Scotland to vote for independence in 2014

When Rangers could just buy someone like Walsall and shift the home games to Ibrox?
Straight into League One!
What A Result!!!

I hope they buy the balti pie recipe too

The result will be NO

Salmond will be put firmly in place

Do Englanders seriously believe Salmond wants independence?

crisp they can keep the balti pies...
I just want Mr Tikka back!!

LONDON | Tue Oct 9, 2012

(Reuters) - Scotland will hold a vote in 2014 on independence in what could result in the eventual breakup of Britain, a British government minister said on Tuesday.

The announcement ended months of stalemate between the Westminster government in London and the Scottish devolved administration in Edinburgh.

"What will happen is that Westminster will devolve the power to the Scottish Parliament to hold a single-question referendum on whether Scotland should be in or out of the United Kingdom," Scotland Office minister David Mundell told Sky News.

"We anticipate that happening in autumn 2014."

Mundell's comments suggested both sides had compromised over the timing and format of the referendum.

"There's a meeting on Monday," a government source said when asked about the reported agreement, adding there was no guarantee a deal would be reached.

British Prime Minister David Cameron, who wants to keep Britain intact, had backed holding a vote as soon as possible on whether to end Scotland's 300-year-old union with England, with a simple "yes" or "no" single question.

Alex Salmond, leader of Scotland's nationalist government, had sought a third option to be included in the vote, allowing additional powers to be passed to the Scottish parliament.

However, he had also pushed for a delay until 2014, the 700th anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn, a famous Scottish victory over the English, giving his independence campaign more time to persuade voters to support the split.

Polls suggest between 30 and 40 percent of Scots currently support independence.

The Scottish government said "substantial progress" towards an agreement had been made and a final deal was almost ready.

"We are however on track for the full agreement to be presented to the First Minister (Salmond) and the Prime Minister over the next few days," a spokesman said.

Under the devolved system of government, the Scottish parliament has control over health, education and prisons.

It also the power to pass laws on a range of subjects and to raise or lower the basic rate of income tax by up to 3 pence in the pound, while Scotland also has its own legal system.

Cameron argues that Scots, and Britain as a whole, would be worse off if they voted for independence, as the bulk of Scotland's funding comes from a 30 billion pound ($48 billion) grant from the UK government.

However, Salmond has said an independent Scotland would be entitled to the lion's share of North Sea oil revenues.

A Scottish vote for independence would undermine the foundations of modern Britain which comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland and Britain make up the United Kingdom

what a waste of time and money imo

Oct 9, 2012 -- 11:18PM, HansUlrichApfelStrudel wrote:

Do Englanders seriously believe Salmond wants independence?

Forgive my naivety, but what does he want if not independence?

Salmond is very happy with the status quo of receiving loads of money from London to ensure no prescription charges, no university fees etc. in Scotland.

While at the same time being able to blame everything that is going wrong on Tories and Scotland not being independent.

This is just a publicity stunt to try and get more cash as he knows people will vote No in the end.

Never really thought about it like that.  You might be right

besides with a tory government in power the question is liable to be phrased

"Do you want Scotland to be independant or do you want Scotland to remain as part of Britain"  Answer  YES / NO

i'd think miliband is far more worried than anyone else

salmond and cameron win either way

The Tories might be okay long term with all those English seats, but Cameron would be finished if he was he PM when the union broke up.

he would simply turn to the bliar formula to line his own pockets

having served his time

Indeed.  I agree the biggest loser would be Miliband/Labour.

Hope it doesn't happen though, I like the Scots

I don't expect it will make much difference to me whether they get independence or not, as I moved to england to work about 30 years ago when the fascist government put hundreds of scottish firms out of business and did their best to put the whole of  scotland on the dole. (and then they wondered why nobody voted for them)

I liked the poll by ComRes? A majority of Scots would vote no to independene, while a majority of British would support it.

Says all you need to know

all these polls lol,nobody EVER asked me or anyone i know how they would vote,a lot more will vote yes than people might think.in my view,this will be very close.salmond always wanted a single question, a multi question referendum would just fudge it,salmond and nicola sturgeon have stated their preference for a single question previously.

Not sure that's correct.  Salmond wanted a two questionreferendum.  The Telegraph, 24 September 2012:

"Officials from both the UK and Scottish governments have started working up the wording of an agreement whereby David Cameron will transfer the powers for a legal vote to take place.

