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found this article on nufc.com today,
Yesterday's damning indictment of all aspects of the British establishment following the independent panel's investigation into Hillsborough, was shocking but not surprising for those of us unfortunate enough to follow football in the late 1980s. We always knew The Truth.
Hillsborough could have happened to any of us.
We often found ourselves in various perilous situations at different grounds (including St. James' Park) up and down the country where we were always one slip, one mounted police charge, one gate opening away from disaster.
A few years before the disaster I was in the central pen at the Leppings Lane End, packed in so tightly that breathing became an effort, my feet were off the floor and some of us were sensing the danger.
Thankfully, we were near enough to the tunnel to fight our way out and make our way, despite the non-existent signage, into the side pens which were virtually empty. It had been a death-trap for years.
My colleague was at the White Hart Lane incident, some years later, where it was nothing short of a miracle that no-one lost their lives when in 1987 United fans were almost the victim of callous policing by the Met.
The Park Lane end containing the travelling support was allowed to become dangerously overcrowded while the adjacent paddocks remained closed and unused.
The first few fans to scale the fences were arrested but gradually more joined in and fought with stewards to open gates on to the pitch. And in an eerie foretaste of the Hillsborough tragedy, seated fans above pulled some of those below to safety and disaster was averted.
The police's reaction was to stretch a line of officers in front of the away section which blotted out any view of the match and after the final whistle a vain attempt was made to hold the away fans in their pen.
A midweek game at Maine Road saw a massive crush on the stairs leading down from the away terrace on the Kippax and at one point I was jammed up against the railings staring at a 50ft drop with nowhere to go. A piece of fatigued metal or crumbling concrete would have seen dozens of us fall to our deaths.
Just a year after Hillsborough, our game in Sheffield at Bramall Lane had seen an almighty crush at the end of the match where once again the South Yorkshire police had lost control. Had they learned nothing? I remember writing to The Mag about it at the time.
But things weren't much better at St. James'. Many of the sold out games saw crowds way in excess of the official attendance figures and while some areas of the Gallowgate were packed, the "Scoreboard" section would be dangerously crammed. Kenny Wharton's testimonial game being a surprising case in point.
The "them and us" attitude of the police at the time meant that it never entered their heads that on that awful day, that they were watching a disaster unfold. They presumed it was a pitch invasion and disorder.
It says much about the way this country (still) works that all areas of society were able to collude and cover-up with senior police officers, emergency services, coroners, lawyers, journalists, politicians all in on the conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. The legal system serves victims the least.
In the end, it has taken an independent group outside of the establishment to uncover what happened that day and how the families of the victims of Hillsborough have found the strength to carry on their fight is incredible.
Five years after the tragedy Newcastle went to Anfield in a Premier League fixture on April 16th and both sets of fans paid tribute to those lost in a fitting and spontaneous show of unity. It was an extraordinarily moving occasion and like the victims of Hillsborough, will never be forgotten.
The Truth was always there and it's a national disgrace that it took 23 years to make those responsible unable to deny and ignore it.
Will justice follow? Whatever happens now, it'll be far too little, far too late.
Our thoughts go to our fellow football fans who suffered then and are still suffering now. YNWA.
Yesterday's damning indictment of all aspects of the British establishment following the independent panel's investigation into Hillsborough, was shocking but not surprising for those of us unfortunate enough to follow football in the late 1980s. We always knew The Truth.
Hillsborough could have happened to any of us.
We often found ourselves in various perilous situations at different grounds (including St. James' Park) up and down the country where we were always one slip, one mounted police charge, one gate opening away from disaster.
A few years before the disaster I was in the central pen at the Leppings Lane End, packed in so tightly that breathing became an effort, my feet were off the floor and some of us were sensing the danger.
Thankfully, we were near enough to the tunnel to fight our way out and make our way, despite the non-existent signage, into the side pens which were virtually empty. It had been a death-trap for years.
My colleague was at the White Hart Lane incident, some years later, where it was nothing short of a miracle that no-one lost their lives when in 1987 United fans were almost the victim of callous policing by the Met.
The Park Lane end containing the travelling support was allowed to become dangerously overcrowded while the adjacent paddocks remained closed and unused.
The first few fans to scale the fences were arrested but gradually more joined in and fought with stewards to open gates on to the pitch. And in an eerie foretaste of the Hillsborough tragedy, seated fans above pulled some of those below to safety and disaster was averted.
The police's reaction was to stretch a line of officers in front of the away section which blotted out any view of the match and after the final whistle a vain attempt was made to hold the away fans in their pen.
