Jan 14, 2013 -- 1:15PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:
Busquets is vastly under rated by those who don't see and appreciate the work he does.Obviously the plaudits go to Messi, Xavi and Iniesta but all three would admit that Busquets is the engine of the team.2 of Barca's worst performances this season were home and away to Celtic. Who missed both games? Busquets.Also let's not forget Barca were willing to let Yaya Toure (who is miles better than Carrick) leave because they had Busquets. It's laughable for anyone to think Carrick could cope with the style of football they play. He's not quick enough for a start.
^ This is what I was trying to say.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 9:27PM, the dza wrote:
Carrick is a very good player defensively, imo. I base that on watching him play for Spurs.Busquets is a very good player, but I don't think there is a huge gulf between him and Carrick.I also think Yaya Toure is a much better player than either of them.
Busquets is a better player than Toure quite easily in the DM role.
If you want to compare them as box players then Toure would be better but that is not Busquets position.
As for Carrick, he would not be in the top twenty DM's in the world right now and Busquets will go down as one of the best ever in that position.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 10:43PM, the dza wrote:
I don't think there is anything Carrick can do better than Yaya Toure, not one single aspect of his game imo.That goes for Busquets as well. They sold him coz Busquets is a good replacement, he plays the role very well and they could make £30m quid and not really be any weaker for it. But Toure is a superior player in every respect.You (Jamdav) won't agree, but there we go.
Thats not the case and Busquets had replaced him in the team before he left and justifiably so.
Busquets is clearly a better DM than Toure.
Anyone watching how the two performed for Barcelona could tell you that.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 10:56PM, the dza wrote:
You come off as a bit patronising JamDav.I watched them both play for Barca, I'm sure many of us here enjoy watching Barca games and watch them regularly. I know I do. And I don't see anything that Busquets does in a superior fashion to Yaya Toure when he played behind Xavi and Iniesta.I have a sneaky feeling that they won a few trophies with Yaya in that position.
Busquets is far better on the ball than Toure, is more mobile and reads the game better defensively.
Toure often looked off the pace with the passing of Xavi and Iniesta etc but had other strengths.
The man who worked with them both every day clearly though Busquets was better as he had him startting ahead of him.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 10:57PM, R0ykeane wrote:
the dza14 Jan 13 22:56Joined:06 Apr 05| Topic/replies: 6,866 | Blogger: the dza's blogYou come off as a bit patronising JamDav. understatement!
Coming from the man that calls anyone thick that does not agree with him.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 10:59PM, JamDav1982 wrote:
Jan 14, 2013 -- 10:57PM, R0ykeane wrote:the dza14 Jan 13 22:56Joined:06 Apr 05| Topic/replies: 6,866 | Blogger: the dza's blogYou come off as a bit patronising JamDav. understatement!Coming from the man that calls anyone thick that does not agree with him.
Carrick slot into the Barcelona system? Are for real?
Busquets was doing things in last nights game that Carrick could only dream of doing.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:02PM, Winner_Winner_Chicken_Diner wrote:
easily The Euros proved otherwise, De Rossi easily one of the best in the comp and capable of covering many positions. Saying easily just comes across as rather idiotic tbh
Busquets in team of comp says differently.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:02PM, the dza wrote:
IMO, Busquets was starting ahead of Toure due to Toure being primed for a move (cashing in) and Busquets being groomed as his replacement. That's sensible management, but I don't necessarily think it means the coach thinks Busquets is the much better player. My opinion, obviously.
You are just making things up now!
Since when do teams drop players and weaken the team to try and sell them?
Guardiola clearly rated Busquets as the better player by the time Toure left. When Toure did get games it was often in defence or in one of the more forward midfield positions by that point.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:08PM, Winner_Winner_Chicken_Diner wrote:
God I do wonder about you sometimes Jam.... But do carry one, its rather funny you posting your "opinion" around every thread you enter as if its a fact.....The fact you can look objectivity on anything will always let you down
Everyone is giving their opinion you nugget.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:17PM, the dza wrote:
I'm not making thing up Jam, I quite clearly said it's my opinion. You could be right for all I know, but Toure himself complained of being ignored by Guardiola etc. Things aren't always black and white and if a club is planning on cashing in on an expendable asset because they have a good youngster coming through, then it's not that much of a far-fetched scenario. I don't think every youngster that comes in and takes the place of a first-teamer is necessarily thought of as a better player by the coach at that time. Much of the time (imo), it's because the coach thinks it's the best move for the club in the long term; the older player can be sold for good money and the youngster can develop into a quality player by getting the game time he needs.
Do you honestly think Guardiola would not chose his strongest team in the semi final of the CL?
Busquets replaced Toure that season and it was merited on ability it was quite clear.
Barcelona nor any other top team would weaken their side purely to let a youngster in. Busquets was better than Toure by the time he left and Guardiola clearly thought it and called him the best DM in the world.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:21PM, the dza wrote:
The quotes are high praise indeed, but this one is debatable, surely?Xavi: “Without Busquets, Barcelona and Spain could never had achieved what we have achieved” Barca won the lot without Busquets and Spain won Euro 2008 with Senna as the defensive midfielder.Now if Xavi had said that about himself or Iniesta, I'd be inclined to agree...