The Prime Minister and Alex Salmond are to meet shortly to sign off the deal, which is expected to specify that the ballot paper will contain a single question on separation.

The First Minister has been lobbying for a second question proposing all tax powers be transferred to Holyrood – so-called ‘devolution max’ – but used an interview with the Los Angeles Times to admit defeat."

The First Minister told the LA Times the pro-separation referendum campaign will now focus on winning over voters who want devo max but have been denied the option by Mr Cameron.

He insisted that independence was the most popular of three constitutional options, ahead of the status quo and devo max, despite opinion polls showing less than a third of Scots support it.

“But the U.K. government is clearly not willing to offer devo max or fiscal autonomy as an option,” he said.

murder, or the option for manslaughter !!!

i'm not sure so i'll go for the one in the middle .......

The English army will only invade Scotland for its oil

2 more years before the referendum of a Tory government saying fuuck everyone but the rich.

I have a feeling it might be a lot closer in 2014.

As a Scot who has lived in England for a long time I would say that the vote will be NO. My friends and family back home know
exactly how much better off they are at the moment with a lot of the subsidies they receive. The only danger would be
allowing the vote to 16 and 17 year olds which I think they are trying for. If thats the case then you get the misguided
nationalistic rant " we fckin hate the english etc etc " ( I was like that at that age as well but have since matured hopefully )and the vote would be really close

Would be great for England if they got independance. Would be a fantastic day.

Scotland is just full of lefties wanting freebies, cut them loose and at the same time we get to keep the Tories at the helm as Millibands policies to give freebies by super taxing the wealthy gets shown up.

How many referendums in a row over how many years need to be a Yes vote before independence happens?


Will England continue to be governed by Jocks if independence happens? Cameron, Brown, Blair etc?

Complete nonsense really with all the other political parties being Unionists.

Soon as one of them get back into power there will be a referendum to rejoin the Union

We are all party of the Greater German EU Super State now. Complete waste of time and money this.

Does that mean Celtic will be heading off to play in Ireland as you only see Irish flags at their games?

All these Europeans think the Scottish flag is the tricolour when Celtic plays there.

i think that people in both Scotland and England would be wrong to vote for independence.It has been shown certainly since WW2 that we(british)are no longer capable of governing ourselves.I would prefer unity with say Germany or maybe Switzerland hopefully with a view to becoming one nation

'Unity with Germany' .  Nice one.

i certainly wouldnt be adverse to all British children learning German as a first language. It is all very well to say English is a beautiful language ,which it is,but so few of us,especially the working classes can speak it properly

Wot u sayin bruv?

Scottish and English woman are too fat to take on the German ladies leather wearing culture

leather wearing culture

Please Please Please - have independence.

Can we not just sell Scotland anyway?

"when the seagulls follow the trawler . . . "

sell scotland?

surely we'll have to give it away?

Deep fried mars bars/Buckie/Shettlestone patois we have the lot an if you fcuk about wi us we will "MALKY" yez,Engerlund is fcuked,full of foreign nationals that can,t/won,t work can,t/won,t speak de lingo,the state cannot sustain them,"yez are doomed doomed I tell yez"

Several deluded Englanders on this thread one feels.

Jockos have been running the UK for years.

Aye, and look at the state of it

Yes another Greece on our hands when Englanders are running the show

just make salmond prime minister , and we'll all get free prescriptions and university education

did somebody really get my post about china invading England removed.... dear oh dear

I think Scotland should remain part of England.

With the major oil discovery today in irish waters it would make sense for the celtic nations to come together in a United Celtic Kingdom

i

Dont really get this independence malarky. Why in the modern world would anyone want to consider themselves part of any country. Britain of course is a shambles but look around the world and you would be hard pushed to find more than 1 or 2 countries that are not.Best to have as little to do with any country as possible(personally i try to stay indoors and have as little to do with people as possible..goodnight)

You wanted us to merge with ze Germans earlier.  At least that would help us improve our record in penalty shoot outs. I'm all for it!

Very sensible Berto77, things fall apart but there is always football, thank god,or Bill Shankley

2014 - Independence.

2018 - English boat people turned back at Ardrossan.

2019 - Sockland goes bankrupt and begs to become part of the Union once again. However the prosperous Union has none of it. Off with your heads.

some people bricking it now?