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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259690/Cristiano-Ronaldo-snubbed-Pep-Guardiola-Ballon-dOr.html
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Saw this last night...if all is as it appears a classless move.
Also worth watching this...Mourinho nails it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLPkN7RnjE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLPkN7RnjE
the Barca clan don't seem to have much respect for him do they
Messi don't rate him in the Top 4 players in the world either
Messi don't rate him in the Top 4 players in the world either
it is amazing, i think pepe with an emotional development of an 8 years old boy, will definitely struggle outside his comfort zone of barca. i would be laying any team outside barca managed by him.
Messi don't rate him in the Top 4 players in the world either
Well lets get this straight I'm sure he does but other factors have meant he votes otherwise.
Well lets get this straight I'm sure he does but other factors have meant he votes otherwise.
Pepe will be a gamble for whichever club he next goes to. Could be amazing but could just as easily fail.
Countdown to Jam's arrival....10....9...8...
Countdown to Jam's arrival....10....9...8...
looking at it , does Pepe think he nudged him in the back disrespectfully or pushed his chair 
funny Mourinho in that link, none of them will be shaking his hand for a good few years
funny Mourinho in that link, none of them will be shaking his hand for a good few years
not a ronaldo fan but that was totally uncalled for by pep
imagine the mind games fergie will be directing at pep once the friendship is over.
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Also worth watching this...Mourinho nails it.
Nails it?
Nails another deep rooted seethe because Messi outperformed Ronaldo again.
They didn't score the same, Messi scores more. They don't even assist the same, Messi completely bosses him in that respect as well.
If Ronaldo was this winger that Mourinho claims then he should be out assisting Messi, but he doesn't because his primary role is a goalscorer
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Also worth watching this...Mourinho nails it.
Nails it?
Nails another deep rooted seethe because Messi outperformed Ronaldo again.They didn't score the same, Messi scores more. They don't even assist the same, Messi completely bosses him in that respect as well.
If Ronaldo was this winger that Mourinho claims then he should be out assisting Messi, but he doesn't because his primary role is a goalscorer
yes and ronaldo also doesnt track back even wen loses the ball. i had them backed v city at home, he lost the ball and stood with his hands on his hips.
Well according to the comments, this is misleading, which I would think is highly likely.. Before the ceremony Pep Ronaldo and Messi were joking around. He brushes against Pep and puts him hand on his shoulder to apologise....Would make more sense than blanking him, surely he's not that big of a baby but then the Catalan blood is thick so you never know....
Wouldn't want to risk guardiola at United, though he has proved he can manage a ready made team
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not a ronaldo fan but that was totally uncalled for by pep
From Bhoys this is astonishing. About as close to a negative comment as you'll get from him on Barca
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Well according to the comments, this is misleading, which I would think is highly likely.. Before the ceremony Pep Ronaldo and Messi were joking around.
Also read this so think it's just one of those things that look bad in isolation but was probably nothing.
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Well according to the comments, this is misleading, which I would think is highly likely.. Before the ceremony Pep Ronaldo and Messi were joking around.
Also read this so think it's just one of those things that look bad in isolation but was probably nothing.
Nails it? Laugh Nails another deep rooted seethe because Messi outperformed Ronaldo again.
They didn't score the same, Messi scores more. They don't even assist the same, Messi completely bosses him in that respect as well.
If Ronaldo was this winger that Mourinho claims then he should be out assisting Messi, but he doesn't because his primary role is a goalscorer
Way over your head this stuff.
He may not have scored as many as Messi (I don't have the stats)but I am sure his record was freakish especially when you consider, as Mourinho states, that he plays in a deeper role than Messi and has more defensive responsibility.
Messi is a false 9, dropping off the front and instigating play in the final third..I think you'd expect a false 9 (especially playing for Barca) to have more assists than a winger....It's not like they hit the byline in spain and whip the ball in is it? Most of the creation comes from inverted wingers, playmaking 8's or tucked in 10's round the corner as Brendan would say.
Ronaldo was the key figure in a madrid side that broke all records overturning 'the greatest team of all time'scored in 6 el classico's in a row and had a majestic euros. Messi did not have an international tournament to play in. Based on this calender year Ronaldo deserved it, there is no doubt about it..but people seem to be voting on who they think is the best player.
Might as well give it to Messi in advance for the next few years because unless he gets injured no one will be voted ahead of him because people are clearly not understanding what the ballan door is about.
They didn't score the same, Messi scores more. They don't even assist the same, Messi completely bosses him in that respect as well.
If Ronaldo was this winger that Mourinho claims then he should be out assisting Messi, but he doesn't because his primary role is a goalscorer
Way over your head this stuff.
