AVB Denies he is going to Spurs

tucky, they've finished 4,5,4 in the last threee seasons, but now they're phucked

jed.davison 28 Jun 12 09:36 
I seem to remember people saying before last season that Spurs had had their day. When will people begin to realise that this Tottenham squad is actually very good





Last seasons Spurs squad was very good, but you appear to be forgetting that this seasons Spurs squad is likely to be minus Adebayor and Modric.

Good first 11 and 15/16 players, but you need a bigger squad to sustain it.  Not enough options in the front and wide areas to cover for injury, form and suspensions.

Spurs are early 3s to finish in the top 4.  I'd lay that.

Adebayor?

That's not meant to sound as an attack on your club.  Just my opinion as an impartial observer.  Spurs are great to watch and hope they do well.  Just can't see it unless you make 4/5 top quality signings.

Jury out on AVB for me but most of the forum could manage the Spurs squad to top 4, Redknapp did it working part time, he's won 1 trophy in 30 years, Jol nearly did it too.

If Mourinho managed this squad they'd be joint favs to win the league

Exactly blackburn.

Adebayor is a non-trier of the first order, and massively over-rated. Spurs would have finished higher if his starts had been dished out between Pavlyuchenko and Defoe, and he had stayed in the stand at the Etihad.

Modric is a decent player, but only an idiot would contend that he is some sort of world-beater.

We will miss Modric more than Adebayor, but neither of them is irreplaceable.

blackburn 28 Jun 12 09:40 
Adebayor?




What exactly are you asking?

He's asking, as a man who probably watched every game Spurs played last season, why anyone would think Spurs would be a worse team without Adebayor.

Old story, and the odds tell you it's nonsense

Oh, this is a bump anyway

Adebayor is a useful player desperate to stay at Spurs, if he does it will be for a massive pay cut. Theres about 50000 blokes in the country who could chuck a ball to Adebayor, VDV, Bale, Modric, Walker, Sandro, Lennon etc etc and expect them to finish top 4 minimum. Its an endictment of Redknapp that he almost managed to phuck it up, they finished 4th despite bigmouth.

He got 17 goals last season, was the leagues 4th top scorer.

I'm not saying they're world beaters but i'd have thought it was fairly obvious that Spurs would be weakened by him and Modric not being there.

As for whether you'll be a worse team, who knows, depends who you sign obviously. I agree with most though, 4th last season is as good as it gets for Spurs.

He got 17 League goals? Big deal. How many did Defoe score? And in how many minutes on the pitch compared to Adebayor?

And how many penalties?

Ade did a good job, if he comes back it'll be on Spurs terms

jed.davison

Modric is a decent player, but only an idiot would contend that he is some sort of world-beater.

We will miss Modric more than Adebayor, but neither of them is irreplaceable.


I'm going solely by what I see on the TV, so as a Spurs fan you'll know way better than me, but just about every time I see Modric play he's immense.  Why is it that you don't consider him as one of the top midfielders in the game?

Modric is the kind of player who is most appreciated when he's gone.  As other top clubs have found, notably Liverpool and Man United.

Should score more goals though.

Rob, please note that I'm not knocking Modric, far from it. He is a lovely little player, with superb ball skills and unusual strength for a man his size. He's just not the player a lot of people think he is i.e a game-changer. I would keep him and add a game-changer given the choice, but Redknapp was right to think that £40m should have been trousered in exchange. Only Levy's intransigence denied him his move last pre-season, and it is to Modric's immense credit that he went about his business seemingly unaffected by his natural disappointment.

jed.davison 28 Jun 12 09:53 
He got 17 League goals? Big deal. How many did Defoe score? And in how many minutes on the pitch compared to Adebayor?




Defoe - 11 in 25 games
Adebayor - 17 in 33 games

No idea on actual minutes played.

I don't care if Defoe got a goal every 10 minutes, there must be a reason why Harry didn't play him. And in any case that's still irrelevant as my point isn't about how good Defoe is, it's that you'll be a weaker squad without Adebayor. Only a fool would argue that the leagues 4th top scorer (and 4th highest assists too) won't be a loss to the squad.

