Zlatan Ibrahimovic's Goal

great technique, problem being it was a hit and hope effort on goal, all back to goal, goals are, are they not,

not the case,a footballer rarely has to look at the goal,it is instinctive a natural abilty nothing to do with hit and hope

instinctive for him to score an overhead goal from 25 yards out, back to goal -not knowing where the defence is?

I think he's overrated by too many people, would he make your top 20 - of his generation?

He was adle to know almost exactly where the defence were. This is something instinctive that a lot of very good players have.Players have a natural feel for this

Answer this.

If he tried that 100 times - how many times do you think he'd score it - I would hazard a guess at ONE.

He's a fraud who wouldn't get into anyone's first choice 11 in the last 12 years, his record in Italy is good because it's a pedestrian league, he couldn't cut it at Barca where they shipped him out after a year and now he hides in the doldrums of French football.

Yes that is the point,maybe he could do it again and maybe not.But the fact remains that very few players could do this and of those few an even smaller percentage would successfully do it

You have never really seen a goal like this before,like Van Bastens

Easily Top 20 of his generation mes.

The best 'big man' in the game, and his generation, by a distance. Clubs pay a lot of money for quality big men. Hell, some clubs pay massive money for a sh1t 'big man' up front.

He wins the league everywhere he goes. If you sign him...you win the league. It's almost a given.

The goal itself is beyond reproach...to call it a hit and hope is nothing but fishery

I can't think of another elite player who could have pulled that off or even had the ego to attempt it (that's not to say there isnt).

Wow.

But as Mes says, with ability like that we should be talking about an all time great. Instead he's like an global le tiss. Scores a cracker every now and then and feeds his cult followers.

Roy the point you make about ego is true because ther was the possibility it would go embarrasingly wrong. And you can see how he had time to think about what he was going to do. That is part of its greatness

lfc1971 • November 15, 2012 10:47 AM GMT
You have never really seen a goal like this before,like Van Bastens



Ooh dear lord, please tell me you didn't just say that, I'll give you the opportunity to retract that statement that given it's early still and your brain is probably still waking up, I could roll off a list of 50 goals off the top of my head better than Ibra's goal - starting with..Peter Crouch's goal for Stoke last year v Man City por ejemplo - now that was off the top draw, Ibra's was hit and hope - have I said that already

There are only a few things in football that are unique and had never been seen before.Van Bastens goal is one(i could explain why)the Cruff turn another.The way Pele dummied the Perivian goalkeper 1970 another AND THIS GOAL

Easily Top 20 of his generation mes.
The best 'big man' in the game, and his generation, by a distance. Clubs pay a lot of money for quality big men. Hell, some clubs pay massive money for a sh1t 'big man' up front.
He wins the league everywhere he goes. If you sign him...you win the league. It's almost a given.


As an arsenal fan, I'm disappointed in your eye for a player if you think he's in the top 20 of the last 12 years - not only that, I or shall I say we, could both name a few Arsenal players of years gone by above and beyond anything Ibra's so called talent has produced. And we're just one club.

There are only a few things in football that are unique and had never been seen before.Van Bastens goal is one(i could explain why)the Cruff turn another.The way Pele dummied the Perivian goalkeper 1970 another AND THIS GOAL

how was that unique? it could so easily have gone anywhere,m he got lucky - do you watch alot of Italian, spanish football - he fluffs all the time, this one came off as Roystons said only his ego allows him to try audacious shots, this one just so happened to have come off.

Mes you dont understand.It is impossible for a goal requiring this technique to just come off! It requires an almost supernatural ability. This is something that can not be fluked

Supernatural ability?

am I being fished, I doth my cap to you sir.

I give up if you dontwant to learn

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Roy the point you make about ego is true because ther was the possibility it would go embarrasingly wrong. And you can see how he had time to think about what he was going to do. That is part of its greatness

I don't think, with his ability to volley a ball, there was ever a chance it was going to be an embarrassing effort. Worst case senario there was one of those...'what a goal that would have been moments'.

What I liked best about it is once hart's **** up you can see his mind working, he has a perfect picture of the situation and every single detail...the elevation required..the defenders the lot.

Wonder goal.

At last someone who can see what was required to score this goal

He's a bit like Cantona was, bit of an image, struts around, looking a bit moody, pops up with the odd wonder strike, lucky or not, and then he has googly eyed onlookers pretending to know about football - salivating over his every move. Other than in his own delusional mind, he won't be remembered a a great - fact.

you have a bulging net here mesmerised,nice catch sir.....well done

not fishing scaredmoney. I've aid for time now he's overrated, nobody has yet to prove me wrong.

