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England hasn't had a decent player since Paul Gascoigne
England hasn't had a decent player since Paul Gascoigne
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Gazza had ability but was a fragile footballer in every respect.
Beckham on the other hand managed to rise to every challenge. Which was better? Beckham unless you are a total thundercats retard. |
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owen when he was a whippet was a great England player....gazza was a threat to any team...when he got booked in the semi...I knew it was over for us...because it was him and the others against the opposition....sad moment in our football history ....but gazza was and still is a legend
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I dont rate David Beckham as one of England`s best whatsoever, to me he was a hyped up bigtime charlie, who would & could dominate the set piece.
Take that away from his game & he was no better than many of the young kids trying to make their way today at that level. Nice enough lad though. |
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brngtwt 17 Jan 14 23:02
Beckham... managed to rise to every challenge.  |
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Was Gascoigne really all that???
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Beckham better than Gascoigne
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put gazza and becks on a par with nile ranger...
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gazza once scored a canny goal agen the scots,matt le tiss done it on a regular basis.
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the best English player by miles was bobby Charlton, weve had some good players , gazza, hoddlee, etc , but sorry beckham rising to every challenge
, he scored a free kick that helped put England through to the finals and that really about it, |
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Pathetic how this has turned into the usual club tribalism with everyone thinking their player's the best.
Anyhoo, Fowler for me. If it wasn't for a couple of terrible injuries that decimated his pace he'd be talked about alongside Romario. |
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Gascoigne wasn't that good imo. He could play a bit, but couldn't wasn't a player you could rely on to produce consistently.
World cups since 1990: England squad players who played abroad. 1994 didn't qualify 1998 none 2002 owen hargreaves 2006 david beckham 2006 owen hargreaves 2010 none I don't think the Premier League is the best in the world. English players are not in demand abroad. Beckham went to Real Madrid to sell shirts. Yes, England have not had and do not have decent players. |
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English players tend not to move because they command high salaries and transfers, because the English league is rich. Players are reluctant to move because they can pick up the best salaries in a place where they don't have to take the risk adapting culturally and linguistically.
If there haven't been any good English players since Gascoigne then why have so many players won champions leagues? When asked to name an XI of players he'd managed recently why did Ancelotti include Terry and Lampard? This thread is full of the usual ill-informed cliches, probably from people who have read 'inverting the pyramid' and are now convinced that they know everything there is to know about football. |
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This thread is full of the usual ill-informed cliches, probably from people who have read 'inverting the pyramid' and are now convinced that they know everything there is to know about football.
....................................................... And here was me thinking this was just a friendly thread, a few guys throwing around some thought`s/opinions. |
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There's nothing friendly about it mate, it's deadly serious
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The best English player of any era was Greaves.
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We had Gazza up at Glasgow Rangers for a few years.
The players & fans took to him really well. He was a wee it daft & caused a bit of trouble now & then through his high jinks, but he was a grand lad to have around on the whole. |
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Sergei_Rebrofl 18 Jan 14 12:05
There's nothing friendly about it mate, it's deadly serious. ................................................................... You seem to have been offended by this thread in some way Sergei? |
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Players are reluctant to move because they can pick up the best salaries in a place where they don't have to take the risk adapting culturally and linguistically.
You think these rich Arab and Russian clubs haven't tried to sign them? Course they have. This thread is full of the usual ill-informed cliches, probably from people who have read 'inverting the pyramid' and are now convinced that they know everything there is to know about football. You think the JSA scumbags on this forum read Football is simple gamethe best English player ever depends upon the era you grew up in, it's like if you asked people when was a forum like this at it's best or most interesting, they will give you the year they first joined, same with football, people will the name the best English player they grew up watching rather that the best player ever because they haven't lived through all the eras I hth. |
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The best English player will naturally come from the 60s and 70s.
This was when football, world football reached its peak. It could be compared say to popular music, it has nothing to do with when someone grew up it was simply better at a certain time. |
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What about Ian Wright, world class.
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Its a strange one lfc, ive not yet reached 50 but well aware that the best teams that Scotland ever produced, Aberdeen apart, were all from that era & full of scot`s players.
The Celtic team that won the European Cup in the 60`s were all from a 25 mile radius of their ground for instance,or something daft like that? |
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Ian Wright, superb shout, best natural finisher the Premier League has ever seen, yet another English player overlooked by England alongside Le Tissier.
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Wright was unfortunate he was around at the same time as some brilliant centre forwards.