He would of course be a loss to any squad in numerical terms, but my point is that at the prices and wages quoted, he is about as much of a bargain as the Trident missile system. Spurs will of course need to buy two-centre-forwards before the start of the season anyway having lost Pavlyuchenko and possibly van der vaart, and spending so much of the budget on a guy who puts it all in about twice a season makes no sense whatsoever.

Problem with anyone like jed who watches a game on tv is an expert who fail to see what the tv doesn't show.

Modfric is THE GO-TO player in the prem,i.e.he turns defense into attack without giving the ball away which is something you can not say about anyone else in the prem.

It is well known his only weakness is he doesn't score enough goals.

What I should have added that if he has any sense he will put in  a transfer request if AVB is the manager, and that's spoken as a Spurs season ticket holder.

figgy you plank he put in a request under Redknapp who was ok with him leaving, it was Levy who dug his heels in

figgy and blackie should get their own tv show,i wouldn't mind paying an extra score on my sky bill for the pleasure

agree sj,very good.

they are the Statler and Waldorf of the betfair forum

The soppy old duffer

as a Chelsea fan
I am sure AVB has got ability
but it still beats me why Spurs want him

or sacked Harry for that matter

also as a Chelsea fan
we still want Modric

H and Levy played good cop, bad cop,although blackburn is too dumb to realise that.

Any team in their right mind would want Modric ebul,if he goes it's extremely unlikely he would go to one of our parochial or national rivals.

figgy, do you think Bale was told the new boss before signing a new deal?

I think he was, you wouldnt sign a new deal if you had top teams interested in you if you chose to leave unless you knew who was going to be in charge.

Bale was almost certainly told,but then he may also have a lot more faith in the whole set up at Spurs than some supporters i could mention.

He'd also know how his fellow players feel - i'd guess that most feel particularly p1ssed off that the aren't playing CL this season and at least a few will place the blame at the door of the greatest manager who ever lived.

And i'm sure he is aware of the general progression at the club,from top to bottom,which had b*gger all to do with the old manager.

Exactly

It would be typical of footballers not to take any responsibility for the poor end of season form when there is a ready made excuse in 'Arry.

Yeah i'm sure the players weren't out on their feet for the final 2 months due to s0d all rotation/bad tactics and it was just a case of them not trying hard enough.

i so hate when people use s*** like 'that's spoken as a Spurs season ticket holder'

not sure why that would qualify the opinion to be any better than others.

There is no doubt Modric is an excellent player...but he's certainly not irreplaceable in the team. For me he's a quality workhorse.

If Levy can get a good fee for him (which he will if he go's then fine)...the statement has been made with Bales new contract.

AVB is a brilliant acquisition, unlike the ill fated Ramos situation. He's not tied to another club so no compensation needed and no doubt Levy has negotiated a good (cheap) exist strategy should things go wrong...

Brilliant signing if it happens. People forget how intelligent he is. He was Jose's trusted sidekick for many years. WHat he did at chelsea is best forgotten, theyre a different club to others, a club where the owner has close relationships with the players. That doesnt happen at other clubs.

If Modric wants to leave then he should,I dont think Spurs will suffer, and I look forward to what AVB can do in charge.

ossie ardiles:mk2..we score 3, you'll score 4

don't do it danny boy

wouldn't say he was his side kick,was not on coaching staff at chelsea,he was the opposition scout and no i am not knocking him as he did a very decent job at it.

sj
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wouldn't say he was his side kick,was not on coaching staff at chelsea,he was the opposition scout and no i am not knocking him as he did a very decent job at it.
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He was exactly that, he did the deep homework for Jose, the true tactical research. Jose and him fell out when AVB decided he wanted to go alone, and what he did for Porto was amazing.

We had coaches like Joe Jordan, in the past Chris Houghton. I'd happily take a tactical, intelligent genius any day.

I couldn't ask for a better manager to come on board (given all the variables)and if it pays off this is the time Spurs will move forward.

If it doesnt work, I suspect AVB will be gone in 7 or so months with a small pay off.

Harry did a great job....But he was never the man to take us that next step forward. AVB represents an ambitious young winner.