He may not have scored as many as Messi (I don't have the stats)but I am sure his record was freakish especially when you consider, as Mourinho states, that he plays in a deeper role than Messi and has more defensive responsibility.
Messi is a false 9, dropping off the front and instigating play in the final third..I think you'd expect a false 9 (especially playing for Barca) to have more assists than a winger....It's not like they hit the byline in spain and whip the ball in is it? Most of the creation comes from inverted wingers, playmaking 8's or tucked in 10's round the corner as Brendan would say.
Ronaldo was the key figure in a madrid side that broke all records overturning 'the greatest team of all time'scored in 6 el classico's in a row and had a majestic euros. Messi did not have an international tournament to play in. Based on this calender year Ronaldo deserved it, there is no doubt about it..but people seem to be voting on who they think is the best player.
Might as well give it to Messi in advance for the next few years because unless he gets injured no one will be voted ahead of him because people are clearly not understanding what the ballan door is about.
Mourinho does make some good points but also some poor ones.
I think he's wrong to call Ronaldo a winger. He's most definitely not a winger any more. Since when do you see him taking a defender on down the line and getting a cross over? Hardly ever. He is nearly always looking to come inside for a shot. The old fashioned winger is rare in football these days, nearly all the top sides play with a front 3 and Ronaldo has license to play across the forward line wherever he chooses.
And so what if Ronaldo comes back to defend set pieces? He's over 6ft, not much point in midget Messi coming back is there?
I also hear people going on about trophies won over the year. The Ballon D'or is an INDIVIDUAL award for the player deemed to have performed best over the year. Messi got 91 goals, broke muller's world record, the la liga goalscoring record, hat trick record, champions league record for goals in a game and in a campaign, there was no one better INDIVIDUALLY.
No one can deny Ronaldo is an amazing player and one of the best of all time, but individually he didn't perform better than a guy scoring 91 goals.
And it's interesting you point out the international tournament, because although he performed well, most people were left with the overriding feeling from Ronaldo's euro performance is his ego costing his country. He demanded the last shoot out penalty because he wanted the glory, then watched it all come crashing down around him as portugal were eliminated without it even getting to his 5th pen. Excellent work.
I think he's wrong to call Ronaldo a winger. He's most definitely not a winger any more. Since when do you see him taking a defender on down the line and getting a cross over? Hardly ever. He is nearly always looking to come inside for a shot. The old fashioned winger is rare in football these days, nearly all the top sides play with a front 3 and Ronaldo has license to play across the forward line wherever he chooses.
And so what if Ronaldo comes back to defend set pieces? He's over 6ft, not much point in midget Messi coming back is there?
I also hear people going on about trophies won over the year. The Ballon D'or is an INDIVIDUAL award for the player deemed to have performed best over the year. Messi got 91 goals, broke muller's world record, the la liga goalscoring record, hat trick record, champions league record for goals in a game and in a campaign, there was no one better INDIVIDUALLY.
No one can deny Ronaldo is an amazing player and one of the best of all time, but individually he didn't perform better than a guy scoring 91 goals.
And it's interesting you point out the international tournament, because although he performed well, most people were left with the overriding feeling from Ronaldo's euro performance is his ego costing his country. He demanded the last shoot out penalty because he wanted the glory, then watched it all come crashing down around him as portugal were eliminated without it even getting to his 5th pen. Excellent work.
just seen this once. it wasnt clear to me that ronnie offered his hand. videos been blocked now so fook it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iphu65q3NrI
It looks like he just knocks him, apologises then there's a bit of awkwardness when they realise who the other person is. Doesn't look at any point as though Ronaldo actually offers his hand for a shake.
It looks like he just knocks him, apologises then there's a bit of awkwardness when they realise who the other person is. Doesn't look at any point as though Ronaldo actually offers his hand for a shake.
One or two minor good points cookie ruined by some gibberish at the end.
The good: I think he means more positionally than actually playing the role of the traditional winger. The significance of this (and having to come back for set pieces) is that it is taking away energy away from his attacking efforts. He obviously does not track back as effectively as a regular winger because that would be a total waste of his ability but he still has to get back into shape and do some defensive work.
Ballan door should be an individual award but if you look at the history of winners it has always been tied up with winning things. History shows how hard it is to win without performing in the major tournaments and your team winning things. Everything you list is obviously impressive but Ronaldo boasts comparatively impressive stats in the context of a record breaking la liga winning season...doing it in all the big games. You're talking as if Messi has scored 91 goals and Ronaldo has scored 10. I don't know the numbers but I'm sure its very high from a deeper role.
'Champions league record for goals in a game..' You're stretching a bit here are you not...who was that against? Dead rubber group game?
