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he thought we played well.
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tbf to woy,he can`t come out on national tv and tell the truth can he,you wouldn't jepardise 3 million quid a year by saying to the country "well we are s**t,rooney is a fat arse,gerrard is a c**t,i only took lampard cos I like him and cahill and jagielka are the best of a bad bunch"
a poor deluded soul lost in the wilderness,even frank comes on 5 mins later and says it was pretty average
Based on his own expectations, we did play well. He's completely inept.
the poor performances were giving italy too much rope as has been proved they aint all that either and the general abysmal slow tempo of the first 2 games.
that was better today but completely pointless against a team that were already through
england should have won today, would that have changed anything ?
that was better today but completely pointless against a team that were already through
england should have won today, would that have changed anything ?
Only watched bits and pieces with the cricket and a race or two, but all Costa Rica needed to do was avoid red cards and injuries-and we still couldn't beat them. The top 6 South and Central American teams are a division above the Europeans apart maybe from Holland. Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, Argentina, Colombia and Chile-the finalists and winner are in there surely.
"england should have won today, would that have changed anything ?"
roy could have pretended they were just unlucky against italy and uruguay and everybody would have bought into it.
roy could have pretended they were just unlucky against italy and uruguay and everybody would have bought into it.
thats true sage
but the moaning should have been about the other 2 games which made this one irrelevant. say england took one of the chances (and they really should have!) and won the game, it still means nothing and everyone says CR are through anyway,
england winning this game meant nothing, the performance though better in terms of creating chances and pressing off the ball meant nothing too as CR already through couldn't be measured in same way as opening 2 games.
but the moaning should have been about the other 2 games which made this one irrelevant. say england took one of the chances (and they really should have!) and won the game, it still means nothing and everyone says CR are through anyway,
england winning this game meant nothing, the performance though better in terms of creating chances and pressing off the ball meant nothing too as CR already through couldn't be measured in same way as opening 2 games.
outpost i dont think we were unlucky in them first 2 games
i've said what i think of roy h
i just think the reaction after that game is more than the other 2 and i really don't get that.
i just think the reaction after that game is more than the other 2 and i really don't get that.
Robbie Savage is saying they were total shiite - and he's an arse 
and all the other pundits think we should have won the game
but that means jack too
but that means jack too
i'm just gutted that england were not more positive against italy in the opening game
sitting too deep and not enough of a press on the ball and too slow a tempo
said italy were not all that at the moment and that has been upheld
we made them look better and we let a 35 year old run the fecking game AGAIN
sitting too deep and not enough of a press on the ball and too slow a tempo
said italy were not all that at the moment and that has been upheld
we made them look better and we let a 35 year old run the fecking game AGAIN
I didn't watch it. I will never watch a England game with this man as manager..is he a good tactician? No, is he a good motivator of men ? No , Is he charismatic ?. Does he have a good record ? Is there a **** plan ??? What are this fools credentials ??
overpaid, oversexed and over here by tomorrow morning.
Jun 24, 2014 -- 8:37PM, hitmanhearn wrote:
I didn't watch it. I will never watch a England game with this man as manager..is he a good tactician? No, is he a good motivator of men ? No , Is he charismatic ?. Does he have a good record ? Is there a **** plan ??? What are this fools credentials ??
He doesn't have the players to be fair.. England are not good enough
i didnt watch it either btw. why on earth it was on main itv ahead of the big match is beyond me.
id be interested to see the viewing figures. no doubt most people watched england cos theyre too lazy to find where the other game was on.
id be interested to see the viewing figures. no doubt most people watched england cos theyre too lazy to find where the other game was on.
Tired of hearing that myself Milton. I don't think the players are as bad as he is making them look.
tbf to Woy, England normally set up like Iran at a tournament. If they did this time they may have sneaked through.
Woy bowed to the English media and played an open game, maybe to prove to their media that their players are not good enough to outplay sides.
feel a bit sorry for the man, as he obviously set out his team for the media and fans against his better judgement.
Woy bowed to the English media and played an open game, maybe to prove to their media that their players are not good enough to outplay sides.
feel a bit sorry for the man, as he obviously set out his team for the media and fans against his better judgement.
I think he is a genuine guy who has just been bowled over by the hype.. like succumbing to a nubile 25 year old with nice tits after a few beers
So he threw away a tournament to prove to the media that England should play defensively in 2016?
If he's afraid of the media, he shouldn't be manager - he's paid to make big decisions. If that means going against the media's views, so be it.
If he's afraid of the media, he shouldn't be manager - he's paid to make big decisions. If that means going against the media's views, so be it.
Woy is a complete and utter waste of time as a boss.
As soon as he was delighted LFC got 1 point against a relegated Birmingham I knew he was a wrong un'.......