A midweek game at Maine Road saw a massive crush on the stairs leading down from the away terrace on the Kippax and at one point I was jammed up against the railings staring at a 50ft drop with nowhere to go. A piece of fatigued metal or crumbling concrete would have seen dozens of us fall to our deaths.
Just a year after Hillsborough, our game in Sheffield at Bramall Lane had seen an almighty crush at the end of the match where once again the South Yorkshire police had lost control. Had they learned nothing? I remember writing to The Mag about it at the time.
But things weren't much better at St. James'. Many of the sold out games saw crowds way in excess of the official attendance figures and while some areas of the Gallowgate were packed, the "Scoreboard" section would be dangerously crammed. Kenny Wharton's testimonial game being a surprising case in point.
The "them and us" attitude of the police at the time meant that it never entered their heads that on that awful day, that they were watching a disaster unfold. They presumed it was a pitch invasion and disorder.
It says much about the way this country (still) works that all areas of society were able to collude and cover-up with senior police officers, emergency services, coroners, lawyers, journalists, politicians all in on the conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. The legal system serves victims the least.
In the end, it has taken an independent group outside of the establishment to uncover what happened that day and how the families of the victims of Hillsborough have found the strength to carry on their fight is incredible.
Five years after the tragedy Newcastle went to Anfield in a Premier League fixture on April 16th and both sets of fans paid tribute to those lost in a fitting and spontaneous show of unity. It was an extraordinarily moving occasion and like the victims of Hillsborough, will never be forgotten.
The Truth was always there and it's a national disgrace that it took 23 years to make those responsible unable to deny and ignore it.
Will justice follow? Whatever happens now, it'll be far too little, far too late.
Our thoughts go to our fellow football fans who suffered then and are still suffering now. YNWA.
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Imagine if I asked them? WTF are you talking about, you can see above that claims were made, use your feckin brain.
So if it turns out the victims have been unlawfully killed. Are you saying that those who have suffered financial hardship because of the loss of a loved one, don't deserve compensation because they've already made a compensation claim in the past ?
So if it turns out the victims have been unlawfully killed. Are you saying that those who have suffered financial hardship because of the loss of a loved one, don't deserve compensation because they've already made a compensation claim in the past ?
What a load of drivel and fairy story that is about me as well, christ you have a vivid imagination fuelled by the chip on your shoulder no doubt.
Imagine if I asked them? WTF are you talking about, you can see above that claims were made, use your feckin brain.
So if it turns out the victims have been unlawfully killed. Are you saying that those who have suffered financial hardship because of the loss of a loved one, don't deserve compensation because they've already made a compensation claim in the past ?
Read the report, you had 'relatives' making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground.
So if it turns out the victims have been unlawfully killed. Are you saying that those who have suffered financial hardship because of the loss of a loved one, don't deserve compensation because they've already made a compensation claim in the past ?
Read the report, you had 'relatives' making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground.
Captain Christy would you be interested in meeting face to face so we could "debate" this matter further?
how about you saying what you think and me saying what I think, far easier, instead of veiled threats.
to suggest that the families have taken this fight on for 23 years for monetary compensation is just twisted
I suppose in your sick head something like that may be a possibility but that really says more about you. The dignity and courage which the likes of Trevor Hicks has shown has been a lesson to us all
I suppose in your sick head something like that may be a possibility but that really says more about you. The dignity and courage which the likes of Trevor Hicks has shown has been a lesson to us all
Who mentioned threats,i will be at the liverpool v united game a week on sunday,i am sure you are a proper match going fan so lets get together and debate further,yeah?
shut up Denman you idiot, ever been to Heysel?
regardless of the opinion and the rights & wrongs, people died; personally i think a bit of respect is called for and this thread is a disgrace
i dont think i need add anymore to that.
Read the report, you had 'relatives' making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground.
And the Law Society in the report you quoted is supporting a change in the law to allow that. For cases of genuine mental trauma, not just upset.
Because the law was too restrictive.
The only person calling any claim 'spurious' in this thread is you.
Are you a high court judge? I suspect not.
And the Law Society in the report you quoted is supporting a change in the law to allow that. For cases of genuine mental trauma, not just upset.
Because the law was too restrictive.
The only person calling any claim 'spurious' in this thread is you.
Are you a high court judge? I suspect not.
no you don't, crawl back under your stone now.
Read the report, you had 'relatives' making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground.
Why did they need to be at the ground ? I was at Hillsborough in The Leppings Lane end. My family & friends found it very traumatic not knowing what happened to me. I was one of the lucky ones. Imagine how traumatised my loved ones would have been had they found out I'd died.