Take his ill fated chelsea stint out of things....and this is potentially the signing of the season (if it happens that is)

Why would you "take his ill fated Chelsea stint out of things"?

It's just as relevant as his success at Porto.  I felt a bit sorry for he way he seemed to be treated at Chelsea, but ultimately his man management - the single most important trait in successful managers - was found wanting.

He may be a success, but it's a big risk.

allinR1

as you say he was great at the job,i listened to him many a time and he was very interesting,but sadly his man management skills are dire.

He could have got away with  that many years back,but now if players dont like a manager they are fooked

I've watched Modric live plenty of times and on the TV too. I have long held the view that he is the most over-rated player in the divison. He is a good player, don't get me wrong. But he isn't this world-beater, I just don't know where it comes from.

He often goes missing in games against big sides, especially away from home. Against poor sides or weak midfields, he can dominate. He doesn't score many and gets very few assists. Contrast that with the likes of Pirlo and Xavi, these players get lots of assists. And then he isn't particularly good defensively either. He recylces possession and moves the ball forwards well. IMO, that on its own ain't worth mega millions. We probably won't find a direct replacement for him, but I would sooner have Bale, Adebayor or VdV in the squad than Modric, because these players actualy provide tangible worth.

(And before anyone is tempted, don't give me some pseudo-intellectual balls about Match of the Day players).

I'm glad we didn't sell to Chelsea, just because it's Chelsea. But the £40m on offer was an incredible price, way over the top.

dza hits the nail on the head.

A good player ofcourse but he certainly has a few weaknesses.

Great players dont have weaknesses.

berto77
28 Jun 12 17:45 Joined: 21 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 5,654 | Blogger: berto77's blog
Why would you "take his ill fated Chelsea stint out of things"?

Berto if you'd read my post before, you'd have seen that it is my opinion that at Chelsea they have a different set-up to any other team, in that the chairman has a personal relationship with many of the senior players ( JT, Frankpard etc), and so he was undermined there. At no other team would this have happened.


sj
28 Jun 12 17:45 Joined: 16 Nov 02 | Topic/replies: 11,893 | Blogger: sj's blog
allinR1

as you say he was great at the job,i listened to him many a time and he was very interesting,but sadly his man management skills are dire.

He could have got away with  that many years back,but now if players dont like a manager they are fooked.

SJ, you say this but how do we know? his man managment skills took porto to win the league unbeaten (or close to it) and looking the winners of the UEFA cup from the start. Lets not forget this is a guy in his early 30's.

Im saying he's perfect, but i think theres potential for huge success, and valid excuses for his failures. He is tatically very astute,and very intelligent.

Again, he has no current club, and no doubt Levy will negotiate a great exit strategy.

Bit harsh you two, the top level is Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo, he's not that level but he's the tier below.

Bale could reach the top level IMO

True Blackburn, but that's why I feel he is so over-rated. I think most fans and even managers put him in that top level of midfield player (With Xavi, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger). He isn't in their league, imo. He is a good player though and he can be a joy to watch at times, no doubt.

Then again, if Jose wants him, who am I to argue? But then Jose plays Arbeloa as his right-back when he could buy anyone. Sometimes, even the best have blatantly got things wrong!

AllinR1     28 Jun 12 18:58

People forget how intelligent he is. He was Jose's trusted sidekick for many years. WHat he did at chelsea is best forgotten, theyre a different club to others,

That's ok we'll rewrite history

I don't know what cloud cuckoo land you live, but is that the first time you've heard of an interfering chairman, that aside you miss the point entirely the man has no man management skills other than autocracy.

Managed to upset all and sundry and childishly barred players from the Christmas party which put the tin hat on it.

Maybe Joachim Low will soon be available?

FIGJAM
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AllinR1     28 Jun 12 18:58

People forget how intelligent he is. He was Jose's trusted sidekick for many years. WHat he did at chelsea is best forgotten, theyre a different club to others,

That's ok we'll rewrite history

I don't know what cloud cuckoo land you live, but is that the first time you've heard of an interfering chairman, that aside you miss the point entirely the man has no man management skills other than autocracy.

