Redknapp: "I'd put him [Bale] up with the Ronaldo's and Messi's"

i think bale is quite similar to ronaldo but not as good hed need to improve another 30% or so

but can we really tell when bales playes for spurs


how good would bale be playing for real madrid ?  still probablt about 20-30% short of ronaldo

if you put phil neville into equation- yes ,he is  up there right with them three

Bale playing for Madrid or any other top team will come up against teams who park the bus from the first whistle and dont allow him the space in behind that he needs to be at his best.

It will be a whole new challenge for him which he doesnt get every week with Spurs.

Ronaldo and Messi deal with that every week.

Rednapp Junior has **** in his eyes, if that is what he sees

JamDav1982 03 Feb 13 15:51 
Bale playing for Madrid or any other top team will come up against teams who park the bus from the first whistle and dont allow him the space in behind that he needs to be at his best.





Like West brom did today then

Yes with ten men is a bit easier to break down.

Just like QPR did last week and Man Utd sitting deep after they scored a couple of weeks ago it largely nullified Bale.

No reason to believe that Bale can't turn out to be as good as Walcott tho Mr Eboue, he just needs to improve his goals and assists tally a little bit and lacks the Champions League experience although tbf he has looked very good when playing european opposition.

vs 10 men is hardly a novel scenario for Ronaldo and Messi tbf

Space in behind like today jamdav? There was none, WBA sat deep with ten men til bale scored a ronaldo-esque goal.

If you really see no similarity between the two players in their style, the I can only assume you don't see bale very often. He will never be as good, but he is modelling his play on ronnie IMO.

*playacting, perhaps.

I think he'd be devastating in La Liga. He's no Messi, but he's in the Ronaldo mould imho, not as good, but no-one better between them and the rest imho.

What similarities do you see between Ronaldo and Bale then dza?

Teams sitting deep and Bale is not the same player, today scoring against ten man West Brom doesnt change that.

If Di Maria can get regular games for Real, then so would Bale.

Who is saying Bale wouldnt get a game for Real or Barca?

i doubt there are 2 players in the history of football who have had as much time playing against 10 men as Messi & Ronaldo

RMB you rate Bale as better than Xavi, Iniesta etc?

He is not even as good as Van Persie, Ibrahimovic, Rooney etc.

Long, long way to go to prove that.

Is Bale 'up there' with Ronaldo and Messi?

No.

Would he get in Madrid team? Yes. Barca's probably aswell.

Until Bale starts scoring 40 goals a season he is nowhere near those 2.

Are people suggesting Bale is the 3rd best player in the world?

He is a great player but lets not get too excited here.

I agree with the dza!s assessment.  He's got lots of the same attributes as Ronaldo - pace, running with the ball, shooting, heading and strength.  Ronaldo is just so consistent and single minded which sets him apart.

Messi is on a whole different level.

Strength and pace, great shot, ability to do what he did today when ind and around the box, the same, flat free kick style, heading ability. Very similar attributes to ronaldo and as I said, he seems to be modelling his game on him. When avb gives him the freedom to play everywhere, he is a different player to the one who stays down the left and gets double marked.

I hope that all the top managers disagree so that we can keep him for awhile! If you disagree with me then fair enough, but I watch bale every game and won't change my opinion!

Feb 3, 2013 -- 3:59PM, tobermory wrote:

i doubt there are 2 players in the history of football who have had as much time playing against 10 men as Messi & Ronaldo

Few years back. Didn't Liverpool play against ten men in over 10 league games.. That will take some beating.

But to the original point, redknapp is a tit. Nobody is anywhere near messi and ronaldo. Bale isn't even in the Falcao, Rvp tier yet, but I think he is close and will get there.

he is never gonna score 40 a season when he typically picks up the ball on the wing or 50 yards from goal

When he does get the ball in those position though there is a serious chance of a goal, either for him or a simple chance he will set up for a teammate

You can't say that about more than 3 other players in the world IMO

he's got the potential to be as good as Ronaldo but not Messi. He just needs to go to a top club to develop further.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 3:59PM, JamDav1982 wrote:

RMB you rate Bale as better than Xavi, Iniesta etc?He is not even as good as Van Persie, Ibrahimovic, Rooney etc.Long, long way to go to prove that.

