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Hey guys. I am writing this because I believe since i started beting ( since the last season), I noticed i have difficulties to focus/dedicate myself on some kind of strategy or plan. To make it easier to explain, i ruined my account like 5 or 6 times after having nice and quick profits, but the god dam all ins ****ed me over, so i stopped betting for 4-5 months and started again since Euro 2012 started.
When i first started, i only placed bets on who would win, simple bets, or on who would score the next goal, but since I discovered the trading system, it´s been "hard" times, mainly because with my current cash avaiable, its very hard to get real and nice profit from trading, adding the fact that for trading you need to waste a lot of time, to win a couple of euros or less than that? For me that is clearly not worthed. In my opinion trading with less than at least 300 euros isnt really worthed. if you want to have actually decent profit.
Following my rule of not beting over 10 15 % of my cash, trading seems like a dream to me, so until i reach like 250-300 euros its out of question.
So my big question for you guys is, if you are not trading, what are you doing? Watching the games and beting on some team, check the statistics and place a bet even before the game starts?
Thanks
When i first started, i only placed bets on who would win, simple bets, or on who would score the next goal, but since I discovered the trading system, it´s been "hard" times, mainly because with my current cash avaiable, its very hard to get real and nice profit from trading, adding the fact that for trading you need to waste a lot of time, to win a couple of euros or less than that? For me that is clearly not worthed. In my opinion trading with less than at least 300 euros isnt really worthed. if you want to have actually decent profit.
Following my rule of not beting over 10 15 % of my cash, trading seems like a dream to me, so until i reach like 250-300 euros its out of question.
So my big question for you guys is, if you are not trading, what are you doing? Watching the games and beting on some team, check the statistics and place a bet even before the game starts?
Thanks
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I don't really have much of a system. A lot of the time I go with my gut feeling which I add to my small amount of knowledge I have along with a look at the form.
My advice is to lay lay lay lay lay, sometimes back to win. Rough stats are 80% lay, 20% back I aim for a return of £5-£10 return per bet. I generally look to make min £50 per day. I've had a good last 7 days.............. Baseball: £11.92 | Basketball: £9.64 | Boxing: £19.33 | Golf: £6.07 | Greyhound Racing: £56.08 | Horse Racing: £556.61 | Rugby League: -£28.69 | Soccer: -£86.92 | Tennis: -£0.72 | Tote: | Total P&L: £543.32 Try it with a bank of £50, try and win £2-£3 per bet, it soon adds up Good luck |
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Thanks for your reply, that is some system i think, having an aim of 50 per day is quite an ambitious objective,pretty intersting. Some Lays are good and some are risky as well. Do you lay the obvious things or go for the uncertain bets?(knowing nothing is obvious and everything is uncertain:) )
Currently my bank is of 100..I have been betting really short amounts since Im not willing to lose everything again |
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Only bet when you feel sure the odds on offer are in your favour,
which is not often. It doesn't mean you will always win, even good value bets fail, but if your reasons for making your bet are sound you will win. GL. |
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A lot of my bets are pretty uncertain. When you are laying, you tend to win more than you lose. When you hit a loser or even 2 in a row. Take a deep breath and carry on as normal. You will soon get ahead.
I find that the Aussie racing is good for backing a horse to be placed. There's an awful lot of dead wood in the races that are high odds. Generally 8-14 runner races only have about 4 or 5 genuine contenders for the win. I just narrow it down and back a horse to be placed in the first 3. This can offer anywhere between 1.23 - 2.00. |
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correct staking is a must. i have my fair share of losses but because i stake appropriately i still end up with profits. patience is key. also learn to put your last bet/trade behind you. whether it won or lost doesn't matter now; it has no bearing on future bets/trades.
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A strategy adopted by many on here that has been very lucrative, has been to wait for HorseRacingExpert's MUG bets, then lay them.
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Back winners and lay losers.
HTH. |
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Thanks for your replys in first place.
I know absolutely nothing about horse racing, if anyone here has the patience to tell me about it,would be great :) |
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The only and best advice you need:
Place winning bets. |
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back under 2.5 goals on the day of a game when the top 6 in the english premier league play each other. back usually around 2.2 or 2.3 if your lucky and most of time is evens at kickoff when price bombs
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back high lay low, as simple as that. analyze every bet at the end of each week, adjust your bets accordingly .
