Zlatan- If ever a game and goal summed a player up this was it

Btw, how is your Berbatov is better than Bergkamp thread going?

His titles were stripped from Juve regards match fixing, so that is an over hyped line 8 in 9 years of whatever....but i do like him, easily by a stretch one of the games finest attackers today + he's a character and does what he wants when he wants.

I know more about the game in my little toe than the collection of mugs on this thread.

I've just seen someone describe John terry as one of the best defenders ever in that thread and no one pulled him up

Thanks R0y

To be fair Roy i seen the Terry comment but given the players you mentioned as over rated it was only a minor detail.

@roy do you not think that the teams he played in may have started as 1st/2nd favourites because he was their main player? Do you think Barca would have paid 40m and Samuel Eto'o if there wasn't something about him? Then again, you must know more than them...

Look at his goal scoring records for all of those clubs, look at his individual medals and awards and have a real think of strikers over the last decade or so that are better than him. He is an amazing player and his arrogance clouds that occasionally, but you simply cannot question his ability

Your over rated thread suggests you know absolutely f*ck all.

I think you should probably re-read it, Terry was described as one of the premier leagues best ever defenders. There certainly haven't been too many better than him over the past few years.
After playing over 500 games for Chelsea in 10-12 years and winning the following, that's a pretty fair assessment and certainly a lot more accurate than your claim that he is over rated.


Premier League (3): 2004–05, 2005–06, 2009–10
FA Cup (5): 2000, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2012
League Cup (2): 2005, 2007
FA Community Shield (2): 2005, 2009
UEFA Champions League (1): 2012

Individual

PFA Player of the Year: 2004–05
FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament: 2006
FIFPro World XI: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
UEFA Club Football Awards Best Defender: 2005, 2008, 2009
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009
Chelsea Player of the Year: 2001, 2006

R0ykeane • November 15, 2012 10:34 AM GMT
I know more about the game in my little toe than the collection of mugs on this thread.


This is how much this mug knows about the game

[b]R0y keane's Updated list of over rated players:
[/b]R0ykeane
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1. Totti
2. Ibrahimovic
3. Van persie
4. Pique
5. Terry
6. Messi- let me put this one in context... he is the joint best in the world but some of the hyperbole around the kid aged 22 after a performance against an arsenal 'defence' was nothing short of embarassing. Not reached zizou's level let alone pele/maradona.

1/6

Sorry Winner missed you. That invalidates the statement at 10.34.

Serious question as I don't know the answer. How many times has he won the champions league? I don't remember any...with that record of league titles and great player that he is I'd expect at least 2 or 3....?

he's won the same amount of champions leagues as RVP, the striker who last week you claimed to be the best striker in the world.

Mes, concentrate now...this is going to be hard for you.

Two years ago they were overrated for a various reasons.

These days of the above only

Totti
Ibra
Pique

remain. Terry aint really rated by anyone these days bar chavski fans.

Oh and tevez

Falcao is the best striker in the World

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he's won the same amount of champions leagues as RVP, the striker who last week you claimed to be the best striker in the world.


None? So to be clear Zlatan has won 9 league in 10, gone into champions league campaigns at the head of champions, in a team as good as Barcelona and won NO champions leagues?!

Very interesting that.

In view of your RVP statement, you obviously don't count CL titles as a requirement in being a great player. Or do you? 

Anyone would think you made things up as you went along just to suit your argument.

R0ykeane • November 15, 2012 10:47 AM GMT
Mes, concentrate now...this is going to be hard for you.
Two years ago they were overrated for a various reasons.
These days of the above only
Totti
Ibra
Pique
remain. Terry aint really rated by anyone these days bar chavski fans.
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You include Pique - who swapped United for Barca

But you choose to omit Van Persie who swapped Arsenal for United


funny that

RVP at the time of your thread was always an injury prone striker, not worthy of inclusion in the first place, including messi, even in the context you provided was ridiculous from the off, having said that I would always have Ronaldo in my team over messi, for reasons I cba to explain, totti agreed, ibra agreed, that's it.

If RVP had entered the champions league 9 times out of 10 (not to mention the other times) at the head of the champions of a national league and also at the head of a barcelona side including messi, xavi, inestia et al and not won at least 1 champions league I'd be thinking something does not add up and would look at it again yes.

