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I am betting on Betfair for over 8 years.
While the Live Football betting in Betfair was the best the previous years,
the last 2 years getting worse and worse day by day.
Seems like they apply dirty tricks like traditional bookmakers do and their service even if it is
still better than the other bookmakers has lose the quality it has the previous years.
a) They are suspending the Live games without reason every now and then.
b) It is very often lately to suspend the games right after you click to submit your bet.
Looks like they have an alert when somebody tries to place a bet and the game suspended
givin them time to check it out and see if something happens.
Of course most times nothing happens at that time and they unsuspend the game after a little time.
But for me, that i am placing many bets and have many tabs open at the same time with various
games, this tactic from the betfair side has cost me a lot money to bets that i considered as "placed" and they did not because they suspended the game during that time.
For somebody that places 1-2 bets this may not be obvious, but for me that i am betting
in most live games this happens to 60%+ of the games.
c) It happens very often too, to suspend the games just right after you click on the window
tab to see a specific game.
If you have, like me, many windows open with various games, you will see
that when you click on a tab to see a specific game, that game suspended for a while without
reason.
This seems too, like an automatic process/alert they apply to check the games.
d) ODDS
The way that they are playing with the odds is tragic and even a kid
can understand what they do.
My usual bets it's to lay the current score (half time or full time)
Normally the current score odds are dropping as the game played and gets close to the end
of the half.
This happens so many times that tends to become a rule.
You bring a window with a game in front.
You see odds like Back=1.51 Lay 1.54
You hit refresh and this changes to Back 1.95 Lay 2.05
And wondering how this happens as long as the odds dropping while the
game is played. It's obvious that betfair is cheating
The above is a real example and happened an hour ago to the game
Granitas Vilnius - FK Nevezis
They do this in every game, not so obviously but they do.
You see odds 1.6 -1.63 and after you refresh the odds become 1.75 -1.80
And nobody in betfair explains this in my many requests about it.
I am wondering, how can i see odds lower in the current score, and after my refresh
they become higher. Normally they had to be the same or lower
after my refresh because as the time goes to the end of the half,
odds in the current score must be dropping and not getting higher.
e) Lay ODDS disppearing - Back odds set to 1.09
The last 3 months this happens in the 80% of the games
While they reach the 40-41 min of the half and you can see
back and lay odds in the Back or Lay bets, suddenly
everything disappears (just like having a goal scored )
- usually there are no lay odds, just a column with back odds
- all the back odds are setting to very low value just like 1.09/1.10
You think that something have happen. Possibly a goal or a red card
But nothing have happen. They RESET everything without reason
and this way, do not allow you to place bets further.
===
As i said in the begining of this post, i am betting on betfair for over 8 years.
Betfair was not like this. I do not know what happened and they apply
such dirty tactics now.
It is not only that you get nervous, angry e.t.c but these tactics cost money
and are unethical.
While the Live Football betting in Betfair was the best the previous years,
the last 2 years getting worse and worse day by day.
Seems like they apply dirty tricks like traditional bookmakers do and their service even if it is
still better than the other bookmakers has lose the quality it has the previous years.
a) They are suspending the Live games without reason every now and then.
b) It is very often lately to suspend the games right after you click to submit your bet.
Looks like they have an alert when somebody tries to place a bet and the game suspended
givin them time to check it out and see if something happens.
Of course most times nothing happens at that time and they unsuspend the game after a little time.
But for me, that i am placing many bets and have many tabs open at the same time with various
games, this tactic from the betfair side has cost me a lot money to bets that i considered as "placed" and they did not because they suspended the game during that time.
For somebody that places 1-2 bets this may not be obvious, but for me that i am betting
in most live games this happens to 60%+ of the games.
c) It happens very often too, to suspend the games just right after you click on the window
tab to see a specific game.
If you have, like me, many windows open with various games, you will see
that when you click on a tab to see a specific game, that game suspended for a while without
reason.
