Man U trying to sign Baines ?

Don't think it's that strange. They have a couple of promising youngsters already. He could be in for the start of the season and at his peak for another 3 seasons. Also I imagine Moyesie likes the idea of bringing in a familiar face.

Any move for Tony Hibbert yet?

But moyesie bringing in a familar face the way forward for man utd ?

Im sure there are 20 better left backs than baines below £20m.

Only if the familiar face is Utd class and Everton probably only had a couple, him being one. I think he's been the best left back in the league for a couple of seasons and no reason to thinkhe won't be for another couple IMO.

Don't think they will pay anything approaching 20m for him. I reckon top price 14m. Which is probably the right price.

Fair enough, i think he is light years behind cole who is past his best.

Good english left back, not seen him play really well for england.

Just think signing players like Baines is holding man u back in europe and not really the way forward.

I agree Sonko. Looks like a safe short term purchase but they could find a decent youngster with great potential. Baines isn't even a regular international.

It is understood United have made an offer to Everton for Baines, with reports suggesting their opening bid was between £10 million and £12m.

While that figure is way below what the Toffees believe is the market value for the 28-year-old, who is now challenging Ashley Cole as England's first-choice left back, the club consider it irrelevant as they have no intention of letting him go.

Manager Roberto Martinez, who succeeded Moyes at Goodison Park, is due back in the country tomorrow after his commitments as an American television pundit for the Confederations Cup are over.

Each to their own mate and respect your opinion. But I've seen quite a lot of him as I always watch Everton half a dozen times a season or so live. And I think he's class. Better than what Utd have. Loads of top players havent performed well for England tbf so wouldn't worry about that! Agree there might be better in Europe, but they would be a much bigger risk. To sign a ready made Prem proven player at his peak is what the likes of Utd need to do IMO.

The only negative for him might be that he seems to have a slightly abnormal understanding with Pienaar and the two of them seem to be so much better when playing together. He might not click as well with anyone at Utd.

20 better than Baines under 20 million!? Ignorant and patently untrue. He's been the best in this country for the last 2 years by a country mile. His peers rate him and he figures highly in all the stats throughout Europe, not just the prem league.

United would get 6 years out of Baines at least - they were happy enough to pay £25m for an injury prone 29 yr old striker and put him on £12m/yr salary
They will get 3 years max out of RVP

What ccm said*

baines better than cole

I see what you are saying, all valid.

Just remember his england performances didnt excite me, but then again playing for england is rather worthless.

To say he is a country mile better than cole is...

Cole at his best was definitely better for me, but Baines has been better recently. Probably wasn't that much between them season before last but Cole has waned a bit and Baines continued to improve.

If it was a case of medals on the table Baines might see his League two champion medal trumped by Cole's haul

You started it by saying he's light years behind Cole. The truth lies somewhere between. Cole has been exceptional but is on the decline IMO. Baines is getting better and really has been world class for 2 seasons. In terms of assists,set pieces, goals and link up play there isn't a left back to rival him. He's also a class defender btw

*League one

What does that prove crisp? There a countless rubbish players with more medals than top players.

Jun 27, 2013 -- 10:01PM, Can't Catch Me wrote:

What does that prove crisp? There a countless rubbish players with more medals than top players.

It proves he isn't a winner. Man Utd breed winners.

Ahh the medals debate....P Neville and S Gerrard blah blah

Ah fishing. Got you.

Jun 27, 2013 -- 10:02PM, Can't Catch Me wrote:

Ah fishing. Got you.

Did you post that through tear filled eyes

Nope. Been there and seen my team win the lot mate. Which is almost certainly more than you can say. Your armchair doesn't count

1978, world class ??

Baines has been a top class in the epl, i dont doubt.

steady guys.....

cole is loseing some pace now but still better then baines does more running then baines and is a better defender.baines is good at taking free kicks and corners

Jun 27, 2013 -- 10:06PM, Can't Catch Me wrote:

Nope. Been there and seen my team win the lot mate. Which is almost certainly more than you can say. Your armchair doesn't count

A chair is a chair

Dr a in blinkered about anyone outside of Chelsea shocker

True crisp. Certainly can't argue with that!

mine has whipmarks in it

Oo-er!

Lets get back to the original question.