Your putting together a really strange argument.
Why did they need to be at the ground ? I was at Hillsborough in The Leppings Lane end. My family & friends found it very traumatic not knowing what happened to me. I was one of the lucky ones. Imagine how traumatised my loved ones would have been had they found out I'd died.
Your putting together a really strange argument.
elise,some people dont know what respect is.
Your putting together a really strange argument.
I'd find it pretty strange had someone launched a claim like that on the back of me dying, I guess you must have a different idea of 'strange' to that of the rest of humanity.
I'd find it pretty strange had someone launched a claim like that on the back of me dying, I guess you must have a different idea of 'strange' to that of the rest of humanity.
Captain Christy, you began as an irritant and became a semi-interesting provocateur. Then you said "Read the report, you had "relatives" making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground."
The " " is too much. The notion that you have to be present at an event (not withstanding one at which you lost a loved one) to be traumatised by it is the ultimate ugliness. You are being cruel without a good reason.
The " " is too much. The notion that you have to be present at an event (not withstanding one at which you lost a loved one) to be traumatised by it is the ultimate ugliness. You are being cruel without a good reason.
Redrebel, he's a fcking troll, I'm sorry I even wasted my time with him.
OP is correct. Everybody who was around then knows it could have happened to any of us.
And how the police lied through their teeth consistently.
OP is correct. Everybody who was around then knows it could have happened to any of us.
And how the police lied through their teeth consistently.
It is one thing godlovesyou to be traumatised by something, quite another to then seek to get money out of it, I'll have to leave it there because the attitudes displayed by you lot is frankly unworthy of the victims of Hillsborough and I hope you are all thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.
Do you believe that the families are actually entitled to compensation or are you saying they aren't
Or are you arguing that no compensation should be paid in any circumstance where there has been unlawful killing
Or are you arguing that no compensation should be paid in any circumstance where there has been unlawful killing
and you are unworthy to be scraped off the bottom of my shoe.
FFS captain christy, if you had a family member who was unlawfully killed wouldnt you be seeking some sort of justice..
compensation being part of that...on another note i just heard on the radio k. dalgleish attended every victims funeral.!!
remarkable man imo.
compensation being part of that...on another note i just heard on the radio k. dalgleish attended every victims funeral.!!
remarkable man imo.
May I ask whether you're a police officer, Captain?
captain christy, what is your opinion about police on duty that day that recieved compensation for the trauma they endured?
I can't stand the police godlovesyou and if you bothered to read what I've said I believe it was the police's fault.
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What a load of drivel and fairy story that is about me as well, christ you have a vivid imagination fuelled by the chip on your shoulder no doubt.
Its clear in this thread who the people with chips on their shoulders are.
Compensation?
Over a dozen police officers involved received payments totalling nearly 2million after the event for stress.
From the very same police force who have now been found to be part of one of the largest police cover ups in this country, with over 160 statements falsified to get themselves off the hook
When Trevor Hicks talks about bringing people responsible to court, he is not in any shape or form talking about financial compensation, he is talking about LEGAL JUSTICE and ACCOUNTABILITY - there is a difference.
Its about seeing those responsible, held accountable and punished - yes punished, doctoring evidence is illegal, if you or I did it we'd face consequences. There are people who should be jailed over it, given the extent, as that is what would happen to none police officers.
Will some families then seek financial compensation down the line, I, like you, have absolutely no idea, perhaps some will and they would be entirely justified in doing so (especially given the FA, and its lack of safety certificate) the same way police did, but to suggest it has been any kind of motivating factor in the past 23 years when time after time the HJC has turned down large cash offers from the Sun for example, is ridiculous.
You are either judging others by your own low standards or you are trolling.
Or maybe you just dont understand, and from this post I think that is the case -
Captain Christy
Trevor Hicks, the chairman of the HSFG, said that the group would pursue legal action against those involved at South Yorkshire Police and elsewhere if the state does not.
Hicks, who lost two daughters at Hillsborough, told BBC's Newsnight programme: "If I come back to David Cameron's statement [to MPs], he said quite categorically that the state had let us down.
"So we will give the state the opportunity to put that right.
"But if it looks as though they're not going to do that, then we will do as we've done before and we'll take it out of their hands."
You think this is evidence of seeking financial compensation ?
Sorry, wrong.
Pursuing Legal action does not mean pursuing compensation.
Hopefully I have cleared that up for you.
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What a load of drivel and fairy story that is about me as well, christ you have a vivid imagination fuelled by the chip on your shoulder no doubt.
Its clear in this thread who the people with chips on their shoulders are.
Compensation?
