Champions League QF Pre-Draw Discussion

I hope you´re right...just praying its not BM.

Man United v Chelsea
Barcelona v Real Madrid
Bayern Munich v Dortmunf
PSG v Atletico

Barcelona to win

thank me later

Man Utd are going to be odds against regardless of who they play.

Mar 19, 2014 -- 5:11PM, Hamsterdam wrote:

Man Utd are going to be odds against regardless of who they play.

fantastic

Utd by some distance the weakest team left in the competition. They'll all want them.

I'll go for;

PSG v Barcelona
Bayern v United
Atletico v Chelsea
Real Madrid v Dortmund

And Madrid to win it out.

its taken years of effort by UEFA to get the top 8 seeds to this stage, including all the FFP restrictions on clubs. They will be delighted whatever the outcome.

Have to say, no matter what way the draw goes there will be some cracking ties.

The one team to avoid is Bayern
FCB v Barca or
FCB v Real imo
funny how these dream finals never materialise and get drawn in the quarters or semis
After all how many Celtic Rangers finals have there been in recent years?
ho ho

Man Utd v Bayern
Ath Madrid v Chelsea
PSG v Real Madrid
Dortmund v Barcelona

Real Madrid to beat Chelsea in the final.

Doesn't matter what the draw is, Bayern Munich will win.

Dortmunds results this year are much better than last year,more wins,more goals,and a much better team,they should be second favs,the betting is all wrong.

Whoever gets United is laughing.

Whoever gets Bayern and Real are in trouble.

Barca have a very bad defence,but are likely to score more than any team they draw.by the way it was the expert soccer guy from betfair who said Dortmund have improved in leaps and bounds,and the stats show it,its just that bayern hammered them in the league match.its wide open,and any of the 8 can win it,hope they dont fix the draw for a barca v madrid final.

How have Dortmund improved? They've lost 6 of their last 10 home games for a start.

A match for anyone on their day with everyone fit but they've struggled recently when Reus and Blasczykowski have been out.

Agreed biscuit, almost spat my beer at the screen when I read that comment.

that explains a lot glossy

the betfair soccer rep said today,on timeform radio,that dortmund results this year have much improved since last year,and they have more points in their league than last year,he said that because munich are so good nobody seems to notice.he could be right.but i think Chelsea and Real Madrid can give Munich a good run for their money.Chelsea have the best defence,a point worth thinking about,nobody will want to draw them.

Dortmund last year. W19 D9 L6 F81 A42 66pts

Were unbeaten in the champions league (won every home game) until losing the semi final 2nd leg away to Real.

This year. W15 D3 L7 F56 A29 48pts

Already lost in the CL to Napoli and at home to Arsenal and Zenit.

They can actually finish with a higher points total than last year in the Bundesliga but they're losing a lot more games so it's highly debatable that they've actually improved.

Dont shoot the messanger,its the betfair rep that said it,im only carrying the story.anyway,there are 3 spanish teams,2 german teams,2 english,and 1 french team.i would say the powers that be are already decided on the draw,they just have to make it look good on friday morning,getting the right people to make the draw and a wee piece of lead in the spanish balls,and a slight change of colour for the english balls,and sticking the two german balls to the bottom of the glass.they dont care about the french ball.it should be good viewing,unless they do it behind closed doors.

Barcelona v Atletico
Real Madrid v Man Utd
PSG v B Munich
Dortmund v Chelsea

Bayern win.

Mar 19, 2014 -- 7:03PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Dortmund last year. W19 D9 L6 F81 A42 66ptsWere unbeaten in the champions league (won every home game) until losing the semi final 2nd leg away to Real.This year. W15 D3 L7 F56 A29 48ptsAlready lost in the CL to Napoli and at home to Arsenal and Zenit.They can actually finish with a higher points total than last year in the Bundesliga but they're losing a lot more games so it's highly debatable that they've actually improved.

