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Controversial comments but I agree with him.
A team that is on course for a shot at a record points total yet they rarely completely dominate a game in the manner that you expect the best team in the league to do, at least every so often.
Yes, they are winning lots of games but every win (taking yesterday's as an example) seems to be a game that could have gone either way if the other team had had the rub of the green or put some of their chances away.
We all remember past United teams, Chelsea teams, Arsenal teams and last season's City team looking a class above the rest of the league at certain points and having numerous games where the other team is totally dominated and isn't given a kick.
So, my question is, fans of other Premier League teams, does anyone recall playing Manchester United this season and coming away thinking 'we didn't get a kick there, they are miles better than anything else we've played against.'
A team that is on course for a shot at a record points total yet they rarely completely dominate a game in the manner that you expect the best team in the league to do, at least every so often.
Yes, they are winning lots of games but every win (taking yesterday's as an example) seems to be a game that could have gone either way if the other team had had the rub of the green or put some of their chances away.
We all remember past United teams, Chelsea teams, Arsenal teams and last season's City team looking a class above the rest of the league at certain points and having numerous games where the other team is totally dominated and isn't given a kick.
So, my question is, fans of other Premier League teams, does anyone recall playing Manchester United this season and coming away thinking 'we didn't get a kick there, they are miles better than anything else we've played against.'
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partially agree , they have not been worth a 12 pts margin
still will deserve the Title , they have improved on last year and City have gone backwards due to particular players losing form and poor signings by Mancini in the summer |
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if you look up the term sour grapes , you would see the above comments, pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
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Yes, they are winning lots of games but every win (taking yesterday's as an example) seems to be a game that could have gone either way if the other team had had the rub of the green or put some of their chances away.
They have been the best team by a mile and anybody who believes that nonsense should take up watching a new sport. You have to admit they are the best side. Anyone who cant is a seething Man City fan. |
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When you play bad, but you still win, that means you are champion! If you don't have quality, how do you score late goals?
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They have been the best side, that isn't the question, is it?
The question is have they been lucky, or have they played at a level where they would justifiably deserve to be on course to possibly finish with the most points ever in the Premier League (and therefore be said to have a claim to be the best ever Premier League team) |
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United v City, neutral ground , i'd make that joint favs
United are not a better team, they have played better though this season |
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Man Utd are easily the best of a poor standard league this year.
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The point here is not whether the comments are right or wrong, the point is by saying it you come across as bitter looking for something negative to say to somehow tarnish what the other team have acieved, it's petty and let's mancini down badly.
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United still on course for another treble.
You've got to be a good team to be in that position. |
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grayhawk has it sumed up. Anyway Mancini is a fraud. They should sack him asap. Thought he would be sacked before christmas 2011. They could do better than him.
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Given that last season City had next to no injuries, some ridiculous decisions and still could only win it with 2 injury time goals. Only one team "lucky" from Manchester.
Mancini is coming across very bitter. The longer he stays. The happier I'll be. |
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Is anyone actually going to answer the question at the top of this thread about whether your team has been completely outplayed and come up against a United team that stood out as a different level to anything else played this season?
Or is this going to be the usual idiot Betfair forum carp where internet warriors who never go to watch 'their team' acuse other internet warriors of seething in an attempt to justify their claims of being a fan. |
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United are a better team because what they have shown this year is resillience unlike city who were bottomed from their efforts of last year, I'd compare it to the behaviour of a racehorse who having to run the race of his life, in future performs at a much lower level because the effort required to win has finished him for the foreseeable future, yes they won it last year but at a huge cost, whereas united gained strength from it, melodrama I know
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lucky that Mancini is citeh's manager that is.
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Man U struggled earlier in the season without key defenders, but to call a 12 point gap lucky after 27 games is a bit much.
In response to the question, can you name any game where you think Man U didn't deserve to win? |
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fergie would say the same thing
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The irony here is that the manager of a side who wins the league on goal average with the last kick of the season is calling a team that's 12 points clear after 27 games lucky!!
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they have been behind in lots of games but it's surely not luck that they come back and win them, is it? Once or twice maybe but 10 or more times is no coincidence
just saying it how it is even if it is through gritted teeth |
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thought this united team was the worst for some years have began to think again about my thoughts.