Nothings funnier this morning that listening to the complete mugs saying "it was a friendly so it doesnt really count".  As if while the ball was in the air Zlatko thinks 'its only a friendly I might as well have a go'

Idiots.

I tell a lie , there is something funnier - the betfair vote on which is the best goal Zlatkos or Rooneys v Man City.

One is a strike you might never see again in your lifetime , the other a ten-a-penny shin volley.

The thing is mesmerised, there have been loads of great volleys and overhead kicks over the years, Crouch as you say, Scholes got one at Villa, Shearer for Newcastle, Rooney etc etc, but because this goal was so unique, never been seen before, it has a rightful claim to be one of the best goals.

I've never seen anything like it......and i've been on this planet a fair few years.

It will have a long life in my memory bank.

It's the debate that's splitting football, that's for sure - On one side we have the likes of Ronald Koeman, Fabio Capello, Roberto Mancini, Joan Laporta, Leonardo and Carlo Ancelotti that seem to rate the fellow, but on the other side that opinion is clearly outweighed by the disdain of perennial forum fukcwit, mesmerised.

what do that bunch of over rated prima donna's know

Nov 15, 2012 -- 11:45AM, HRH The Lager Khan wrote:

It's the debate that's splitting football, that's for sure - On one side we have the likes of Ronald Koeman, Fabio Capello, Roberto Mancini, Joan Laporta, Leonardo and Carlo Ancelotti that seem to rate the fellow, but on the other side that opinion is clearly outweighed by the disdain of perennial forum fukcwit, mesmerised.

You dipstick, you know nothing about football - he never stayed anywhere for too long, they all saw sense, overrated, now get back in your box

There must be hundreds and hundreds of volleys attempted in the english leagues every week so its inevitable that some are going to fly in and look brilliant like Crouchs. What we saw last night was a player execute not only a fantastic goal but also attempt something rarely ever seen - thats what makes it such a great goal. It has a WOW factor. Almost every football fan who saw that goal last night had a double-take of "how the hell did he do that !!!".    Then the smart arses analyse for hours afterwards and come to the conclusion that its a fluke or it doesnt count as it was a friendly or that he would never pull that off again- do me a favour.

Its a wonderful moment of genius that is unlikely to be repeated and should be treated as such.

Good post Wallis. You can apply the 'it could have gone anywhere' to any shot, the fact it didn't was becuase it was executed perfectly.

The fact that it was in a meaningless friendly shouldn't take anything away from the technique and the sheer opportunism of the man.

Nov 15, 2012 -- 11:52AM, mesmerised wrote:

Nov 15, 2012 -- 11:45AM, HRH The Lager Khan wrote:It's the debate that's splitting football, that's for sure - On one side we have the likes of Ronald Koeman, Fabio Capello, Roberto Mancini, Joan Laporta, Leonardo and Carlo Ancelotti that seem to rate the fellow, but on the other side that opinion is clearly outweighed by the disdain of perennial forum fukcwit, mesmerised.You dipstick, you know nothing about football - he never stayed anywhere for too long, they all saw sense, overrated, now get back in your box

4 years at Ajax, 2 at Juve and left them because they got relegated for match fixing. then 3 years at Inter. Just because he moves around doesn't mean he's overrated. Rather, it's far more likely he wanted a new challenge having won league after league with each of those clubs. And there is always another top club with the resources to buy another top player interested but they chose him. But of course you know better than all the managers who signed him. Clown

ZI basically had an overhead kick into an empty net. Keeper nowhere to be seen and nobody on the line. No doubt the tecnique was of the highest order, but not 'best goal ever' imo.

yes, great goal but anyone who's played the game at a decent level will tell you that Rooneys against Man City was better.

Blackrock knows.

Wallis whose clearly missing Gromit.
Then the smart arses analyse for hours afterwards and come to the conclusion that its a fluke or it doesnt count as it was a friendly or that he would never pull that off again- do me a favour


Said straight away it was lucky, could one gone anywhere - shall I tell why it was lucky - because he doesn't do it every week therefore it can be construed as being 'one off' or a fluke - he is inconsistency personified.

lurka

I think the clown is the person who comes up with as weak a justification for his 'moving on' status as you, yet another poster who can't string together conherant statements without sounding angry.

yes, great goal but anyone who's played the game at a decent level will tell you that Rooneys against Man City was better.


agreed.

"its lucky because he doesnt do it every week"  jaysus..

Regular Fries already answered that for you - volleys can go anywhere just like Rooneys 'shinner' that didnt even hit his foot but went in. You might as well write off every great goal ever scored unless the same person does it again to prove that the first wasnt luck.

