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the problem with rooney is
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If Rooney was born in a Latin nation, he would be nowhere near as celebrated as he is. he is a fine player, but nowhere near the level the media hype him up to be. He has good vision, but lacks pace and could never beat a man with his pace or dribbling ability. His primary attributes are his vision, passing and shooting. He is always gooing to struggle with England due to the inability of the English midfielders to retain the ball.
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What that last man said.
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rare to have anyone ever agree with me paddletoe, cheers
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Neil
I agree a fit Rooney probably our best player in England but against Ronaldo or Messi say he's miles adrift surely? |
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you can't drop him and you can't rely on him. and when he goes missing the other players don't seem to step up. it's like they're thinking, "winning it's wazza's job."
a braver manager would have subbed him tonight. |
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Yeah, agree, he is good though, but when your dropping off the centre forward and your central midfielder can't pick you out with a pass, it is very easy to become marginalised in a game. What England need to do is focus more on technique in the coaching department from a wrong age.
On the comparison with ronny and Messi, both of those guys can pick up the ball and beat 2 or 3 players each time, Rooney can't do this and that is the big difference. |
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you're*
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young are rather,
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age*
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holy ****
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Neil
Exactly he may be our best but our best is about 7.5/10 when he's fit which compared to about 10 better teams that's just not good enough. |
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It tells you all you need to know about the media hype surrounding england and how much their players are over rated when the talent of players like Rooney rises when they are out injured or suspended.
Take a player like Frank Lampard. A good player but nothing more than that. Take him out of the chelsea team and put him in a stoke jersey and he would not stand out as being anything above average. |
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Paddle
Yep frank's another one. Been 7/10 at best at losing it a bit now. "the great world class frank lampard" ............ what utter nonsense! |
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Scot Parker at age 32 becomes the england captain and therefore a player you cant even drop no matter how bad he is playing. Now he is not the worst player in the world. But you cant make a player like that captain and by definition guarantee him his place in the team.
I thought the only england attack minded player to show any glimpse of talent was the young lad chamberlain and he was not seen after the firt match. |
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Chamberlain will be a player I agree, great technique, physique and imagination and Wenger won't coach it out of him.
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I heard a stat tonight which was incredible. Outside of the 1966 world cup when they were at home England have NEVER EVER beaten a top footballing nation in any major tournament.
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except spain in 1996 - when they were also at home.
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The problem is not with Rooney it is with us. We take a bright young talent and turn him into a massive hero before he actually is. And we keep insisting he is our hero even while he is waddling around like a pregnant asthmatic penguin and expect him to perform like a supreme athlete such as Ronaldo.
I'm no expert on football but with my limited capacity I would say that England played better without Rooney. Yet if the manager had not played him and we got past Italy and then lost out to Germany the media and public would have crucified him for it. |
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the problem with Rooney is that if he misses games due to injury or suspension he seems to lose his conditioning faster than other players.
Seen it regularly at United, misses a few games and comes back looking very sluggish. |
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He's unfit and his legs have gone. He can't outpace many defenders any more and he can't put the ball past them and get past them to be first to the ball. He can't dribble past defenders. He can move sideways but he's quite static in attack and relies on getting the ball and getting a space from his marker and spotting a gap in the massed defence and having a shot. That only works once in a blue moon. Then he tries to lose defenders on a short run into goal and that's working a bit more often. Compared to some he's quite good at all that but it's not unique any more.
Yes he can run up and down the pitch and he can hold the ball up until the rest of the (inept) attack arrives but most big forwards can do that using their size and that's also not that unique. What else to say but there's not much choice for England and maybe he's the best available to them but that's a reflection on the paucity of talent available to England these days. No matter how much the BBC etc recites Shakespeare in the build up to any competition or game it doesn't change the awful state of things. He'll still do a job in the Premier" Division because of it's below par general level of footie. I see Wimbledon starts today and for sure the BBC will be doing it's bit for Shakespeare again. Expect similar success to the footie team. (I've got nothing against Shakespeare in general  ) |
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I keep reading 'the media would have crucified hodgson if.....'
I'm sorry, that is what he and managers before him, are (very well) paid to do. Make the big decisions. Never mind not playing yesterday, IMO Rooney should not have gone to the tournament full stop. He was unfit, has not played well for England in a tournament since 2004 - to the contrary, he's been a red-card in waiting. At this tournamnet he was always going to be a malign influence over other forwards selected for the first two games, knowing no matter how well they played ooney was always going to come back in. Every tournament, we have one player deemed indispensible to the England cause. Brian Robson, David Beckham, Wayne Rooney and so the list goes on. How many of those players have gone on to stamp their authority on a tournament, turning up after injury? How debilitationg to team morale is it to hear 'we stand no chance without our latest talisman' - who then ends up having feet of clay? |
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^good post
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I agree with the thrust of rogerthebutler's post but this wasnt injury related as most other situations he ites were about. I didn't have a problem taking Rooney, I just can't believe he was so unfit. It wasn't match sharpness, he was too heavy. Looked like he was coming back for a ore-season friendly. Shocking really.
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it speaks to a sense of entitlement, really.
you'd hope he'd think, "I can't play the first two games and it's my fault, but the manager's taking me anyway. And that means someone else is missing out, and someone's going to be dropped even if they play well. So I'm going to make bloody sure I'm in shape and run myself into the ground when I do play." but no, he seemingly went on a mcdonalds bender instead. what total contempt that shows for his fellow players. |
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Spot on viva. I'm really really disappointed in him. I can accept players not playing well. Sometimes they'll give it their all but it just doesn't go for them. Rooney's case is a disgrace.
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roger sums it up above
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I suspect quite a few of the players have the same attitude as Rooney but it's just that it's become more obvious with Rooney.
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