Liverpool admit they are a lying bunch of scoundrels.

We didn't wanna sell him so he didn't ****g go. You bitter mugs need to get over it. He gonna be glad he stayed seeing Liverpool are gonna finish top 3 and Arsenal need are likely to get overtook by Spurs for 4th with there solid run in.

Nothing wrong in what they done, arsenal should have found a bigger pair of bollocks and even more reason why Wenger and the board should **** off

Mar 2, 2014 -- 11:09PM, Mike-lfc wrote:

We didn't wanna sell him so he didn't ****g go. You bitter mugs need to get over it. He gonna be glad he stayed seeing Liverpool are gonna finish top 3 and Arsenal need are likely to get overtook by Spurs for 4th with there solid run in.

He wont be happy he stayed based on a CL place in the long run.

A player like Suarez should be at a team challenging for the league and CL every season.

He is wasted at Liverpool.

Does your word mean nothing? Does a code of honour mean nothing? Do contractual terms mean nothing? To Liverpool the answer is cleary no. For some people there are things called principles. Not for Liverpool. They are a complete and utter deceitful shower.

WELL SAID Eeternaloptimist

ABSOLUTELY TOP QUALITY TRUE THREAD

ESPECIALLY YOUR LAST 3 WORDS OF YOUR OPENING POST

The Liverpool board have a history of lying.

Surely if that was they case LS could have put in a transfer request and sued them for breach of contract for loss of bonuses.

HAHA, another bitter loser.

Don't bite to this deluded nonsense.

Funny thing was Aldo wanted Luis to apologise to the fans.

I don't get what happened in the summer.

So Suarez's contract has a £40m release clause. Arsenal bid £40m +1. Suarez wants to leave. What stopped him forcing an exit? Did his team not read his own contract? They must have known. I dont understand. If Liverpool receive a release clause-sized bid but can reject it, then what the **** does a release clause actually do?!

What does a contract stand for when players force a move mid term?
Congratulations to FSG for having the balls to turn the tables.

I thought the £40m figure in the contract was the point at which they needed to listen to bids from other teams not the point at which they had to sell him.  Probably not what Pep's brother thought and almost certainly 'lost in translation' somewhere down the line.

This is what John Henry said on the matter:

"He had a buyout clause of £40m. Arsenal, one of our prime rivals – this year we’re tied for 2nd … we’re actually 2nd because of GD"

A. "They offered £40m+£1. What we’ve found ... is that contracts don’t seem to mean a lot in England – actually, in world football."

A. "We sold a player, Fernando Torres, for £50m, that we did not want to sell, we were forced to."

A. "Since apparently these contracts don’t seem to hold, we took the position that we’re just not selling."

These things cut both ways. I reckon if Wenger hadn't have tried to take the pith with the extra pound, it's possible he might have got Suarez with a £50 million bid, & Arsenal would probably have had the league sewn up by now.

Wenger is a good manager, but he's no businessman that's for sure......Thank god.

Interesting.  I stand corrected.

I said it at the time and i'll say it again, if Suarez really wanted to leave he would've gone on strike and forced through a move. The fact that only Arsenal were in for him probably helped him make his mind up to stay. If the likes of Barca or Real had been in for him, we'd have seen a different outcome and he'd have gone.

Fair play to Liverpool though, stood their ground and have been thoroughly rewarded. Suarez hasn't exactly looked unhappy this seaosn has he?

agree with biscuit here, and would add that whoever thought it would be a good idea to offer the penny above the release fee must be off their rocker, surely they must have realised that all they would achieve would be to put liverpools backs up, and make them adopt a stance where they would never sell to arsenal.

or was that arsenals strategy all along?

lovely to see so many bitters jumping at the chance to knock us, shows how good we're becoming.

RIP man utd

the one thing i will say re the club, is that any latent sense of injustice suarez might be harbouring wont be helped by liverpool coming out and basically stating that they mugged the player off.

A buy out clause means nothing. All it does is allow clubs to put something in that basically says a player cannot talk to another club until the clause is activated.  What Arsenal bid is irrelevant once they offer 40 million as it only entitles them to discussions. It is not (contrary to what people seem to think on here) a "buy out" offer.  The club and player still need to agree to sell and Liverpool dug their heels in believing 40 million to be too little.