Your problem Mes (along with many others) is that you cant separate your opinion of the player from the goal. If that had been Rooney you would have had the kleenex out along with a lot of other Man U fans declaring it as the best goal ever.  You are obviously not a fan of Ibra (neither am I) but you are letting it cloud your judgement and you are looking for reasons NOT to appreciate the goal.

The argument that it was lucky because it could've gone anywhere is a poor one. Any player who has ever hit a volley, could've hit it anywhere.

Rooney doesn't score flying over head kicks every week and his shot could've gone anywhere but it didn't, it went in so it was a great goal.

To turn the argument round, Zlatan saw the keeper off his line, reacted in a split second, hit an over head kick and the ball went exactly where he wanted it to go. You've no rightful claim to call it lucky when the ball went exactly where he meant it to go.

I have very few problems, I am the voice of reason a I demonstrate on a regular basis - I haven't said it was a bad goal, I've said it was a lucky goal,, what part of that are people struggling with, nobody can argue that scoring a goal with your back to it, not knowing fully where the defence is, is worth of such admiration, he took a punt and it paid off - and that my friends is exactly what is was, a punt, IMVHAHO.

What makes me laugh is that, when people are floundering, they being to rely on insults as a way to make their point seem more prevalent, as if losing your rag makes your view right because you're more passionate about it - stick to the facts. Fact is, it wouldn't make the top 30 goals of all time in any one's list unless they were born in the last 24 hours.

You've no rightful claim to call it lucky when the ball went exactly where he meant it to go.

I have every right, everyone that takes a shot at goal means it to hit the net, his shot was no different and many a better goal has been scored - in matches that actually matter - and where it's not 'hit and hope' because that is exactly what it was.

Agreed. The claim that its 'lucky' when in a split second the guy manages to assess the situation, the whereabouts of the goal and then hit it with enough power and accuracy to score is laughable.

People hit volleys week after week and everyone could name 3 or 4 off the top of their heads that they prefer but you will struggle to think off anything to come close to last nights goal.

Im not saying its the greatest goal ever but finding fault in it is just ridiculous.

Mes , you contradict yourself so often youre in danger of bumping into yourself.

Back up your point wallis otherwise it's redundant.

Heres an example for you.

[b]everyone that takes a shot at goal means it to hit the net, his shot was no different[/b] and many a better goal has been scored - in matches that actually matter - and where it's not 'hit and hope' because that is exactly what it was.

so everyone that takes a shot means it to hit the net but in his case its a 'hit and hope' so his shot doesnt count ?????


Mes the fact that you have started another thread trying to find 45 players better than Ibra and have named the likes of Mata in it speaks volumes.

Football at its best is an artform. And like any artform..music, painting,literature not everybody has the same capacity to appreciate or understand it.With music for example you might say it is down to taste and everyones opinion is equal.But it is not.A Van Goth painting will always be a masterpiece even if thousands of people say its not. The fault is with them and not the painting. They do not have the capability to understand.This is the situation with this goal.There are those who will not be able to understand the difference between this goal and say Rooneys or Croachs or many others.That is their loss.

mesmerised - what are your thoughts on Rooney's over head kick v Man city?

"I could roll off a list of [b]50 goals off the top of my head better than Ibra's goal - starting with..Peter Crouch's goal for Stoke last year v Man City por ejemplo - now that was off the top draw, Ibra's was hit and hope"[/b] 

His goal against Italy was a back to goal, goal, could have gone anywhere, not intentional, basically another hit and hope, just much closer.

Ibras goal was a masterpiece,it will stand bejond criticism

great technique, problem being it was a hit and hope effort on goal, all back to goal, goals are, are they not,


like Rooneys or Crouchs ?

You're twisting things wallis to suit your own argument - which clearly holds no water. I'll simplify it for you so there's no confusion -

-The technique was good
-The goal was not a bad goal
-The goal was a lucky goal
-If he tried it a thousand times it would fail 99 times.

and mata is in the 40-45 range FWIW.

With Crouch's goal he at least knew where both the players in front of him were along with the goal, and still mange to sore an incredible goal at an incredible tight angle.

Rooney's goal was better but he was in a much tighter position surrounded by player with the ball comning to his feet at a much faster pace, but not the best over head kick I've ever seen given it came off his shin.

When a goal comes off a players shin it can never be considered a great goal

I fail to see how the four points you've made dont apply to Crouch and Rooney especially as you say that Rooneys came off his shin which surely makes it a fluke as he didnt intend to shin it into the net.

Wallis it is impossible to make mes understand.People have different abilities to appreciate these things

-If he tried it a thousand times it would fail 99 times.


