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Mancini - "United have been lucky"
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roy...do you in your heart of heart think this is a vintage utd team.......if you do then you anything you say is irrelavant
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12 points isnt luck , the team is unbeatable , just ask madrid
Mancini needs to deflect from dismal season where they are the laughing stock of the champ league  |
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I said last season that utd had more strength and quality in depth than City and was laughed out of town...anyone making the same mistake this year is all the more foolish. Nothing outside the starting 11
Last year we were decimated with injuries to key players throughout the season and yet were relatively uneffected. Center midfield the weakness everyone rightly goes on about is one where any of about 6 can play in without the team losing too much. |
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Not sure about only having a first eleven.
De gea, rafael, vidic, Evans, rio, evra, smelling, jones, carrick, giggs, Anderson, nani, young, Valencia, well beck, Hernandez, Rooney, rvp, cleverly, Kagawa, I would say those 20 are the main squad. That's not too mention scholes, lindegaard, fletcher, Powell and buttner. . |
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I've been saying this for a long time, United have been riding their luck too often and will get knocked out by Madrid at Old Trafford.
The reason why they will by fine margins playing average football is because all the key decisions go their way - and that is down to Rudolph constantly haranguing Refs as we've seen plentiful this season, both Pardrew and Benitez have called him out on it, so if anonymous gamblers opinion hold no water - listen to the Pros. Either been chasing them down the tunnels at half time or walking straight on to the pitch to berate and intimidate them. Hope this stating the obvious post helps. |
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I would really expect mancini to be more sensible than to say united are lucky
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Impossible to come to a definite decision re standard.
Either we are miles clear and are brilliant or else we are lucky and miles clear purely because the rest of the league is rubbish. Could judge it by European success but seeing as Chelsea won it last year and yet are already out along with city this season then that's hardly a reliable yardstick. Look at our cup draws, Chelsea and Newcastle in the league cup and west ham, fulham, reading and probably chelsea in the fa cup. Most premier teams have gone out to lower league opposition this season in the cups. We only lost to Chelsea 5-4 in extra time. I will simply say we have the best manager ever seen and we should make the most of him whilst he is still here. |
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i think swap managers and city would be 12 points clear
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siralex,you come across as a resonable Utd supporter which is so rare we should treat your posts like gold.
However,i'd go as far as to say 8-10 of those players are not title winning players. |
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I've yet to think of a good reason to explain why Mancini was given the job in the first place.
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Yep, I would say compared to schmeichel, Parker, Irvin, Bruce, pal lister, ince, robbo, kanchelskis, giggs, Hughes and cantona that this current team isn't a patch on them.
But we seem to be able to get y as there are always 2 or 3 players who turn it on in each game. If it isn't Rooney and Valencia it is van Persie and rio, rafael and giggs, de gea and vidic etc etc. I do think the premier league is poor but a record points total would surely be a huge achievement especially up against Chelsea and city's money made teams. I know we are good enough with this squad to win the league but I honestly thought we would get destroyed against the big 3 if we played them. Last season we were battered by 3 or 4 sides in the Europa league let alone the champions league. Athletic Bilbao gave the best display I have ever seen at our place. I just think we have been treated to so many fantastic sides that we now have standards set too high. If we beat real and Chelsea in the cups and barca go out then the treble is a real possibility. |
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They're not a vintage team but Prem is dire (Pep knows). You don't end up 12 points in front of your nearest pursuer by being lucky. Mancini is just blowing smoke as he's out of his depth; too publicly critical of some of his players - Nasri, Hart, Lescott etc..., too loyal to others - 'Why always me?', too spineless - Tevez. He'd do well to keep his own counsel.
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I don't think it's a vintage United team but I honestly don't give a toss how lucky or unlucky we are as long as we get the job done.
Frankly I enjoy how the likes of Mancini get annoyed about it, rather than worrying about their own team's issues. |
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I think Utd have a better squad, but City have a better first XI (assuming everyone is fit and in form). However, you need depth to win the title and you need to be able to get results in 2nd/3rd gear. Utd have done this and deserve their position at the top.
They are only lucky in the sense that City have gone backwards. They certainly deserve their lead at the top of the table. |
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it may not be the best Man U team/squad but I think it's the best Man U have been since Ronaldo left. What they've done this season well is grind out results, their goal difference shows that. I think that 12 points ahead is flattering but they definitely deserve to be at least 6 points ahead, City have been too inconsistent to be any closer
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Best combined 11 = DeGea, rafael, vidic, Evans, clichy, Silva, Toure, Carrick, Valencia, Aguero, VanPersie makes Utd a better first 11 and a much better squad with more than one way to play the game; utd deserve to be 12 points clear imo
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Mancini the biggest hypocrite alive!! Up to winning the league he and his players had nothing but good fortune, very few injuries, lucky wins and the absolute best one in that final QPR game luckily turning losing to winning in final moments. He should really keep his mouth shut
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Would happily take them on with:
De Gea, Evra, Ferdinand, Evans, Raphael, Cleverley, Valencia, Rooney, Young, Chicarito, Aguero |
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R0ykeane 24 Feb 13 19:06
I said last season that utd had more strength and quality in depth than City and was laughed out of town. That's because last year when you made the statement, it wasn't really true. Then in the summer after winning the league City didn't kick on, their signings overall were pretty poor. Nastasic is a decent prospect but Garcia and Sinclair in for de Jong and Adam Johnson made the squad poorer. United bought RVP and he's made the difference. I'd argue all day long that his signing alone is worth the 12 point difference. However in answer to the OP, i'd say that yes it probably goes without saying that you need some luck over a season, but you don't win 22 out of 27 games unless you're a good side. |
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Mancini is just another bad loser. The Prem is littered with them. Pathetic stuff from him as usual. I cant stand the bloke.