The gibberish: His ego cost portugal Based on what? Your perception. So lazy. This penalty thing was non conventional but we have no idea the dynamic behind that decision. He took the winning penalty last against England a few years back and not much was made of that. Judging by the way Nani went and sent Alaves back it looked like a mess organisation wise but I guess that was down to Ronaldo too.
The good: I think he means more positionally than actually playing the role of the traditional winger. The significance of this (and having to come back for set pieces) is that it is taking away energy away from his attacking efforts. He obviously does not track back as effectively as a regular winger because that would be a total waste of his ability but he still has to get back into shape and do some defensive work.
Ballan door should be an individual award but if you look at the history of winners it has always been tied up with winning things. History shows how hard it is to win without performing in the major tournaments and your team winning things. Everything you list is obviously impressive but Ronaldo boasts comparatively impressive stats in the context of a record breaking la liga winning season...doing it in all the big games. You're talking as if Messi has scored 91 goals and Ronaldo has scored 10. I don't know the numbers but I'm sure its very high from a deeper role.
'Champions league record for goals in a game..' You're stretching a bit here are you not...who was that against? Dead rubber group game?
The gibberish: His ego cost portugal
Based on what? Your perception. So lazy. This penalty thing was non conventional but we have no idea the dynamic behind that decision. He took the winning penalty last against England a few years back and not much was made of that. Judging by the way Nani went and sent Alaves back it looked like a mess organisation wise but I guess that was down to Ronaldo too.
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Another hat-trick for Ronaldo! I think he's the best all round player in the world right now #ballondor2013 :p
Just seen this tweet from Bale from last night. I think that puts that to bed. Thanks for coming lads.
Another hat-trick for Ronaldo! I think he's the best all round player in the world right now #ballondor2013 :p
Just seen this tweet from Bale from last night. I think that puts that to bed. Thanks for coming lads.
Biscuit sums it up. Deeper Role? I bet if you studied heatmaps of the players they'd be similar in terms of forwardness. Ronaldo plays off the front man from the left and is constantly driving forward attempting efforts on goal whilst Messi might be positioned more advanced at kickoff but drops to create play so there's no reason to expect him to score and assist more.
The fact that Messi broke the record whilst in a Barca team that didn't win La Liga/CL just makes it an even more remarkable achievement
The fact that Messi broke the record whilst in a Barca team that didn't win La Liga/CL just makes it an even more remarkable achievement
messi blew the whole thing out of the water by breaking Mullers record. he is the one player above all people would fork out any amount of money to see in a one-off game
its why hes considered up there with geniuses like Maradona and Pele, while Ronnie as great as he is, nobody is putting him in that company
and i ve never heard a journalist or commentator say that hes better than messi, that just wouldnt be taken very seriously
its why hes considered up there with geniuses like Maradona and Pele, while Ronnie as great as he is, nobody is putting him in that company
and i ve never heard a journalist or commentator say that hes better than messi, that just wouldnt be taken very seriously
Last year Ronaldo scored more than Messi and didn't win it supposedly because he didn't win any titles. This year the roles where reversed and the outcome was the same.
Roy - Does Ronaldo play a much deeper role? Messi quite often comes deep to dictate play too. I'm not sure you could argue either way as both have a free reign to go wherever they like. It's why they're so good and score so many goals.
The CL record was in a knockout game against Leverkusen who had earlier beaten Chelsea and Valencia and currently sit 2nd in the Bundesliga so not exactly no hopers.
The ego thing was based on what Nani said after the game. The portugal manager tried to say that he chose the penalty order but Nani came out and said that wasnt true and that Ronaldo himself decided and he wanted the glory of taking the last one. If it'd gone to a 5th pen then fair enough but it seems to me another case of the player putting himself before the good of the team. And i think that's ultimately what separates them. Messi is a team player, Ronaldo isn't.
How many times do you see Ronaldo throw his arms in the air frustrated when he doesn't get a pass or someone else messes up. He very rarely celebrates when someone else scores a goal. He threw a major strop when he found out that a couple of team mates didn't vote for him in the ballon d'or, he even gave up his voting rights to Bruno Alves to sneak an extra vote in for himself. Me, me, me. And that is why despite his brilliance, people don't take to him.
But overall throughout 2012, no one can argue that Messi didn't perform better. 91 goals is ridiculous.
The CL record was in a knockout game against Leverkusen who had earlier beaten Chelsea and Valencia and currently sit 2nd in the Bundesliga so not exactly no hopers.
The ego thing was based on what Nani said after the game. The portugal manager tried to say that he chose the penalty order but Nani came out and said that wasnt true and that Ronaldo himself decided and he wanted the glory of taking the last one. If it'd gone to a 5th pen then fair enough but it seems to me another case of the player putting himself before the good of the team. And i think that's ultimately what separates them. Messi is a team player, Ronaldo isn't.
