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14 Jan 13
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What do the panel think?
Personally, I think Rafa is comfortably the better manager.
Personally, I think Rafa is comfortably the better manager.
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Benitez, not only for the success he has had but also because Moyes would never even get the jobs he's had.
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difficult to compare as theyve faced different challenges but have both been successful in each route, rafa has done two special things however, winning the la liga with a team that wasnt madrid or barca, and taking a squad with djimi traore and winning the champions league
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Rafa consistently outwitted Moyes, even in 2009-10 season in Goodison when Kyrikioas was ridiculously sent off for Liverpool, they still went on to win 1-0, Moyes **** up many situations when up against him.
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taking a squad with djimi traore and winning the champions league
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why are you comparing two managers who have had two different resources?
Benitez is by far a more successful manager than Moyes but has he been able to stay at a job as long as Moyes had, or made shrewd signings like Moyes did? comparing the two is silly its like comparing Batman to Robbie Savage for greatest superhero. |
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its like comparing Batman to Robbie Savage for greatest superhero.
? Batman is a superhero while RS clearly isn't. Both Rafa and Moyes are PL managers. The question makes perfect sense. |
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it makes no sense
its someone trying to demean the achievements of another manager because he has had less resources to work with you argue that benitez won champions league with djimi traore, yet moyes was one of the first managers to break the 'sky 4' reaching the champions league with a strike force consisting of marcus bent and james beattie. |
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Of course they can be compared. Moyes has probably reached the highest level he can, he wouldn't be offered the jobs that Benitez has taken.
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Moyes would have been the next Manchester United manager under previous incantations of English football club owners, but he won't get a sniff to new world owners who want big names.
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he'd be considered a contender for the man utd job when it becomes available, whereas benitez wouldn't get a sniff.
so what does that mean? considering man utd are the biggest supported team in the world moron are liverpool, are valencia, are chelsea? no |
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The fact that you are making valid points for both, means the question IS meaningful.
Can you really not see that? Try and make similar points for and against Batman/Savage and you'll find that the comparison of two managers is not quite the same argument. |
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superman wears tim cahill pyjamas, jog on.
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touchy!
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Who are you calling moron, you devoid of logic fukkwit?
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Who would you want managing your club now?
It wouldn't be the waiter that's for sure. |
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ye i mean its not like we lost 2-0 at home to swansea
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moyes done superb job but needs to win a trophy before long
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Rafa consistently outwitted Moyes, even in 2009-10 season in Goodison when Kyrikioas was ridiculously sent off for Liverpool, they still went on to win 1-0, Moyes **** up many situations when up against him
rafa constantly outwitted moyes ! Nothing to do with the £200m squad that rafa had at his disposal then ? |
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Moyes.
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it is a silly question.
one has been operating at the highest level with loads of money to spend, while the other has operated at the other end of the financial market. there is vey little common ground to enable a comparison to be made. now if you're asking who would have done better lpool with moyes in charge v everton with benetese. that could promote a proper debate. |
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Very good question mex and i honestly dont know.
Im secretly a huge fan of Moyes and would have loved him at Liverpool after Rafa and/or Roy. It would have been interesting to see if he would have taken the job if offered |
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Mexicano gets it right, different managers operating in completely different circumstances
Rafa has generally had money to spend, Moyes hasnt, least nowhere near as much (yes Moyes has spent, but its always been self generated - X sold to fund Y, Y sold to fund Z etc). But then Rafa has no doubt had to deal with more pressure of circumstance, at Inter for example. There arent many managers I'd rather have at Everton than Moyes, and Benitez certainly isnt one of them. Thats not to say I think he is ****, I just dont think he could operate as well in our circumstances. Could Moyes operate at Chelsea or City? Who knows, he has spent well at times, but also sometimes when he has had money from Sales (Lescott for example) he hasnt necessarily spent well. Rafa has won things, does it make him the better manager, well if thats the only metric yes, and by the same metric Mancini is better than Rafa and Sir Alex is the greatest manager ever, etc. |
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Until Moyes leaves Everton then it's hard to say just how good he is. He's got Everton as a good, consistent team but it's taken him a few years to get there. They were a bit up and down in his first few seasons.
