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John Terry charged by the FA
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The trouble with "debating" this issue on a football forum is that tribalism takes over quite quicky.My personal feelings in the Suarez case is that Evra is a horrible little sh1te and could wind up mother theresa.He's been a nasty piece of work throughout his career and i'd love the opportunity to play aginst him......but courts,fortunately,dont think like that.
I think the FA do. |
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From the stands, players get dogs abuse and swore at etc. But then, perhaps try calling a black player a "black c**t" at a football match and then use Terry's defence and see what happens. That defence might get you off in court, but it wouldn't stop a club from barring you entry to any of their matches.
This is the scenario set for the FA. |
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yes sj, there is still a major problem in this country with racism
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Racism towards blacks is nowhere near rife.
I think whites are equally,maybe more,insulted by blacks......they just tend not to report it,imo |
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It is for the FA to satisfy us on the balance of probability that Mr Suarez
breached the Rules. Suarez pinched his skin. Suarezs defence made no sense. Suarez admitted to using the word 'negro'. On the balance of probabilities it seems obvious that Suarez more likely than not breached the rules. I'm interested in the counter case Ben has. |
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RMB © 28 Jul 12 10:57
Racism isn't rife still? Mind boggling. Watch the Clarke Carlise programme mate. It will help you. No racism is not rife in this country's football much like BBC dont try and make something otu of nothing which isnt there. All of the players on them said they had never experienced it in this country. Must try harder |
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^^ key in RMB's post there "balance of probabilitiy". That's how the FA go about their charges, not "beyond reasonable doubt" as is the requirement in a criminal case.
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I never said racism was rife in UK football. Desperate stuff I'm afraid
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donny, Suarez admitted to saying something that translates in English as "Why, black?". That is not racially motivated abuse. Therefore, he has not admitted to using racially motivated abuse.
RMB, pinching skin is not racially motivated abuse. He also put his hand on the back of Evra's head in the video you posted - was that racially motivated abuse too? Suarez's defence may have made no sense, but neither did Evra's accusation, in which he lied. Yes, Suarez admitted to using a word, a word that has no meaning in the English language (note pronunciation of 'neg-gro', not 'knee-grow'), a word that is used in the Spanish language (the one in which it was spoken) as a term to address friends and family (this is an example, I'm not saying Evra is either to Suarez). The facts are that there is no evidence that Suarez was racist, yet he was punished as though he was. He was found guilty based on the balance of probability, when taking the word of a liar in to account. In reaching a fair and just verdict, the word of a liar cannot be taken as truth. |
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ben, dont be silly
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Silly, that's being kind. It's delusional codswallop.
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RMB, how have you gone from calling me deluded, to agreeing with me, to calling me deluded again? Peculiar behaviour to say the least.
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You make a coherent case, then make a nonsensical one. I reply in kind, surely not to hard to grasp?
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Which bit was nonsensical? My case has remained the same throughout!
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Suarez putting his arm around Evras head was clearly a conciliatory move. The pinching of the skin backs up Evras claim that his skin colour was being referred to. On the balance of probabilities it appears Suarez was more likely to be doing this and being conciliatory or perhaps flirting with him (your technique I believe).
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Ok RMB. I'm glad you havent been blinkered with your Manchester United links whilst it a amusing when Rio agrre and laughs with racial insults regarding Ashley Cole, but wants a year's banfor Terry. LOL. Isa y good day to you sir.
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Did Rio call Cole a black c***? Or did he laugh at an amusing joke?
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You keep missing the key point RMB. You refer to 'Evra's claim'. Exactly. This is all based on Evra's claims. This all comes after Evra had lied in his initial accusation. Therefore, anything that comes after cannot be trusted, because he had lied initially.
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Lying and interpreting something incorrectly are wholly different. He accused Suarez of calling him a 'n***er' based on the incorrect interpretation of 'negros'. His initial accusation was in essence that he was referred to and insulted by remarks to do with his skin colour. The FA found this to be more likely true than not. You seem to think that this isn't the case, and I am wondering how you come to that conclusion.
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I don't think you will get through to him RMB. Enjoy your Saturday!
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Cheers dza, you too! I fear you are right!
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Yes they are RMB, and Evra knew at the time that he accused Suarez of calling him a 'n***er' that that was not the case. Ergo, he lied.
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dza, the bitter front wheeler on here 24/7 spouting his nonsense ,one can understand his frustrations though being a Spurs loser.
It doesnt matter what the FA do now in their kangaroo courts ,a higher court has delivered it's verdict on the Terry case ,had Suarez gone to a higher court, he may well have been found guilty there as well. The Terry court case worked very well for JT and Chelsea FC in the end  . [ This image is no longer available. ]Not so well for Tottenham . |
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http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/tale-of-two-racisms/
I'm really looking forward to seeing how the press react to this one. |
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People like Evra and Ferdinand will only assist in increasing racism. People have made far worse remarks to me than insulting the colour of my skin, I don't go whingin' to authorities. I sort it in a manly way.
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RMB © 28 Jul 12 11:15
Did Rio call Cole a black c***? Or did he laugh at an amusing joke? Oh a joke?  |
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MrMeaner 28 Jul 12 12:06
http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/tale-of-two-racisms/ Thats is a great piece To brand a man a racist requires only a balance of probability, according to the FA.” |