999 times

it was a good goal.. but it wasn't a beautiful goal...the fact that there was no keeper to guard the net cheapens the goal

granted..his control and technique was brilliant, but i dont this goal was a work of art in the same wat as Zidanes volley in the CL final.

definitely a better than average goal but not the greatest goal of all time.

Just seen the goal for the first time and call it 'lucky' is plain daft. It was a perfectly executed goal and I'm sure the harder he has trained and the more he has practised the luckier he has got. But to say it was the best goal ever (although it is a great goal) can't be true as it is nothing like as good as the Van Basten one or Maradonna or a few others that I can think of.

yep lfc , time for me to leave the thread Ive said my peace.

I'm particularly amused by the fact that you think a player who's played for 6 of the worlds biggest clubs scored a goal which was a fluke yet a player who's more famous for a robot dance and his bird than his football ability, scored a great goal.

And I agree with Bardo, not having a keeper in the net does cheapen it.

Has anyone said it was the best goal ever though?

We're arguing the point that it was a great goal, a unique goal, a goal scored by a player of great talent.

Mesmerised is arguing that it was a lucky goal scored by a carthorse.

Who wants to read the same post again for the 10th - 15th time, I can't renumber how many times now I've lost count, but poor wallis needs it drumming into him apparently.

The technique is not in doubt, but the goal was a lucky goal for the following reasons.

- There was no goalkeeper there to save it.
- There was no defenders in close proximity.
- He couldn't see the goal when he struck it.

hth

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that about sums you up wallis, can't counter a simple point effectively, nobody can disagree with the simple points I've made, nobody reasonable with an once of common sense that is, I watch alot of Spanish and Italian football and he always flatter to deceive.

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:02 
I watch alot of Spanish and Italian football and he always flatter to deceive.





Serie A Top Scorer (2): 2009, 2012
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (4): 2005, 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Footballer of the Year (3): 2008, 2009, 2011

Do you want me to post Phil Neville's stats - he's won the champions leaugenot mention phil lambert. Not to mention the fact there are lies, damn lies and Statistics.

and I'm not posting any more on this I'm starting to sound like Jason ****g dodd

try and be honest mes. The stats are for individual player of the year.

ps it's easy to be player of the year in serie a, it's such a pedestrian league - and that's his pace.

but i thought you said he flattered to decieve

I've watched him and sometimes he's brilliant and sometimes he's not. Last night he was awesome. His second was brilliant.

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:14 
Do you want me to post Phil Neville's stats - he's won the champions leauge not mention phil lambert.





When Phil Neville has won player of the year or been top scorer then yes, feel free to come back and post his stats.

Surely the fact the keeper wasn't in the goal was the whole reason he took the shot on so early?

Biscuit, posting stats doesn't help your point, he's done very well in serie a in terms of honours and goals but if he were to have spent the best part of decade in a Spanish side, he wouldn't have half of all that, but the main point being, he would have been found out a lot quicker - you don't watch half as much Italian football as I do/did during his time,and I am telling you he is overrated, for people to put in the same bracket as genuine world class players is laughable beyond words.

So carry on celebrating his glorious achievements in a dodgy league full of fixed results and suspect referee's, real world class talent belongs to likes of messi, henry and ronaldo.

And one more more thing - what has he done on the big stage, no European cup to speak off- every time he's come to England in the champions league bar one game v us, he's been useless.

he was too lazy to fit into the Barca side, something that could possibly also hinder him at the top clubs if he were ever to grace the Premier League. Bit like Berbatov in that respect.

mesmerised 15 Nov 12 14:37 
Biscuit, posting stats doesn't help your point, he's done very well in serie a in terms of honours and goals but if he were to have spent the best part of decade in a Spanish side, he wouldn't have half of all that, but the main point being, he would have been found out a lot quicker - you don't watch half as much Italian football as I do/did during his time





Your argument falls down here because i'm posting stats which are facts whereas what you are posting is just an opinion.

You don't win golden boots and player of the year awards unless you have something about you.

And your argument about different leagues is irrelevant. Henry and bergkamp were both unbelievable players, but both flopped miserably in Italy. Does this make them any less of a player in your opinion?

And you can't possibly know how much Italina football i watch so again, it's an irrelevant point.

This was also a fluke,Because he doesn't do it every week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgqsaDnsEq8

Another lucky goal because it "could've gone anywhere"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-22cSRjizg&feature=related

- He couldn't see the goal when he struck it.
He didnt have to see goal, he seen were goal was

it's such a pedestrian league - and that's his pace.
It a technical tactical league, just re watch the play between italy england this summer, maybe if English players went abroad they might ;earn to play football

Bisucuit you've posted facts based upon misleading stats, he has a great record in a league not on the same level as the English Premier League or La Liga.