Managed to upset all and sundry and childishly barred players from the Christmas party which put the tin hat on it.

what a load of s*** . How many examples of a team turning on their manager have their been in football? even if there are problems most have the respect to keep it to themselves and in public praise the manager and wish him well on their way.

You don't know why he acted that way? I imagine he was trying to 'manage'a team who obviously decided that they were more powerful.

Seriously...You want to judge a man's skills on a job he held for what 5 months?? walofs. It's football, but this is the real world. I can think of no manager at hi age who has achieved so much. At his age seldom do you find a manager, but he has been successful and is still learning.

Seriously, what planet do people like you come from???

Not cloud cuckoo land,the man was a (expensive) failure who did not use one ounce of common sense, there is no reason why he won't reproduce the same form he showed at Chavski.

6 months down the line feel free to dig up this thread, should we be silly enough to employ him.

Nobody told Roman to pay the £15m or whatever to buyout his contract, nobody told him to spend £50m on torres or the hundreds of millions he has spent (net) on buying crap.

No offence but the only person who seems to have no common sense apart from Roman is you Fig. Daniel Levy is no mug. I have no doubt that if AVB flops, he will be booted out after 6 months with a minimal payout (and no contract to buy out now), I also believe AVB is a class act waiting to happen, be it with spurs or some other club down the line.

Happily bring this thread up whenever you want, just think about that crap ur saying. No doubt your the type of supporter who believes that Redknapp finishing 4th/5th every year was the way forward for the club. He did aq great job, but he was never gonna push us to that next level. AVB is a gamble in a sense, but a smart gamble, and has the potential to do great things.

Im excited by the prospect and hope he succeeds

AllinR1

like i said i am not doubting his knowledge but imo in this day and age the player is king.
He didn't just upset the big boys at chelsea,the fringe players and youngsters were used as cone movers in training sessions.
Now that might have been a one off(at chelsea) but if he hasn't learn't from that experience and treats players the same at WHL it wont be long before he 'loses the dressing room' again

Daniel Levy is no mug.

Smart in the transfer market, not so hot when it's come to appointing managers.  In fact he's certainly appointed some mugs.

berto77
29 Jun 12 08:01 Joined: 21 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 5,692 | Blogger: berto77's blog
Daniel Levy is no mug.

Smart in the transfer market, not so hot when it's come to appointing managers.  In fact he's certainly appointed some mugs.

agreed, but at least this time AVB has great knowledge of English football and speaks English.

LEvy is guilty of making mistakes, I think he's smart enough to have learned from them

Fair point. I basically agree with you that AVB could be an excellent manager but is a bit of a risk.  His man management would worry me but maybe he's learned some lessons and will have a more receptive squad to work with.  Hope he does well for you.

I still think you've all taken 'Arry's achievements for granted though.  You're a hard lot to please

Levy has made some bad appointments, but one thing is for sure--he won't stick with them just to save face. See Jol to Ramos to Redknapp. If the next guy is no good, he'll get the boot and someone else will get a go.

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If we aren't very near the top of the league after the first 5 games our season will have started badly

"People forget how intelligent he is. He was Jose's trusted sidekick for many years. WHat he did at chelsea is best forgotten, theyre a different club to others,"

That doesn't automatically make him anything special though, it's like saying Emile Heskey would become an awesome striker because he worked alongside Michael Owen.

Some people are simply not cut out to be managers and yet are excellent coaches, that could be the case with AVB. Or perhaps he's just not that good full stop and can only win trophies with utterly dominant teams like Porto.

not sure what ur input has added Mcik. He is what 36 years old, has had 3 jobs where in 2 performed above expectations. I think he deserves to be forgiven for his Chelsea stint for reasons ive given. He has only been managing for 3 or so years and already achieved more than most, so yes he has plenty of scope to improve. #How long did Sir Alex take to start being successful??

Your comparison to Heskey/Owen is flawed, its nothing like it. Jost trusted him to gather key facts to help him make his informed decision. It was a choice Jose made and he's certainly no mug. Owen did not choose Heskey

Mcik's input is to curb your enthusiasm. As much as you'd like to forgive/forget his stint at the chavs it was an unmitigated disaster, at the end of which he had pissed off both the team and the management before committing professional suicide with the immature interviews he gave to speed up his dismissal.