I think it says volumes about the player that. And perhaps the leagues he's played in and their strength. Is he perhaps the ultimate flat track bully? Perhaps.

Winning the CL is not the be all and end all - there are a numnber of world class players who havent won it - Zidane (in my opinion the best player I have ever seen) only won it once.

The fact is i opened this thread as the title suggested to me that you would be celebrating WHAT Ibra did last night - love him or hate him, his performance was unbelievably

Roy must be fishing

RVP at the time of your thread was always an injury prone striker, not worthy of inclusion in the first place, including messi, even in the context you provided was ridiculous from the off, having said that I would always have Ronaldo in my team over messi, for reasons I cba to explain, totti agreed, ibra agreed, that's it.

RVP at the time was injury prone and therefore not worthy of his lofty status in the game. If you review said thread you'll see his inclusion was not based on performances.

Messi needed to sustain his performance level (and still does) to be heralded as the greatest player of all time. It was far too early.

Absurdly basic stuff really.

What lofty status? Arsenal fans had almost forgot about him.

Explain Pique, a quality centre half if ever Ii saw one.

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Winning the CL is not the be all and end all - there are a numnber of world class players who havent won it - Zidane (in my opinion the best player I have ever seen) only won it once.

The fact is i opened this thread as the title suggested to me that you would be celebrating WHAT Ibra did last night - love him or hate him, his performance was unbelievably


Sighs....I'm not saying its the be all and end all. I'm saying its odd that a player of this supposed calibre having won all these titles and gone into the champions league in title winning sides has not won the champions league once. Not once.

Has he even been in a final? Again I don't know. That can't be a coincidence. It is the highest level in the game.

With regards to his performance it was good, with 1 exceptional goal. Can't be great because A) England were poor defensively, B) It was a friendly.

So Messi made your over rated players thread even though at the time he was averaging a goal a game, Barca were la liga, european and world club champions and he was the world player of the year.

But in your opinion RVP is now the worlds best striker because he has..............scored a few goals for Arsenal and signed for Man United.

Dawsy would be proud of you.

Roy said....If RVP had entered the champions league 9 times out of 10 (not to mention the other times) at the head of the champions of a national league...

Going by your theory...I presume you think that Ferguson cannot be classified as a 'great' manager with just a paltry two CL titles in 25 years of dominance?

...or indeed...Utd have never produced a 'great side' under him.

Explain Pique, a quality centre half if ever Ii saw one.

Just did and it's not showing. Be **** if I'm typing that out again.

Cliff notes: He can't actually defend and whilst better suited to the teams he plays in due to superior ball playing skills isnt exposed as teams can't get at the defence.

I have NEVER seen anyone OWNED so much on a thred in my life

Give it up ROy it is clear your have 'NO FUKKIN CLUE" what you are on about and to be honest I am getting a little uncomfortable watching you squirm like you are.

What a dummy, perhaps a stooopid picture from your fables archive will save you here though I somewhat doubt it

WAC you are

I can see RPy now screaming at his lappy

"But I am right , it is yooz lot that are wrong ALL of you " arghhhhhhhhh

So funny, but I have to go out now still laughing my face off

lol r0y always puts ronaldo before messi

Anyone who thinks Rooney's goal is better doesn't deserve an opinion on football. Big game yes, but totally mishit it off his shin and luckily flies in top corner. Ibra's strike last night was pure perfection and with the pace on the ball he had to force it

certainly topped my night!
what a goal!!!!!!!!!
entertaining game to the last
all my bets came up inc. "belgian bill" and jim crowley on the last at kempers
a fact which is unusual for me!

ROy has rightly scuttled off under a rock and let this thred die as he was looking a bigger t1t than ever ( if that is possible )

If ever proof was needed this shows the forum clown knows fukkall about the game , zero / nada / nicht / zilch

Spends his days trawling the net for silly pictures to add to his pathetic library but none could save him from being owned and battered on this thread



& don't get me started on his "over rated" thread , that is the work of a comedy genius

R0y has become a bigger laughing stock than Dawsey at his peak.