This seems too, like an automatic process/alert they apply to check the games.
d) ODDS
The way that they are playing with the odds is tragic and even a kid
can understand what they do.
My usual bets it's to lay the current score (half time or full time)
Normally the current score odds are dropping as the game played and gets close to the end
of the half.
This happens so many times that tends to become a rule.
You bring a window with a game in front.
You see odds like Back=1.51 Lay 1.54
You hit refresh and this changes to Back 1.95 Lay 2.05
And wondering how this happens as long as the odds dropping while the
game is played. It's obvious that betfair is cheating
The above is a real example and happened an hour ago to the game
Granitas Vilnius - FK Nevezis
They do this in every game, not so obviously but they do.
You see odds 1.6 -1.63 and after you refresh the odds become 1.75 -1.80
And nobody in betfair explains this in my many requests about it.
I am wondering, how can i see odds lower in the current score, and after my refresh
they become higher. Normally they had to be the same or lower
after my refresh because as the time goes to the end of the half,
odds in the current score must be dropping and not getting higher.
e) Lay ODDS disppearing - Back odds set to 1.09
The last 3 months this happens in the 80% of the games
While they reach the 40-41 min of the half and you can see
back and lay odds in the Back or Lay bets, suddenly
everything disappears (just like having a goal scored )
- usually there are no lay odds, just a column with back odds
- all the back odds are setting to very low value just like 1.09/1.10
You think that something have happen. Possibly a goal or a red card
But nothing have happen. They RESET everything without reason
and this way, do not allow you to place bets further.
===
As i said in the begining of this post, i am betting on betfair for over 8 years.
Betfair was not like this. I do not know what happened and they apply
such dirty tactics now.
It is not only that you get nervous, angry e.t.c but these tactics cost money
and are unethical.
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I think your issues are probably caused more by bots than Betfair. I would love to see more done about bots scamming money and sometimes suspends to stop somebody taking advantage of coverage delays are the best way.
I am not sure what do you mean saying that my issues "probably caused more by bots than Betfair".
I am not using bots at all.
Bots do not suspend the games. Betfair does
Bots do not reset the odds. Betfair does
e.t.c.
I try to get some captures to make it more clear.
I am not using bots at all.
Bots do not suspend the games. Betfair does
Bots do not reset the odds. Betfair does
e.t.c.
I try to get some captures to make it more clear.
What you describe about the odds is caused by bots, not by betfair.
BFs cross matching scamming bot is an issue but it is not what the OP is complaining about.
Darlo Bantam is spot on.
Darlo Bantam is spot on.
Do you realise that when it suspends for you, it suspends for EVERYONE?
You are absolutely correct. Betfair's entire operation is geared specifically to stop you from betting. I know this because they employ little birds to watch you form the window... 
It's an old capture but you can see exactly
what i mean saying that they reeting everything near
the end of the halfs. (last five minutes or more in many cases)
This game has normal odds on both sides for back or lay.
Suddenly everything RESET about 7 minutes before the end of the half
without a specific reason (goal/red card e.t.c)
And remained like this without allowing further betting. (been this way)
It's not the only game. Happens to 80% of the games (not in major leagues)
what i mean saying that they reeting everything near
the end of the halfs. (last five minutes or more in many cases)
This game has normal odds on both sides for back or lay.
Suddenly everything RESET about 7 minutes before the end of the half
without a specific reason (goal/red card e.t.c)
And remained like this without allowing further betting. (been this way)
It's not the only game. Happens to 80% of the games (not in major leagues)
lack of liquidity might be partly to blame? it's definitely been getting worse this last year or so
I am not new in Betfair. I know exactly how the system was working before and how it changed now.
lack of liquidity may exist (but in the whole game) Not suddenly in the last few minutes while the game was looking normal everything to have been reset and has the above image.
And we do not talk for just 1-2 or some games. I would not mention. We talk about a very big percentage of the offered games to lack of liquidity SUDDENLY in a specific time.