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not as lucky as getting 2 goals in injury time in the last game of the season to go joint top on points and winning the league on goal difference.
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I am not asking whether they have been the best team or whether it is impressive to come back or to grind out results. They have been and it is.
I am asking whether, considering that they look on course to be beating records and claiming to be the most dominate team in the league's history, has ANY fan of ANY other team played them and come away thinking "yep, they showed today that they are dominating in a way that some of the great United, Arsenal and Chelsea teams have when they were the best team in this league." And if they haven't looked like this and dominated teams like this, isn't it therefore fair to say that their points total, compared to past dominant teams who have turned in regular performances that have stood out as a class above, is in some way 'lucky'? |
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To answer the original poster,being a Liverpool fan i think we should definitely have won the Anfield game and just about deserved a draw at Old Trafford given our dominance second half.
Utd and Ferguson are a winning machine and you have to give them tremendous respect.They'll be completely outclassed against Madrid again but you watch them get a result |
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each ways 24 Feb 13 17:23
They have been the best side, that isn't the question, is it? The question is have they been lucky, or have they played at a level where they would justifiably deserve to be on course to possibly finish with the most points ever in the Premier League (and therefore be said to have a claim to be the best ever Premier League team) You can look at it that way, or they will be the winners of the worst Premier League there has ever been. The stats don't lie but you make them fit whatever viewpoint you have. |
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How were they Outclassed against Madrid?
RVP missed 2 sitters and Giggs a good chance. Madrid had more of the ball yes but utd looked the liklier to score. |
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Eboue...very little point bringing anything resembling reasoning to threads like these.
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Madrid by far the better team,should have won comfortably.
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hohohogreengiant 24 Feb 13 17:26 Joined: 28 Aug 11 | Topic/replies: 511 | Blogger: hohohogreengiant's blog Given that last season City had next to no injuries, some ridiculous decisions and still could only win it with 2 injury time goals. Only one team "lucky" from Manchester. Mancini is coming across very bitter. The longer he stays. The happier I'll be. I said similar in the utd thread...the longer he stays the better. |
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southampton deserved at least a draw at old trafford and some would say they should have won
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spurs got a late draw but should really have taken all 3 points
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Of course we have been lucky in some games, but we have had a stack of decisions go against us, numerous goals disallowed incorrectly, a supposedly dodgy keeper, loads of injured defenders, a midfield that can't hold a torch to bayern, madrid and barca and an attacker in well beck who doesn't score yet somehow we are on for a record number of points, one of our best ever goals tally and are still going for the treble.
If that makes us a poor team then I will take it. Doesn't say much for the rest of the premiership though. The only teams I would say are better than us in Europe are the 3 I mentioned and 1 of them could be going out and we could send another out next week. This is by no means the best united team I have seen, probably be lucky to get in the top 5 united sides in my 25 years of watching them yet it is without doubt the best squad we have had, alongside a manager who simply rises up to and above any challenge or team that is put up,against us. We should have won the title last year which would have been one of sir Alex's best ever league wins. When arsenal won the league with their invincibles they didn't have as many points as we have now. For the 1st half of the season we had no defence and seemed to just play well for short periods of games, just long enough to score enough goals to,win the match. Now the defence is back to normal we are pretty much cruising thru matches without being at our best for the who,e 90 minutes. |
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We deserved to batter spurs at old Trafford yet somehow lost, we should have lost at anfield, lucky to beat Southampton, lucky to get a draw at spurs but ref missed a clear cut pen that would have put us 2-0 up don't forget.
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think with your midfield you will be found out in europe sooner rather than later
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Cant disagree with any of that siralex with the exception of it being the best squad.There's nothing there beyond your first 11,imo.
The rest of the Prem should be ashamed they are so far behind a relatively average Utd team. |
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there were loads of games early on in the season you had no right to win
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clarkey.....agrre with that and for that reason city should get shot of mancini
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The lucky 3-2 city victory should have been 3-0 and game over if I remember correctly..had a goal not given....zzzz..people remember what they want to remember....zzzzz.
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