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By:
the bairn
When: 29 Aug 14 20:19
big John Carew. cheers.
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 20:21
Unlike most of you so called jambos, tims and sheep worriers I support my team whereas you lot use your team basically as a vehicle to hate Rangers. Sad but indicative of the small mindedness, bitterness and bigotry that thrives in your midst.
If Rangers do go into administration then, as the club is the same club as it was when it was founded in 1872, we would suffer a 25 point penalty.
Whatever happens I will continue to support my team and will still proclaim WATP which seems to annoy more than a few on here. Laugh
By:
iamajambo
When: 29 Aug 14 20:43
akabula,

'bigotry',

That's something special from a The Rangers fan.

How many shares are you 'investing in,btw,if I may be as rude as to ask?

Whilst no expert,I'm fairly astute in matters of investment,so I would seriously advise you to give this 'opportunity' a major swerve.It will only end in tears,though,as we all know,it will never happen.

Admin coming soon.
By:
mactheknife
When: 29 Aug 14 20:47
Why dont the current board just fck off & hand over the reigns to someone else?
They have been a font of mis-information & lies since day one.
Admin 2 was never a possibility according to Wallace & co, and here we are again
What has happened to Dave King btw?
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 20:53
@IAM putting a line on in the bookies each week doesn't make you astute in matters of investment. Laugh
By:
the bairn
When: 29 Aug 14 20:55
speaking purely as a neutral, a question, can you name a professional football team who has been knocked out of the same tournament TWICE in a fortnight. cheers.
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 20:55
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 20:56
Any clues bairn? Laugh
By:
the bairn
When: 29 Aug 14 20:58
I think the players bless themselves a lot. but I don't think the virgin is in. cheers.
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 20:59
I see from your post IAM that you only query the bigotry. Can I take it then that you accept the small mindedness and the bitterness?
By:
Gerbs
When: 29 Aug 14 21:02
mactheknife

the board are  puppets

the real power behind them are milking Rangers and the fans for all they are worth

when there is nothing left to squeeze out of it they will  keep  the properties in RIFC and sell TRFC  fror a £1 to some real Rangers men who will have to rent ibrox from them
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 21:08
Almost agree with you there Gerbs until you got to the bit about having to rent Ibrox from them.
Because of a failure to complete some paperwork when Whyte was there Ibrox could not be sold/bought without going through the courts.
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 21:10
If admin 2 does come then it would allow us to free ourselves from some of the contracts that Green foisted on us.
By:
Gerbs
When: 29 Aug 14 21:15
it wont be bought or sold it will  be getting  rented out  by the current owners ,RIFC to whoever buys TRFC
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 21:19
You're scenario would only apply if liquidation followed and then the ownership of Ibrox would need to be confirmed via the courts.
By:
Gerbs
When: 29 Aug 14 21:28
it wouldnt  need liquidation for RIFC to sell off trfc which it wholly owns

if the keep the properties RIFC becomes a property company with 2 assets and no loss making football team to worry about
and the new TRFC owners get a football team for a £1 who have to rent ibrox

that seems to be the end game for the spivs and hedge funds who own the majority of the shares


if someone comes out the woodwork saying they own ibrox and can prove it,it will be them that collects the rent
By:
Gerbs
When: 29 Aug 14 21:31
only thing that could stop it is if King rides to the rescue and pays the spivs off

but he has said a few times he wouldnt be paying them off
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 21:44
That can't happen. Laugh
Nobody can sell anything other than the administrators.
You paint a bleak, but fortunately false, picture.
By:
Gerbs
When: 29 Aug 14 21:58
I never mentioned administration
By:
breadnbutter
When: 29 Aug 14 22:43
"the real power behind them are milking Rangers and the fans for all they are worth"

                               LaughLaughLaugh

A bet Hearts are charging more for a ST,s and tell me when and how they will issue shares ,what shape the company will take and how will the board be run ?