Over a dozen police officers involved received payments totalling nearly 2million after the event for stress.
From the very same police force who have now been found to be part of one of the largest police cover ups in this country, with over 160 statements falsified to get themselves off the hook
When Trevor Hicks talks about bringing people responsible to court, he is not in any shape or form talking about financial compensation, he is talking about LEGAL JUSTICE and ACCOUNTABILITY - there is a difference.
Its about seeing those responsible, held accountable and punished - yes punished, doctoring evidence is illegal, if you or I did it we'd face consequences. There are people who should be jailed over it, given the extent, as that is what would happen to none police officers.
Will some families then seek financial compensation down the line, I, like you, have absolutely no idea, perhaps some will and they would be entirely justified in doing so (especially given the FA, and its lack of safety certificate) the same way police did, but to suggest it has been any kind of motivating factor in the past 23 years when time after time the HJC has turned down large cash offers from the Sun for example, is ridiculous.
You are either judging others by your own low standards or you are trolling.
Or maybe you just dont understand, and from this post I think that is the case -
Captain Christy
Trevor Hicks, the chairman of the HSFG, said that the group would pursue legal action against those involved at South Yorkshire Police and elsewhere if the state does not.
Hicks, who lost two daughters at Hillsborough, told BBC's Newsnight programme: "If I come back to David Cameron's statement [to MPs], he said quite categorically that the state had let us down.
"So we will give the state the opportunity to put that right.
"But if it looks as though they're not going to do that, then we will do as we've done before and we'll take it out of their hands."
You think this is evidence of seeking financial compensation ?
Sorry, wrong.
Pursuing Legal action does not mean pursuing compensation.
Hopefully I have cleared that up for you.
Pinpointing those responsible is the first stage of a claim for compensation, lets not be naive.
Pretty diabolical stuff CC. So dis respectful. I really hope you don't believe half of what you've posted.
It began with quite salient if provocative stuff and then sank to something bordering prejudice. Written by someone inordinately pre-occupied with money himself.
The whole 'money' issue is almost the whole reason why they were covering it up in the first bleedin' place, now you are asking about the compensation, fcuk the compensation, just prosecute those responsible.
captain
you are so wrong its off the scale. the reason they covered it up is so they didnt end up in prison or sacked or dxisgraced
you are so wrong its off the scale. the reason they covered it up is so they didnt end up in prison or sacked or dxisgraced
i say pay trile the compensation as an example for any others wanting to try to cover it up.
i will speak from experience that my recent award didnt cover the "cover up"....it should have and i thought the judge was being a bit kind on them
i will speak from experience that my recent award didnt cover the "cover up"....it should have and i thought the judge was being a bit kind on them
Oh right then, so it is ok if they are now sent to prison, sacked or disgraced?
or how about sharing their pensions with the families...their back wages should be paid back too imo
whilst those lying ****s are sitting behind bars
whilst those lying ****s are sitting behind bars
the first duty of goverment is the protection of it's citizens, via the police the goverment failed in that duty so I say own up and cough up.
absolutely captain those responsible and still alive should also be prosecuted for corruption and doctoring evidence as well
and that's it, no subsequent pursuit of compensation will follow?
surely if the state was at fault they will have to pay out anyways.
if a company was found at fault for deaths they would have to pay out.
if a company was found at fault for deaths they would have to pay out.
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The whole 'money' issue is almost the whole reason why they were covering it up in the first bleedin' place, now you are asking about the compensation, fcuk the compensation, just prosecute those responsible.
but you are the person who keeps bringing up compensation, not other posters, not the families, as I have already shown, you made a huge incorrect leap from what Trevor Hicks said about bringing legal action, and you straight away associated it with compensation, that says far more about your mentality, than the families motives.
But I will try again, see if it sinks in this time.
Pursuing Legal action does not mean pursuing compensation.
8 words
Read them
Read them again
You are the one who has banged on about the families wanting financial compensation, your evidence for this does not exist, you have misunderstood legal action to mean compensation.
Honestly, its not a hard concept to grasp, put aside your bias based on stupid football allegiance and engage your brain.
Its not hard
The issue is criminal liability.
The families want those responsible for the cover up held accountable and punished.
They havent mentioned compensation, you did, you say
fcuk the compensation, just prosecute those responsible.
And that is EXACTLY the attitude of the families
Its really not hard to understand.
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The whole 'money' issue is almost the whole reason why they were covering it up in the first bleedin' place, now you are asking about the compensation, fcuk the compensation, just prosecute those responsible.
but you are the person who keeps bringing up compensation, not other posters, not the families, as I have already shown, you made a huge incorrect leap from what Trevor Hicks said about bringing legal action, and you straight away associated it with compensation, that says far more about your mentality, than the families motives.