At the time we had Shearer, Sheringham, Ferdinand, Fowler, Andy Cole and latterly Michael Owen. Any three from those seven would be on the plane to Brazil if they were still around. |
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17 Jan 14 22:56 Joined: 11 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 307 | Blogger: icantbelieveyousaidthat's blog Agree with OP re Gascoigne. England not had a player like him since he crocked himself. The most exciting player in an England shirt I have seen. Imo, at his best Michael Owen is the best world class forward we have had in the last 20 years - name an England forward since who could have scored a goal like he scored against Argentina (or who could have dived as well to win a penalty against them in a subsequent World Cup matchGrin) I find this an interesting post/comment because for me this was the best team i have seen since the gascoigne era and is also why i cannot understand the people ramping beckham as his insane moment in the game cost us the chance of going far in the competition imvho owen was at his pinnacle at the time and was like a whippet...he didn't just have pace his finishing was also top draw... beckham himself at the time was also playing very well, however, it just went down as another failure when i think we would of gone on to win the game and owen potentially could of won us the tournament he was so good, anderton at the time was good and the blend of the team top draw...the injuries since are history but is also the reason beckham should never be known as a great Seaman; G Neville, Adams, Campbell; Anderton (Batty 96), Beckham, Ince, Le Saux (Southgate 70); Scholes (Merson 78); Owen, Shearer. |
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best team i have seen i might add
gaza will still remain on his own the greatest skill player i have seen from england |
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Interesting thread.
I too am of the view that we could go to the World Cup with our best squad since Italia 90, but I still feel that Hodgson will place his trust in the older generation of players rather than the youngsters who should be on the pitch from the start of the first game. There's no doubt in my mind that Gascoigne is the best English footballer I have seen in my life, several levels above anyone we've seen since, including Scholes, Gerrard, Beckham et al. Before the 1991 Cup Final, he was awesome, he had the lot. Phenomenal skill, phenomenal strength, superb vision, the lot. It is a testament to his ability that he could still shine on the biggest stages even on one leg. I have high hopes for both Wilshere and Barkley though, and I hope Hodgson has the courage to select them in Brazil. |
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I think Wilshere can be top class, but he's not there yet. His stalled developement over the last couple of years hasn't helped, for whatever reason it has taken place.
I think we would have beaten the 1990 Argentina side. |
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The BIG problem with leaving out the engine driver is that the train will run off the rails.The young players,who do have skills,will try to play too fast and be careless,giving the ball away.They need somebody to guide them,which was very apparent in some of the friendlies,and yet Frank and Stevie have their best days behind them.Somebody that reads the play well,and can control the midfield,but who?That is a missing link to the chain.
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To be honest I think that one or two younger lads like Barkley or Shaw should give the world cup a miss. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic but I'd rather they were a year or two older and had some more experience before being thrown into the bear pit that is going to a tournament with England, I wouldn't want them to crack under the pressure and **** themselves over.
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would rather see us take a load of kids to the world cup, we have no chance and the best thing we can do is give youngsters experience, we cant do any worse than last time and at least younger players have no fear and energy that will be needed out there
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since gazza i was struggling to think of a player that when they get the ball you are on the edge of your seat
bale on a good day has it, like le tiss he can just do something amazing but i suspect he'll come back from madrid as damaged goods, owen and rooney for a year or two looked different league, scholes is most likely the best english player for me in the last 20 years, but he wasn't flamboyant just a great box to box midfielder, just to add to that england best 11 above, stuart pearce would be in my back four, might play lineker ahead of shearer too |
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felipe toro - completely agree. We aren't gonna win it so lets play shaw, wilshere, townsend, barkley and them
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Chris Waddle was one of the best England players IMO.
And he actually got better as he got older. When he had stopped playing international football, i can remember him being brilliant for Sheff Wed. |
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P.S. =
RIP Bert Williams. An England & Wolves legend & a true gentleman |
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I would regard gazza as way way lower than decent
Shockingly over weight Completely unfit could hardly run Total loose cannon cost England and spurs big time Dreadful effect on the dressing room wherever he went too blame for Bryan robson and many others alcohol problems Made the best of a few basic tricks would struggle at Doncaster in today's world |
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wilshere looked the nearest thing ive seen to gazza for a while...runs at defences and commits defenders before laying off the ball
Gascoigne would run at a defence, dribble round 3 of them and tuck the ball into the bottom corner  In those days with Newcastle and Spurs he had it all, unlike dead-ball one trick pony Beckham, Gaza could beat defenders, run the game from midfield, as well as being a brilliant passer and free kick taker. At the time of that FA cup semi-final he was without a doubt the best in the world. ...and no, England haven't had anything like him since. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVMaIUSeRxA |
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Shearer was better for England than Gazza. Gazza potentially the best ever, but came nowhere near realising his potential. Wilshere - I'm an arsenal fan and have yet to be convinced by the hype. He certainly hasn't shown the talent of a Gazza or Scholes yet imo. Scholes was wasted by manager after manager who seemed to prefer the Gerrard/Lampard combo which never seemed to work.
I never thought Beckham was as good as the media made him out to be but he didn't have to be once he could cross and take free-kicks like that. He'd be one of the first names on the sheet for that alone. Numerous other 'non-flair' players England have had since Gazza who were more than 'decent' at intl level. This might be the first WC ever where the media don't build England up for a massive fall. That has always worked against the teams in the past. |
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I suppose Scholes tackling worked against him for England
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