How are celtic doing with their 34m wage bill ......

why are Hibs floundering and possibly up for sale ....

How is the SPFL (formerly the busted flush spl) doing for a sponsor ....
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 22:50
Gerbs do you know who owns celtic park? I know.
Worry about your own team mate.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 29 Aug 14 22:53
State Aid update to follow Love
By:
Geesyerdosh
When: 29 Aug 14 23:07
For the twenty millionth time

NO ONE CARES. Nothing is going to happen. Zilch. Zero. Nada. That's just the way it is.
By:
akabula
When: 29 Aug 14 23:15
Gees who owns celtic park? Laugh
By:
Geesyerdosh
When: 29 Aug 14 23:22
Haven't a clue. Couldn't give a flying.

They can follow you're previous club as far as I care Grin
By:
liamcol
When: 29 Aug 14 23:26
There was a thread started on sevco media some time ago that Willie Haughey owned Celtic Park, for some reason ra berrs got all excited about this. (fk knows why)
Anyway, a short time later the thread got locked as it was absolute bollox, hope this helps.
By:
benalder_
When: 30 Aug 14 12:36
Looks like they are heading for the same fate as their predecessors LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Outpost
When: 30 Aug 14 12:58
it's amazing that their team is in freefall at the moment and yet they're still more worried about what's happening at rangers.
By:
macca18
When: 30 Aug 14 13:10
YNRA
By:
benalder_
When: 30 Aug 14 17:25
^^^^^^^
Reported, cheers.
By:
Geesyerdosh
When: 04 Sep 14 14:36
I see the rights to rename Ibrox were sold to Mike Ashley for ONE POUND. That's ONE POUND GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

Scottish Rugby got TWENTY MILLION for renaming Murrayfield Grin


The Poundland Stadium LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
iamajambo
When: 04 Sep 14 14:48
And is it just over a week to admin 2?
By:
akabula
When: 04 Sep 14 16:48
Paper talk to keep the haters happy maybe? What's the stadium currently called? Ibrox.
Why hasn't he renamed it? Must be a reason. Anyone got any idea why he wouldn't rename the stadium?
Sensible, if at all possible, replies please.
By:
Geesyerdosh
When: 04 Sep 14 18:14
How funny is it the Rangers fans thought "we'll get out of all this bother by just selling the naming rights, it'll always be Ibrox to us anyway"

Now hmmm....Confused how to spend the pound LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
akabula
When: 04 Sep 14 18:50
The story doesn't ring true though.
KJ says that Green sold the rights to Ashley for £1 then spent £250k in legal fees trying to get the contract voided.
That doesn't add up.

The share issue is covered btw so admin2, you'll be sorry to hear, has been avoided.
By:
Gerbs
When: 04 Sep 14 19:46
ashley has a 5 year contract for the naming rights ,which kicks in the first day he exercises that right ,looks like he has decided to not waste 3 years of it in the lower divisions when he can start from the first day Rangers are in the top division
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The share issue is covered btw so admin2, you'll be sorry to hear, has been avoided.


who has covered the share issue
no one has underwritten it according to RIFC satement to the stock exchange ?
By:
akabula
When: 04 Sep 14 19:50
Ashley wanted to but the SFA seemingly put a block on it for whatever reason but I've been told they have sufficient current share holders wanting to further invest.
By:
akabula
When: 04 Sep 14 19:53
Reading Lawwell's statement the other day cheered me up. Good to know he's on our side.
Maybe he'll lend us some of the many millions you lot think he has stashed away. Wink
By:
breadnbutter
When: 04 Sep 14 20:32
like the SNP,s proposed oil fund ,a total myth
By:
brac
When: 06 Sep 14 18:40
Oh deare Admin 1 or 2 on the horizon with the ring fencing of funds

good article in the Celtic Quick News explains how much is needed for a club to keep going even before player wages,unless a white or more apt a blue night comes over the horizon it aint looking good for Sevco




Warning from Blue Knights comes home to roost

06th    September    2014
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o Newco Rangers have £1.2m in the bank and the courts have just arrested £620k, leaving circa £600k available.  In early September.  Football clubs have their cash high water mark in June, after season ticket money arrives, with the low-point coming the month before, so is liquidation just around the corner?  Not necessarily.