But I will try again, see if it sinks in this time.
Pursuing Legal action does not mean pursuing compensation.
8 words
Read them
Read them again
You are the one who has banged on about the families wanting financial compensation, your evidence for this does not exist, you have misunderstood legal action to mean compensation.
Honestly, its not a hard concept to grasp, put aside your bias based on stupid football allegiance and engage your brain.
Its not hard
The issue is criminal liability.
The families want those responsible for the cover up held accountable and punished.
They havent mentioned compensation, you did, you say
fcuk the compensation, just prosecute those responsible.
And that is EXACTLY the attitude of the families
Its really not hard to understand.
its a no brainer
think cc is trying to score brownie points using football rivalry.
imagine if one of his kids were killed in a car crash by the fault of the other driver.
he is saying he shouldnt get compensation or look to get it.
he would get it regardless.
very poor fishing.
think cc is trying to score brownie points using football rivalry.
imagine if one of his kids were killed in a car crash by the fault of the other driver.
he is saying he shouldnt get compensation or look to get it.
he would get it regardless.
very poor fishing.
Reading through all of this, and having been reminded earlier this evening by TV of the UNPUNISHED killing of Ian Tomlinson by PC Harwood, there is only one conclusion left: we need a fukcin revolution.
Well let's look at the time line on this thread, we went from people making threats for my having the gall to suggest this was partly about compensation to saying that they should naturally be getting compensation.
CC, you've shown youself to be a bright person earlier on this thread. Now just shut the fukk up, please. You are not doing anything to advance the cause of those at Heysel nor alleviate the present pain of the Hillsbrough victims and their families. You are being hurtful for the sake of it. Causing pain for the sake of it. Listen to your conscience and shut the fukk up, please?
CC, you've shown youself to be a bright person earlier on this thread. Now just shut the fukk up, please. You are not doing anything to advance the cause of those at Heysel nor alleviate the present pain of the Hillsbrough victims and their families. You are being hurtful for the sake of it. Causing pain for the sake of it. Listen to your conscience and shut the fukk up, please?
Superb write-up donnyosmond, really summed it all up.
Really vivid memories of Hillsborough and that fateful day. It was the day a little bit of my love for football died, it was the day I realised that Shankley's famous quote about football being more serious than life and death had a hollow ring to it. Although to be fair to the great man he would never have meant it to be compared to the enormity of what happened that day.
The extent of the cover-up is truly mind-boggling and the horror of it all seems even greater today, to think 41 fans lay on the pitch that day gasping for life and through the sheer ineptitude of the relevant services that day were abandoned and left to die is horrific beyond words.
There was a very big element of them and us between the police and football supporters in those days and their immediate reaction to the disaster that day was to cover their own collective @rses and those lies and corruption went all the way to the top.
Hopefully now that the truth has eventually been uncovered those responsible will be pursued through the courts and on conviction (probably on the very minor charge of perverting the course of justice) will be made to relinquish all their employment and pension rights. I say hopefully as my faith in the legal system is not very strong today.
JFT96 - WNWA
Really vivid memories of Hillsborough and that fateful day. It was the day a little bit of my love for football died, it was the day I realised that Shankley's famous quote about football being more serious than life and death had a hollow ring to it. Although to be fair to the great man he would never have meant it to be compared to the enormity of what happened that day.
The extent of the cover-up is truly mind-boggling and the horror of it all seems even greater today, to think 41 fans lay on the pitch that day gasping for life and through the sheer ineptitude of the relevant services that day were abandoned and left to die is horrific beyond words.
There was a very big element of them and us between the police and football supporters in those days and their immediate reaction to the disaster that day was to cover their own collective @rses and those lies and corruption went all the way to the top.
Hopefully now that the truth has eventually been uncovered those responsible will be pursued through the courts and on conviction (probably on the very minor charge of perverting the course of justice) will be made to relinquish all their employment and pension rights. I say hopefully as my faith in the legal system is not very strong today.
JFT96 - WNWA
I believe tainting the memory of those who died with a money angle is WRONG it is as simple as that.
lets try again do you think the families are entitled to compensation
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and that's it, no subsequent pursuit of compensation will follow?
Who knows ?
I know for absolute fact some families wont pursue any financial compensation, because I happen to know a few involved.
But unless someone has asked all, then your question is unanswerable at this point.
However your assumption pursuing legal action means pursuing compensation, is wrong
You have assumed from the get go the motivation was financial for the families, you are wrong.