In the mould of Ronaldo, i.e. fast paced wingers who can play up top. I'd have Bale as next best. Out of every position he's far less useful than Iniesta etc.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 4:05PM, tobermory wrote:

he is never gonna score 40 a season when he typically picks up the ball on the wing or 50 yards from goalWhen he does get the ball in those position though there is a serious chance of a goal, either for him or a simple chance he will set up for a teammateYou can't say that about more than 3 other players in the world IMO

Tobermory you think so?

Go and look at all the other players that score and assist more than him then.

The hints about experiencing 'other leagues and other cultures' are coming almost as thick and fast as the yellow cards for simulation.

But while Gareth Bale appears to have developed a penchant for all things continental, he is certainly giving referees plenty to think about every time he goes to ground, has the time really come for the Welsh wing wizard to be considered as the hottest commodity in the European transfer market?

Former Spurs team-mate, Real Madrid midfielder Luka Modric, certainly feels Bale would not be out of place gracing the hallowed turf of the Bernabeu with the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo for company.

Cristiano Ronaldo himself states Bale is one of the best players in the world already "Of course" says Ronaldo "I watch him and he's one of the only players who can excite me."
"Ronaldo on the right and Bale on the left, a mouth-watering prospect that might even convince Jose Mourinho to hang around in La Liga for one more season.

Comparisons between Ronaldo and Bale are becoming increasingly easy to draw, and not just because the controversy regarding the latter's susceptibility to hit the deck under the slightest contact, or sometimes no contact at all, is starting to bear a striking resemblance to his Portuguese counterpart's interpretation of what constitutes a foul.

QPR manager and Bale's ex-boss at White Hart Lane, Harry Redknapp, set the ball rolling when it came to comparing his former charge to the current giants of world football.

'He's an amazing talent and he's after the Ronaldos and Messis of this world and he's getting better and better,' said Redknapp recently.

'He's almost unplayable when he's on his game. He is a genuine world-class player. There's nobody he couldn't play for. He'd improve any team.'

Perhaps Ronaldo just fancies Bale

Put it this way, whoever buys him will have to pay Messi/Ronanldo money.

Roanldo rates Bale shocker!

Of course he would he is a great player and has been strongly linked with Real Madrid.

well yes , players that are never more than 30 yards from their opponents box are going to have more goals and assists

Betfair forum doesn't rate Bale shocker amuses me more

What is your point then?

If Bale goes to a top club he will play around the box a lot more.

Buzzer - who doesnt rate Bale?

Outperformed by Walcott, one is labelled as a sprinter with no footballing brain and the other as up there with Ronaldo and Messi

ronaldo when was 22ys hit 42 goals for man utd, bale 23ys atm scored 47 goals in his career.
ronaldo when 21ys scored 23 goals for man u when 23yrs another 26, when 24 scored 33 for madridf
than when 25 yrs scored 55 goals
then when 26 scored 60 goals

this season he scored 33 goals


bale scored 47 goals in whole career when 23 this season 13 last season 11


comparing this guy to christiano ronaldo is exceptional lack of imagination and knowledge and huge insult towards ronaldo

Feb 3, 2013 -- 4:10PM, buzzer wrote:

Betfair forum doesn't rate Bale shocker amuses me more

There is a slight difference between not rating someone and saying he's the 3rd best player in the world.

Bale is a premier league player  and not pitting his wits against  against  part time fishing villages every weekend  though is he ?

Feb 3, 2013 -- 4:11PM, Coachbuster wrote:

Bale is a premier league player  and not pitting his wits against  against  part time fishing villages every weekend  though is he ?