Had Arsenal stuck 50 mill on the table like the Torres bid then maybe that would have been enough but 40 million plus £1 was seen as a p/ss take.

I think John Henry has now realised that contracts in soccer mean nothing unlike the U.S systems. If Suarez really wanted to force a move through then he would have done in the same way he had at Ajax

The thing is, Arsenal couldn't have taken Liverpool to court as that would have shown them to have knowledge of a confidential document. Wenger really let himself down with that one pound stunt.

an entirely justified decision in being stubborn regarding the sale of the top scorer in the top 5 leagues.

arsenal fans seething as their season is petering out to nothing, in danger of spuds overtaking them.

man utd fans seething as they're glory hunters and have lost their glory.

chelsea fans having a little bite, to be expected and fair enough.

man city fans as usual, classy and staying out of it (though this will change when the manure glory hunters switch).

Interesting, thanks wallis. I thought buy out clauses actively forced clubs to sell if the player wished to go, rather than actually being defence against bids below the line.

It does rankle that Arsene bid but didnt put in an offer for what the player was clearly worth. Oh, what could have been..

Liverpool fans suddenly loving it after moaning Rodgers for 18 months. Some of them would have preferred Dalgleish to stay, seriously. Just look at the discussion thread. Most of them are ****g clueless and know nothing about football. They refuse to appreciate that BR has basically turned them around into a proper force, because that would mean admitting they had been wrong all along. Some of them think its just a massive coincidence that nearly all their players are playing well at the same time...the same way some United fans are just blaming the players

"I thought buy out clauses actively forced clubs to sell if the player wished to go"



And that is the key point here. Suarez obviously didn't wish to go that badly or he would've forced through a move.

I guess so. The club worked hard on him to stay.

Wenger has only once, as far as I can remember, layed down a serious bid at the correct price the first time of offering, to make sure he got his man. Mesut Ozil. His precious attacking mid. Dont get me wrong I am still a huge Ozil fan as much as things havent quite worked out as they should this year (partly Wenger to blame for playing him too much). But I wish he had taken getting a striker more seriously than an attacking mid.

Liverpool fans suddenly loving it after moaning Rodgers for 18 months. really ?, name them then don't generalize, there are some but they are in the minority.

Some of them would have preferred Dalgleish to stay, seriously. Just look at the discussion thread. yes look at the discussion thread of every club there are always some that are not happy, some being the operative word here.

Most of them are ****g clueless and know nothing about football. great generalization you sound very level headed i must say in your rants.

what drives this anger and hatred on here

I suppose if Liverpool actually do get nearer and nearer to winning the league we can expect many more exceptionally bitter threads like this. Fantastic - keep it up as it is all wasted as they won't win it but watching liverpool haters seethe and self-combust in these threads should provide some entertainment for the next few months!

There was a very good article on the espn site back in september explaining the legal ramifications of a buy out clause SFTD.  It was written on the back of Uniteds botched attempt to buy a spanish player.  Woodward made a mess of it and didnt understand how the buy out clause worked so they didnt get the player.  I will have to try and find it because it explained how the clause in england means nothing other than it opens up dialogue.  But as Biscuit rightly says, for Arsenal to know that the clause was 40 million means that someone leaked the confidential details of the contract. That could easily have been Suarez or his agent trying to engineer a move though.

I think in Spain the player has to pay it ? So Suarez in spain could pay 40 million , get himself out of the Liverpool contract and then get Arsenal to pay him all that money back again. But there are some tax implications in doing that in Spain and that caused the problem Woodward had.

keep it up as it is all wasted as they won't win it


I hope they don't win it, the feckin cherry pickers.

is the op a gooner

Do you know what a cherry picker means in this context tbb - go on, go and look it up old girl as you obv have to! Don't bother replying with a nonsensical come-back as it won't be worth reading - as usual.

