English Premier League. Man City - Man Utd. 13:30 GMT.

I think both defences are awful at the moment so O2.5 looks good! Do we think there is going to be a penalty today? Fergie must have lumped on that anyway!

considering there have been 5 goals in last 6 prem meetings in this fixture I don't think BTTS is free money.

Man Utd back to Lay for me.

Maestro, on ManCity pitch you mean, as 1:6 on MU home soil didn't happen that long ago

sounds like a draw, possible with a draw for Everton spurs will give 13:1. Would also be tempted to add in draw in the west ham game!

Only 1 draw in the last 18 meetings, doubtful

as I said in this fixture...meaning City at home to United

Both defences awful? I suggest you look again ...

I don't think that home pitch has that much meaning in a derby, so unders are dangerous to back anyway here

Dzeko has a phenomenal goal scoring record against Man Utd. Include that with Utd's trouble defending set pieces, it could be something to consider.

Dzeko won't start, been given a number of starts to try and shake off super sub tag and produced nothing. Balotelli much more likely if it's not Aguero and Tevez.

Yeah I think Balotelli will start too. Tevez and Aguero haven't been convincing either.

What about van Persie's record against ManCity?

Yeh none of our 4 strikers are in form so it's a problem. You have to say we have a stronger keeper , defence and midfield but I think they have the better forwards at the moment. Which will make the difference?

I don't think Hart is better than de Jea

Dec 9, 2012 -- 9:52AM, forkinwinner wrote:

Both defences awful? I suggest you look again ...

I said "I think" the defences are awful! Just my opinion! Against decent opposition city have not looked good and man utd don't keep too many clean sheets either! I think overs is a pretty decent bet! That's what I'm using my bet 365 offer on anyway!

Are you basing your opinion on the league or in Europe? If Europe then fine but definitely not in the league.

City's defense has been ok in the EPL, but yeah, MU attack is a little too hard for them to handle

Im basing it against what I class as "decent teams" - again my opinion! I agree it could easily end 1-0 like last year! But also there could be over 2.5 goals if I knew I would be a rich man!

Man city have kept clean sheets against Wigan away, Aston villa home, Chelsea away, and Swansea at home in recent weeks! Only Chelsea I would class as "decent" and wasn't that rafas first game in charge?

Dec 9, 2012 -- 10:46AM, bettingmike8 wrote:

Man city have kept clean sheets against Wigan away, Aston villa home, Chelsea away, and Swansea at home in recent weeks! Only Chelsea I would class as "decent" and wasn't that rafas first game in charge?

Oh and no disrespect to those other teams! I actually thing Swansea are the best passing team in the league! I support Ipswich so they are all better than them!

Ipswich? Are they in League 2 or something now?

Dec 9, 2012 -- 10:49AM, AndrewMat wrote:

Ipswich? Are they in League 2 or something now?

Haha we r getting there

I take the point about the teams played but our defense has been gradually improving. Clichy and Zabaleta must be two of the best full backs in the league, Nastasic has been excellent and Kompany is coming back to form. You could definitely make a strong case for goals today based on United's recent games though.

The past few league derbies at City have ended 1-0, 0-0, 0-1, 0-1, 1-0, 0-1. You'd have to go back to 2006 for the last overs at City in the league. Unders looks a decent bet to me at odds against, as does both teams not to score.

City have been solid at home this season, adding to their formidable record - and there's no shame in being held by their bogey team last time out. United have been picking the points up away, but they were desperately lucky against Chelsea, handed Villa a 2 goal lead and were shambolic defensively against Reading, though the defeat to Norwich doesn't look too bad considering their form. I'm happy with the odds for a City win here.

City tend to get going later in the game - the second half is where the majority of their goals come from. With this in mind I'm happy to play draw/city and more goals to be scored in the second half.

I also like Barry to score first, and anytime. No particular reason tbh, I just think he's quality and want a speculative punt. Minimal stakes of course, and I'll have a little go on the scorecasts at 1-0 and 2-0.

So, to round up, thats under 2.5, both teams not to score, draw/city, city win, more goals in the second half and some scorecasts.


Too many bets for one game, so I'll have a think and only play one or two. Best of luck all.

Goals should come. They really should

This may not be the goalfest that people are expecting.   Man U will surely want to keep it tight. I think 1-1 or 1-0.

I'll confidently back another goal once the first goes in, but so long as it's 0 - 0, I'm not at all certain that we'll see (m)any. At this stage of the season, a draw is an acceptable result for both teams.

Well, I will back 0-0 also for a small punt then

ManCity: Hart - Zabaleta, Company, Nastasic, Kolarov - Yaya Ture, Xavi Garcia, Barry, Silva - Tevez, Aguero

ManUtd: de Jea - Evra, Ferdinand, Evans, Jones - Smolling, Scoles, Carrick - Hernandez, Roonie, van Persie.

that isnt the team mat

De Gea, Rafael, Evra, Ferdinand, Evans, Valencia, Cleverley, Rooney, Carrick, Young, RVP

you only got about 5 players wrong

Balotelli starts

1     J. Hart    
4     V. Kompany    
22     G. Clichy    
5     P. Zabaleta    
33     M. Nastasić    
8     S. Nasri    
18     G. Barry    
21     David Silva    
42     Y. Touré    
16     S. Agüero    
45     M. Balotelli

Andrew - whatever site you got those lineups from, don't bother using it again.

Super Mariooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Dec 9, 2012 -- 12:52PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Andrew - whatever site you got those lineups from, don't bother using it again.

He has either wrote them out himself, or he got them off a website that can't spell half the players names? - I mean Roonie?  haha

Overs , Man Utd 3-0 or 3-1 and unquoted good luck all

Who cares about the players, anyway?
Lets go, ManUtd! My main bet is the lay of ManCity

Blue Moon for me, gl all

Come on, the red devils!

Who cares about the players ? ? ?

links please

first dive of the match from Valencia

Yes, AWOOGA, only profit is important in the end

AndrewMat 09 Dec 12 13:26 
Who cares about the players, anyway?





I'd imagine a lot of people do and it's poor form to post completely wrong lineups

good stuff from City so far

0-1 ffs

YES! 0-1, COME ON!!

0-2

0-2, well, that was an easy profit

Only need 1 more from Man Utd and nice payout guaranteed , so far so good , good luck all

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/157992/3/watch-manchester-city-vs-manchester...

Dec 9, 2012 -- 12:00PM, sofaking wrote:

This may not be the goalfest that people are expecting.

Wow, i was very wrong here.

BTTS in, Ov2.5 in, just Ov3.5 left, as MCity surely not winning this

Overs landed just want another Man Utd goal to secure good profit , cant see Man City winning this but covered 3-2 City just in case

2-2, Ov3.5 landed in style

Well played AM , just want 1 more for either team and in clover but still up either way

2-3, who talked about this being unders of any kind?

Get in there all good , some crazy stuff going on now and I thought my Celtic v Newco games were heated blown the whistle now pleasseee

2-3 FT, bet with me, if you want profit

You beauty 3-2 at 34s woop woop well done AM as well

Thanks, flanny, well done also!

Cheers mate any shouts for the Everton game then , I fancy high scoring in the West Ham game as well any thoughts very much welcome

Well, not an English football expert by any means, Ov1.5 in Everton and laying Liverpool would be my choices

Yep had a sneaky fancy for West Ham not to lose , not much of a view on Evrton game either , well done though , and think I will go over 3s in West Ham game , all the best

Cheers, good luck

Ov1.5 in Everton match landed in style