And Ronaldo has done it against the prem.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 4:10PM, Don No1 wrote:

Outperformed by Walcott, one is labelled as a sprinter with no footballing brain and the other as up there with Ronaldo and Messi

Think Hodgson would like to see Walcott play like that.

sky punditry is basically a bullsh!t bidding war.

no one in the epl is on a level with those two. RVP is probably closest.

im not even mention messi here

bale scored 47 goals in whole career when 23 this season 13 last season 11

Bale was a left back for the first 3 years of his career

Bale and Walcott would both do a job in La Liga too, even at Barca.

hoho - i was jesting - just surprised no one has piped up yet 

why he played left back then? 


ronaldo played left wing scoring 40 goals plus



only player on this planet who can be compared to ronaldo atm aparft of mess is van persie

Feb 3, 2013 -- 4:13PM, RMB © wrote:

Bale and Walcott would both do a job in La Liga too, even at Barca.

Who is disputing that Bale could play at Barca?

Walcott I doubt could to be honest but Bale certainly.

how many goals would henry , rvp or ronaldo scored if they were played as they started ,  soley as wingers ?....totally different when you are played up front

I did think that after i'd pressed reply. haha.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 4:14PM, Coachbuster wrote:

hoho - i was jesting - just surprised no one has piped up yet 

I did think that after i'd pressed reply. haha.

Walcott probably not quite good enough, yeah.

yes i think peter cech would equal muller record easily if only playing up fornt

Gooners chirping up about Walcott . If you offered every manager in the world the choice, I doubt you'd find a sane one who'd take Walcott! Teams alter their whole setup to try and deal with bale, even Utd did this at the lane.

We'll keep bale and you can have Walcott, thanks!

Walcott, rVP ,Rooney ,Bale ,Suarez ...all pretty decent quality and would fit nicely at the top in Spain .

Don't think the likes of Higuain and Kaka are that special  ..that mob rely to too heavily on 2 players

don't think you can rate RVP higher than falcao, tbh.

only player on this planet who can be compared to ronaldo atm aparft of mess is van persie

This is the thing, RVP is an out and out goalscorer who can do nothing for 85 minutes yet bag his team two goals. Ronaldo and Messi are directly compared because of who they play for, how they can totally control games as well as the huge amount of goals they score.
Bale is not in their class but he's in the group behind them and is still young enough to improve, it's unfortunate for him, from a footballing perspective, that he's Welsh.

although Walcott is probably pushing the boat out a little 

another player i think has tons of potential is Tarrabt at QPR ..needs to lose a few stone in weight though 

Buzzer - do you think Bale is as good as Messi?

Sorry, you answered it whilst I was writing.

If Redknapp tried to think before he spoke his head would probably frizzle

Happily have Walcott over Bale

Bale is a class player but gets overhyped because of the love affair with him

Where on earth is this Walcott chat coming from?

He is rapidly improving but he is not as good a player as Gareth Bale.

if you saying van persie doing nothing for 85 minutes you dont know nothing, van persie creating most of dangerous plays on the attacking end, hes very quick with the ball one of the quickest of them all, have great delivery and superb free kicks also technically is there with  ronaldos and messis ,have great view of the game overall very smart player,superb touch .he is very creative overall dont know how people cant see that ,just because he is not running like idiot all the time, he is like berbatov but with much higher standards and overall great in all departments

im laughing people comparing him to suarez who is great player with own style but not that effective,and miles away from persie,

Walcott is nowhere near Bale's level

and falcao is great finisher.. only

barca and madrid are coached to get the best out of messi and ronny,barca play down the middle tip ,tappy 1,2s
spurs give bale all the time and if he loses 50% of possesion it is overshadowed by his quality stuff,and the 2 top spanish clubs he,d be like a little kid in the park hoping the big boys will give him a kick

speaking of English hyperbole ............... Hart   if he wasn't english, deary me he'd be crucified.

A few people acting on here like Bale is some kind of youngster compared to Messi and Ronaldo.

He is 24 this year, he is only two years younger than Messi. Less of an gap than between Ronaldo and Messi.

never understand people dismissing strikers as "only" being finishers.

radamel falcao's been scored at the rate of about 0.8 goals per game over nearly five years. what more do you want?

it's like having a blinding night with a top quality hooker, then saying "yeah, but she didn't do the housework before she left."