How many times do you see Ronaldo throw his arms in the air frustrated when he doesn't get a pass or someone else messes up. He very rarely celebrates when someone else scores a goal. He threw a major strop when he found out that a couple of team mates didn't vote for him in the ballon d'or, he even gave up his voting rights to Bruno Alves to sneak an extra vote in for himself. Me, me, me. And that is why despite his brilliance, people don't take to him.
But overall throughout 2012, no one can argue that Messi didn't perform better. 91 goals is ridiculous.
Seconded.
Surely the most ridiculous thing about the Balon D'or is that Ronaldo claimed to be "injured" and so couldnt vote. This allowed Bruno Alves to come in and vote for him.
That sums Ronaldo up , its all about "me me me me" as his penalty antics at the Euros also showed.
Messi is by far a better player and the Ronaldo backtracking and defending theory has nothing to do with it. Thats just a convenient excuse for Ronaldo fans to excuse why their hero isnt winning the award.
Surely the most ridiculous thing about the Balon D'or is that Ronaldo claimed to be "injured" and so couldnt vote. This allowed Bruno Alves to come in and vote for him.
That sums Ronaldo up , its all about "me me me me" as his penalty antics at the Euros also showed.
Messi is by far a better player and the Ronaldo backtracking and defending theory has nothing to do with it. Thats just a convenient excuse for Ronaldo fans to excuse why their hero isnt winning the award.
Oh by the way all those harping on about the muller record get your facts right...When the votes were actually cast back in the fall he was well short of the record
I know you don't like it..but the bottom line is that Messi is far more likeable than Ronaldo and suffers from that MASSIVELY.
I know you don't like it..but the bottom line is that Messi is far more likeable than Ronaldo and suffers from that MASSIVELY.
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Biscuit sums it up. Deeper Role? I bet if you studied heatmaps of the players they'd be similar in terms of forwardness.
Nonsense. Stopped reading your post after this. If you put up a heat map of their average positions over the course of a season Ronaldo would be further left and significantly deeper than the more central and advanced Messi.
Why do people try and argue black is white? I can't take you seriously going forward with this sort of drivel.
The question here is that lately the vote isn't going to best player of the season (witch is the point of the trophy). If it was so, Sneijder should've got it in 2010 and Ronaldo in 2011 (scored more than Messi, if that's your main reason for Messi winning it this year).
The issue here is that Messi has the image of a saint while Ronaldo is the arrogant one. There's lots of images of Messi trying to hit opponents deliberadly and dissing teammates (Villa anyone?) and you really believe that Messi thinks Aguero is better than Ronaldo?
The bottom line is that this is turning more into a political election than a sports award.
The issue here is that Messi has the image of a saint while Ronaldo is the arrogant one. There's lots of images of Messi trying to hit opponents deliberadly and dissing teammates (Villa anyone?) and you really believe that Messi thinks Aguero is better than Ronaldo?
The bottom line is that this is turning more into a political election than a sports award.
Like I said bicsuit, your post sums up why Ronaldo has no chance even before he's kicked a ball. And this goal record thing is another excuse. When the votes where cast it was not in the equation. A narrative to fit the outcome.
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The question here is that lately the vote isn't going to best player of the season (witch is the point of the trophy). If it was so, Sneijder should've got it in 2010 and Ronaldo in 2011 (scored more than Messi, if that's your main reason for Messi winning it this year).
The issue here is that Messi has the image of a saint while Ronaldo is the arrogant one. There's lots of images of Messi trying to hit opponents deliberadly and dissing teammates (Villa anyone?) and you really believe that Messi thinks Aguero is better than Ronaldo?
The bottom line is that this is turning more into a political election than a sports award.
At last, someone who gets it. Thanks for a light in the darkness. Messi has got it 4 years in a row because people are voting politically and also voting for who they believe is the best player in the world...not who has been the best player for the period of time in question. There is a significant difference.
Diego maradona was no-saint, but no-one said he wasnt the best. i dont accept what you re saying Cursor, at the end of the day this award is given to the worlds best player
there isnt a more obvious thing in sport that Messi is the best at what he does
there isnt a more obvious thing in sport that Messi is the best at what he does
i have grew up in barca all my life and im so annoyed by peps antics. its not how we role in barca
Fred, kindly check the utd thread. Would like your input on the latest post.
"The bottom line is that this is turning more into a political election than a sports award"
Can't argue with that. Joachim Low voting for Ozil and Neuer was laughable. I think the Argie manager voted for 3 Argentinians. All a bit silly.