I dunno

I might require a print

But dawsey is silly boy for sure but ROy tries to be a clever fukker and ends up looking a right twaat just about every time he posts and like I have said before anyone who works as hard as he has to collect a library of pictures aimed solely at taking the pish is a no life having mug.

R0ys argument on Pique has so many holes it is laughable.

Fact is he has a World Cup medal (as part of best defence in tournament), has a CL (as part of best defence in tournament) and has been named twice in a row in the FIFA pro teams of 2010 and 2011.

Yet R0y knows better supposedly.

Another point R0y, stop saying players are not on 'Messi and Ronaldos level'.

Those two are not on the same level as each other, despite you desperate attempts to make it seem so.

Messi is street ahead of Ronaldo.

He will be working on a smart arse "retort" as we speak or looking for a "funny as cancer" picture to lob your way

You really would struggle to find anyone on here who claims to be so smart yet actually is clueless

There are many a fisherman or forumites who like a barney but this muggett actually believe the guff he posts and see's himself on another level somehow

He is on another level but not as he thinks, I doubt he bets because he would be broke in a nanno second

Bellus Endus

My take on him

I'm of the opinion 90% of us thought he was overrated 2 or 3 seasons ago, thing is we saw him play 2 or 3 times a season. He was lays hyped up and never seemed to perform on the big games "went missing" problem is he must have been having 40 good games a season we didn't see. His record tells us this.
Gets a move to barca and although his record still nearly a goal every two with lots of these games from the bench. We all have that smug feeling when it doesn't work out and he's loaned out to Milan ."knew he wasn't all that, told you he was sh1t never seen him have a good game"

Thing is for the last 3 or so seasons hes been performing to all this hype in just about every televised game he's played in. And that never seen him have a good game label is long gone. The honest amongst us can accept we called it Wong for 8 or so years.
The pig headed amongst were still saying he was overrated before last night.

But if after last night you can't admit you were wrong for ten years then have a little word with yourselves. Tell yourselves is ok to make mistakes you can change your opinion about somebody. Otherwise you will keep on lying to yourselves and eventually sound like a muppet

Ibra isn't wasn't and never will be overrated

Oh my word, words fail me.

That's because you know you need to have a little word.
It's ok Mes it will do you good
I too took to long to except I was wrong about him so you're in decent company.
Deep breath swallow your pride, except he's an exceptional talent and you'll feel much better about yourself.

You english mugs Zlatan is top 3 in the world today I hope you guys have eyes too see with:)

I think some people have no idea what "over-rated" actually means. Ibra is far from over-rated, because most people only ever seem to go on about how he goes "missing" or some such rubbish.

dsmith 15 Nov 12 21:48 Joined: 04 Apr 08 | Topic/replies: 12,380 | Blogger: dsmith's blog
That's because you know you need to have a little word.
It's ok Mes it will do you good
I too took to long to except I was wrong about him so you're in decent company.
Deep breath swallow your pride, except he's an exceptional talent and you'll feel much better about yourself.


You doughnutyou're mesmerised by a one off performance in a friendly is a dead atmosphere against England's B list, as pointed out by many correspondents, another sheep.

Lol you are very much mistaken about who the sheep are in this particular debate.
Anyway it's old news now. It's text book stuff which forumites would disregard their own opinion in favour of deliberate ignorance.
You an Roy done up like a pair of kippers

You are the same great big t!t that was worshipping Jermaine Jenas the other week ffs, you've as much credence as Nick Lesson does applying for a job in a bank

You've jumped on the bandwagon along with all the other sheep because it fits in nicely with your "one of the gang" mentality, #weak.

Lol all this anger and ignorance only serves a purpose to making you sound like a bitter under achiever #sadbuttrue

bite

Lol beat me to it
In me back pocket

I couldn't fit in your back pocket, you'd struggled to slide a 10 pence coin through there

You're devoting too much time to slagging off Zlatan mesmerised. Get a better hobby he's a gun whether you care to admit it or not. Has been for a long time, all and sundry know it except you for some reason.

It's like if some Italian dude 3/4 years ago had only seen CR play a few CL games for man utd a season, a few internationals, he'd be saying the same thing we all did about him as we did about ibra. "Don't know what all the hype is""I've never seen him have a good game" yet of course we all know ronaldos man utd career was nothing short of brilliant. The same must have been for ibras earlier career. It's just that us doubters missed it. He didn't on Wednesday night become this world class superstar he's alway been it

Ibra my fav player shows all his critics how much they really know, shows what hes capable of when he wants, shows hes a champion.