You say compensation shouldnt be a factor in the families calculations, yet you are the only person who keeps bringing it up.
The families certainly havent.
Park your football rivalry brain for 5minutes and think
and that's it, no subsequent pursuit of compensation will follow?
Who knows ?
I know for absolute fact some families wont pursue any financial compensation, because I happen to know a few involved.
But unless someone has asked all, then your question is unanswerable at this point.
However your assumption pursuing legal action means pursuing compensation, is wrong
You have assumed from the get go the motivation was financial for the families, you are wrong.
You say compensation shouldnt be a factor in the families calculations, yet you are the only person who keeps bringing it up.
The families certainly havent.
Park your football rivalry brain for 5minutes and think
compensation virtual certain i would imagine and rightly so wouldn';t you want it.
As I mentioned earlier Pootle the attempt to frame St Johns Ambulance, the local council as well as the police clearly points the way that this was driving towards making a claim against those organisations which would be able to afford a payout.
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lets try again do you think the families are entitled to compensation
its not a hard question why wont you answer it
lets try again do you think the families are entitled to compensation
its not a hard question why wont you answer it
dear me St Johns Ambulance able to afford a payout?
the only thing pointing to compensation is christys assumptions at this stage
either stupid or on a wind up
or both
either stupid or on a wind up
or both
lads I just want him to answer my question its not much to ask
lads I just want him to answer my question its not much to ask
So now it is about compensation? I wish you lot would get your stories straight.
people can get compensation without that being the objective of the victim you numpty
captain why won't you answer the question
its your answer i want
stop avoiding it
its your answer i want
stop avoiding it
Who do you think should be paying the compensation Rothko? When do you reckon victims of Heysel will be getting compensation?
You see, anyone can ask questions and demand answers, it really doesn't matter what I think.
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As I mentioned earlier Pootle the attempt to frame St Johns Ambulance, the local council as well as the police clearly points the way that this was driving towards making a claim against those organisations which would be able to afford a payout.
I dont know of attempts to frame St Johns Ambulance or the council, I've not heard that anywhere, the police blocked ambulances from entering the stadium, I'm not sure how St Johns come into it.
The Police ? not framed at all - 101% guilty as has been shown this week
150+ falsified police statements
That is HUGE in itself
But the instruction from up top to falsify statements... that is extraordinary. It is endemic corruption.
The FA right now will be worried as they are open from all sides, no safety certificate which leaves them massively culpable, and could see numerous sides (ie the police) seek compensation from the FA, and could see the FA under investigation by UEFA or FIFA as it brings into question their entire ability to run the game in this country.
But, there has been no mention of compensation, its just speculation in your posts.
The families want those responsible for the cover up to be held accountable
They also want a revised enquiry into what exactly happened that day.
As I mentioned earlier Pootle the attempt to frame St Johns Ambulance, the local council as well as the police clearly points the way that this was driving towards making a claim against those organisations which would be able to afford a payout.
I dont know of attempts to frame St Johns Ambulance or the council, I've not heard that anywhere, the police blocked ambulances from entering the stadium, I'm not sure how St Johns come into it.
The Police ? not framed at all - 101% guilty as has been shown this week
150+ falsified police statements
That is HUGE in itself
But the instruction from up top to falsify statements... that is extraordinary. It is endemic corruption.
The FA right now will be worried as they are open from all sides, no safety certificate which leaves them massively culpable, and could see numerous sides (ie the police) seek compensation from the FA, and could see the FA under investigation by UEFA or FIFA as it brings into question their entire ability to run the game in this country.
But, there has been no mention of compensation, its just speculation in your posts.
The families want those responsible for the cover up to be held accountable
They also want a revised enquiry into what exactly happened that day.
captain
you answer a question with a question
i refer you to my previous posts
do you think the families are entitled to compensation
you answer a question with a question
i refer you to my previous posts
do you think the families are entitled to compensation
There main objective has been for justice .
But , if Elton John received 1 million from the scum newspaper for reporting a false story where he was meant to have had bym fun with a rent boy , then the families are in for a very nice payout and why the hell not .
The people of Liverpool will fight and fight and fight .
But , if Elton John received 1 million from the scum newspaper for reporting a false story where he was meant to have had bym fun with a rent boy , then the families are in for a very nice payout and why the hell not .
The people of Liverpool will fight and fight and fight .
you answer my questions rothko, you are not a child to be constantly asking questions.
Here you go Pootle, got the st.john's ambulance bit wrong maybe.
Legal representatives for the families said that South Yorkshire police, Sheffield city council and Sheffield Wednesday FC could all face charges for corporate manslaughter.