But Messi still out performed Ronaldo and broke numerous records.
If the goals tally was reversed and Ronaldo had got 91 goals and Messi had still beaten him then Roy would have a point.
Can't argue with that. Joachim Low voting for Ozil and Neuer was laughable. I think the Argie manager voted for 3 Argentinians. All a bit silly.
But Messi still out performed Ronaldo and broke numerous records.
If the goals tally was reversed and Ronaldo had got 91 goals and Messi had still beaten him then Roy would have a point.
If you gave all the clubs , fans , managers an opportunity to have Ronaldo or Messi at their club then Messi would win it hands down. It has nothing to do with popularity he is simply the better player.
I liked the Algerian manager voting for Karim "of Algerian descent" Benzema as the best player in the world. :)
Jan 10, 2013 -- 11:37AM, freddiek wrote:
Diego maradona was no-saint, but no-one said he wasnt the best. i dont accept what you re saying Cursor, at the end of the day this award is given to the worlds best playerthere isnt a more obvious thing in sport that Messi is the best at what he does
Freddie, the Ballon D'or is given to the best player of the year, so if you guys are saying since Messi scored more goals than Ronaldo even if his team didn't win any relevant titles in 2011 you should admit Ronaldo deserved it since he scored more goals than Messi only winning a Copa Del Rey.
that doesnt make a whole lot of sense cursor. you re leaving out the contributions of all the other players involved!
Cursor.
In 2011 the goals tally was almost identical. 60 to Ronaldo, 59 to Messi.
Ron won the copa del rey. Messi won la liga, champions league, super cup and world club cup. Surely you can see that Messi had the edge there.
In 2012, yes Ronaldo won the league and super cup, and Messi only won the copa del rey but Messi broke every single goalscoring record going, so this would give him the edge individually.
In 2011 the goals tally was almost identical. 60 to Ronaldo, 59 to Messi.
Ron won the copa del rey. Messi won la liga, champions league, super cup and world club cup. Surely you can see that Messi had the edge there.
In 2012, yes Ronaldo won the league and super cup, and Messi only won the copa del rey but Messi broke every single goalscoring record going, so this would give him the edge individually.
Ronaldo is a very good player but lacks that indefinable quality that makes a truly great player
I disagree. Ronaldo is a truly great player. He's just unfortunate to be playing at the same time as Messi and the Barca golden era.
I just think people are looking at the number of goals for the defining factor for this award and I fear some deserving players will be overlooked if this trend continues. Sneijder the year Inter won everything more than deserved it for his role on those titles.
id agree with that cursor. bisco i watched madrid at weekend, ronaldo cant pass a ball 5 yards. that is not a truly great player
To be considered one of the really great players in history you have to have extreme talent.
But also there has to be something different,something individual about the way you play.
This is why players like Best are in some ways greater...they had not been seen before!
But also there has to be something different,something individual about the way you play.
This is why players like Best are in some ways greater...they had not been seen before!
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If you gave all the clubs , fans , managers an opportunity to have Ronaldo or Messi at their club then Messi would win it hands down. It has nothing to do with popularity he is simply the better player
Shock horror miss the point of the debate again.
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Ronaldo is a very good player but lacks that indefinable quality that makes a truly great player
Likeability I think is what you are looking for LFC.
Maradona was widely liked and his antics only added to his story, woeful example.
I don't think there has ever been a top top triffic player as widely disliked as Ronaldo. Hated in south america, most of spain, england....etc.
I don't think there has ever been a top top triffic player as widely disliked as Ronaldo. Hated in south america, most of spain, england....etc.
roy hes hated cus hes an arrogant cu nt, nothing to do with his talent. messi is far more talented but is liked cus hes not a di ck
Roy as usual you are just making excuses for not being correct. You are trying to find reasons why Ronaldo didnt win it rather than accept that he is not the best player in the world at the moment which is what the award is for.
Are you suggesting that more clubs would prefer Ronaldo than Messi ? of course not and thats because Messi is the better player. Defending deep , back tracking , not likeable enough , poltical voting are just excuses.
Are you suggesting that more clubs would prefer Ronaldo than Messi ? of course not and thats because Messi is the better player. Defending deep , back tracking , not likeable enough , poltical voting are just excuses.
Roy not necessarily likeability although Best for all his foibles was someone who was naturally so
To be great you have to be unique...Best Pele,Cruff, Muller, Puskas Maradonna (and Greaves, i have to include!)
These players are different.A great artist has his own unique style.
To be great you have to be unique...Best Pele,Cruff, Muller, Puskas Maradonna (and Greaves, i have to include!)
These players are different.A great artist has his own unique style.