And we do not talk for just 1-2 or some games. I would not mention. We talk about a very big percentage of the offered games to lack of liquidity SUDDENLY in a specific time.
wpciks.com, lately the bots choose to reset in the last few minutes maybe because the have found themselves losing money in the long run.
Again, nothing to do with betfair.
Again, nothing to do with betfair.
For the "A GOAL IS IMMINENT" : I do not know what betfair wants to do. I just wrote what i face every day betting on live games. I do not know if you just place a bet and go, but i spend over 5 hours/day on the betfair interface placing bets. And what i described happens and happens again and again.
For the "teo13" I could accept what you wrote for the bots. You may be right. But this does not mean that what i described does not happen.
For the "teo13" I could accept what you wrote for the bots. You may be right. But this does not mean that what i described does not happen.
Took this capture a few minutes ago
In the last min of the first half (score was 0-0)
In the last min of the first half (score was 0-0)
In the above image everything was okay when i placed the lay bet
in about 1.29. Suddenly everything RESET like the image above shows.
in about 1.29. Suddenly everything RESET like the image above shows.
Credit to you too. You are very clever that understood that i am foreigner.
Ive just had a look at your website. Why can't i see any past results? I used to run my own tipping site. I was a bit more expensive than you though. I charged £45 a month
My website have nothing to do with this. In fact it is not active since 1997 that used that name to sign up here. Just exists.
The problem is what i described here and not my website.
The problem is what i described here and not my website.
a total of £1531 matched in a womens game with no liquidity and then a suspend
of course it's going to go to the 1.01 lays that someone has obviously left in play.
if no other bets are kept in play then it's going to take a few seconds for people to put their bets back up.doh
of course it's going to go to the 1.01 lays that someone has obviously left in play.
if no other bets are kept in play then it's going to take a few seconds for people to put their bets back up.doh
betting live correct score on games like women's football and israeli league? how many other people are going to be involved in that in all seriousness. the games show about 917 EUR and 765 EUR matched on each (since betfair treat volume as both sides matching). that's tiny, and anyone operating a bot is liable to be cautious and shut down often (particularly if they can see something developing).
as for the refreshing thing, if you are serious about betting then you need to get some bespoke software. unfortunately geeks toy is no longer free, but it is a decent place to start, and there are others out there which can give you real time pricing without having to refresh a browser
as for the refreshing thing, if you are serious about betting then you need to get some bespoke software. unfortunately geeks toy is no longer free, but it is a decent place to start, and there are others out there which can give you real time pricing without having to refresh a browser
simply dont bet in low liquidity markets that u intent to trade out after some time
765 euro total in bets and u expect to get matched at the price u want thats not going to happen
765 euro total in bets and u expect to get matched at the price u want thats not going to happen
its sad but this years liquidity is absolutely shocking
For tambhoy5 "a total of £1531 matched in a womens game with no liquidity and then a suspend of course it's going to go to the 1.01"
This is what you did not not understand. The game never suspended. The odds just reset suddenly without an obvious reason.
And this is what i am trying to say here. The reset of the odds without reason that happens very often in many football games usually in the last 5-7 minutes of the halfs. (of course the reset of the odds after a suspension when a goal is scored or something else mentioned in the rules is happening, is acceptable ). What is not acceptable for me is the continuous resets of the odds without an obvious reason.
This is what you did not not understand. The game never suspended. The odds just reset suddenly without an obvious reason.
And this is what i am trying to say here. The reset of the odds without reason that happens very often in many football games usually in the last 5-7 minutes of the halfs. (of course the reset of the odds after a suspension when a goal is scored or something else mentioned in the rules is happening, is acceptable ). What is not acceptable for me is the continuous resets of the odds without an obvious reason.
you appear to have been on here for eight years and yet you don't seem to grasp how an exchange works. betfair are not doing anything. whoever it is putting up the lays is simply stopping at points during the game. they don't have to put prices up, any more than you or I do. you can put prices up yourself if you want, and take them down again at any time
sugarfoot in theory what are you saying sounds correct. But do you really believe that betfair does not get involved at all in the odds? Espessialy in the games with low liquidity? Do you really believe that? What is the purpose of the managed markets. Do you believe that are only the suspensions? Do you believe that betfair is far away from the odds that appear in the markets?
