effective.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but looking back, even in the short space of time since the event, you can see how naïve the yes campaign was. The yes camp were not ready or equipped to deal with the unrelenting onslaught of terror from the no campaign. In the end it was laughable...boys against men to be honest. |
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high_lander how could we possibly get our message of hope/vision/dreams across it just would not have made the news they stiffled anything resembling a positive argument,they glorified/eulogised 2 of the worst politicians ever 2 that has driven this country into an enormous amount of debt,2 that must have known about the level of paedophilia at the heart of the establishment,2 that lied their way thro government and continue to lie,2 that took us to war on a huge lie and cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives with more to come yet people went for it fcuking amazing,yet all the English that snipe at us go on returning them and their like with nary a whimper,the NO campaign don,t have a monopoly on "bottling" it.Long live the 45,s the dream goes on.
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Scotland didnt want to go to war either , NO voters dont complain when kids are sent to fight mad men with machetes in the desert
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if you believe this will just be air strikes then think again , mind you the daft feckers listened to gordon brown
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HOPE/VISIONS/DEAMS We can all use words like that but where was the evidence to back them up.
NO voters saved this country from Salmond and Sturgeon who wanted separation for all the wrong reasons, personal glory. There is also talk of food banks. Why haven't the SNP tackled them before now? Why didn't they use the tax raising powers they currently have to tackle them? And illegal wars? I think I'm safe in saying that Blairs labour were voted in by most of the YES campaigners three times. Time to get real and stop all this idealistic rhetoric. The people have spoken and only a third didn't favour THE UNION. BETTER TOGETHER. |
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And very slightly more for No akabula, NO voters have saved this country from Salmond/Sturgeon you surely are having a laugh,with both hands and feet tied they have made a decent fist of things yet the NO voters listened to two of the most culpable/lying/corrupt politicians of recent times Broonie/Darling that have driven the country into a debt that it is difficult to see being eradicated,Joanne Lamont of the NO/Labour side just about had it right that Scots are genetically programmed to NOT making decisions by themselves,the NO voters have again placed their trust in a clique of establishment figures that have covered up the paedophilia at the heart of the establishment,but change is coming and maybe quicker than you think,none other than the Financial Times saying as much,they cannot/will not keep to their promises and the NO voters will be left looking silly,again we had so many that have no confidence that are negative that have no visions no dreams no plan b just the same tired old politics from a tired old clique instead of voting for something new/bright/colourful/innovative yeah better to stay with the same old dreary tripe,what an outlook for our kids.
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No plan B? Salmond had no plan A for most things.
Everybody in the world wants to better themselves and make it better for future generations. Look at the progress e have made since even the 40s last century in THE UNION. How many people owned cars back then? How many people owned their own homes back then? How many families could go on holiday back then? There are opportunities for people to better themselves but unfortunately loads don't and would rather spend their cash on cigs and booze. |
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And btw two thirds didn't want separation otherwise they would have voted for it.
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And plan a/b/c from the established clique don't ever see any of that,do not address the corruption/paedophilia the lies,you trot out nothing but figs or stats nothing about building a far better fairer society,you say nothing about having confidence/strength of character to decide how you govern yourself or use any of your revenue rather than having someone else pat you on the head and tell you well well aren,t you doing very well,you haven,t mentioned that BT spend 1.4billion on soccer how much to Scotland very little or how about the new rail track about 80billion to help business/travel I didn,t see Scotland mentioned did you mind you as one of them said you can always join the train at Manchester mm! sounds ok to me,the national debt inspite of the 100billions of £s 1.43TRILLION that might be going towards all the cars/homes/holidays you mention,I see that oil has crept back into the reckoning 2 weeks ago it was running out it couldn,t raise a buck it wasn,t Scotlands oil,welllo and behold there are trillions of OUR watersne,r mind Westminster will use it wisely and for our benefit.Do you not have any pride in your nation.
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You don't need to be a separatist to have pride in Scotland, I just feel that we are better off in THE UNION.
