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By:
kenilworth
When: 09 Dec 13 21:51
Biscuit likes him, lol!
By:
henok
When: 09 Dec 13 21:51
what a dire day
By:
Srichaphan or Ancic?
When: 09 Dec 13 21:52

Dec 9, 2013 -- 9:50PM, kenilworth wrote:


Small samples unreliable, if you knew anything about stats you would know that. For the record, could you explain, if there is an explanation, the significance as to why any side would score more goals in the second half than the first half?


Tiredness, urgency to win, tactical changes, first 45 mins caution, bookings and sending offs increase. Isnt it obvious?

By:
shudacuda
When: 09 Dec 13 21:52
Still passing square and backwards with seconds to go.
By:
Srichaphan or Ancic?
When: 09 Dec 13 21:55
Overnight..

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By:
kenilworth
When: 09 Dec 13 21:55
Another stat for you Biscuit, ''Swansea haven't
won back to back for over a year'' so how could
they win tonight? Another useless stat and that
is not over 10 games either!
By:
TheChaser
When: 09 Dec 13 21:56
are they in europe this week
By:
Srichaphan or Ancic?
When: 09 Dec 13 21:57
I think there'll be some odd results in the NBA tonight
By:
kenilworth
When: 09 Dec 13 21:59
Srichaphan or Ancic?
     09 Dec 13 21:52   


Dec 9, 2013 -- 9:50PM, kenilworth wrote:


Small samples unreliable, if you knew anything about stats you would know that. For the record, could you explain, if there is an explanation, the significance as to why any side would score more goals in the second half than the first half?


Tiredness, urgency to win, tactical changes, first 45 mins caution, bookings and sending offs increase. Isn't it obvious?

Sir, you have a fertile imagination.
BTW how does that fit in with my previous post?
By:
Srichaphan or Ancic?
When: 09 Dec 13 22:01
You asked for the significance as to why any side would score more goals in the second half than the first half.
By:
Srichaphan or Ancic?
When: 09 Dec 13 22:02
Significance is not just a stats word, you know.
By:
Biscuit1979
When: 09 Dec 13 22:02
Swansea won back to back games in September. Valencia and Palace.

As for the small sample size being unreliable. The stats are for this team, this season, so obviously it's a small sample size, why would we care what a different Swansea side under a different manager did 3-4 years ago? Would you compare United under Moyes' stats to the side last season under Fergie. No.
So how big a sample size would you suggest before you'd consider such a stat to be reliable?

Not to mention, it wasn't unreliable, because they scored in the 2nd half.
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 09 Dec 13 22:07

Dec 9, 2013 -- 8:44PM, homefortea wrote:


Possession... The byword for nonsense..Ray Wilkins would be the best player in the World if he was playing now.I have a Gold coin that I acquired 30 years ago.If someone pinched it now despite me having had it for 99.99999% of the time I would still not be in possession of it...


Your kind of thinking is endemic in the English game, and the reason we get raped at international tournaments.

By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 09 Dec 13 22:10
Yeah I was going to back Swansea to win the second half because of their second half trend...it guess it can happen with possession based teams. Their passing makes the opposition work harder so they tire second half, whereas Swansea are likely to improve such passing and sharpen up second half, get into their groove etc.
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 09 Dec 13 22:11
This could go on all season...how many matches now have Swansea been like this - better in the second half I mean. 17/21 goals scored in the second half.
By:
kenilworth
When: 09 Dec 13 22:11
In the League.(back to back)

I wouldn't consider any stat from
such a small sample.

There are such stats occurring from every
match played and are, in the main, meaningless.
If you disagree, you surprise me, although
disagreeing with me seems to be a pastime of yours.
Gl.
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 09 Dec 13 22:19
Theres no binary between a stat with a small sample and a stat with a big one...Swanseas trend is, depending on your defenition, a stat with a small/medium sized sample, 18 games or so incl Europa league. They are certainly not going to keep up a trend of 80% goals scored second half, but its not useless information either.
By:
songsforthedeaf
When: 09 Dec 13 22:19
Swansea were 2.0 to win second half - considering their trend, is that value?
By:
Biscuit1979
When: 09 Dec 13 22:26
Yes i disagree, but not because it's you, i'd say the same to anyone. Although your comment of "every team scores more in the 2nd half" suggests you were just dismissing the stat without actually knowing the facts.
But what one person considers a meaningless stat, might be very useful to another.

In the half time table this season Hull are 7th and Swansea are nudging the relegation spots. Yet the proper table tells a different story. So with that info to hand, and Swansea showing form for waking up in the 2nd half of games, it wasn't inconceivable to have expected a 2nd half Swansea comeback.

Like i say, meaningless to some, but probably useful to others. If we all agreed on everything, there would be no betfair.
By:
kenilworth
When: 09 Dec 13 22:30
One important thing overlooked, the betting.
In the sample you mention it seems obvious
to me the offer of 1/1 Swans to win the second
half tells me the stats are meaningless and
won't continue, otherwise...the holy grail.
Everything is judged on the day.
By:
kenilworth
When: 09 Dec 13 22:34
Yes i disagree, but not because it's you, i'd say the same to anyone.

Bullsh1t, but I can live with it.
By:
Kriskin
When: 09 Dec 13 23:44
Some poor teams in this ENGLISH Premier League.  Game tonight was like watching Kilmarnock v Hibs
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