Of course they won a lot without him but both side have won more with him and both are up there as the greatest sides ever due to the way they keep the ball, in which he is a massive part.
Thats is the point.
He is considered at Barca to be the best one touch player etc.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:27PM, Winner_Winner_Chicken_Diner wrote:
Once again Jam fails to see another opinion/ totally misses the point....I merely laughed at you saying easily but coming from you its no surprise...Maybe when you get your dick out of all things Barca/Spain related you can reason with people....You do show yourself up to be an idiot most times you post on here....
I said easily as Busquets is without doubt the better DM than De Rossi and any team in the world would pick Busquets ahead of him.
Last nights game was an example of how good he is. His passing was phenomenal ans he totally shut down Isco and Jaoquin.
Other DM's like De Rossi may charge about more, cover more ground etc but I dont think there has ever been a DM that mixes ability on the ball and defensive reading of the game the way Busquets does.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:32PM, the dza wrote:
Well, I conceed there then Jam. Guardiola thought he was better...but I don't. Same as I thought Modric was an over-rated player for Spurs and not an upgrade on Alonso. Jose should have called me and saved himself a few quid.Then again, I once thought Andy Caroll might be a decent buy for Spurs, so I clearly don't know it all (my profit/loss would provide further evidence of that...)So my final say:1. Toure (Yaya)2. Busquets3. Carrick
Guardiola had it -
Thats says far more.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:43PM, Winner_Winner_Chicken_Diner wrote:
De Rossi does not charge about, only when he has to.....But under pressure he is calm, driving forward he can do that and passing/shooting excellent....If he played for Barcelona he would fit in like a hand in a glove....One plays for Barca, the other Roma and that makes a big difference...Imo, his performance against Spain in the opening game of the Euros was one of the best individual performances of the tournament and showed his pedigreehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ4Kdl08nP8Played as a sweeper in that game and set many things up as well as defending...Watch and and tell me different though...
Wow you think De Rossi could fit into Barcelona's passing style as well as Busquets!!!
Take a lie down son.
Jan 14, 2013 -- 11:52PM, arrested development wrote:
De Rossi is a much more complete player than any of the others mentioned on this thread to be fair, I maybe have missed something with Busquets but DDR can do a bit of everything while SB is purely a DM whose job is made relatively simple by having several of the best players in the world in front of him everytime he plays .... Plus DDR is an absolute warrior who I've never seen rolling around like an avon lady in an attempt to get his opponents sent off.
You are missing the point that the best players in the world have it easier with them behind them.
In the best one touch passing team in the world he is considered the best within the club at it.
I would agree De Rossi is the more complete midfielder but not the better DM.
Jan 15, 2013 -- 10:06AM, R0ykeane wrote:
*Vacating the space or risk losing the ball in those areas when teams swiftly worked out he'd dribble from there.I'm making a very narrow point that seems to be getting lost in alot of noise. For that specific role in that specific team I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that:A) Carrick could come in and slot seamlessly into that barcelona sideB) That both he and Busquets are better suited to the overall betterment of that side in that role than Toure.To say that Toure can do everything that Carrick can do and better is like saying Rooney can do everything Roy Keane could do and better.... don't see Rooney making a better midfield general anytime soon.
Carrick has nowhere close to the defensive ability or technique in tight areas to get near the Barcelona team.
Jan 15, 2013 -- 11:08AM, Winner_Winner_Chicken_Diner wrote:
Ability of someone like Riquelme on the ball. ffsIf you wanted to make a comparison, you could have mentioned one of the most under rated players in the last 20 years...Fernando Redondo. But Biscuits will never have his class ever
Winner Winner I stand by that 100%.
Busquets is unreal on the ball.
Jan 15, 2013 -- 1:24PM, CheltenhamRoar wrote:
This JamDav príck is as patronising as they come on here,Tried telling me as a fact that Rio,Vidic and even phil jones were far superior defenders to Chris Smalling,absolute clown.
Haha wow I stand by that one all day long. Chris Smalling is average.
Its hard not seem patronising to someone so dim.
Jan 15, 2013 -- 3:08PM, CheltenhamRoar wrote:
That type of comment sums up your knowledge of the game,So Busquets is world class,and Smalling is average,Go have a lie down.
I hope for your own sake you are fishing.
Busquets is the best in the world in his position.
Smalling is average and at best the fourth choice center half at his club.
Jan 16, 2013 -- 3:55PM, muzzyeire wrote:
carrick is a bit like scholes never truely valued in england, scholes only ever got the praise he deserved in recent years despite being the best player to ever grace the premiership. carricks credibility was ruined by both champions league finals against barcelona, in 09 he was identified by xavi as uniteds main threat and clearly targeted by both xavi and iniesta who ruthlessly pressed him throughout and never gave him a sniff in 11 champs league final as barcelona formed a triangle around him containing Messi Iniesta and Xavi,officially the world's best three players at the time according to FIFA, the criticism was unfair as it wasnt only carrick but the team who massively under performed. if carrick performs aswel as he can in the next round of the champs league maybe he wil start to get the praise he deserves
Carrick will never be close to the player Scholes was.
He is a good player having a good season but nowhere near the top midfield players as Scholes was.