So corruption/paedophilia/lies would all disappear simply because we became independent. How? Confidence/Strength of character? Yes, confidence in THE UNION to continue to benefit us and the strength of character to say so. BT spend 1.4 billion on football of which we see very little. How would independence change that? The 80 billion to help business. It earmarks where benefits could apply and will miss out large parts of the UK not just Scotland. We are responsible for part of the national debt so I fail to see your point there. Oil? Don't believe everything you read in the papers. Some oil reserves will remain too expensive to extract. And in our waters? It won't be, or at least the biggest part of it, if the Shetlands become independent. I presume you would support their cries for independence should they gather pace. Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland are BETTER TOGETHER. |
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Every country I have lived or worked in are immensely ptoud of their independence their ability come good or bad tomake their own decisions
no corruption/paedophilia would not dis-appear but it is not institutionalised as it is in the establishment confidence in others making the decisions for you? little in the way of condidence to move forward and stand on your own two feet Independence wouldn,t change that but explain the B part of BT does part of their revenue not come from Scotland? the 80billion "parts of the UK not just Scotland" don,t you mean parts of England so once more no mention of Scotland n a major project but that,s ok you are part of the grand plan. we are part of the 1.4trillion debt yet here we are an acknowledged country of vast wealth/resources. Oil will never run out FACT whether it remains the no1 provider of energy is for another day I do not read the papers I manage to glean my information from many different sources not any of them with an"agenda" one way or another. Shetland has a population of 23,000 never a country but out we come with what if they want to become a country is there a movement or has there been a movement for this?? might suit your point of view right enough. You must mean N Ireland surely the people of Eire would not bow could not be defeated and are very proud/confident no bowing or scraping no kow towing they have CHARACTER. |
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breadnbutter what a fcuking re-ply is that all you have to offer at least akabula has opinions.
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Making decisions for me? That will happen whether it's London or Edinburgh.
Ah but it will be Scots you say. We've had a fair few Scottish PMs in recent times and it hasn't done us any favours. You single out the rail project. Look at the cash the highlands and islands get to sustain the road and services infrastructures. You failed to answer my question on BT. Even if Scotland hadn't accepted our share of the debt we would soon have had our own as it was acknowledged we'd need debt to kick start independence. Shetland have been talking about independence since approx. the 1960s. As southern Ireland is foreign I was of course referring to the North. Since you mention the South were they proud , confident and full of character when they received their bailout from Europe? |
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people who never voted are now NO voters it seems
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Well if they had wanted independence they would have voted for it, stands to reason.
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if they didnt want it they would have said NO then
they might have been ill / disabled / working / sleeping / forgot etc |
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its 45% / 55% as the votes go not 2/3rds like the NO people want you to believe
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First Question What %age of the electorate voted for independence?
Answer About a third. Second question What %age of the electorate didn't vote for independence? Answer About two thirds. Looks spot on to me. ![]() |
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You need to remember what wee Nicola said, and I paraphrase, "If you don't get aff yer erse and vote then you are effectively voting NO to independence".
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First Question What %age of the electorate voted for independence?
Answer About a third. Second question What %age of the electorate didn't vote for independence? Answer About two thirds. Question three what % of the electorate voted NO? |
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If we do it going by question 3 then YES WINS
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fck wee nicola and fck the lot of em UKIP UKIP
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akabula you failed to answer the BT question,does Scotland contribute to their revenue answer yes lets say 10% then why doesn,t it receive ANY of the pay out,that,s another negative coming from you,and their is no cash for the west countries roads infrastructure none for Cumbria? more negatives for you,as for Shetland if they want to become a new "country" let them would they in this "new country" let Weatminster use their resources after independence I think not,as for our share of the debt it was explained quite clearly that we would accept our liabilities but in turn would accept our share of the assets,something Osbourne refused to talk about,yes we have had a few Scos PM,s who by and large like all the rest were rubbish,I wouldn,t base my argument on that if I had my way for Scotland I would do away with political parties and elect proven/respected in their particular fields and from all genders walks of life to govern the country,we are not much bigger than the likes of greater Birmingham/Manchester population wise,all decisions would be open and above board out there for the people to see to agree/dis-agree proper democracy if you like,it is after allour/our childrens futures we are talking about,this almost certainly can be achieved,the establishment is failed and corrupt/perverted "the timesthey are a changing" get aboard akabula join the sunshine express look at the clours rather than the grey and dismal we can and should change the landscape we can be an example to Europe/World we can show ordinary folks what can be gained,"dream the dream".
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see how many yes folk where up arthurs set dancing at the weekend , pure scottish troopers that that are
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that lot*
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The 45rs have "upset the establishments apple cart" not only here but Europe wide,c,mon akabula join the party enjoy yourself see the colour see the joy listen to the music I can guarantee you it will lift your spirit,no more dreich negative grey areas to dwell on.Saorse Alba.
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I hate to be pedantic but actually they are the 44.7ers. Not quite the same ring to it is there?
I can see the colours, they are the red white and blue of our Union flag. I can see the joy, it was on the faces of the 55.3% who voted to save THE UNION. I can hear the music, the disc has Caledonia on one side and Rule Britannia on the other. But, more importantly, I can do all three from the safety of THE UNION. |
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No point joining a lost cause now anyway
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