Mar 3, 2014 -- 12:40PM, spyker wrote:

Do you know what a cherry picker means in this context tbb - go on, go and look it up old girl as you obv have to! Don't bother replying with a nonsensical come-back as it won't be worth reading - as usual.

makes more of a fool of himself each day.

glory hunting seether

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cherry-pick

To select the best or most desirable; also :  to select the best or most desirable from

surely a cherry picker is one who picks cherries?

I know for a facy Man city could'nt be accused of it...


Oh, we wont bother with  the FA cup
we wont bother with the League Cup
we wont bother qualifying for europe (last season)


We just put all our eggs in one basket and go for the top 4.

*fact

and they could field 2 first class teams in 24 hours with each player playing only 90 minutes.

you're an absolute mug with the iq of a 10 year old, which is why you're a glory hunting manure fan.

go away

TBB - what will you say next season if a United side who aren't in Europe launch an assault on the title? Will you accuse them of 'cherry picking'?

I did tell you not to bother old girl - complete and utter drivel and nonsense! Do keep it up - the next 2 months will be very entertaining........

Oh, we wont bother with  the FA cup
we wont bother with the League Cup
we wont bother qualifying for europe (last season)



Knocked out of FA cup away at Arsenal fielding a strong side

Just failed to qualify for Europa after a strong finish last season.


You may be onto something with the league cup tho - knocked out by manure no way that would have happened if pool had
been trying.

didn't lawyers and the pfa look at the contract and said the clause said Liverpool didn't have to sell at £40 million + offers.

I think the Liverpool fans are being disingenuous here. The point being made isn't about Liverpool refusing to sell Suarez. I'd fully expect them to work hard to keep hold of their better players. The point is that the club and indeed Rodgers lied about the clause. From this point onwards their word means nothing. They are proven liars and will be judged as such.

By you? I'm sure they will release a press statement imminently - good god man get a grip - they aren't even near to winning it yet ffs, what will you be like if they actually do get near to winning it!

eternaloptimist and etterbetter

I think you haven't got the correct facts to hand with regards the contract.

Also be careful as to who you accuse of lying or leave yourself open to legal ramifications.

Im very surprised betfair haven't banned you both.

The  Bitter Better in seething at Liverpool success shocker.Trembling with rage.

legal ramifications ...

seethe-fest. love it!!

maleuk

I refer you to what John Henry said on the matter:

"He had a buyout clause of £40m. Arsenal, one of our prime rivals – this year we’re tied for 2nd … we’re actually 2nd because of GD"

A. "They offered £40m+£1. What we’ve found ... is that contracts don’t seem to mean a lot in England – actually, in world football."

At the time Liverpool and Rodgers denied any such clause. So you tell me how you would describe the inconsistency between then and now?

Moral indignation - get over it. Why would you care about such matters. Football is a game of bluff and counter bluff and nobody in the game is exempt.Far more important things to worry about.

A buy-out clause in a contract typically allows a player to leave a club if a stated minimum transfer value is met - but Liverpool insisted last summer that there was nothing in Suarez's contract obliging them to sell the player.
What we have here is a poster who comes with with a sensationalist thread title to pander to other plastic sh!ts and hopefully make a few chums. Whereas real fans from all clubs would do nothing but applaud what the American owners did in the summer, and stop players and agents trying to dictate and hold clubs to ransom.
One of the most negative things the internet has done, is to give the same type of plastic gobsh!tes who are ruining the sport, a voice on forums that has no positive impact whatsoever, on what was once a fantastic sport for common hard working people. Go an f off back to chit chat, and keep quoting your tabloid bile there.

At least Suarez now knows a Liverpool contract means sweet f all....he'll be off at the first opportunity, Champions League at Liverpool or not. Anyone else for a Liverpool contract that means nothing?

Of course they could have done things 'The UTD Way" and been held to ransom (3 times) by an over-rated player that they are desperate to hold on to (even though very few clubs want him) so pay him stupid amounts of money to stay - that's that's the way to do it! There are some very naive and somewhat stupid people on this thread - roll on the next few months to 'out' them some more - please do carry on with the faux indignation as it really is very funny.

Yes you must indeed be correct themover, after all he looks really unhappy now knocking all those goals in.