"Are you suggesting that more clubs would prefer Ronaldo than Messi ? of course not and thats because Messi is the better player"
Whilst you can't against Messi being the better player, one of Mourinho's good points from the interview is that Ronaldo has now played in 3 countries and been the star of 2 major sides. Messi has only ever played in his Barca 'bubble' with players he's known for his entire adult life.
Whilst you can't against Messi being the better player, one of Mourinho's good points from the interview is that Ronaldo has now played in 3 countries and been the star of 2 major sides. Messi has only ever played in his Barca 'bubble' with players he's known for his entire adult life.
True. In Ronaldos case he moved upwards to a better club each time and got better as a player but any change for Messi is going to be a step down.
that was a fair point bisco but without messi barca are no wer near the machine they are with him
I agree with Biscuit. To me Messi will never be as good as Maradona, who single handedly took Argentina to 2 world titles.
Interesting stats.
1. Out of 162 national team captains that voted, only 15 chose the exact winning combination; ranking Lionel Messi 1st, Cristiano Ronaldo 2nd, and Andrés Iniesta 3rd.
Surprisingly, none of the captains of the 40 top teams in the world (according to FIFA), voted for this winning combination. Likewise, only 19 coaches (also out of 162) voted for this combination"
2. Four captains and two coaches did not think any of Messi, Ronaldo or Iniesta were worthy of appearing in their top three
3. In total, 44 voters did not mention Messi in their top three at all; 18 international captains, 13 international coaches, and 13 media representatives.
4. A total of 141 voters did not include Ronaldo in their top three.These include 58 international captains, which means that more than a third (35 percent) of captains omitted Ronaldo from their top three; 47 international coaches, and 36 media representatives.
1. Out of 162 national team captains that voted, only 15 chose the exact winning combination; ranking Lionel Messi 1st, Cristiano Ronaldo 2nd, and Andrés Iniesta 3rd.
Surprisingly, none of the captains of the 40 top teams in the world (according to FIFA), voted for this winning combination. Likewise, only 19 coaches (also out of 162) voted for this combination"
2. Four captains and two coaches did not think any of Messi, Ronaldo or Iniesta were worthy of appearing in their top three
3. In total, 44 voters did not mention Messi in their top three at all; 18 international captains, 13 international coaches, and 13 media representatives.
4. A total of 141 voters did not include Ronaldo in their top three.These include 58 international captains, which means that more than a third (35 percent) of captains omitted Ronaldo from their top three; 47 international coaches, and 36 media representatives.
"2. Four captains and two coaches did not think any of Messi, Ronaldo or Iniesta were worthy of appearing in their top three"
Anyone have to hand who these idiots are?
Anyone have to hand who these idiots are?
It is never a downward step to break away from the norm and challenge yourself...Sadly, the expense of his transfer may rule that out and his desire to stay there, but I am sure he has at least thought about it.
Iniesta was given the title at the euros as a token, he didnt play that well at all.
I've found one.
Joachim Low voted for Ozil, Neuer and Xavi as his three.
The captain of Palestine voted for Balotelli
Joachim Low voted for Ozil, Neuer and Xavi as his three.
The captain of Palestine voted for Balotelli
Hugo Lloris (France, Captain):
1. Iker Casillas
2. Radamel Falcao
3. Didier Drogba
Danilevicius Tomas (Lithuania, Captain):
1. Zlatan Ibrahimovic
2. Wayne Rooney
3. Gerard Piqué
Marko Vucinic (Montenegro, Captain):
1. Gianluigi Buffon
2. Andrea Pirlo
3. Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Stefano Andrew (Samoa, Captain):
1. Xabi Alonso
2. Andrea Pirlo
3. Manuel Neuer
1. Iker Casillas
2. Radamel Falcao
3. Didier Drogba
Danilevicius Tomas (Lithuania, Captain):
1. Zlatan Ibrahimovic
2. Wayne Rooney
3. Gerard Piqué
Marko Vucinic (Montenegro, Captain):
1. Gianluigi Buffon
2. Andrea Pirlo
3. Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Stefano Andrew (Samoa, Captain):
1. Xabi Alonso
2. Andrea Pirlo
3. Manuel Neuer
Joachim Löw (Germany, Coach):
1. Mesut Özil
2. Manuel Neuer
3. Xavi
Stephen Keshi (Nigeria, Coach):
1. Touré Yaya
2. Didier Drogba
3. Robin van Persie
1. Mesut Özil
2. Manuel Neuer
3. Xavi
Stephen Keshi (Nigeria, Coach):
1. Touré Yaya
2. Didier Drogba
3. Robin van Persie
My favourite :
Captain Algeria - Madjid Bougherra
1. Benzema Karim
2. Messi Lionel
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
Captain Algeria - Madjid Bougherra
1. Benzema Karim
2. Messi Lionel
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
Complete list with names of voters
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/ballond%27or/playeroftheyear%28men%29/01/98/07/84/fboawardmenplayer2012-bycountry.pdf
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/ballond%27or/playeroftheyear%28men%29/01/98/07/84/fboawardmenplayer2012-bycountry.pdf
Can you imagine the corruption if it was a secret ballot
what about the FIFA's nomination of Guardiola as one of the top 3 coaches? Do you think it was fair?