Is Baines going to improve man u by much and how much

Baines is probably going to be the no1 left back for england in the next 3 years.

my question was, does it improve man u ?

Given that man u are built on a spine, centre backs do the defending etc

dr . atkins 27 Jun 13 22:08 

baines is good at taking free kicks and corners




And the small matter of creating more chances than any other player in Europe......

Dr Atkins I'm assuming you're on a wind up?      http://www.eplindex.com/31356/cole-baines-time-shift-england-colours.html

Wind up 9/2
Not all there 1/10

IS. I think Evra had a reasonable season so don't think Baines is going to massively improve them. There would definitely be other priorities in the Utd side IMO. That's why I think there must be something in the Moyes wanting a familiar face theory.

But on the strict 'would he improve them' question, Id say yes.

cole as won over 100 caps for england and as been the best left back in the premier league since day one

You're missing the point dr a.

Shearer was a great striker.

ccm not blinded by the fact he plays for chelsea best left back in prem history

I agree. But he isn't anymore.

we will see next season when hes fully fit but agree he lost a bit of pace 2nd half of the season but cole said he was not fully fit

Yep fair enough. Be interesting to see how he does.

ccm your club got any money to spend any figs

We've signed four players already, and hopefully close to signing the lad from Shakthar for 20m plus.

All going the right way at our place IMO. Long road back, but got to start somewhere.

when you take of the money you get from a.c jbs and suarez that will balance the books i would have thought

Just AC and Cara going has virtually balanced it already. Don't think Suarez will go myself. But good luck to him if he does.

ok cant see him staying.be lucky on your punting

Will signing him improve United? Yes... obviously. Because he'd be an addition (for the moment) rather than a replacement.
Is a decent left-back top priority, I'd say not but unless he's the only signing we make that's ok too.
The problem I have is a more general one of a manager simply signing what he knows. If Baines is the extent of that, fair enough. If we end up with Fellaini and half of Everton's backroom staff as well, that would be a worry.

I think Baines is better than Evra and therefore I'd say it would be an improvement.

Cole has been the best defensive fullback in the world for the last 5 years, if you watch him play he hardly makes an error, makes all the right decisions, is fit, fast enough to keep up with the fastest wingers... however he's lacking when he has to go forward, does some basic work but nothing exceptional and wont create a goal for the team all season- a part of baines' game that has really developed.

Obviously this is a strength of Evras game as well, goals/assists come naturally, BUT he can be found wanting when up against a decent winger. Baines is a combo of the 2, sound def and adds quality in atk, plus he has a v healthy attitude towards life and is loyal/ dependable which adds value in the long term, AND deserves a crack at the big time with a quality team.. gd move for both sides.

Should be a good signing but as Pand says, it is a worry that the new guy seems to be trying to create a mini Finch Farm there. The only recent comparison I can make is Hodgson at Liverpool and that great left back he brought with him - Mr P.Konchesky.

Ibrahima Sonko 27 Jun 13 21:41 
Fair enough, i think he is light years behind cole who is past his best.

And then it became clear this was a fishing trip.....

Baines would be a great signing for Utd. Think of the damage he causes for Everton down the left linking up with Pienaar, then magnify that by a team which generally enjoys a much higher share of possession and spends most of its time going forward. Definitely better than Evra and could enjoy 3 or 4 really good seasons at Old Trafford raking up the assists.

Would Seamus Coleman be a better signing?

Baines is a fantastic player, I would love to have him at Arsenal, consistency is an underrated quality sometimes.

if he didn't score the odd spectacular goal or two would he still be rated so highly?

i have my doubt,Especially given the asking price.

Sonko, how many have you caught on the hook with this statement, I see you haven't named any players that would be on the Man Utd shopping list for a left back above Baines?

Alaba

Give your reasons why?

Young and one of the best left backs around.

Age is no reason to justify his status above Baines as a player. Try again?

CheltenhamRoar     28 Jun 13 14:55 
if he didn't score the odd spectacular goal or two would he still be rated so highly?

i have my doubt,Especially given the asking price.


Given that he created more chances than any other player in Europe last season, I'd say yes.

Finger on the pulse Cheltenham

Why would Baines want to move anyhow? Hasn't he publicly just declared his desire to stay at Everton and work under Martinez.