"At least Suarez now knows a Liverpool contract means sweet f all....he'll be off at the first opportunity, Champions League at Liverpool or not. Anyone else for a Liverpool contract that means nothing? "

Since when did any players contract mean anything ? Rooney signed an extension , then couldnt wait to get out of United , so they chucked more money at him and United tried to have everyone believe that Rooney never wanted to leave

Suarez has signed up for the next few years , do you really believe that he would see out that contract if Liverpool dont make the CL ?   You must be living in a dream world if you think a contract means something these days.

Very poor this from Liverpool, it is simply not possible to build a team without trust between
management and players. Before  we get ahead of ourselves Liverpool have not won anything yet.

This Liverpool team, although exciting to watch, are a long way from the truly great teams of the past.
Those teams were built on a certain code of standards...ignore these things at your peril.

In essence the contract merely acts as a safety blanket if a player runs it down he can move for nothing or a fraction of his worth to the club

Having a player under contract helps keep his price in the market at a level you are happy with gives you an advantage when negotiating imo

To all intents and purposes contracts have been solely for the protection of the player for many years now. They safeguard the player against career-ending injuries or complete loss of form. If they ever want to break the contract they just go right ahead.

John Henry is absolutely spot on in his reading of the situation and Liverpool should be applauded for taking a stand against this odious Uruguayan.

says the woman who's team is always on the recieving end of suarez's goals

The loyalty Suarez was shown by Liverpool during his darkest times the man shouldn,t need a bloody contract.

Individuals and the club put reputations on theline for him,  he,s the best inthe prem atm.

It's about time clubs stood up against the players they have far too much power now. I would like to hope we would do the same if a player we wanted kept wanted out. We always tend to sell although we do seem to get a good price.

if Madrid come calling he will bite their hand off

If it was Barca or Real in for him and Suarez had wanted to leave, how much consideration do you think he'd have given to his Liverpool contract? Not much i reckon, he'd have psuhed for a move and been on his way. Fair play to Liverpool and an opportunity missed by the Spanish giants to get a player for 40m who is now going to cost double that.

I don't think Real could finance a Suarez and Bale purchase in the same summer window, but I wouldn't expect the £70 million (if that is now the release clause) to put them off this summer if they decide he is to be this years main target.

Yeah it definitely won't put them off, especially if they can get someone like Arsenal or Spurs to pay over the odds for Benzema

It'll be interesting to see how he reacts the next time the wheels fall off the rancid Anfield cart.


Out of interest, is it possible for a cart to be rancid?

Maybe he meant racist

lfc puts it perfectly:

Very poor this from Liverpool, it is simply not possible to build a team without trust between management and players. Before we get ahead of ourselves Liverpool have not won anything yet.

This Liverpool team, although exciting to watch, are a long way from the truly great teams of the past. Those teams were built on a certain code of standards...ignore these things at your peril.

Liverpool were a team players battered down the doors to get into because as well as being the best they conducted themselves as you would want winners to.

If Liverpool wanted a public apology from suarez for disrespecting the players at training.

Why wouldn't they do the same for disrespecting his contract terms and demands?


Seems as always at Liverpool its double standards.

Keep it going you 2 as you are def gaining respect and kudos and not looking increasingly sad and bitter in the slightest - don't let anyone tell you different!
Only 2 months or so to go lads...........

RP

Thread update.

TBB still seething.

Carry on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26433208

So tell me spyker. If Rodgers broke into your house while you were asleep and curled a fat one into your mouth after scuttling your misses would you be critical then or the same apologist as now?

Eeternaloptimist • March 4, 2014 8:12 PM GMT
So tell me spyker. If Rodgers broke into your house while you were asleep and curled a fat one into your mouth after scuttling your misses would you be critical then or the same apologist as now?

Eh!
Getting a bit ridiculous now IMO. Give up mate,nobody is interested - all part of football, warts an all.

There's plenty of warts but because they are Liverpool warts some of you dopes are quite happy. This country was once famed the world over for honesty, fair play and the game being about how it was played. How far we have fallen.

It's endemic from top to bottom in public life. Lie and deceive for long enough and maybe the story will be forgotten in the mists of time.