Good to see mesmerised is still going. Contradicted himself so many times yesterday i'm surprised he actually still knows what he's arguing about.

fekking great goal, would any english player do that?

no.

Biscuit show me where I contradicted myself, I'm not going to argue with you considering you post for a living

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 13:25 
everyone that takes a shot at goal means it to hit the net

mesmerised Joined: 10 Nov 10
how was that unique? it could so easily have gone anywhere, he got lucky     

So either he meant it to hit the net or it was lucky?


mesmerised 15 Nov 12 10:25 
problem being it was a hit and hope effort on goal, all back to goal, goals are, are they not

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 13:40
Rooney's goal was better but he was in a much tighter position surrounded by player with the ball comning to his feet at a much faster pace

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 13:40
With Crouch's goal he at least knew where both the players in front of him were along with the goal, and still mange to sore an incredible goal at an incredible tight angle


So Ibra's was a back to goal hit and hope lucky goal but Rooneys back to goal wasn't and it was a good goal?
And Crouch's was an incredible goal from an incredible tight angle, yet Ibra's from virtually the exact same spot on the pitch was a hit and hope lucky goal.

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:02
I watch alot of Spanish and Italian football and he always flatter to deceive

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:17 
it's easy to be player of the year in serie a

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:37 
he's done very well in serie a in terms of honours and goals

So does he flatter to deceive or has he done very well?

Interestingly previous winners of this 'easy to win' award include Ronaldo, Totti, Zidane and Kaka. Ibra has won this award more times than all of them, yet funnily you include all of them on your greatest players of the past decade list but not Ibra.

Not one to get involved in forum squabbles, but that evidence is damning.

very damning!!

R0y keane has for once made a point worth noting and at least questioning, this alone has taken me by suprise as his "thoughts" that he likes to note down on here often should be banished to the depths of hell where no man can read them..but thats another story for another thread....

Now the question marks over incredible talent has always resulted around the champions league and may have wondered why he never seemed to score enough...I will come back to that..

First of, no matter how badly Italian football has slipped over the last few years, it is still an elite league to play in.. Thinking football on the world wide scale and how many play it, to play in a top league you automically enter the tiny tiny percentage of elite players....in context of the global game would it even add up to 1%? So here we have a player who has year on year dominated in an elite category, season by season consistent but I disagree with you Roy when you say just a youtube player popping up scoring wonder goals every now and then..The way he plays he is a constant annoyance because of his strength and fight, link up play, he does have every string to his bow.

Now when it comes to the champions league he admitted himself when he was younger he was not bothered when he lost as he believed he would win it again. As he has gotten older I think as well as many others its not the same man when playing, he is to tense, dropping to deep often playing as a playmaker linking the play for both milan clubs in the comp just to be involved. At Barca it didnt work out...But to judge on champion leagues alone is incorrect. Over a season at club football is the best and toughest judge of a player imo and he has been consistent year in year out. Is he up there with Messi and Ronaldo...well he's not far of and imo has almost as much natural ability as Messi and much more than Ronaldo.

You sad pathetic little man biscuit how you claim to have a full time job and have the time do all that I'll never know

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 13:25 
everyone that takes a shot at goal means it to hit the net
mesmerised Joined: 10 Nov 10
how was that unique? it could so easily have gone anywhere, he got lucky     

So either he meant it to hit the net or it was lucky?


lol are you a bit dense? how is that a contradiction, he obviously wanted to score - which means hitting the net - but it a lucky because it was an empty net with no defence and like I've said before 999/1000 he would of missed, that's lucky he got this one, if you can't understand that than I can help you.
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mesmerised 15 Nov 12 10:25 
problem being it was a hit and hope effort on goal, all back to goal, goals are, are they not

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 13:40
Rooney's goal was better but he was in a much tighter position surrounded by player with the ball comning to his feet at a much faster pace

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 13:40
With Crouch's goal he at least knew where both the players in front of him were along with the goal, and still mange to sore an incredible goal at an incredible tight angle


So Ibra's was a back to goal hit and hope lucky goal but Rooneys back to goal wasn't and it was a good goal?
And Crouch's was an incredible goal from an incredible tight angle, yet Ibra's from virtually the exact same spot on the pitch was a hit and hope lucky goal.