Of topic but this is allegedly Bale's mum who was spotted in court

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrtSvCPaygs

im not dismissing falcao at all, he is top player , only with comparison to van persil duch one is better overall where similar at the finishing , shame he was injuried for so much time in his career...

van persie has bit of zidane and bit of van basten in him, doing what is needed to win match

never understand people dismissing strikers as "only" being finishers.

If your star player is someone who only scores goals then you have to set up the whole team to provide service for them and it becomes quite predictable for the opposition to read.

Generally teams with a lethal goalscorer up front who contributes nothing much else other than the goals , are not very successful .Teams who sell these players and don't replace them like for like tend to improve rather than decline  .Teams who are very good that don't have one of these 'natural goslscorers' do not actually get better when they buy one.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 4:56PM, tobermory wrote:

never understand people dismissing strikers as "only" being finishers.If your star player is someone who only scores goals then you have to set up the whole team to provide service for them and it becomes quite predictable for the opposition to read.Generally teams with a lethal goalscorer up front who contributes nothing much else other than the goals , are not very successful .Teams who sell these players and don't replace them like for like tend to improve rather than decline  .Teams who are very good that don't have one of these 'natural goslscorers' do not actually get better when they buy one.

That is just a contradiction as if teams with 'goalscorers' are predictable then that means that they wouldnt score goals!

so if city buy falcio they wont win the lg, but  ath madrid might win la liga,yeh,

If Bale had a right foot he'd be comparable with Ronaldo but not Messi

No if they are amongst the best in the world at it they will score plenty still (individually), but when they don't score the ball is lost and a goal at the other end becomes a possibilty. And on the days when they are shut out by defenders then that will  usually be a draw or a defeat

Teams who have a player up front that scores more than 50% of their goals will score fewer goals overall.

Look at United with Van Nistlerooy, Uniteds best finisher ever i would say . He was there 5 years and they won 1 title and 1 FA Cup (which is probably as poor a 5 years as they've had in the last 20 odd years)

Ian Wright was Arsenal's best finisher , but  Arsenal as a team struggled to score anywhere near enough goals to be competitive in the Title Race

It's a bit naughty to say Walcott is better than Bale.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 5:08PM, tobermory wrote:

No if they are amongst the best in the world at it they will score plenty still (individually), but when they don't score the ball is lost and a goal at the other end becomes a possibilty. And on the days when they are shut out by defenders then that will  usually be a draw or a defeat Teams who have a player up front that scores more than 50% of their goals will score fewer goals overall.Look at United with Van Nistlerooy, Uniteds best finisher ever i would say . He was there 5 years and they won 1 title and 1 FA Cup (which is probably as poor a 5 years as they've had in the last 20 odd years)Ian Wright was Arsenal's best finisher , but  Arsenal as a team struggled to score anywhere near enough goals to be competitive in the Title Race

Tobermory - what about teams that have won with goal scorers?

Bayern Munich dominated with the greatest poacher - Muller.

There are examples both ways.

Oh my "Bale up there with Ronaldo and Messi" I suppose all 3 have kind of the same goals to games ratio

There are example both ways , and Muller is the best one . But the way pundits talk up the necessity of 'a 20 goal a season man' if that was true the example would all be one way, when , if anything, there are more examples of teams improving without the goalscorer or declining when they acquire one .

Hasselbaink had a season with Atletico Madrid and almost finished top scorer in La Liga . They were relegated!

That means nothing other than goalscorers cant make a difference if the rest of the team is not good enough.

If teams have someone that does nothing but score then they need to have others who will create etc.

Goalscorers can help teams win if the team is balanced and provides for them.

using the logic used on here both messi and ronaldo must do something in the world cup to be thought of as a true great.
has messi even  scored  at a world cup yet.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 5:30PM, barrycool wrote:

using the logic used on here both messi and ronaldo must do something in the world cup to be thought of as a true great.has messi even  scored  at a world cup yet.

Strange turn for the argument.

why strange.
most of the comparisions are based on goals and winning things.
the world cup is the greatest prize in football and both of the worlds top two players have at this moment in time done very little when playing at the world cup.
messi has not even scored at the finals.

Well Messi has scored at the WC, but the debate is about Gareth Bale compared to Messi and Ronaldo which has nothing at all to do with World Cup performances really.