Legal representatives for the families said that South Yorkshire police, Sheffield city council and Sheffield Wednesday FC could all face charges for corporate manslaughter.
Legal representatives for the families said that South Yorkshire police, Sheffield city council and Sheffield Wednesday FC could all face charges for corporate manslaughter.
so from that you've deduced the families objective includes money
complete conjecture
so from that you've deduced the families objective includes money
complete conjecture
captain
Ive asked you one question thats all - not a difficult one
your inability to answer it says a lot about you and all that you have been spouting on here
Ive asked you one question thats all - not a difficult one
your inability to answer it says a lot about you and all that you have been spouting on here
Captain Christy, you are the one who mentions compensation
Then when you get an answer about that, you say, look its about compensation
Yet your evidence for this is none existent
Drop your football rivalry nonsense, and think
You dont think it should be about compensation - neither do the families
You think it should be about legally holding those repsonsible and accountable - so do the families
Your assumption its about compensation is completely baseless
Thing is, I know deep down you are either
Trolling
or
Stupid
or
Just deeply blinded by football rivalry
I suspect you arent stupid, and I cant be bothered to argue with the other two attitudes any longer.
Then when you get an answer about that, you say, look its about compensation
Yet your evidence for this is none existent
Drop your football rivalry nonsense, and think
You dont think it should be about compensation - neither do the families
You think it should be about legally holding those repsonsible and accountable - so do the families
Your assumption its about compensation is completely baseless
Thing is, I know deep down you are either
Trolling
or
Stupid
or
Just deeply blinded by football rivalry
I suspect you arent stupid, and I cant be bothered to argue with the other two attitudes any longer.
Oh right so they plan to send Sheff Wed to jail then do they?
Well done Pootle, you are proved wrong so give up because it is ME! who is stupid???
the FA staged the game.
like regarding heysel i would not at all be suprised if someone from that organisation went to prison.
like regarding heysel i would not at all be suprised if someone from that organisation went to prison.
captain
you are really embarrassing yourself now
Ive wasted enough time on you
you're a real sad act
you are really embarrassing yourself now
Ive wasted enough time on you
you're a real sad act
Oh right so they plan to send Sheff Wed to jail then do they?
if you're on a wind up - its shameful that you choose this subject
if you mean this as a genuine question - youre just too stupid to deserve my time
if you're on a wind up - its shameful that you choose this subject
if you mean this as a genuine question - youre just too stupid to deserve my time
re. Heysel, i believe an official(s) in charge that day served prison sentences along with the convicted Liverpool fans
They are prosecuting these big organisations to get the money out of them, regardless of the fact that most people believe that the responsibility lies with the match commander.
but the Heysel process didnt drag on for decades like hillsborough unfortunately has
They are prosecuting these big organisations to get the money out of them
complete conjecture
complete conjecture
I am assuming you have half a brain raj, maybe I'm wrong.
course he is on a wind up
clearly shocked his lifelong belief that Liverpool fans caused it turns out to be not true.
well most fans knew it wasnt true just those who liked to use it as "banter"
clearly shocked his lifelong belief that Liverpool fans caused it turns out to be not true.
well most fans knew it wasnt true just those who liked to use it as "banter"
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Here you go Pootle, got the st.john's ambulance bit wrong maybe.
Legal representatives for the families said that South Yorkshire police, Sheffield city council and Sheffield Wednesday FC could all face charges for corporate manslaughter.
Well the police certainly could, I suspect the council and sheff wed, it will depend on their complicity regarding the safety certificate issue etc
I suspect the FA could be in **** too.
What I dont see in your quote there, is anything that mentions compensation.
Corporate manslaughter simple refers to holding a body responsible rather than an individual.
Anyway, if you want to believe the families are motivated by compensation that is up to you. I know for fact its not true in regards of those I know.
Some people still believe the earth is flat, irrespective of scientific evidence, as such it doesnt surprise me that someone on the internet will hold views that are baseless, especially when it comes to football
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Here you go Pootle, got the st.john's ambulance bit wrong maybe.
Legal representatives for the families said that South Yorkshire police, Sheffield city council and Sheffield Wednesday FC could all face charges for corporate manslaughter.
Well the police certainly could, I suspect the council and sheff wed, it will depend on their complicity regarding the safety certificate issue etc
I suspect the FA could be in **** too.
What I dont see in your quote there, is anything that mentions compensation.
Corporate manslaughter simple refers to holding a body responsible rather than an individual.
Anyway, if you want to believe the families are motivated by compensation that is up to you. I know for fact its not true in regards of those I know.