They seem worse to me. Less dangerous somehow in big games.

maybe no longer such an unknown quantity

Ok,lets break the champion league form down a little.Now remember this is just my opinion.Bayern munich hammered Barcelona and the media said that German football was the strongest.but Pep Guardiola only broke down a system that Barca play that he designed himself.in other words he dismantled his own system.and all the bootmakers jumped on the bandwagan thinking that beyern are unstoppable,but it will be different should they have to play Chelsea or Real Madrid.Man united even though they are a bad team have fair results in europe,and after all it is a cup ,so its what happens on the night.with all the refs card happy it only takes one red card and a teams chances goes pear shaped.i think its wide open,and my view is that Paris,and atl madrid are the weak teams.

PSG and Atletico are not weak teams just take a look at the records in the league at home for them this season.

If Man U draw either PSG or Atletico I'll take as much evens as you're offering about the 'weak' team progressing.

Indeed Yo. The French league is pretty poor but that shouldn't be held against PSG. Atletico are unbeaten in 3 against Barcelona and took four points off Real this season. Weak team my arse.

the thing about the so called weak teams (paris and ATL ) is that they will not be 1/1 to qualify if they draw United ,they will be 2/5.the betting is lob sided and when the draw is made it will be easier to get an idea.Remember Man city and Arsenal did not do too bad against Barca Bayern considering they both got a player sent off in the home games,so english football is not weak.Chelsea have to be very strong contenders.People may not like The Special one but he knows what is required to win it,and he has the players and the know how to do it.

My reason for saying all this is because i think an astute punter could or can find some good value in the champions league market as it is today.again i say its my own opinion but i think that Bayern munich are too short a price,and i think there is great value in Real Madrid and Chelsea,i also think Dortmund are over priced.There are a few back to lay teams if you know what i mean.

i hope barca get united

erm didn't Pep only start managing Bayern this season brass?

chelski v a madrid..
real v dortmund
batern v manu
barca v psg ..

i would like this

Manchester United - Atletico Madrid

Real Madrid - Chelsea

Bayern Munich - PSG

Dortmund - Barcelona



Winner, Manchester United. Knocking Liverpool out of 4th place

Man United v Dortmund
Barcelona v Bayern Munich
PSG v Atletico
Real Madrid v Chelsea

Winner..............Barcelona

Barcelona v Real

Bayern v Chelsea

Athletico v PSG

Borussia v Man Utd


Real Madrid win the final

Barca v Real   
                     -Real v PSG
Bayern v PSG                                      -Final PSG 2 Manuchamps 3   

Manuchamps v Dortmund                     
                     -Manuchamps v Atletico
Chelsea v Atletico

barca v atletico,chelsea v,psg,real v man.utd,dortmund v bayern.final chelsea v real madrid.

Barcelona v Chelsea
Real Madrid v Bayern Munich
Man Utd v Dortmund
PSG v Atletico Madrid

leroyb,you are correct,but if you think about it,Guardiola left Barca in june 2012 and went off to sail his boat round America,but by xmas 2012 he was agreeing to join Bayern,Heynckes left bayern in july 2013 and Guardiola took over officially ,but guardiola was the man who distroyed barca,he had developed the barca system right down to when a barca player got the ball they were to pass to a player in triangle form.Guardiola insisted they played this way.Beyern knew exactly what way Barca were going to play with the help of Guardiola(who had developed the system)the two games were a missmatch,and beyern won by 8 or 9 goals on agg.And then the media said German football is the best,but Barca would love to get another crack at the so called champions as they fell into Guardiolas trap.

I think people are getting carried away about how good Bayern Munich are. I think they are the most overrated team in Europe right now. Good side yes, unstoppable? Please. I think they would struggle to beat Chelsea for one. Just like Pep's old side, Bayern will be praying they don't draw Chelsea. The way Chelsea play will destroy Bayern's game.

The best draw for United would be PSG or Chelsea. PSG play in a weak league, United would be tough opposition for them.

Dortmund are much better than most people think. They have had problems with injuries and have been out of sorts, but when they are on their game they could destroy anyone. And they seem to be gradually coming on to a game now at the right time. Good outsiders to with this competition imo. I see a lot of United fans wishing to draw them. Be careful what you wish for. Dortmund on top form could put 7 or 8 past United.