If you believe so, and it is like this, then you are right and i am wrong.
If you believe so, and it is like this, then you are right and i am wrong.
betfair have always shied away from seeding markets as it would have meant employing traders and taking on risk, which was never the intention of their business. as it was it was precisely that kind of thing that killed off sporting options (an early competitor).
the only direct involvement is/was in three areas as far as I know:
1 multiples (which is managed separately from the main business and involves hedging exposure)
2 big account business which was off screen anyway and was for liquid markets
3 cross-matching bot, which doesn't supply prices as such but only reflects what is already there
its much easier to let others do the winning and losing of money and then just take commission
the only direct involvement is/was in three areas as far as I know:
1 multiples (which is managed separately from the main business and involves hedging exposure)
2 big account business which was off screen anyway and was for liquid markets
3 cross-matching bot, which doesn't supply prices as such but only reflects what is already there
its much easier to let others do the winning and losing of money and then just take commission
sugarfoot is spot on.
With regards to your main points, disappearing prices would normally be due to bots or other punters withdrawing all their bets at the same time. If someone has a live feed and most of the market is made up of their prices they might press "cancel all bets" on the market screen. You see this happen frequently in cricket "innings run" markets when there is a 6 or a wicket.
Another possibility is a red card that has reset the markets that you havent noticed, or hasnt shown up on futbol24. This would be rarer but has been known to happen.
I play the correct score markets frequently, and often lay current correct scores (a dangerous game I have to say) but I never really do it in low liquidity markets. I am familair with the dropping prices as you say, and personally I have never seen the prices jump back up as you claim, without a significant event happening (sending off is again the most common). They can tend to jump about a bit right at the end when injury time is announced, but from 2.0 - 1.15 it is generally a pretty linear downward slope.
With regards to your main points, disappearing prices would normally be due to bots or other punters withdrawing all their bets at the same time. If someone has a live feed and most of the market is made up of their prices they might press "cancel all bets" on the market screen. You see this happen frequently in cricket "innings run" markets when there is a 6 or a wicket.
Another possibility is a red card that has reset the markets that you havent noticed, or hasnt shown up on futbol24. This would be rarer but has been known to happen.
I play the correct score markets frequently, and often lay current correct scores (a dangerous game I have to say) but I never really do it in low liquidity markets. I am familair with the dropping prices as you say, and personally I have never seen the prices jump back up as you claim, without a significant event happening (sending off is again the most common). They can tend to jump about a bit right at the end when injury time is announced, but from 2.0 - 1.15 it is generally a pretty linear downward slope.
marychain1 I would agree with you and the bots/feed explanation because what you say are possible to happening. I will also agree with all for the low liquidity markets.
The last 2 years the 95% of my bets is to lay the correct scores, and believe me, in a normal day i place more than 60-70 such bets.
What i mentioned for the odds increament is real, and i have face it in many of the bets i place. (During the refresh of the market, or after clicking to submit a bet e.t.c).
I have no way to prove that, as long as an image can not say anything.
The only way to prove it, is to set camtasia to take a video in real time and upload it somewhere posting a link here.
The last 2 years the 95% of my bets is to lay the correct scores, and believe me, in a normal day i place more than 60-70 such bets.
What i mentioned for the odds increament is real, and i have face it in many of the bets i place. (During the refresh of the market, or after clicking to submit a bet e.t.c).
I have no way to prove that, as long as an image can not say anything.
The only way to prove it, is to set camtasia to take a video in real time and upload it somewhere posting a link here.
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