Eeternaloptimist - I wouldn't condone Liverpool FC'S deceit in this matter but it hardly matters to the likes of me who are just about managing to pay the household bills. Football lost all credibility a long time ago when it started to pay ridiculous wages to grossly overrated players and even more grossly overrated managers. The story is virtually forgotten now never mind in the mists of time.
I would turn my back on the game completely if it weren't for my tribal instincts which compel me to support my team, but only from my armchair.

Wow, BedWetters non existence knows no bounds.

Devoting every waking moment to show us all what a waste of a life really looks like.

I look forward to seeing his seethe fest climax in a fit of self combustion.

HAHA, Massive LOL's at TBB....

How many times have you been owned in this thread you bitter manc?

You are quite obviously of unsound mind if this matter takes up any more than the merest hint of time in any day yet you can't stop thinking about it Eeeeeternal? Do you and TBB share the same medication - he takes it 1 day - you take it the next? Please do carry on - you really don't need my help to look pathetic though if you are this wound up now by such a thing (Liverpool being talked about as title winners) then God knows what state of discombobulation you will be in if they really do look like winning it - oh sorry am i repeating myself zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?
Of course when Liverpool don't win one can always pretend that that makes up when one's own team has had a terrible season (whichever that team is) can't one? One could say things like 'Ha stupid scousers really thought this was their year' or 'UTD may be an absolutely shocking embarrassment but at least the scousers are p!ssed off'. Feel free to bump this when you are pretending that makes up for a trophy-less season and the next few years of increased obscurity...........

Considering you think me of unsound mind you keep having a little peck. Had that not been the case and had the Liverpool supporters come on and said something like, yeh it looks a bit rum and they could have handled the situation better then the issue would have been left at that. The fact that some of you are quite prepared to defend the indefensible is testament to how far you have fallen and how you would sell your granny for a trophy. Your club lied. Your manager lied. Their word means nothing and next tie something like this happens you will have a bucket of cold shiit poured over your heads and you will deserve it.

And it will happen.

Clubs and managers lie pretty much all the time don't they? And then there are players who are so inured to lying we see them claiming a throw in after the ball has clearly hit them last.

You had a situation where a player had been tapped up and wanted to leave a club who had stood by him through a couple of shameful incidents where he personally had caused damage to the clubs name. Then you had Arsenal clearly taking the Mick trying to embarrass LFC into selling their best player to a direction rival for a sum which indicated they had breached Fa rules and had already begun negotiations. Then you had Liverpool digging their heels in and refusing to be made mugs of.


Only the bitterest of the bitters would be squealing about their part in that carnival to this extent.

Eternal - you're an embarrassment lad.

It's really basically very simple:

The truth is that Suarez did have a buy-out clause in his contract.

And Liverpool maintained that he didn't.

That qualifies as barefaced lying, so the club should have no complaints whatsoever if in future transfer deals no one takes them at their word, whether player(s), manager or directors.

All other issues, eg whether Suarez owes a debt of gratitude to Liverpool for supporting him - and by the way, they did this out of sheer self-interest rather than through disinterested, 'compassionate' motives - are actually irrelevant to the question of whether or not the club acted with integrity.

The view that this doesn't matter at all is down to pure self-interest, the emotional bias of a fan, which is only concerned with gaining an advantage, not with the truth of a legally binding document.

Anyone who thinks that this doesn't matter has no respect for one of the key fundamentals of our democratic system, the rule of law. And it's by no means a valid argument to cite other examples of disrespect for the law to justify ignoring it in this case. Just because someone commits a burglary and manages to escape arrest, doesn't justify someone else doing the same, or stealing a car.

If you're content with the standards of the gutter (as long as you're 'winning' of course) then you can ignore this, but don't complain if you're the victim of anyone's lies in the future.

Mar 5, 2014 -- 1:04AM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:

Considering you think me of unsound mind you keep having a little peck. Had that not been the case and had the Liverpool supporters come on and said something like, yeh it looks a bit rum and they could have handled the situation better then the issue would have been left at that. The fact that some of you are quite prepared to defend the indefensible is testament to how far you have fallen and how you would sell your granny for a trophy. Your club lied. Your manager lied. Their word means nothing and next tie something like this happens you will have a bucket of cold shiit poured over your heads and you will deserve it.