Some people still believe the earth is flat, irrespective of scientific evidence, as such it doesnt surprise me that someone on the internet will hold views that are baseless, especially when it comes to football
on the contrary
if you think thats the only outcome from pursuing a company legally then its your intelligence that should be questioned
if you think thats the only outcome from pursuing a company legally then its your intelligence that should be questioned
The reason they want to hold a body responsible is to get compensation, it is the elephant in the room, it will become ever more visible to even the likes of yourself.
The reason they want to hold a body responsible is to get compensation
so to sum up
- you think the only reason to take legal action against a company is money
- the only evidence you have that money is part of the motive here is your opinion
i dont think it takes a genius to see how poor a point youre making here
thanks for making it so clear tho
so to sum up
- you think the only reason to take legal action against a company is money
- the only evidence you have that money is part of the motive here is your opinion
i dont think it takes a genius to see how poor a point youre making here
thanks for making it so clear tho
ps you might want to research legal cases launched against the medical profession
who knows you might learn something
who knows you might learn something
ok then raj I will humour you, why would they go after a body rather than the match commander whom most people would suspect was the main culprit.
you know what - if you need that question answering then youre not worth conversing with
google it you mug
goodnight
google it you mug
goodnight
all completely vague, clearly it is the first shot in a claim for compensation.
CC
Have you ever lost a loved one in this sort of situation? The reason I ask is you give me the impression,by your replies,that something like this has happened to you but you weren`t able to make a claim.
No disrespect intended just an impression you give out.
Have you ever lost a loved one in this sort of situation? The reason I ask is you give me the impression,by your replies,that something like this has happened to you but you weren`t able to make a claim.
No disrespect intended just an impression you give out.
http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/history/media.shtm
The Immediate Aftermath
The Media Reaction
Surprisingly one of the most offensive reports came from much closer to home, the Liverpool Daily Post. An article written by John Williams and entitled: "I blame the yobs" warrants extensive quoting:
So it was at Hillsborough that the yobs made enough nuisance of themselves to convince the police that so-called gates of Hell were opened… the gatecrashers wreaked their fatal havoc. At best it was unfettered zeal. At worst it was uncontrolled fanaticism and mass hysteria which literally squeezed the life out of men, women and children. This was yobbism at its most base. People without tickets who had no right to be there were crushing to death their fellow Scousers. When it comes to apportioning blame, the accusatory finger can also be pointed at Liverpool. Scouse killed Scouse for no better reason than 22 men were kicking a ball.
Given that this journalist was working locally you might think that he would be more likely to have his finger on the pulse. Apparently not.
Neither was this some bizarre response to a disaster, written in a state of shock. In spite of a barrage of complaints the author stood "by every word with no apology". In fact he went on to write a second article reaffirming the contents of the first and also referring to "those who so thoughtlessly took lives away".
The Immediate Aftermath
The Media Reaction
Surprisingly one of the most offensive reports came from much closer to home, the Liverpool Daily Post. An article written by John Williams and entitled: "I blame the yobs" warrants extensive quoting:
So it was at Hillsborough that the yobs made enough nuisance of themselves to convince the police that so-called gates of Hell were opened… the gatecrashers wreaked their fatal havoc. At best it was unfettered zeal. At worst it was uncontrolled fanaticism and mass hysteria which literally squeezed the life out of men, women and children. This was yobbism at its most base. People without tickets who had no right to be there were crushing to death their fellow Scousers. When it comes to apportioning blame, the accusatory finger can also be pointed at Liverpool. Scouse killed Scouse for no better reason than 22 men were kicking a ball.
Given that this journalist was working locally you might think that he would be more likely to have his finger on the pulse. Apparently not.
Neither was this some bizarre response to a disaster, written in a state of shock. In spite of a barrage of complaints the author stood "by every word with no apology". In fact he went on to write a second article reaffirming the contents of the first and also referring to "those who so thoughtlessly took lives away".
thebetterbettor,
obviously this fellow wasn't at the Wolves v Spurs semi in 1981.
when a wall collapsed under the crush from Spurs fans.
at the front of the leppings lane end.
don't give me journalist versions of events, as a football fan at that time i KNOW what things were like.
including how the cops dealt with large crowds.
the author of those articles should now be hanging his head in shame.
obviously this fellow wasn't at the Wolves v Spurs semi in 1981.
when a wall collapsed under the crush from Spurs fans.
at the front of the leppings lane end.
don't give me journalist versions of events, as a football fan at that time i KNOW what things were like.
including how the cops dealt with large crowds.
the author of those articles should now be hanging his head in shame.
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