Just face it, he doesn't cut in when he mixes it with the big boys, no European Cup, no consistant top performances against a top international sides either - and that's not including England last night and their B list defence.

Kingorrome, the reason why Italy prevailed over England was simply down to poor tactics by Hodgson, who allowed Pirlo to have space and therefore dictate the game - an irrelevant point in relation to what an overrated player Ibra is,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCZVKtxxSc

at least four of these better than that goal. Still pretty damn good goal though.

He knew the 'keeper was well out, glory beckoned. He took a chance and got lucky. I agree with mesmerised, 100s of better goals even in the last 10 years.

Common sense prevails at last

Compare Zlatan with Berbatov ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha are you guys for real???

berbatov LOL he isint even a shadow of ibra

bar messi and ronaldo ibra is the best striker in the world

the only people that dont think this guys world class r deluded english

The edd

For sure you are right imo:)

Top 3 in the world

It was a good goal but come on it was just an overhead kick with an open goal. Hardly requiring of supernatural ability

mesmerised • November 15, 2012 1:07 PM GMT
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'lurka

I think the clown is the person who comes up with as weak a justification for his 'moving on' status as you, yet another poster who can't string together conherant statements without sounding angry.'

So you admit that my statement above was 'conherent' [sic], just that I sounded angry? Or are you still sticking by your ridiculous reasoning that he left all those clubs against his will because manager after manager got rid after they realised he was overrated, despite him winning league title after league title?! My justification was weak? In comparison to that? Please.....

I'm sticking by my opinion that you are a clown. And I'm not angry at all, I'm laughing here along with the majority of people on this and all your other threads. I think the goal has been completely overhyped, wouldn't make my top 30 either btw

'it's easy to be player of the year in serie a' - yet another clownworthy statement. You are speaking with both feet in your mouth at this stage.

lurka knows

lurka, it was an overhead kick into an open goal as hamsterdam say - no amount of long winded post will change that. Anyway nvm I'm bored of it - and you.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/video/24811/8249316/merson-on-zlatan-goal

Makes my list of top 10 goals despite being a friendly.

He knew Hart was 20 yards from goal that's why he went for the overhead kick....a great goal in my opinion; I'd also layed Sweden to win 3-2!

1) it was a hit and hope type of goal. MOST GOALS ARE YOU MORON

2) It was a friendly SODO TEAMS TRY AND LET IN WORLD CLASS GOALS IN FRIENDLIES?

3) Hart was 20 yards from goal (open net) KEEPERS DECISION SHOULD HE WAIT FOR HART TO GET BETWEEN THE STICKS?

4) First choice defence not present. NO DEFENDER WOULD OF STOPPED THAT FFS THEY CANT USE THEIR HANDS.

5) hth TWOT

What an oddball mug

Pointless arguing with mesmerised, he doesn't like Zlatan so his mind is made up that it was lucky. Look at some of the forumites who've agreed with him (Roy Keane and Dawsy, need i say any more). One has an 'over rated' players thread that lists Messi and the other thinks Carrick is better than Xavi. Not to mention mesmerised himself who thinks di Natale, di maria and mario gotze are 2 of worlds 40 best players of the past 10 years.

Complete clowns.

Those players in that list were top players I was thinking of off the top of my head to put into a top 20, if you re-read the thread you will see that, but to suit your points - you overlook that, for the record they wouldn't be in my top 20.

And Carrick is better than Xavi ?- do you enjoy being fished to tears?

mesmerised a bad fisherman shouldnt blame his own net

Great thread mes.

That 'lucky, hit and hope' goal was voted FIFA's goal of the year

Can't sleep with you around.

It was a friendly match so it doesn't count, I've seen them scored in Sunday league football, night.

Answer this.

If he tried that 100 times - how many times do you think he'd score it - I would hazard a guess at ONE.

I'd say probably 7 or 8 times . Near Miss/ hit post 20 times , respectable miss 20 times , long way out out the rest .

An average top league striker might get it close 2 or 3 times out of 100 . Mostly they would just fail to make any sort of good connection or mistime. But that's irrelevant as an average player would never think to try that in the first place.

FIFA goal of the year, except it was scored in 2012

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Anyone who does not understand why this was an unbelievably great goal simply knows nothing about football..i would go further and say their judgement on any subject is in doubt

AHEM. I'm a quantum physicist and I'm a nominee for a Nobel prize, and I think the goal was dung.