He has a tough job in terms of the financial constraints at Everton, but then again there is no real pressure to perform. To be espoused as a miracle worker, he has to finish 6-7th each season and not win anything. At the other end of the scale, at a club like Real Madrid, finishing 2nd is a failure. Benitez has operated at the highest level of club competition (Champions League) and won it. Aside that, he has the La Liga title with Valencia. He's also had his failures. I can take a guess that Benitez would do ok at Everton, but maybe not as good as Moyes. But I genuinely can't guess at how Moyes would handle the pressure of expectation that would come with a top job. Two good managers, but Benitez is better imo. |
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Has a manager ever spent longer at a top division club without winning a trophy
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Moyes is without doubt one of the best managers not to manage a club with a decent spending budget, if he did i am sure he would enhance his reputation. Rafa, made some good signing over the years but plenty of poor ones, man management which plays a vital role as a manager these days would be edged by Moyes.
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his achievments with Valencia says it all, he won the CL with Liverpool and was building a team that was genuine title contenders, unfortuneately he had the worst possible owners and the team he built had to be broken up.
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Moyes is a very good manager but before long he has to actually win something.
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Rafa for me.
Both started off managing smaller lower league clubs. Rafa has won la liga and the champions league. He has managed three big clubs. Moyes has done a steady job at Everton but never tempted one of the big dogs to take him. |
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quite bizarre that people feel they cannot be compared. Benitez has won honours at four different clubs and his Champions League win and final appearance with Liverpool surely tops Moyes' EPL finishes. Moyes also has a very poor record in Europe.
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It's not Rafa's fault that Moyes has no ambition and has only managed small clubs.
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is it a lack of ambition or is it that he is determined to see a job through (I wont bite at the small club jibe)
I prefer that to a 2 yr manager like Mourihno who comes in, spends a couple of hundred million and then p!sses off leaving no long term structure in place |
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IMO Moyes is the best thing that could have happened to Everton in years - without him they would probably be fighting to get out of the Championship. Probably the most dignified manager in the Prem. Well paid - seems content - team performing at a high level. What he has achieved with limited resources is the equal of Ferguson.
Rafa is something of a mercenary but feel he would like to have stayed at Anfield for both professional and personal reasons. Difficult to compare them - both good mangers. |
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IMO Moyes is the best thing that could have happened to Everton in years - without him they would probably be fighting to get out of the Championship. Probably the most dignified manager in the Prem. Well paid - seems content - team performing at a high level. What he has achieved with limited resources is the equal of Ferguson.
Rafa is something of a mercenary but feel he would like to have stayed at Anfield for both professional and personal reasons. Difficult to compare them - both good mangers. |
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Moyes will not manage United, Citeh, or Chelsea. He will not manage in Germany, Italy, or Spain. The guy is stuck at the Toffees with the only lifeline being the very faint possibility of the Arsenal job. But even McClaren won a trophy with Boro, and Roy took Fulham to the Europa League final. Moyes lack of a trophy and his failure in Europe is damming when being considered for top jobs. The poor guy's dancing on the glass ceiling.
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moyes builds teams,benitez ruins them.
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taking a squad with djimi traore and winning the champions league
This achievement isnt regarded as it should. How BAD that team was.........TERRIBLE GK 1 Poland Jerzy Dudek RB 3 Republic of Ireland Steve Finnan (5HIT) CB 23 England Jamie Carragher (5HIT) CB 4 Finland Sami Hyypiä LB 21 Mali Djimi Traoré (5HIT) DM 14 Spain Xabi Alonso RM 10 Spain Luis García (5HIT) CM 8 England Steven Gerrard (c) LM 6 Norway John Arne Riise (5HIT) SS 7 Australia Harry Kewell (5HIT) CF 5 Czech Republic Milan Baroš (5HIT) |
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Lol and they call us bitter, seriously take a look in the mirror. Rafa won the champs league with some VERY dodgy decisions all the way through and with someone else's team. He then went to inter and turned a champs league,Italian league champions double winning team into utter dross. He then went to Chelsea and has been the worst manager of the roman era. Say what up like about Moyes but I'd bet my bottom dollar less than 1% of evertonians would swap him for rafa who is a bit of a laughing stock nowadays.
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Martin. I'm all for people having differing opinions, but at least base them on the facts. People talk about the 'jammy' CL win with GH's side and forget the rest of his tenure. We were the top ranked team in the whole competition from 2005-2010. Ahead of Barca, Real Madrid, Utd, Chelsea, everyone. 5 years is a decent period of time to run out of luck wouldnt you say?
Nobody who looks at the facts can say anything other than Rafa's European record was phenomenal. |
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Which bit of what I posted isn't true?
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