Barcelona v PSG
Chelsea v Athletico Madrid
Real Madrid v Dortmund
Bayern Munich v Man Utd 

Winners imo will be Bayern again.

d'oh

there was a thread already.. must have been sleep drunk this morning.

so here my predicitions again

Man United - Real Madrid
PSG - Chelsea
Barca - Dortmund
Bayern - Athletico Madrid

high_lander 21 Mar 14 10:06 
I think people are getting carried away about how good Bayern Munich are. I think they are the most overrated team in Europe right now. Good side yes, unstoppable? Please. I think they would struggle to beat Chelsea for one. Just like Pep's old side, Bayern will be praying they don't draw Chelsea. The way Chelsea play will destroy Bayern's game.

The best draw for United would be PSG or Chelsea. PSG play in a weak league, United would be tough opposition for them.




How can Bayern be overrated? They're the champions of europe and have actually got even better this season.

And yes PSG do play in a weak league but they've got a star studded side. Not many United players would be getting into the PSG lineup.

The story of the Guardiola trap came about at a spanish presentation dinner last September.Guardiola was bragging about it and Sergio Ramos(real madrid)was at the table.(Guardiola thought he was in trusted company)but they say that Sergio is a good friend of a well known  Barca player who he rooms with while on international duty and Sergio informed the Barca player,and thats how it got out.Barca are fuming over the whole affair and are determined to get even.

As Arsenal proved and highlighted, Bayern are overrated, they play in an overrated league and were made to look poor by Arsenal in the first leg up until the the sending off in which everybody's mate 'Pep' said himself, it was the first time any side had dominated Bayern this season, second leg they were average and ere running scared of the OX, pulled out of position all over the shop. It's like what beckenbauer said "we're boring to watch.", effective yes, great, no.

It would be nice to see Barca draw Beyarn

Arsenal undeniably had the better of the first 15-20 minutes, after that the game settled down and Bayern were dominating possession even before the sending off.

2nd leg Bayern were still the better side without getting out of first gear.


You haven't answered the question though, how can the champions of europe be overrated? If they were being talked up as champs yet kept falling short and winning nothing, then yes they'd be overrated but how can a side that has won everything over the past year and continues to break records be overrated?

Its great to see a small english club in the last 8 of the champions league

I nearly got it right

Biscuit1979, How can Bayern be overrated? They're the champions of europe and have actually got even better this season. And yes PSG do play in a weak league but they've got a star studded side. Not many United players would be getting into the PSG lineup.


Surely it's yet to be decided if BM are better or otherwise this season? They will be measured in the CL not in the surprisingly weak Bundesliga.

PSG are not used to playing top class opponents. So their team, star studded as it might be, has not been tested against high class opposition.

Barca v Atletico
Real v Dortmund
PSG v Chelsea
Man U v Bayern

I expect Chelsea to cruise through to the semi's.

Man U players might well rise to the occasion against BM... don't write them off yet.

Don't write off Dortmund either.

Dortmund have 6 of the 11 that started last years final missing for the first leg (and probably 5 for the 2nd leg).

Real and Bayern will qualify comfortably imo.

Huge sigh of relief from Pep when he didn't get Chelsea.

United jumped out from 20s to mid-30s after that draw. Seriously, who was the market expecting them to get? Olympiakos again?

Bayern will stroll through.
Real to get revenge on Dortmund for last year.
Barca to just scrape past Atletico.
PSG v Chelsea is the hardest one to call. Could come down to away goals.

Lay Bayern
Lay Real
Back Chelsea


if you want to make some moolah

anyone seen much of psg?

Ladbrokes were 4/5 match odds on Bayern. I went to a ladbrokes shop which is only 5 minutes away and by the time I got there it was 4/6. Gutted.

Ath Madrid looks a decent punt at 25 considering they have a good record this year against the spanish clubs, also the fact bayern could draw madrid in semi draw.

I will be backing all 4 outsiders on the outright

Chelsea 14
A Madrid 25
Man Utd 34
Dortmund 40

I think the top2 have an outstanding chance with their draws and will hope one of the free swings with the bottom 2.