The club has a couple of significant problems: it’s short of money and has significant monthly outgoings, but it also has assets, and may have buyers for those assets.

Murray Park is an outrageous folly and should be sold immediately.  Protests to secure it have been acts of self-harm; swallow your pride and sell.  This is a football club in acute danger, pretentions of grandeur, and Murray Park is exactly that, should be shed immediately.  Albion car park and the Edmiston House office building are superfluous property assets and could be sold without stopping football operations.

Mike Ashley has an asset Newco want back – stadium naming rights.  He could repatriate these rights as a sweetener in a deal to buy Murray Park, Albion and Edmiston.  Newco could leaseback the training ground, Sports Direct would be able to build a stonking big tracksuit shop on the Albion site and the club could boast to fans that they negotiated back Ibrox naming rights.

This might sound like a bitter pill but it will keep the lights on a little longer, makes irrefutable sense and is relatively painless.  The original Rangers existed for over a century without Murray Park, one of Scotland’s best run topflight football clubs’ Motherwell, train on a school sports field, Newco Rangers could do the same.  A little humility right now would be good for them.

There remains a problem: cumulatively, these assets are unlikely to be worth more than the £4m the club hope to raise in their proposed (not underwritten) share issue.  This is still not enough to see them through the season.  Expenditure for the last season accounts are available, 2012-13, averaged close to £3m per month.  The club will need close to £20m between now and season ticket renewal time.

Creditors must be paid or the club will go into administration.  To pay creditors, without sufficient income or credit, more assets must be sold, specifically Ibrox.

If they go into administration before selling Ibrox, don’t expect events to follow a similar path to the one Duff & Phelps took when administering Oldco Rangers.  Duff & Phelps were appointed by a liquidation specialist with a specific remit.  They even tried to sign a player.  Newco in administration would follow a more conventional route: redundancies would take place and assets would be sold to pay creditors.

Ibrox is the only significant asset administrators would have to sell.  It could generate enough to pay creditors in full and get the club through to the end of the season.  Finding a buyer would be the main challenge, but as we all now know, the club can stand or fall, but whoever controls Ibrox can continue to get a rental return from successor club.

An administrator could dismiss the manager and some other highly paid staff, reducing costs to a more manageable level, and pay ordinary creditors in full.

Newco Rangers need to finish in the top four to be in with a chance of promotion, which would be a challenge, but not an insurmountable one with the right manager in place.  They could be a top flight club next season.

This is not how fans wanted the Newco to progress but after they were unable to raise more than the £5.5m Charles Green’s consortium put on the table to buy Rangers assets, the future was mapped out.

Costs for police, insurance, electricity, IT, office staff, security and the million other items needed by a football club who occasionally host 50,000 people will be no less than circa £17m p.a – before you employ a footballer.

Newco’s income could rise from the £19m they earned in season 2012-13 (though possibly not this season), but there’s just not enough money to run a football team.  Scottish Premiership football would be a chastening experience, the levels of austerity required going forward would be draconian.

Fans can protest that they are watching the same old club all they like, but it’s not going to look anything like the Rangers you or I have ever known – and I knew them under John Greig.  And here’s the nub, the most optimistic financial projections are based on Newco selling the same number of tickets Oldco sold.  Would a Newco competing alongside St Mirren and Kilmarnock sell any more than the 23,000 season tickets they’ve sold this year?

The long-term financial fundamentals remain unchanged.  In 2012 the Blue Knights concluded there was no viable future for football at Ibrox if Rangers were liquidated.  Two years later all the evidence reaffirms that position.  This is a dead multi-club franchise.
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