As soon as he was delighted LFC got 1 point against a relegated Birmingham I knew he was a wrong un'.......
He was a safe pair of hands for the old farts at the FA..
I am absolutely SEEEEEEEETHING this guy is going to carry on. Absolutely no self awareness about himself whatsoever.
"Oh, well, you know, I think I will just carry on with no culpability about the way we played, drawing a MASSIVE WAGE"
SECOND highest paid manager at the tournament.
First time England have failed to qualify out of a World Cup group. EVER.
BOTTOM of the group. FIRST time ever.
ONLY one point, Failed to score against COSTA RICA (Fair play to them though)
Del Bosque offered his resignation after the second game. He's a bloody WORLD CUP WINNER!!!! Man of Honour IMO.
Prandelli has just resigned. Got to EURO FINALS last time. Only just signed a 2 year deal before the World Cup. Man of Honour IMO.
But no, Hodgson is just going to carry on.
Thoughts?
"Oh, well, you know, I think I will just carry on with no culpability about the way we played, drawing a MASSIVE WAGE"
SECOND highest paid manager at the tournament.
First time England have failed to qualify out of a World Cup group. EVER.
BOTTOM of the group. FIRST time ever.
ONLY one point, Failed to score against COSTA RICA (Fair play to them though)
Del Bosque offered his resignation after the second game. He's a bloody WORLD CUP WINNER!!!! Man of Honour IMO.
Prandelli has just resigned. Got to EURO FINALS last time. Only just signed a 2 year deal before the World Cup. Man of Honour IMO.
But no, Hodgson is just going to carry on.
Thoughts?
Lovely pension for a doddering old fart. Will keep him in socks and sandals way past his grave.
Complete and utter waste of space. All he cares about is getting his £7 million for the next 2 years from his absurd employers to get England out of a qualifying group that they simply can't fail to do so, given Platini's expansion. He will then fail again at the finals, and come out with how unlucky we are.
What a disgrace the man is.
What a disgrace the man is.
He was entitled to be delighted, that was one one of his better results at the time.
No point talking about it for me. To see Lampard and Gerrard reunited in midfield for the last period, knowing Hodgson was gonna be in charge for another couple of years makes you wanna cry. If Hodgson was King, he wouldn't ever be able to step foot in England again after such an ignominious campaign. He'd be dropped off, exiled, at the Azores on the way home.
No point talking about it for me. To see Lampard and Gerrard reunited in midfield for the last period, knowing Hodgson was gonna be in charge for another couple of years makes you wanna cry. If Hodgson was King, he wouldn't ever be able to step foot in England again after such an ignominious campaign. He'd be dropped off, exiled, at the Azores on the way home.
And make no mistake, I imagine Hodgson will seek to build his team around Gerrard again. Makes me want to cry.
i dont think he set up the way the media wanted
he played rooney on the left with baines and they were exposed time after time against italy, a shame we didn't pay the full price for that, a decent italian time would have had 2 or 3 goals witht hat set up in the first half.
pirlo was ruling the show AGAIN whilst our energetic pressing midfielder was sat deep doing jack, something he only did against us, and people were telling me its cos he's so hard to stop, well he isn't if the team presses as a unit properly and thats been shown quite clearly.
the thing i cannot accept is the poor pressing as a team and players not playing as a team in possession enough (ie pass and move), ultimately the manager has to be responsible if his players are not on the pitch set up to do even the basics.
you can rant on and on about the ability of the players
costa rica topped our group and plenty of other teams not full of world class players have shown more because on the pitch they show great effort and a unity on and off the ball, they do the basics right and give 100% effort playing as a TEAM.
we looked too lethargic in the games that mattered and some of the tactics
he played rooney on the left with baines and they were exposed time after time against italy, a shame we didn't pay the full price for that, a decent italian time would have had 2 or 3 goals witht hat set up in the first half.
pirlo was ruling the show AGAIN whilst our energetic pressing midfielder was sat deep doing jack, something he only did against us, and people were telling me its cos he's so hard to stop, well he isn't if the team presses as a unit properly and thats been shown quite clearly.
the thing i cannot accept is the poor pressing as a team and players not playing as a team in possession enough (ie pass and move), ultimately the manager has to be responsible if his players are not on the pitch set up to do even the basics.
you can rant on and on about the ability of the players
costa rica topped our group and plenty of other teams not full of world class players have shown more because on the pitch they show great effort and a unity on and off the ball, they do the basics right and give 100% effort playing as a TEAM.
we looked too lethargic in the games that mattered and some of the tactics
this obsession with gerrard is absolutely ridiculous, it's time to move forward, he does not have the impact in international games and does not have the energy needed.
The first 15 minutes of the 2nd half against Uruguay showed up Hodgson. Not tactically aware, and couldn't motivate the players to give a big push in a game they needed to win.