Rooney's goal was better because the ball was coming to his feet at pace and had to connect with it in a tight angle surrounded by quality defenders - I already aid even his wasn't that good because it came off his shin but better than Ibrahmovic's, if you can't understand that I can help you.
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mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:02
I watch alot of Spanish and Italian football and he always flatter to deceive

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:17 
it's easy to be player of the year in serie a

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:37 
he's done very well in serie a in terms of honours and goals

So does he flatter to deceive or has he done very well?

Interestingly previous winners of this 'easy to win' award include Ronaldo, Totti, Zidane and Kaka. Ibra has won this award more times than all of them, yet funnily you include all of them on your greatest players of the past decade list but not Ibra.

That's not a contradiction that is you doing what you always do because your argument is always wafer thin. Totti I don't rate for starters the rest I do, he has won the award in a league that is not up to standard - even their fourth champions league place has gone to germany, he's been cack every time he's come to England (bar once)and never made a great impact in Spain, scored a few goals but the quality was evident to see in comparison with his teammates, why did he he stay in italy for so long? he would have been found out in the top leagues - not fixed/ scandal ridden leagues like serie a, it suited him.

It's very simple biscuit, but because you so dense you need explaining to over and over again.

People are praising him all day long and I'm pretty sure they've never seen him in more than 10-20 full games in their lives, can't do it in the champions league where the big boys play either.

Now de-construct that Mr forum anorak.

I'm amazed you're still here mesmerised, plenty of other forumites would've simply just left after being shown up for their rambling, so for that i give you credit.

However i have no wish to continue discussing football with someone who thinks Mario Gotze and Antonio di Natale have been better players over the past 10 years than Ibrahimovic. And someone who also thinks that Arsenal are still in with a shout of winning the league this season.

An impressive (and amusing) rant nevertheless though, but i shall leave you with the words of a not-so-wise forumite, perhaps you should listen to him.

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 13:25 
What makes me laugh is that, when people are floundering, they being to rely on insults as a way to make their point seem more prevalent, as if losing your rag makes your view right because you're more passionate about it - stick to the facts.


Quite. Have a nice day mes.

mesmerised have you seen the film "Idiocracy" Its a comedy about 2 people who hibernate for 500 years and come back to a world of very dumb people.The reason is that each generation is getting less clever or capable of logical thought and argument than the previous.Think about it.

You may be ahead of your time by a few hundred

a great player is ibra, he carried milan for the last two years and now that he aint there anymore they look pony

even at the tender age of 16 zlatan showed an abundance of shrewdness when rejecting a move to arsenal........he knows mediocrity when he sees it

Then why are still posting? because you're still trying to de-tangle the tail caught between your legs, I've made my points clearly, disagree by all means, but to continue to embarrass yourself is hard to watch.

You joined Betfair exactly six days after me but you've posted 28,000+ times mores.

Take a break mate. You need it.

I really do think that this Zlatan thing has been utterly flogged to death.

Some think it's a great goal, others not.

Some think him a great player, others not, but ffs change the record.

Mesmerised...You have stated on more than one occasion that you are bored with the subject, and will say no more, but here you are harping on like Frank Carson with his nadgers in a deep fat fryer.

Give it a rest.

"It is easy to convince others,so difficult to convince yourself" Oscar Wilde

Good advice maggot

Is he up there with Messi and Ronaldo...well he's not far of and imo has almost as much natural ability as Messi and much more than Ronaldo.

Pmsl. DZA...don't know where you frequent not to see he is totally overrated but this is the sort of gibberish you read time and time again.

He should not be mentioned anywhere near Ronaldo and Messi....not even close.

Does he have as much natural ability..? That is a closer question but then you could start including the likes of Berbatov as the most talented in the premiership...does not make him the best.

Zlatan grossly overrated. This is as close to fact as opinion gets.

Regards,

R0y.

Berb and him, to even suggest they're comparable shows a total lack of understanding for the game. One is an elite champion player, the other performed at Spuds, and while at Man U were if he had it in him he would have starred but he simply didnt. Berb is a big fish in a small pond, Zlatan is a big fish in a big pond.