Atletico and Chelsea in with a shout in their respective ties with Barcelona and PSG. Dortmund will struggle against Real Madrid as Lewandowski is a key player and is out out the 1st leg and they have other injury concerns. Man Utd have no hope v one of the best teams in Europe.

Got to say I'm surprised people are dismissing PSG on here early on, they strolled into the quarter finals this year.

2 easy ties in Real and Bayern.

Stroll in the park for Bayern and Real, and you have to fancy Chelsea will be too strong for PSG. Barca v Atletico much harder to call, but the value clearly on Atletico.

Chelsea won't find it easy against PSG.
PSG to go through imo.

'and you have to fancy Chelsea will be too strong for PSG'
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hey ? what are you on about ?

psg as strong than chelsea

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Ibra is a cracking player, but French football is sh1t. I just can't see them having the bottle to get past Chelsea.

french league can't be any worse than la liga or english league once you take away the champions league places   

Mar 21, 2014 -- 6:44AM, Darlo Bantam wrote:

United jumped out from 20s to mid-30s after that draw. Seriously, who was the market expecting them to get? Olympiakos again?

The draw was the worst possible : of the 7 they could have got , 3 were clearly on another level , so the chances were they'd get one of the other 4 , with the possibility of two of the big 3 meeting in another tie .

Surprised people would think Chelsea favs v PSG , let alone that they will 'stroll' to victory

how can the champions of europe be overrated?

Simply by people thinking they are better than they are.

If the view is they are the best team ever than they are overrated IMO .

Mar 21, 2014 -- 7:41PM, tobermory wrote:

Mar 21, 2014 -- 11:44AM, Darlo Bantam wrote:United jumped out from 20s to mid-30s after that draw. Seriously, who was the market expecting them to get? Olympiakos again?The draw was the worst possible : of the 7 they could have got , 3 were clearly on another level , so the chances were they'd get one of the other 4 , with the possibility of two of the big 3 meeting in another tie .

I don't doubt it was about the worst possible draw. But, the fact is, United are arguably the weakest side left in the competition, maybe comfortably so. Ridiculous price movement imho - well the initial price was just far too short.

If Atletico have their fate in their own hands in La Liga when the QF against Barca comes up they may just let that tie slip. They can beat Barca for sure but it takes them an herculean effort for them to do so. On the flip-side if they are out of the La Liga race the reverse could happen!

I wouldn't say Bayern were overrated at all. They've been the best team in Europe for 4-5 seasons now since Barca's total dominance came to an end.

First off Barcelona never had total dominance and secondly it was only a couple of years back they were calling Barca the best team ever. No doubt Bayern Munich will be the new best team ever.

No idea where you are getting Bayern Munich as the best team for the past 5 seasons?!?

If Atletico have their fate in their own hands in La Liga when the QF against Barca comes up they may just let that tie slip. They can beat Barca for sure but it takes them an herculean effort for them to do so. On the flip-side if they are out of the La Liga race the reverse could happen!

Some of the biggest games in the history of the club and they are going to just not bother because they might get tired ?

high_lander they've been 3 finals in the last 4 years. This is their 5th year of being dominant. Barca had close to total dominance as you can get, like Spain did. I know from experience though any team who knocks out your beloved Arsenal are cr@p, overrated etc

Tob not suggesting they will throw the tie (and you know this) but if they go 1 or 2 down against Barca you would think they would prioritize accordingly. For them, winning their league would be a bigger achievement than the Champions League.

I'm with the Spanish experts who say something has to give in their season to win one of the trophies.

Hamsterdam make up your mind! You cant have it both ways. Either Barca or Bayern have dominated over the past 5 years, which one is it?

Bayern have won 1 champions league in 5 years, that's not dominance. They were even embarrassed at home by the not so mighty Chelsea in a CL final.

You can say Barca were dominant for 3 years because they won 2 within 3 years, but Bayern have never been dominant. They are just a decent side who have improved a lot over the past 2 seasons. I remember how lucky they were knocking out Man u few years back. Speaking of Man U they were in 3 finals in 4 years, were they also dominant? Chelsea got to 2 finals they must be dominant as well

Looks like we have 4 dominant teams now