It wasnt voted for by FIFA it was voted by coaches , captains and journalists.
the captain of Georgia voted for Rooney in 1st place!!
Must of been p'ssed and ticked the wrong box next to "Ronaldo"
who the heck is paul abbandonato?
and why does he get to vote?
and why does he get to vote?
It's amazing, isn't it. 2 people I've never met who are/were involved in teams I don't support and live in Spain don't like each other.
I don't know how I managed to survive without knowing this news.
I don't know how I managed to survive without knowing this news.
Nonsense. Stopped reading your post after this. If you put up a heat map of their average positions over the course of a season Ronaldo would be further left and significantly deeper than the more central and advanced Messi.
Why do people try and argue black is white? I can't take you seriously going forward with this sort of drivel.
Dear me, obviously he'd be further to the left but I suggest you go and educate yourself and take a look at the heatmaps, they might open your eyes.
Ronaldo has 1/3 more shots than Messi (yes statistically) yet scores fewer goals and gets fewer assists, perhaps if he converted his pot shots into chances for others he'd start to challenge Messi as the best
Why do people try and argue black is white? I can't take you seriously going forward with this sort of drivel.
Dear me, obviously he'd be further to the left but I suggest you go and educate yourself and take a look at the heatmaps, they might open your eyes.
Ronaldo has 1/3 more shots than Messi (yes statistically) yet scores fewer goals and gets fewer assists, perhaps if he converted his pot shots into chances for others he'd start to challenge Messi as the best
Ronaldo has not been a winger since about 2005
However i thought he deserved to win this award
Considering all matches ,Messi was the best .But if you look at the 3 most decisive games (the 2 legs of the semi & the home v Real match) all i can recall of Messi was missing the penalty v Chelsea.
In the biggest matches ,Ronaldo was at his best when his team needed him most* . In The Euros he was player of the tournament IMO .Doubt Portugal would have got 2pts in the group stage if he'd not been there.
*OK he was poor v Bayern at home ,but even there he scored 2 goals.
However i thought he deserved to win this award
Considering all matches ,Messi was the best .But if you look at the 3 most decisive games (the 2 legs of the semi & the home v Real match) all i can recall of Messi was missing the penalty v Chelsea.
In the biggest matches ,Ronaldo was at his best when his team needed him most* . In The Euros he was player of the tournament IMO .Doubt Portugal would have got 2pts in the group stage if he'd not been there.
*OK he was poor v Bayern at home ,but even there he scored 2 goals.
This award is pointless right now, coz Messi and Ronaldo are so far ahead of the others. They should just have a straight vote between the 2 players.
Messi deserves it for the 91 goals imo, that is just incredible. 2 all-time great players and I think it's brilliant that they play for rival clubs.
Messi deserves it for the 91 goals imo, that is just incredible. 2 all-time great players and I think it's brilliant that they play for rival clubs.
Dza you read my post at all?!
This 91 goals pish is an after the event narrative. The votes were cast in the fall.
Wake up people ffs.
Ronaldo has 1/3 more shots than Messi (yes statistically) yet scores fewer goals and gets fewer assists, perhaps if he converted his pot shots into chances for others he'd start to challenge Messi as the best
Stark raving you are. Not even sure what point you're making. Ronaldo takes more shots yes. But he also takes about 5 times as many shots from range than Messi so you'd expect his conversion rate to be lower. Add to that the speculative shots he takes from freekicks.
But if the benefit did not outweigh the cost to the side significantly Fergie would have stopped him doing so and Mourinho would have stopped him too...not to mention he himself would not be doing it. You can talk about alot of strengths when its comes to Messi and Ronaldo but decision making is right up there as one of the main ones as with all great players.
This 91 goals pish is an after the event narrative. The votes were cast in the fall.
Wake up people ffs.
Ronaldo has 1/3 more shots than Messi (yes statistically) yet scores fewer goals and gets fewer assists, perhaps if he converted his pot shots into chances for others he'd start to challenge Messi as the best
Stark raving you are. Not even sure what point you're making. Ronaldo takes more shots yes. But he also takes about 5 times as many shots from range than Messi so you'd expect his conversion rate to be lower. Add to that the speculative shots he takes from freekicks.