However, I would wager big money you have never really watched him apart from the glancing European games and

this is where you grow your feble opinion on certain players. Do you agree or disagree with my point on how to truly judge a player, that being consistent club season form? Your answer to this should be enough to know whether you're worth speaking to any more on the subject

If you try making sense I might be able to respond.

Re the berba/zlatan comparison it's fairly basic stuff.

Berba did not fail at utd based on his talent. There is a strong argument that he has more talent than Rooney for example but will never be the better player.

If you can digest this simple notion you may be worth speaking more to on this subject.

forza ibra, beastttt

while at Man U were if he had it in him he would have starred but he simply didnt

If he had it in him......ie fight, spirit etc,

re berba/zlatan is not basic stuff. Zlatan has been a game changer for a number of top level clubs his whole career, berba performed to that level at an average level spurs team and now at he seems to be doing so at the might of fulham hth's but DID NOT have it in him to truely fight to make it at Man U.. Are you telling me the if Zlatan was at Man U, he would not have the fight, the spirit to make it as he sure as hell does have the talent.

I'm not making a direct comparison.

I'm simply stating ability alone does not make a player.

Nobody sane can dispute the boy has ability but he's not even remotely as good as he should be with that ability.

His cult following however are happy to feed off the scraps they get.

I'm basing my opinion on around 40 full matches in various leagues, in various sides and various competitions over various years. 40....more than enough to work out how good a player is. Perhaps I've just managed to catch his 40 worst performances. I suspect not though.

If ever a thread summed a mug up this was it

R0ykeane 16 Nov 12 15:08 
I'm basing my opinion on around 40 full matches in various leagues, in various sides and various competitions over various years. 40....more than enough to work out how good a player is. Perhaps I've just managed to catch his 40 worst performances. I suspect not though.






Well seeing as he was Serie A's player of the year for 3 years running that he played there, set a Barcelona club record, scored the winner in a classico, made the Euro 2012 team of the tournament and is currently the top scorer in France i'd suggest that probably isn't far off.

I never said it did, I even agreed with you on that as why Berba failed at United yet to decided to jump the gun on on without really reading my post it seems.
Well you're trying to tell us you watched 40 games with him involved and he in that time did not have a good game? Startling revelation when you consider his personal awards for season performances throughout his career.   

The problem we English have is we see a foreign player with a fancy name, with real skills that has never played in England and we like to cling onto any ledge we can and call them the over rated foreigner..If he played in this league he would destroy every defence in it, including every tlented foreigners worst nightmare......the cavemen from Stoke..He would laugh at the likes of Wilkinson and Shawcross as they lay crumbled into bits on the floor around him  once he had crushed them. It is however unlikely he will move now considering his age and contract but it would have been a joy to watch him perform every week in the premiership

Good point Oracle, most of his detractors are probably the same people who used to say that Messi wasn't the worlds best because he'd never played here and how would he cope against Stoke. Well i think we saw the other night how Ibra would cope against Shawcross!

The same people who think Falcao isn't one of the worlds best strikers because he hasn't played here. Even though he absolutely destroyed an English team last time he played against them.

Has there ever been a worse judge of player on this forum than R0y?

Dawsey maybe when he is fishing... but thats about it.

Football

Arsene left with Swede nothing

THAT'S GUNNER HURT ... Zlatan Ibrahimovic poses in Arsenal shirt - but he felt snubbed by Arsene Wenger
By CLIFF HAYES
Last Updated: 16th November 2012
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THIS is how close Arsenal came to signing Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
The super striker posed in a No 9 Gunners shirt 12 years ago after meeting boss Arsene Wenger to discuss a move from Swedes Malmo.
But Ibrahimovic, now 31, revealed: “Arsene gave me the No 9 shirt with Ibrahimovic on it and I was so pleased.
“So then I waited for him to convince me that I should join. But he didn’t even try.
“He never actually made me a serious offer, it was more, ‘I want to see how good you are. Have a trial.’ I couldn’t believe it.”
Arsenal had agreed a £3million fee with Malmo but Ibrahimovic was so angry he stormed out of the Arsenal training ground.
Ibrahimovic went to Ajax instead and Arsenal signed Francis Jeffers from Everton for £8m. The rest, as they say, is history...