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my best, most profitable strategy consists of a newspaper, a blindfold and a cocktail stick.
btw...if you contact me before 7 oclock, i'm selling tonights lottery numbers...£1 a number.....3 for 2 quid |
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lay the tractors
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Anywhere on this forum mainly here and horse racing he does venture over to the tennis forum now and again.Just look out for the attention seeking person called horseracingexpert he creates threads that say free money etc
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lay teams that are out of form and are away from home..
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sounds like you know you need to turn 100 into 300 and apply some trading. My advice would be to back what you think may happen in that match, and then watch that match. If you start feeling uncomfortable - change your position. Red out if you backed short.
Good luck getting to 300. And, yes, stay out of all-in!! |
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Following my rule of not beting over 10 15 % of my cash
10% to 15%?? Too much, way too much. I never risk more than 1% in any given bet or trade. Then compound. Have a look at my old blog, few quality posts still there: http://lay5.blogspot.com/2009/09/interes-compuesto.html |
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get pissed lose money, always works
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TRADER .... Explain yourself , i'm not sure i follow you ??? . You dont bet 10% of youryour bank
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Warren, I was quoting what the OP said. He said he would bet 10% to 15% of his bank.
I said: I never risk more than 1% in any given bet or trade. Then compound. |
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TRADR
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TRADER , I got that , but you've still not explained it any better . If you priced up a horse at
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3-1 , and was going to have £50 on , then found out it was 5-1 , how would you bet ?
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Warren, not quite sure what you mean. Are you talking about a trade or what?
I rarely back anything higher than 2.20 anyway. Once again, never risk more than 1% of my bank on any bet or trade. |
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Yeah well if you dont bet more than 1%, its because you dont want to expose yourself much, or because you got a short bank, probably first option. anyways i have been on a great winning streak with my short bets , the only 4 i got wrong were ones i bet on a team to score next goal, and all the 4 go hit the crossbar
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Thanks for replys btw
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Trader11 i have just been in your blog and yeah, i agree with your method of not beting mroe than 1% in each bet after what i read, but, comparings banks, if i do not risk more than 1 % of my cash, then i will take ages to achieve something decent( my bank is currently 102 euros..started with 20)
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A lot of dross advice on here and most of it
should be ignored. One piece of advice to remember...only bet when the odds are in your favour, if you don't you will lose, despite any staking plan. |
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Ken has it spot on
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ANYONE telling you their strategies / systems and claiming they make money is a 24 carat fantasist
The Goose that lays the Golden Egg is not for sale and is certainly not free on an internet forum full of numpties HTH GL Ed |
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ken...is so far wide of the mark, it couldn't be true...a simpleton with simpleton advice...the odds are only in your favour when you have traded out at a better price or arbed...no wonder so many people on here lose with dopey ken giving advice....lol, you couldn't make it up....btw i make between 500 and 1000 a day,,,what about you clever ken, with the odds in your favour...lol
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oh...and rarely are the odds in my favour......lol
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So you make £275,000 per year fly? Never have a losing day?
I'm a poker player, not a punter but I bet very cautiously and look for discrepancies in the prices. I put up a thread yesterday Ayr v Glentoran and while I hit lucky in the end I still feel the bookies called this wrong. The mug punters followed the bookies however and the markets reflected this. I backed high and layed low and came out with a profit. The odds compiler for William Hill bookies for Irish League football approached me one day and asked me how I felt our coming season would be. When I asked him how he picked his prices, he said he just looked at other sites and exchanges and seen what odds they were offering. Now he was the only compiler for WH for that market but what if he got it wrong? What if the others got it wrong assuming they operate the same system? Kenilworth is correct, look for odds in your favour. I adopt the same strategy in poker and it does me nicely. I don't call draws without the odds while I don't give odds when I'm ahead. I can't claim to be a decent punter because I'm not one. I do keep loads of records and think long and hard when I lose a bet. |
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theflyget, been on Betfair nearly 4 weeks now ? Yeah, ok
I hear what you say. dream on. |
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The odds compiler for William Hill bookies for Irish League football approached me one day and asked me how I felt our coming season would be.............
was he wearing a trilby and spats with a pencil behind his ear......... who said i was laughing.......lol |
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My story is 100% true.
He knew I'm a big follower of Irish League Football and was asking for my opinion. Whether he had to run the prices through his boss is irrelevant. There is only 1 compiler for Irish League Football on William Hill which can be exploited. My story is 100% true but is yours? |