IT COMES TO SOMETHING WHEN I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR ENGLISH FANS BUT YOU LOOK AT HODGSON ON THE TOUCHLINE, HE LOOKS ABSOLUTELY PETRIFIED, A COMPLETE PANIC MERCHANT, DON'T GET ME WRONG THE PLAYERS ARE PIISH BAR A COUPLE BUT HE CAN HARDLY BE THE INSPIRATION THE PLAYERS WOULD HOPE FOR.
Woy won the uefa cup with Inter.
how many english managers have won a european trophy in the last 20 years?
how many english managers have won a european trophy in the last 20 years?
Geesyerdosh 24 Jun 14 21:06
IT COMES TO SOMETHING WHEN I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR ENGLISH FANS BUT YOU LOOK AT HODGSON ON THE TOUCHLINE, HE LOOKS ABSOLUTELY PETRIFIED, A COMPLETE PANIC MERCHANT, DON'T GET ME WRONG THE PLAYERS ARE PIISH BAR A COUPLE BUT HE CAN HARDLY BE THE INSPIRATION THE PLAYERS WOULD HOPE FOR.
he looked like that at liverpool for 5 months too
IT COMES TO SOMETHING WHEN I ACTUALLY FEEL SORRY FOR ENGLISH FANS BUT YOU LOOK AT HODGSON ON THE TOUCHLINE, HE LOOKS ABSOLUTELY PETRIFIED, A COMPLETE PANIC MERCHANT, DON'T GET ME WRONG THE PLAYERS ARE PIISH BAR A COUPLE BUT HE CAN HARDLY BE THE INSPIRATION THE PLAYERS WOULD HOPE FOR.
he looked like that at liverpool for 5 months too
fcuking tony pulis would get more out of these players 
Not particularly wishing to join in the trashing of Hodgson (not a fan but our problems run deeper than which two he picks in central midfield).
However, I found his post match interview infuriating. The only thing worse than watching a tepid performance such as that, is for it to be followed by a patronising assessment from the manager claiming it was a good performance when we all watched it and know it wasn't. He's not the first to do it but I wish he'd just admit it wasn't good enough.
However, I found his post match interview infuriating. The only thing worse than watching a tepid performance such as that, is for it to be followed by a patronising assessment from the manager claiming it was a good performance when we all watched it and know it wasn't. He's not the first to do it but I wish he'd just admit it wasn't good enough.
"how many english managers have won a european trophy in the last 20 years?"
How many English managers have had the chance to manage a team like Inter in the last 20 years?
How many English managers have had the chance to manage a team like Inter in the last 20 years?
Of course he's going to say that in the interview Berto - he's looking after the pay packet for the next 2 years. It can't go wrong - you could take a random forumite and it would be almost impossible for them not to get England out of the qualifying group. And after that they could hardly do worse than the woeful Hodgson.
Roy has introduced the phrase "those who understand football" into his interviews. Not a pleasing development.
the performance judged on effort, passing of the ball and chances created was better than the other 2 games
but its impossible to state this with any confidence as the opposition didn't need anything
this game could easily have finished 1 or 2-0 but the negative pts about the manager in the games that mattered would still have been the same.
a win in this game would have meant jack
i'm surprised that this performance is getting a bigger reaction than the other 2 games
i actually thought the talk of us being unlucky in them games wasn't completely right, the performances were not good on a number of things.
but its impossible to state this with any confidence as the opposition didn't need anything
this game could easily have finished 1 or 2-0 but the negative pts about the manager in the games that mattered would still have been the same.
a win in this game would have meant jack
i'm surprised that this performance is getting a bigger reaction than the other 2 games
i actually thought the talk of us being unlucky in them games wasn't completely right, the performances were not good on a number of things.
He doesn't have to talk himself out of a job java, but his praise for the performance was ridiculous. They're the kind if comments that should leave his boss wondering whether he's lost the plot rather than someone taking time to rebuild with modest resources.
the pressing off the ball was like chalk and cheese if you go back and watch the italy game in particular
your only as good as your players.
englands players are not good enough and have never been good enough.
they are shown up when they are taken away from a club environment where they are surrounded by technically gifted players.
Englands only chance at a tournament is to play like Greece and get lucky.
harsh facts but true imo, got to feel sorry for the young lad at Everton who will be the next great player who does not quite become that great player.
englands players are not good enough and have never been good enough.
they are shown up when they are taken away from a club environment where they are surrounded by technically gifted players.