The joke in soccer is that Barcelona without Messi is Spain, but that Messi without Barcelona is lost.

Typical sh1te from Redknapp.

Dead right, and there's only one Ronaldo and one Messi. Neither are plural, and if they were, they wouldn't need an apostrophe.

we're not talking about a 1 in 2 man with falcao. we're talking about a 4 in 5 man.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 5:53PM, barrycool wrote:

The joke in soccer is that Barcelona without Messi is Spain, but that Messi without Barcelona is lost.

So much wrong with that statement it is barely worth going in to.

Feb 3, 2013 -- 5:53PM, barrycool wrote:


    The joke in soccer is that Barcelona without Messi is Spain, but that Messi without Barcelona is lost.


So much wrong with that statement it is barely worth going in to.


yea but you know you want to, go on go on go on

Nah, if you want to start another thread about it I shall oblige but not on this one.

some of the arguments when they want to bring international football into it are a joke.

it's a bit like saying george best was no good because norther ireland were carp. or cruyff was useless because holland never won a world cup.

I see it like this:

No-one is as good as Messi - he's the best footballer there has ever been. Ronaldo is a special player, certainly the next best in the world. Bale could be third best, but unfortunately playing inside Dempsey

He needs to leave Tottenham is my point, poxy keyboard.

Amusing that Arse fans are championing Theo now, almost to a man they were telling him to fack off and wouldn't be bothered if he was sold!

i think he is overhyped for sure but will end up at barca or madrid imo

Feb 4, 2013 -- 5:30PM, The Bhoys wrote:

i think he is overhyped for sure but will end up at barca or madrid imo

Very little chance of him going to Barcelona. They dont need him if Neymar is going.

They have plenty of attacking players and the fee to pay would be better spent elsewhere.

Unbelievable Jeff

If I was Spurs chairman Daniel Levy I'd be a worried man now because Gareth Bale is playing too well, for both club and country.

We already know that Bale is held in high regard by some of Europe's biggest clubs and recent stellar displays have put him firmly back in the shop window.

His goal in Wales' 2-1 friendly victory over Austria was his 17th in all competitions this season and came swiftly after those two superb strikes in the Premier League, against Norwich and West Brom.
Gareth Bale: can drag his Spurs team-mates into the Champions League, says Jeff

Gareth Bale: can drag his Spurs team-mates into the Champions League, says Jeff

I just worry, from Spurs' point of view, that an offer might come along in the summer that they can't refuse.

I heard Jamie Redknapp say on Super Sunday that Bale is 'absolutely world class', that he's 'as good as Ronaldo'.

    What Bale's got that Ronaldo hasn't is incredible strength and power. Ronaldo is quick but when Bale gets up a head of steam, there's no stopping him.



I don't often disagree with Jamie, but I think it's got to the stage where you can say that Bale is better than Ronaldo because he's simply unplayable.

That's not to denigrate Ronaldo, who has got all the tricks and dynamite in his boots - but so has Bale.

What Bale's got that Ronaldo hasn't is incredible strength and power; Ronaldo is quick but when Bale gets up a head of steam, there's no stopping him.

I'd love to know who the fastest player in the Premier League is if it's not Bale. He's adaptable, too - he can play wide or down the middle. If you want him to do a job defensively, he can do that as well.

Wales fans won't thank me for saying it but it's such a shame that we are unlikely to ever see him play in a major tournament.

It's the 'George Best syndrome' all over again: Bale is one of the best players in the world and as much as I'd love to see him at a World Cup, despite his best efforts, it's not going to happen.

I was in Portugal this week and I saw Ronaldo score against Ecuador and it was a fine goal, but I'm hard pushed to think of another player in Europe (aside from Lionel Messi) who gives you the all-round quality that Bale gives Spurs.

He's the reason why Spurs are where they are now - fourth in the Premier League - and he's the one who could drive them on to a Champions League place, which is the minimum Spurs will need to keep him.



I think Jeff is having a joke with the betfair forum

FFS he needs sectioning!

its only the Geordies

haha com just said is there anyone better in world football right now.