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pepe guardiola refuses a handshake with ronaldo
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Fred, kindly check the utd thread. Would like your input on the latest post.
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"The bottom line is that this is turning more into a political election than a sports award"
Can't argue with that. Joachim Low voting for Ozil and Neuer was laughable. I think the Argie manager voted for 3 Argentinians. All a bit silly. But Messi still out performed Ronaldo and broke numerous records. If the goals tally was reversed and Ronaldo had got 91 goals and Messi had still beaten him then Roy would have a point. |
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If you gave all the clubs , fans , managers an opportunity to have Ronaldo or Messi at their club then Messi would win it hands down. It has nothing to do with popularity he is simply the better player.
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I liked the Algerian manager voting for Karim "of Algerian descent" Benzema as the best player in the world. :)
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that doesnt make a whole lot of sense cursor. you re leaving out the contributions of all the other players involved!
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In 2011 the goals tally was almost identical. 60 to Ronaldo, 59 to Messi. Ron won the copa del rey. Messi won la liga, champions league, super cup and world club cup. Surely you can see that Messi had the edge there. In 2012, yes Ronaldo won the league and super cup, and Messi only won the copa del rey but Messi broke every single goalscoring record going, so this would give him the edge individually. |
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Ronaldo is a very good player but lacks that indefinable quality that makes a truly great player
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I disagree. Ronaldo is a truly great player. He's just unfortunate to be playing at the same time as Messi and the Barca golden era.
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I just think people are looking at the number of goals for the defining factor for this award and I fear some deserving players will be overlooked if this trend continues. Sneijder the year Inter won everything more than deserved it for his role on those titles.
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id agree with that cursor. bisco i watched madrid at weekend, ronaldo cant pass a ball 5 yards. that is not a truly great player
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To be considered one of the really great players in history you have to have extreme talent.
But also there has to be something different,something individual about the way you play. This is why players like Best are in some ways greater...they had not been seen before! |
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wallis 10 Jan 13 11:41 Joined: 04 Jan 03 | Topic/replies: 2,500 | Blogger: wallis's blog If you gave all the clubs , fans , managers an opportunity to have Ronaldo or Messi at their club then Messi would win it hands down. It has nothing to do with popularity he is simply the better player Shock horror miss the point of the debate again. |
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lfc1971 10 Jan 13 11:56 Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 910 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog Ronaldo is a very good player but lacks that indefinable quality that makes a truly great player  |
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Likeability I think is what you are looking for LFC.
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Maradona was widely liked and his antics only added to his story, woeful example.
I don't think there has ever been a top top triffic player as widely disliked as Ronaldo. Hated in south america, most of spain, england....etc. |
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roy hes hated cus hes an arrogant cu nt, nothing to do with his talent. messi is far more talented but is liked cus hes not a di ck
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Roy as usual you are just making excuses for not being correct. You are trying to find reasons why Ronaldo didnt win it rather than accept that he is not the best player in the world at the moment which is what the award is for.
Are you suggesting that more clubs would prefer Ronaldo than Messi ? of course not and thats because Messi is the better player. Defending deep , back tracking , not likeable enough , poltical voting are just excuses. |
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Roy not necessarily likeability although Best for all his foibles was someone who was naturally so
To be great you have to be unique...Best Pele,Cruff, Muller, Puskas Maradonna (and Greaves, i have to include!) These players are different.A great artist has his own unique style. |
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"Are you suggesting that more clubs would prefer Ronaldo than Messi ? of course not and thats because Messi is the better player"
Whilst you can't against Messi being the better player, one of Mourinho's good points from the interview is that Ronaldo has now played in 3 countries and been the star of 2 major sides. Messi has only ever played in his Barca 'bubble' with players he's known for his entire adult life. |
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True. In Ronaldos case he moved upwards to a better club each time and got better as a player but any change for Messi is going to be a step down.
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that was a fair point bisco but without messi barca are no wer near the machine they are with him
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I agree with Biscuit. To me Messi will never be as good as Maradona, who single handedly took Argentina to 2 world titles.
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Interesting stats.
1. Out of 162 national team captains that voted, only 15 chose the exact winning combination; ranking Lionel Messi 1st, Cristiano Ronaldo 2nd, and Andrés Iniesta 3rd. Surprisingly, none of the captains of the 40 top teams in the world (according to FIFA), voted for this winning combination. Likewise, only 19 coaches (also out of 162) voted for this combination" 2. Four captains and two coaches did not think any of Messi, Ronaldo or Iniesta were worthy of appearing in their top three 3. In total, 44 voters did not mention Messi in their top three at all; 18 international captains, 13 international coaches, and 13 media representatives. 4. A total of 141 voters did not include Ronaldo in their top three.These include 58 international captains, which means that more than a third (35 percent) of captains omitted Ronaldo from their top three; 47 international coaches, and 36 media representatives. |
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"2. Four captains and two coaches did not think any of Messi, Ronaldo or Iniesta were worthy of appearing in their top three"
Anyone have to hand who these idiots are? |
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It is never a downward step to break away from the norm and challenge yourself...Sadly, the expense of his transfer may rule that out and his desire to stay there, but I am sure he has at least thought about it.
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Iniesta was given the title at the euros as a token, he didnt play that well at all.
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I've found one.
Joachim Low voted for Ozil, Neuer and Xavi as his three. The captain of Palestine voted for Balotelli |
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Everything in Palestine is political
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Hugo Lloris (France, Captain):
1. Iker Casillas 2. Radamel Falcao 3. Didier Drogba Danilevicius Tomas (Lithuania, Captain): 1. Zlatan Ibrahimovic 2. Wayne Rooney 3. Gerard Piqué Marko Vucinic (Montenegro, Captain): 1. Gianluigi Buffon 2. Andrea Pirlo 3. Zlatan Ibrahimovic Stefano Andrew (Samoa, Captain): 1. Xabi Alonso 2. Andrea Pirlo 3. Manuel Neuer |
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Joachim Löw (Germany, Coach):
1. Mesut Özil 2. Manuel Neuer 3. Xavi Stephen Keshi (Nigeria, Coach): 1. Touré Yaya 2. Didier Drogba 3. Robin van Persie |
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Its worse than the European Song Contest!
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My favourite :
Captain Algeria - Madjid Bougherra 1. Benzema Karim 2. Messi Lionel 3. Cristiano Ronaldo |
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Complete list with names of voters
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/ballond%27or/playeroftheyear%28men%29/01/98/07/84/fboawardmenplayer2012-bycountry.pdf |
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Can you imagine the corruption if it was a secret ballot
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what about the FIFA's nomination of Guardiola as one of the top 3 coaches? Do you think it was fair?
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It wasnt voted for by FIFA it was voted by coaches , captains and journalists.
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the captain of Georgia voted for Rooney in 1st place!!
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Must of been p'ssed and ticked the wrong box next to "Ronaldo"
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yeah, he thought he was picking Roonaldo
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