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I have said for many years, better managers in lower division. Without Calciopoli Inter would never win anything or him. His only rival with such a talent squad was bankrupt Roma who run him close and they did benefit of Juve style helping hands. His excuse is pathetic but he Lazio merda
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each way,you talk out of youre arse,QPR have scored 8 goals at home conceded 21,UTD have scored 30 away conceded 16,you do the maths QPR just cant score enough thats why they dont get anything out of their games,UTD cant be lucky all season and when they play badly someone always comes to the fore,utd are worthly winners and mancini just a sore loser
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People seem to want to rate how good a team is based purely on talent alone but what they don't appreciate is that this Utd team has great attributes aside from just pure talent. They show great fight, workrate and teamwork especially. So many different players have been involved for Utd this season and most have made great contributions and some stage. They have a squad that can adapt to different challenges. Jones vs Madrid being an example. Vidic agaisnt teams with an aerial threat being another. Four very different strikers who Fergie has rotated brilliantly this season. They may not have dominated games through possession but if you wanna watch a team play like that and bore you to death every week then go watch City. I even find Barca quite boring to watch with their tippy tappy possession football. United are almost always entertaining. They have come back from losing positions so many times this season and for me that is the sign of a great team I hope they go on and beat Madrid to prove some doubters wrong. There is no chance you can call them lucky. That's ridiculous imo. Manicini just knows he's out the door come summer.
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pathetic bloke
What is it with most people in football - didn't they got enough attention at school or something ? |
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Just to clarify for the idiots and armchair 'fans' who think the question is "are they lucky to be winning the league?"
That isn't the question. I am asking whether, considering that they look on course to be beating records and claiming to be the most dominate team in the league's history, has ANY fan of ANY other team played them and come away thinking "yep, they showed today that they are dominating in a way that some of the great United, Arsenal and Chelsea teams have when they were the best team in this league." And if they haven't looked like this and dominated teams like this, isn't it therefore fair to say that their points total, compared to past dominant teams who have turned in regular performances that have stood out as a class above, is in some way 'lucky'? Come on, just a handful of people who can say "yep, we were played off the park by United and they were quite clearly the best team we've come up against." That's all I'm looking for. |
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Most United fans I know seem to be in agreement that this United team whilst being good does have more points and a bigger lead than they should have based on their performances in some (several!) of the matches. Whether you call that luck, fortune, or just put it down to determination or hard graft depends on your opinion. Manicini may well believe United are lucky to be so far ahead but at the same time they deserve to be top of the league imo. A recent example was the match at QPR....City whilst being on top and "unfortunate" not to win simply failed to score, United went there and did the business. Other examples are the United win at City..great free-kick from RVP in the final seconds but that aside I felt City deserved something out of the game, but they didn't! I don't think if Mancini was asked about last years final day win against QPR that he would deny there was an element of luck involved in that. I suppose the old saying you create your own luck comes into it and lets face it United create chances at the end of matches and if they score and get the points that's fair play to them imo
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Depends how Mancini wants to interpret luck? He want back to the RVP last minute free kick that gave us 3 pts after city came back and looked like they could win the game. Is that luck? Or is luck having a wrongly ruled out goal against you that would have made it 0-3 and killed the game. He also went on about the unlucky fact they've scored less than last season. Once again, is that luck? Or is it a case of bad management and allowing your players to take their eyes of the prize.
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Well lets say for example RVP hit the crossbar 10 times in a match...would you say that was unlucky or he couldn't hit a barn door and the manager was poor for picking him ?
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The fact is, the position at the head of the league is the dominant factor. This team has all the attributes of any great team united have had. AND they have so far dominated the league better than any other, irrespective of quality of teams.....
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Aguero has started 12 matches all season for City due to injuries. Is that unlucky that he got injured or is it part and parcel of the game? I recall when United had players missing last season (Vidic springs to mind) United supporters felt they were unlucky that season with injuries.
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correction - Aguero has played 90 minutes in 12 matches
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To be fair both United and City squads are big enough to cope with injuries, last year united had loads, city didn't......but that just a mitigating factor. City had very few last season and are feeling what its like this year
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DeSSie, I don't think anyone is denying United are rightly at the top of the league on the matches played so far this season or that they shouldn't be there. It was whether or Mancini was right in saying they were lucky. For example it could be said City were lucky with injuries last season but are unlucky this season and visa versa for United. I certainly think United having players out last season (Vidic etc.) was unlucky for United. City so far this season have had Aguero, Silva, Kompany out at various stages, and Yaya for ACN. It's true they both have big squads but there's a big difference in replacing Kompany with Lescott or Garcia with Toure!
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Toure with Garcia I mean
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Manchester United were lucky to escape with a narrow 2-1 win over Southampton at Old Trafford on Wednesday, Sir Alex Ferguson has admitted.
Good to see SAF agreeing with Mancini |
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