He was a sidekick, as much Jose's protege as Igor was Dr Frankenstein's. His high profile owes more to the Russian paying the exorbitant release fee (although he was advised to appoint Hiddink) than anything he's achieved himself.

His record at Porto was played 51, won 45, drew 4, lost 2. That isn't down to exceptional management, that's down to a ridiculously dominant team in a Micky Mouse league. The Micky Mouse epithet applies equally to the Europey League.

AVB's appointment is a big risk and every opponent in the first few games are going to try to pile on the pressure because he has to come up with the goods immediately.

Spurs are taking a massive risk.

If they are not in the top 3 after 5 games,bearing in mind the fixtures they have,the pressure will be on AVB and Levy

Whomever they appoint, they are taking a massive risk. It is still not as great a risk of leaving a proven tactical dunce in charge of our best squad in living memory, but it is a risk nonetheless.

"of" - as - apologies

Jed It would not be a massive risk appointing someone like Moyes,proven in the Prem with a limited budget.

Appointing AVB,a Premiership failure as little as 8 months ago is a massive risk

Hippie if your going to state 'facts' then use like for like comparisons.

2010/11 porto won the league with 84 pts, AVB in charge.
2009/10 3rd with 68 points
2008/2009 1st with 70 points.

last season 1st with 75 points.

His year in charge he did the treble and the only time in history porto have gone unbeaten. You can put it down to it being a 'Mickey mouse league', that is an opinion not a fact.The stats show the  team were far superior under his management.

There no doubting his time at chelsea was a disaster, and he is a risk to an extent, but he is a good risk to take, and we should be enthusiastic out this appointment, and not taking on a 'mr reliable' such as moyes.

And disagree that his profile was down to the fee...it was the nature of his career. He and Jose fell out when AVB decided to go it alone, as Jose knew he was integral. I know who's judgement i'd back out of Jose's and the AVB knockers.

Pitting your wits against other managers in the Portuguese league is a very far cry from doing it against the like of Fergie etc etc

based on your 'facts' we should have interviewed the Dinamo Zagreb manager for the job as well then.

Even Moyes has had his disasters. Finished 17th one season with Everton and getting their lowest ever points total into the bargain, but that gets airbrushed from history--whereas AVB's season with Chelsea must be taken into account.

There are no, risk-free managerial appointments for us. So we may as well focus on the potential upside of any manager that comes in, rather than focus on bad seasons that they have had in the past.

based on your opinions managers like guus hiddink (flopped at Real), hodgson (flopped at Inter), sir Alex (early man utd)...judging by your opinion these lot (to name just a few) should have been thrown on the scrapheap years ago. And none of these had to put up with the strong Abramovic/Senior chelsea players relationship.

Maybe try focus on qualities and not just negatives

What must be taken into account is how he carries himself as a man. he way he went about getting himself sacked was a disgrace.

AllinR1, babble as much as you like but don't put words into my mouth.

and you can continue to point out ridiculous opinions, I think id rather take stats over your judgement anyday. You seemed obsessed with his stint at Chelsea, and are happy to disregard anything else. Maybe try and look at the whole picture.

And no words put in your mouth I was making a judgement based on your opinions in this thread, just as you have made a judgement on AVB's career/ability based soley on his ill fated stint at Chelsea.

you can say all the crap youu like, just don't start crying when someone challenges you.

A familiar betfair forum scene, as Allin flounders among the non-sequiturs, denials of previous arguments, and general cretinousness that comes from entering into debate with hippie.

Who knows what AVB will do at Spurs, to say he failed at Chelsea is nonsense, they were 5th and in both cups when he left. They finished 6th, who knows what would have happened in the cups.

Yep, its a massive risk, listening to some people on here he left Chelsea in 20th after a players revolt

You don't debate ladyboy, you spit barbs. How long before you transform from champion to grand inquisitor this time?

Just about sums you up. your fact less opinions challenged, so throw a strop and change direction.