Englands only chance at a tournament is to play like Greece and get lucky.
harsh facts but true imo, got to feel sorry for the young lad at Everton who will be the next great player who does not quite become that great player.
costa rica HAVE NOT got world class players
they are hard working and have played as a team
usa are not technically better players, they work hard and play as a team
plenty of teams here are not full of world class players it does not mean you accept you are going to bomb without seeing the required effort in the important games!
they are hard working and have played as a team
usa are not technically better players, they work hard and play as a team
plenty of teams here are not full of world class players it does not mean you accept you are going to bomb without seeing the required effort in the important games!
"Roy has introduced the phrase "those who understand football" into his interviews. Not a pleasing development. "
Indeed. Quite sickening.
Indeed. Quite sickening.
"your only as good as your players.
englands players are not good enough and have never been good enough."
True enough. But Costa Rica got 7 points, and few would argue that they have superior players to England or Italy. The Italian manager has quit. Hodgson will keep drawing his monstrous pay.
englands players are not good enough and have never been good enough."
True enough. But Costa Rica got 7 points, and few would argue that they have superior players to England or Italy. The Italian manager has quit. Hodgson will keep drawing his monstrous pay.
I can't believe sensible people think this its all down to the players. As Java rightly says, other countries doing much better than us have significantly worse players. You could make a decent argument for us being the worst team at the World Cup. There is no way we have the worst individuals.
Because previous Managers have also done badly as our national Manager, it's become the perceived wisdom that it must be the players.
Imagine someone like Brendan Rodgers getting hold of this team. I'm not saying it's ALL the Managers fault, as the whole structure of English football is flawed, but I think Hodgson should take the lions share of the blame for this World Cup.
Because previous Managers have also done badly as our national Manager, it's become the perceived wisdom that it must be the players.
Imagine someone like Brendan Rodgers getting hold of this team. I'm not saying it's ALL the Managers fault, as the whole structure of English football is flawed, but I think Hodgson should take the lions share of the blame for this World Cup.
It's his attitude that riles me. He doesn't take one iota of blame.
Does anyone even know what his plan is ? what system is he using? It's just a ****g mish mash.No cohesion,no fluidity. It's totally embarrassing .Oh sorry I forgot he treated the players like adults and there was a good team spirit 
give me strength ffs.
give me strength ffs.
If the Iranian league had all the money in the world and could attract some of the best players in the world then their players would look decent week in week out. English players are greatly overestimated. Your lucky if there are 2 or 3 of them in your top teams.
In all the time i have seen england play, i can count on one hand the players who were comfortable on the ball, Hoddle being the best, but if memory serves he was lambasted as being a luxury player by your media.
Gazza was almost up with Maradona ability wise, maybe if he had snorted charlie instead of getting pissed he could have achieved greatness.
In all the time i have seen england play, i can count on one hand the players who were comfortable on the ball, Hoddle being the best, but if memory serves he was lambasted as being a luxury player by your media.
Gazza was almost up with Maradona ability wise, maybe if he had snorted charlie instead of getting pissed he could have achieved greatness.
Are you suggesting that England's average player is no better than Iran's average player?
Java,
based on Iran's performance against the world cup winners
when they could have won the game
the answer would have to be Yes.
based on Iran's performance against the world cup winners
when they could have won the gamethe answer would have to be Yes.
I think it's ridiculous to say we don't have the players. We've beaten Spain and Brazil and drew in Brazil in recent times, put nine past Croatia in qualifiers. the issue is with the guy telling the players what to do, Hodgson.
said it a hundred times, put Mourinho or someone of that quality in charge and we would go close to winning a tournament. FA should ignore what the fans/media want, and just appoint someone short-term. if we paid Mourinho £2m to manage us for a month in Euro 2016 and we did well, nobody would care about his wage
said it a hundred times, put Mourinho or someone of that quality in charge and we would go close to winning a tournament. FA should ignore what the fans/media want, and just appoint someone short-term. if we paid Mourinho £2m to manage us for a month in Euro 2016 and we did well, nobody would care about his wage
well organised everyone behind the ball, playing on the counter imo
*aberdonia
but player for player iran vs argentina individually would of course be a complete mis match, sort of backs up what TEAM is as opposed to individuals.
but player for player iran vs argentina individually would of course be a complete mis match, sort of backs up what TEAM is as opposed to individuals.
"based on Iran's performance against the world cup winners when they could have won the game
the answer would have to be Yes. "
Unfortunately such a viewpoint would, in the minds of many, invalidate your views.
the answer would have to be Yes. "
Unfortunately such a viewpoint would, in the minds of many, invalidate your views.
Woy is without doubt the worst England manager in history. He's also a vile stuck up pompous old snob. All this he's a decent man is bllx he wouldn't p iss on the ordinary man if he was on fire.
The best we can hope for is the senile old **** Alzheimer's gets worse and he's farmed off to a care home so we are rid of his irritating post match blx
The best we can hope for is the senile old **** Alzheimer's gets worse and he's farmed off to a care home so we are rid of his irritating post match blx
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