A VOICE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS

Mike, what are your thoughts on tapping up?

one thing that mike [the goonie] nichols conveniently leaves out of his post is that arsenal were quite obviously involved in negotiations with the player in breach of fa rules and regs.

this coming from a supporter of a club who themselves and their fans want to "hoot the gaff down" when one of theirs gets tapped up.

Mike. Lighten up

Obviously Suarez and his Agent didn't have a copy of the said contract.

If you're content with the standards of the gutter (as long as you're 'winning' of course) then you can ignore this, but don't complain if you're the victim of anyone's lies in the future.

Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing.

arsenal were quite obviously involved in negotiations with the player

A pound and 40 mill was a lucky guess.  No evidence of "tapping up", no smoking gun, nothing to see here chaps.

If you're content with the standards of the gutter (as long as you're 'winning' of course) then you can ignore this, but don't complain if you're the victim of anyone's lies in the future.

Doesn't that also cover players signing a lengthy, legally-binding, contract, who then spit out their dummy not long after because another club has shown an interest & are prepared to offer them more money & a better chance of success ?

When they sign that contract they are effectively saying that they will commit to said club  club for X number of years. Are they not breaking their word then just in the same way a football club has ?

It cuts both ways mate. & John Henry was right when he said that footballing contracts mean jack-s**t. Get over your it.

If the contract meant that he was free to leave with a bid of over £40m, then surely if he had wanted to go to Arsenal, his agent, who must have a copy of the said contract, would have said,"don't worry what Liverpool say, just sign on the dotted line".

Eternal please do point out where i have supported (or indeed even stated what i think) about these 'actions' My point is that you are making an issue of this for no other reason than Liverpool look like they are in contention to win the league. This thread wouldn't exist and your hatred would be directed at 'ha ha liverpool are carp' threads if they were in say man Utd's position but unfortunately for you they are in contention so you have to express your hatred in this nonsensical way.
Perhaps i've got it wrong and you genuinely are so naive and wet behind the years that you don't know how things work and have done for a number of years at all clubs and indeed in society at large. Maybe you are either 14 or 108 - if 14 then fair enough but if 108 i've news for you there never was a bygone era of 'gentleman's word is my bond' etc!
I apologise that your innocence in these matters causes you to be so confused - maybe you actually think that an insignificant no mark such as yourself (or myself) has a voice. Maybe you are fooled by the 'join in the debate' nonsense that the meeja encourages, maybe you are a fool, maybe not..........

Eternal

There is no point in trying to debate issues such as this with the average football fan.
They are by nature tribal and can get quite aggressive even over the smallest of perceived slights..
no reason will penetrate and it can only end in confusion. Football fans, and even some Liverpool
fans must be included, are in the main working class and therefore likely to be incapable of logical
thought.

TheBetterBettor     05 Mar 14 11:54 
arsenal were quite obviously involved in negotiations with the player

A pound and 40 mill was a lucky guess.  No evidence of "tapping up", no smoking gun, nothing to see here chaps.

yeah right

It seems that way. Rare is the supporter who holds their hands up and admits that their player or club acted poorly. I find my interest in the game waning by the year with the antics which are endemic seemingly at all levels. Other sports do have problems of their own but these days give me the honest sight of 15 or 13 rugby players belting shiit out of each other for 80 minutes without feeling the need to roll around, respecting the official and then coming off the pitch and generally behaving as decent human beings.

Absolutley EO. If you cherish honesty and integrity so highly as you appear to here then I can only assume you'll now forego the football forum totally and move on to something more trustworthy like rugby, snooker or specials.

The players union looked at the contract at the time and agreed with the club,so fk knows what this fuss is all about.

There is the possibility that JWH had had a couple of drinks and embellished what actually happened. Let's be honest, being the big man who refuses to buckle even in the face of a legally watertight contract sounds much cooler than having a team of lawyers scouring the small print for a way out. And given how many people investigated it and how easily Suarez's team gave up its a possibility. If his agents knew he was in the right they wouldn't have hesitated to take it further surely.