I suggest stupid little boys shouldn't try to take part in adult conversations.

change your nappy and have a nap.

As for you -

I know when I'm beat and shall slink away.

LB quit france?

Looks like he has left.
I am mounting a watch at Tottenham Airport.

ANDRE VILLAS-BOAS will lose nearly £11million when he is named Tottenham’s new manager next week.

The Portuguese coach, 34, did not receive a lump sum pay-off when he was fired by Chelsea last March just eight months into a three-year contract.

Instead, the Blues agreed to keep paying his £100,000-a-week salary until he got another job.

He has so far received three months of payments up to the start of July.

But if he takes the White Hart Lane post, Chelsea supremo Roman Abramovich will turn off the cash tap and AVB will miss out on another 25 months — worth £10.8m.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4402766/Andre-Villas-Boas-will-take-an-11m-hit-to-become-Spurs-boss.html

Either every word of that is a lie or the man is an egomaniac

I think that, over the years, The Sun have proven themselves as a reliable source of information.

It takes up the whole of their back page.

If it's not true then some sort of action should be taken against them.

He can't really afford to sit around for another 25mths after the Chelsea debacle, he has to get straight back on the bike and hope not to crash it again.

I think that, over the years, The Sun have proven themselves as a reliable source of information.

They can't tap phones anymore

well exactly. he's not gonna sit around counting his money for 2 years before taking another job if he gets a good offer

I know he looks a shoe-in for the job but something still isn't sitting right with me; I'm expecting a twist in this saga

Assuming there's a smidgen of truth in that story why risk a guaranteed income when you've got a young family?

If he got sacked in October he'll lose something like a guaranteed £8m over the next 2 years.

Because he is confident in his own ability?

He must be worth a good few million already. I don't think it's surprising at all.

If the pay-off situation is true, then it pretty sums up what kind of a man AVB is. Instead of sulking and getting paid a fortune, go out there and prove you worth.

Sounds like a rare winners/fighters mentality.

Yes if this is true it's good news for Spurs, essentially he's taking a massive pay cut to join

As I say on the Spurs files he has to hit the ground running as even some Spurs fans want him to fail

^or if the geezer just sits around after what happened at chelsea,he knows his stock will fall even more and lets be honest he will probably earn a decent amount at WHL.

If I'm not mistaken, Blanc could not have spoken to Spurs before today, the day his contract expired. I don't think it is a coincidence that AVB hasn't been named yet and it has also been quoted that Levy intends to speak to several candidates before making a decision. Whilst I'm resigned to AVB coming there is nothing that has happened yet that has 'totally' convinced me it is actually true. He is the only one who has been confirmed as having an interview but if Blanc is/was in the frame then only from today could that happen... I'm still a layer/trader on the market, whilst praying AVB is not selected as I see him as no more than a gamble.

Jul 1, 2012 -- 10:39AM, Aspro wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, Blanc could not have spoken to Spurs before today, the day his contract expired. I don't think it is a coincidence that AVB hasn't been named yet and it has also been quoted that Levy intends to speak to several candidates before making a decision. Whilst I'm resigned to AVB coming there is nothing that has happened yet that has 'totally' convinced me it is actually true. He is the only one who has been confirmed as having an interview but if Blanc is/was in the frame then only from today could that happen... I'm still a layer/trader on the market, whilst praying AVB is not selected as I see him as no more than a gamble.

AvB could not be named before today because of the terms of the restrictive covenant in his contract with Chelsea.  Expect the announcement to happen today or Monday.

I should have added that it would be very bad news indeed to be carrying a red on AvB but atm thee is still money there to allow a reverse.

Opinion or inside info Shirley?

Put it this way, I have this on auto refresh http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/latest-news.page

Not sure what you mean. I think it will be AVB but I don't know, that's the difference

Not red on AVB, greened up a week ago and just playing with what I have but I am low on AVB over the others

Me too

He's already a multi-millionaire. By all accounts, he lives and breathes football. If the right job (in his eyes) came up, I don't think he would worry about money from Chelsea. Spurs aren't exactly going to offer him £250 a week, I'm sure his kids future will be secure!