But if the benefit did not outweigh the cost to the side significantly Fergie would have stopped him doing so and Mourinho would have stopped him too...not to mention he himself would not be doing it. You can talk about alot of strengths when its comes to Messi and Ronaldo but decision making is right up there as one of the main ones as with all great players.
I don't give a sh1t when the votes were cast, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that for breaking that record, he deserves an award for being the world's best player. The voting is all biased rubbish from most concerned (Benzema?!), so when it took place doesn't matter to me.
Agree on Ronaldo and his shooting -- if most players could shoot as well as him, they'd hit the same amount of shots.
Bale loves Ronaldo, no surprise about his tweet. He tries to imitate him on the pitch, free-kick technique, long shots etc. Long may it continue, I'll be happy if he turns out to be half the player Ronaldo is.
Agree on Ronaldo and his shooting -- if most players could shoot as well as him, they'd hit the same amount of shots.
Bale loves Ronaldo, no surprise about his tweet. He tries to imitate him on the pitch, free-kick technique, long shots etc. Long may it continue, I'll be happy if he turns out to be half the player Ronaldo is.
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I don't give a sh1t when the votes were cast, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that for breaking that record, he deserves an award for being the world's best player.
Your logic on this is backward and or deliberately obtuse.
My point is a very simple and clear one. The first thing people cite when they say Messi clearly deserved it over Ronaldo is this 91 goal thing.
When the votes were cast this was not a factor. People voted for Messi regardless of the goal record as they have for numerous years.
The question is not is Messi the best player in the world...the question is who was the best player in the period between the last vote and this vote.
Bale thing is spot on and quite funny to see one elite footballer idolise another. I knew I'd seen that freekick pose before...needs to work on the diving though. Can he head a ball?
Roy -- I don't care if he deserved the votes when they were cast. My only point is that he deserves to be named the best player in the world for breaking that record. The reasons why people voted for him at the time don't matter to me, because imo the voting process is all rubbish (numerous examples of it given in this thread). IMO, the right player won, even if the reasons for his votes were total b*llocks at the time.
And Bale is excellent in the air
And Bale is excellent in the air
Well we are arguing two different points although yours only reinforces mine.
In that case Messi should essentially warrant the award next year then considering he set the record after the votes were cast? I thought the vote was based on the previous seasons performance anyhow, a season in which Messi did break Muller's record of 67 goals in a season with 70, so you don't have to consider the calendar year record.
There is no consistency in selection...the goalposts move as and when as long as Messi wins it because he 'is' the best player in the world. One minute it's linked to individual performance as part of a successful team the next it's purely about the individual.
Farce. The. END.
Farce. The. END.
We all know the voting is stupid but at least the winner was correct again. Last season he broke Muller's 67 goal haul and equalled the European Cup goals in a season so for that he deserves it. The season before it was tight, Ronaldo did score more and got the decisive Copa del Rey goal but Messi assisted more, he put Madrid out of the CL and scored in the final.
Strange how they both score for fun in Spain, but do fck all in the World Cup. Playing week in week out against vastly inferior opponents who play for skint clubs. Oh look, barca have won 5-1 again, a majestic messi hat trick against defenders who aren't allowed to tackle and are as organised as harry redknapp on transfer deadline day. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
The game is fked as a competitive sport and I want no more part in it.
Good luck guys, keep swinging those handbags worrying about handshakes and hyped up superstars playing against cheap statues.
The game is fked as a competitive sport and I want no more part in it.
Good luck guys, keep swinging those handbags worrying about handshakes and hyped up superstars playing against cheap statues.
R0y stop this constant crusade to try and prove Ronaldo is on the same level as Messi.
Ronaldo has never had an individual season even close to Messi's last year. If he had and had still not won then you may have a point.
Ronaldo has never had an individual season even close to Messi's last year. If he had and had still not won then you may have a point.
Jan 11, 2013 -- 5:36PM, MC Roller wrote:
Strange how they both score for fun in Spain, but do fck all in the World Cup. Playing week in week out against vastly inferior opponents who play for skint clubs. Oh look, barca have won 5-1 again, a majestic messi hat trick against defenders who aren't allowed to tackle and are as organised as harry redknapp on transfer deadline day. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzThe game is fked as a competitive sport and I want no more part in it.Good luck guys, keep swinging those handbags worrying about handshakes and hyped up superstars playing against cheap statues.
They both score for fun in the CL as well.
Focus on the World Cup all you like but if you do that then you must consider Muller, Forlan etc as the greatest in the world.
Neither Messi or Ronaldo have been in a team yet that can compete at the world cups. If they were part of stromg balanced teams then their goals scoring would continue.
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