CLEVERLEY & Smalling, have England ever fielded two worse players??

they'll be back to world class once the PL is back

Carlton palmer
Danny welbeck surely has to be a shout. Drunken goats have better ball control than him.

Yes walker
What a trio

Keith Curle, Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, Andy Sinton, John Fashanu all played during the same era. They must have played in the same game at some point. And there must be others that somehow got a cap while Steve Bruce didn't.

Nov 19, 2013 -- 9:56PM, ocukstinky wrote:

Carlton palmer Danny welbeck surely has to be a shout. Drunken goats have better ball control than him.

Called up simply because of the club they play for. If they were at Fulham or West Brom they'd be nowhere near the squad.

Nov 19, 2013 -- 10:05PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Called up simply because of the club they play for. If they were at Fulham or West Brom they'd be nowhere near the squad.

Totally.

gerrard and sturridge?

total dross tonight

quality players and the future of english football were all doomed

quality players and the future of english football were all doomed

disagree biscuit,when southampton have 2/3 players then the omens are not good,for the national side.I am not being disrespectful to the saints,but that is the reality.

In all honesty ashley cole is the only world class player england currently have.Gerrard is past his best,rooney is a very very good player,but not world class,the rest are average.

I'm convinced fergie kept playing cleverley and wellbeck just to sabotage the england football team.

G.Hall,rooney is only a very good player against minnows,tell me one game u can recall against a top nation,where rooney has been very very good?

rooney is world class. he was the best player on the pitch by a mile in the arsenal game, and that pitch included ozil and rvp, and he's done that at club level repeatedly.

it's just no one's ever managed to build an england team that exploits his quality. ditto gerrard, imo.

Viva......I'm talkin about rooney in a england shirt

v.e.p.

the reason no-one has ever managed to build an England team to fit Rooney's stengths is surely because they are only allowed to choose English players?

you see mc, I just don't buy the raw materials argument. look at the last decades. epl teams have been 8 of the last 18 finalists - and all those teams have been built round key english players. actually, the much mocked "golden generation" has delivered - but only at club level.

if you can't build something from those players to not necessarily win but at least challenge internationally, the problem is what you're doing with your resources.

*decade

Yes but the English players have always been the brawn, not the brains. The vicious club, not the subtle knife. You chuck all the English team's brawn and club together and you get a team that is severely lacking in brains and knife. England.

bit harsh on rooney lampard and gerrard, imo. more to all three of them than that.

If you describe any of the three though, they're physical players. Rooney's brute force and pace, Lampard's stamina and Gerrard's power. They are all proficient technically but none of them are strong off the ball or in terms of in-game intelligence.

rooney and lampard on form both read a game well, imo.

not winning when you have ashley cole, ferdinand, terry, lampard, gerrard and rooney to base a team round is one thing. but knowing in advance you have no chance means you've used your resources badly.

the other problem that gets mentioned less is players that might have really stepped up taking big money to sit on a bench rather than developing their game. how good might joe cole have been if he hadn't taken the abramovich money? we'll never know.

..both Chile and Germany seemed to advance up the pitch to attack......as a team....far more cohesion....

..technically on another planet....

nothing personally against Lampard and Gerrard...they have been very good servants in footballing terms to their country....but they still seem to playing the game as it was played a decade ago....any midfield containing either one of them will be outplayed by even the so called moderate teams......Chile a case in point....

...if we are going to go down in Brazil lets at least do it with some verve and energy....play Wilshere, Barkley and Townsend and even Walcott and at least retain some pride and hopefully optimism for the future...

England to win world cup are 25 to win to lay 26

so shut up and either back them or lay them

nothing else you say about how good or bad they are matters

if you think they are rubbish

then try this in their next 10 games lay them

after you have done that then post back on here how much you have won or lost

opinions win you nothing but real £ bets do

no point in coming on a forum if you dont want to read others opinions really

I was especially impressed with the way Cleverly, Smalling and Rooney managed to all miss the ball/player for the goal - well i say missed the player Cleverly and Smalling managed to find each other in the air to give the German the free header!

Nov 20, 2013 -- 12:52AM, gotitwrong- wrote:

no point in coming on a forum if you dont want to read others opinions really

yes there is as i have stated that if you think that england are rubbish then either lay them to prove you are right or back them if you disagree

or we could talk about the price of cheese because that is just as pointless

this is betfair a betting company that takes bets from different people with different views

the reason this forum exists is because people bet with their opinions not talk about them

so you get to decide what people discuss on the forum?

fcuk off

The sooner people realize that England r sh1t ,,,,,,,,,, the better

I am an eng fan btw

Nov 19, 2013 -- 10:10PM, DeSSieReborn wrote:

gerrard and sturridge?

come off it. They are **** for England no doubt but at least you know they could do someone out of nothing. Cleverly and Smalling have nothing.

dukeofpuke seems a right genius

Time to recall Zamora