Martin, Im sure you dont need me to spell it out...

You suggested he didnt deserve the credit for the CL win (which is frankly hilarious), as it was someone else team, and we had several dodgy decisions You must appreciate how pathetic that sounds? And then conveniently ignored the rest of the CL record.

As a neutral Moyes is far superior to that paella mucnching, facht ranting, bad rotation loving mug Benetez.

Im not arguing with that Kai, just sticking up for rafa's overall CL record. Everyone uses our win as their proof he was just lucky, but forget the ensuing 4 seasons, where he got to another final and 2 semis.

No point us discussing it I dont think. But he certainly did not leave us in a mess.

I get sick of these fans of small clubs trying to tell a world renowned manager how to do his job

Like I said on my first post. You call us bitter

HE CUDNT MANAGE A WARM CUP OF PISS

yes lets judge a managers career on 1 game, typical of the modern football fan.

I notice his record with Valencia hasn't been talked about much, but i guess its no big
deal beating Barcelona and Real Madrid to 2 league titles.

Head to head he always seems to outwit Moyes who has a better record against Fergie, so it can't be just down to quality of squad. Most sensible Everton fans give Rafa a grudging respect. When the United, Citeh, Chelsea, Arsenal, Real madrid, or even Spurs jobs become vacant Moyes will not be considered for any of them, unless it's by the media. That says it all.

Benitez is a good manager, he was very effective at Valencia and won the title twice - although the team was rather dull, and scored a record low number of goals for a title side in spain, but that was his game plan at the time win 1-0 and it worked, he put a very good side together there and he had players like Aimar and Ruben Baraja who could be a joy to watch, but their style was quite classical italian at the time - 4-5-1 get a goal defend in numbers. I lived in a shared house at the time and we used to watch the spanish footy and although it could be dull 1-0s it was fascinating and effective.

The thing about Benitez is, and possibly why he doesnt get much credit outside of red fanatics, is that he comes across more often than not as a complete **** - ok all managers do at times, but he did a hell of a lot

Fergie and Mourinho are very capable of being ****, but they protect their players above anything, when push came to shove, rafa always blamed anyone including players, rather than himself. But he isnt a bad manager at all, I just think his dislikeable demeanour gets his marked down by people, same way some people slate Fergie because he can be a gob**** of epic proportions.

That said, his last season when liverpool finished 6th ? 7th under him, he has to take responsibility, you cant blame the board for Torres getting a titty lip and some of Rafas decisions that season. He **** that season up.


Anyway, some Liverpool fans might get their wish, I cant see chelsea keeping him on in the summer, and Rodgers wont last forever

Although the very next season, he finished 17th with Everton's record low points total, irrc.

exactly dza he had a squad that finished 4th, finish 17th the following year, shows you even more how amazing the achievement of finishing 4th was with that turgid pile of pensioners and div 3 class standard players he had to work with.

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final league position - 4th

notable wins against - man city away, liverpool home, man city home, man utd home

the above is far better than any achievement rafael benitez achieved.

why are you answering a question that you have said doesn't make sense?