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4647108/Arsene-Wenger-let-Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-get-away.html#ixzz2CP7VrTTr

LMFAO Good old Wenger

Well you're trying to tell us you watched 40 games with him involved and he in that time did not have a good game?


Jesus wept.

Where have I said that. I have seen him have good games, average games and poor games in that 40. That's the point. I was joking when I said perhaps I've seen him in his 40 worst games. Seen him at his best and at his worst. Not sold.

Someone like Aguero who is a significantly better striker does not have nearly the same hysteria around him. It's laughable really.

I thought ( as posted earlier ) that you at least had the brains to let this go as you have been OWNED like an old coat here

But it seems you really are the thicket everyone here agrees you are and none of your silly pictures or **** one liners will save you here dopey.

Have the grace to know when you are beaten you clown and retire to your bedsit.

Your ignorance and lack of knowledge is breathtaking , simply breathtaking and like I said earlier I actually feel sorry for you here squirming around likea fish in a bucket.

What a Catastrophic MUG , it is now clear you don't even watch football.

What was your previous forum name 'Ed'? You sound not only clueless but very angry. I can only conclude you were intellectually crushed in a previous forum form.

Do tell.

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Sorry but one post too many from the forum clown

Decided uneducated Pork is best ignored

Live long dipshiit

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R0y,Edward previously posted under the name Zippiethehippie,That may ring a bell.

Thanks, it all makes sense now.

http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/28728115/what-or-...

What was your previous forum name 'Ed'? You sound not only clueless but very angry. I can only conclude you were intellectually crushed in a previous forum form.

Do tell.




Zippie...............the................seething................hippie......

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Roy you do seem quite the serious chap so I didn't equate it possible you made a joke. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion know matter how wrong they can be and you have proven time and time again to be a gem at that.  Just so I can laugh one last time and I will leave you alone, who is a better player, Rooney or Zlatan? I know what you will say but I want a last laugh

This is what happens when you start a relevant thread. It's the previous 18000 posts that people will remember.95% just think you are a cu nt.

Great thread R0y, I agree with every word you have said btw.

To answer Oracle's question - Rooney is obviously the better player. I can't see Zlatan scoring 30 goals  a yeasr in the PL like Wayne does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-FbSgIU7E

Dawsey you have many talents but this is your best effort yet, you wrote a very good song, add your stage name and song name choice you nailed it. congrats

How many people were talking about Zlatan before the england friendly?

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He was pretty much unknown before the game, embarrassing that people thing he's the very best right noe

Never did I think I'd see the day when I'd find myself in full agreement with R0ykeane, there have been times when we've disagreed that the sky is blue and grass is green just for the sake of it but the fact we're coming at this from the same angle speaks volumes.

I would put my life savings on the fact that most people putting him up on a pedestal with genuine footballing God's such as Messi, Ronaldo and Henry - have never seen more than 20 full games of his, they've seen snippets here and there and because it's fashionable - they're jumping on the "Ibra is World Class" bandwagon after one poxy game in a friendly against a genuinely shyte England team including the likes of Shawcross and Cleverely.

Don't quote stats of his, stats can mean whatever people want them to mean when it suits them, player of the year in Italy ? try being player of the year in Spain or England in leagues where you have to put a shift in to actually look good. Try winning the champions league and starring in that winning campaign, try putting in world class performances for Swende against top side in a world cup, Not swan around for 85 minutes and pop up with a wonder goal. Greatness is in consistency, there are no great inconsistent players - not genuinely great players anyhow.

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Rooney or Zlatan? I know what you will say but I want a last laugh

By a fair distance Wayne Rooney. Rooney can be patchy but over the course of a season he'll give you far more than Ibra.

Put it this way, if you lined up the 100 best coaches in the game and asked them to pick one or the other the voting would be something like 71 versus 29.

Which again sums up how overrated he is. No one is talking about Rooney as being the best striker on the planet or in the same sphere as Ronaldo and Messi.

Question back at you...who is the better player, Ibra or Aguerro?

You might wonder why I'm using Aguerro...its basically so I can't be accused of bias. This will tell me everything I need to know about you.